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Falklands: World Chess Federation rejects using the game for political purposes

Friday, June 7th 2019 - 09:48 UTC
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The Argentine Chess Federation’s attempt to get legal recognition of their secret tournaments, held in the Falklands, have been denied. This was expressed in a statement from FIDE, the World Chess Federation, which also urged all federations to refrain from using chess tournaments for political purposes. Read full article

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  • Think

    ***“World Chess Federation rejects using the game for political purposes”***... huhhh...?

    Somebody should have tell that to Bobby and Boris... ;-)))

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1972

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    It failed in the same way that Argentine claims of sovereignty are doomed to failure. You cannot benefit from your own wrongdoing.
    https://www.bennettjones.com/-/media/Files/.../In-Pari-Delicto-and-Ex-Turpi-Causa.as...

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Roger Lorton

    Clearly, they are just misunderstood. Flying all the way to sit in a hotel room playing chess.... why would that be political? It was probably raining.....

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Indeed it was..., copper...
    (Raining..., that is...)

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Islander1

    Think- That Chess match in Iceland was indeed an international-m played in a neutral 3rd country as at the time USA and USSR were not really speaking to each other . Thus keeping Sport out of Politics. If one side or the other then triumphed about it- that life- but the actual sport event was done in a non-political way.
    A concept Argentina always fails to understand and then get surprised when they get international condemnation- hell even the N and S Koreans understand it!

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Terence Hill

    My error this is the correct citation
    https://environment.probeinternational.org/chapter-2-so-not-harm-another/

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. Timlander1

    You write nice, empty words..., Mr. Timlander1...
    Like...:
    ***“Keeping Sport out of Politics.”***
    Or...
    ***“ Sport event done in a non-political way.”***... huhhhhhh...?

    All that...,coming from an inhabitant of a British Overseas Territory..., that every second year uses some 5-10 % of their annual budget to ship about 2-3% of their adult population to the other side of the world to show their (political) flag at the IIGA Games...???

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Pipino

    I suppose we should be glad that “I Never Think” doesn't pin the blame on https://www.morrisfed.org.uk/

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Don Alberto

    “Argentine players convened in the Islands between September 2018 and March 2019”

    Using the grieving families of the newly identified Argentine soldiers as a cover?

    I am sure the families will be happy to learn 'No More Mister Nice Guy' = no more visits to the graves, if the FI administration gets plssed off.

    Considering the esteem Falkland War veterans are enjoying in Argentina, the members of the board of The Argentine Chess Federation are well advised to search the internet for advice on how to remove tar and feathers.

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Islander1

    Think,
    The Islands compete in the friendly international “small islands games” that we are a member of - and we compete in the Commonwealth Games again as a Member of the Commonwealth.Hence the team parades with the legitimate Falklands Flag same as any other member.
    Easy to play % with such a small population- meaningless! Actually a lot of the cost is raised privately and donated by private business.
    We do things OPENLY - not secretive and hiding and telling your accomodation hosts porkies.

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Mr. Timlander1...

    Exactly..., you compete in the friendly international “Small Islands Games” and you compete in the Commonwealth Games . Hence your team parades with your Flag..., making poliics same as any other member.

    Stop pretending..., Chay...
    Sports and competions of any kind have ALWAYS been poliics...
    They are like ebony and ivory that live together in perfect harmony
    Side by side on out piano keyboard..., oh Lord, why don't we?

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Roger Lorton

    Politics? Coming from an Argie? People in Pink Houses shouldn't .........

    Jun 07th, 2019 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Islander1

    Think- Countries attending International Sporting even - as I described, are not engaging
    in politics - thy are just showing who they are and where they come from and represent - exactly as Argentina rightly does at the Olympics- or when both team National Anthems are played before a football match for example.
    Very different from what Argentina tries to do every chance it gets as regards the Falklands - like the banner produced by the team on the pitch at a pre World Cup match- that earned Arg a rebuke from the organisers and a warning of action if repeated.
    That pathetic video secretly made showing a marathon runner pretending training for the Olympics by running in Stanley and insulting war dead by doing leg-ups on a war memorial-got you all public rebukes from many Commonwealth countries
    And now the chess farce- Argentines insult us even further by using the name for Port Stanley that their military dictatorship chose! Thought you lot did not like your military Dictatorship any more?
    Yes- the name that was one of various things agreed with UK and FI back in 1999 that was to be dropped and removed from Arg maps as part of the 1999 Communications Agreement - as usual Argentina broke its word and failed to do so!

    Your Govt and many of your people clearly have no idea at all of how to even try to encourage us Islanders to even start to think well maybe you are not such a bad lot and we can maybe start to be friends!
    Instead they achieve 100% the opposite effect every time.

    Nevertheless as individuals I respect your general position and happy to dialogue with you- and openly admit we share some camp similarities in traditions and culture across the water between us.

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. Timlander1...
    First things first...:
    Countries attending International Sporting Events as you describe, are UNMISTAKABLY engaging in POLITICS...
    But don't take my word for it... The mighty Wkipedia has this to say about the originator of all modern International Sporting Events..., the ANCIENT OLYMPIC GAMES...:
    - ***“During the celebration of the Olympics..., a POLITICAL Olympic Truce was enacted....
    The games became a POLITICAL TOOL used by city-states to assert dominance over their rivals...
    POLITICANS would announce POLITICAL alliances at the games, and in times of war, priests would offer sacrifices to the gods for victory...
    The games were also used to help spread Hellenistic culture throughout the Mediterranean...”***
    ERGO..., SPORTS WERE..., ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE POLITICS..., POLITCS AND MORE POLITICS... Any “spin” trying to sell it otherwise is just........... “spin”...

    Now to the part were you say that the Argentinean Chess Federation has been...: ***“Secretive and hiding and telling their accomodation hosts porkies”***
    - I call your attention to the Tournament Official Poster that clearly states the scope and placing of the venue...:
    ***“ TORNEO OFICIAL ELO/FIDE VALIDO PARA EL RANKING MUNDIAL ”***
    ***“ LAFONT HOUSE - PUERTO ARGENTINO - CALLE ROSS ROAD EAST 975 ”***
    https://www.thebubble.com/chess-tournament-malvinas-prompted-a-response-from-uk-foreign-secretary/
    Soooooooooo much for “secrecy”...huhhhh...???

    In respect of the final lines of your above comment...
    IDEM..................................., but don't try to sweettalk me..., my dear Patagonian mate...
    __________________________________________________________________________________________

    Mr. Roger Lorton
    You say...:
    ***“Politics........... People in Pink Houses shouldn't ...”***
    I say...:
    Chippy...

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • bushpilot

    1) Host country publicizes an international competition, and invites people from other nations to compete in it. They are aware the invited extra-nationals will be flying their flag and national anthems of the winners will be played on the host country's soil.

    2) Host country has not organized an international competition, hasn't invited any extra-nationals to compete in anything, and is unaware that international competition is taking place on their soil. (spanish posters notwithstanding)

    The above two cases are the same.

    Any censuring or discrediting of the latter case would be unfair and should not take place.

    The above thinking is unassailable and FIDE would accept it readily.

    The argument that the Falkland Islands is actually, really already Argentine territory, along with South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, is also so iron-clad that the ICJ has had to accept it numerous times already. FIDE would accept this argument instantaneously also.

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Terence Hill

    bushpilot
    “The argument that the Falkland Islands is actually, really already Argentine territory, along with South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, is also so iron-clad that the ICJ has had to accept it numerous times already.”
    This is an absolute lie, on the contrary.
    There isn't one facet of international law that supports an Argentine claim. Every judgement that has been made concerning such claims supports the UK and every opinion from judges of the ICJ likewise.
    “The Island of Palmas tribunal of the PCA at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest as a mode of acquiring territory when it declared in its decision that:
    “If a dispute arises as to the sovereignty over a portion of territory, it is customary to examine which of the States claiming sovereignty possesses a title—cession conquest, occupation, etc.—superior to that which the other State might possibly bring forward against it.”
    “There is a general principle, in international law jurisprudence, that claims may be extinguished by the passage of time.
    “The principle of extinctive prescription, that is, the bar of claims by lapse of time, is recognized by international law. It has been applied by arbitration tribunals in a number of cases.
    The Gentini case PCA 1903...claims against Venezuela on the part of the Italian government on behalf of an Italian citizen alleging PAYMENT OF A DEBT THAT HAD ACCRUED THIRTY YEARS EARLIER.
    ”A stale claim does not become any less so because it happens to be an international one, and this tribunal, ... cannot escape the obligation of a universally recognized principle simply because there happens to be no code of positive rules by which its action is to be governed.”
    Accordingly, Gentini provides historical evidence that, at least Claims Tribunals under the auspices of the ICJ’s predecessor, the PCA in 1903, identify that the applicability of a prescription period in international law ... (ii) a GENERAL PROPOSITION THAT FINALITY IS

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Islander1

    Think, the owner and manger of the guest House has stated she had no ide what was afoot- it had not been explaine dto here nor her permission asked to use her premises for such an event.
    Nor had it been advertised on any of the Islands based media- radio- tv or newspaper.
    So YES it was 100% politically motivated to be publicised afterwards. A political event to try and make a bit of propaganda to boost the Arg Sovereignty claim- but it backfired on them.

    O K if you like I will agree that events like the Olympics etc are a bit political in the way all countries parade their flags- but all participating countries do it equally - and openly. I assume your Argentine team fell just as proud walking in behind their flag as do any other nation,s team? And right that those winning medals have their flags hoisted over them on the rostrom - that is right- it shows who they are and where they are from and gives them and the nations they are from something to be proud of - winning fairly in sport - openly.

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Roger Lorton

    “The argument that the Falkland Islands is actually, really already Argentine territory, along with South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, is also so iron-clad that the ICJ has had to accept it numerous times already. ”

    Love to see a link or reference to that Bushpilot. If you can ;-)

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • bushpilot

    TH,
    I agree with you on this one. I was listening to some ridiculous arguments and thought I'd throw something ridiculous out there myself. The Argentine claims and the invasion, to me, are acts of conquest and thievery.

    Look up this license plate number online, “H982 FKL”. See how Argentines react to political stunts being pulled on their soil.

    Jun 08th, 2019 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    bushpilot
    “See how Argentines react to political stunts being pulled on their soil.” Is another rubbish claim by you.
    Well the number-plate is the old sequence : H982 FKL
    H is the old year code, H meaning the car was first registered in 1991
    FKL - Is the area code, FKL is maidstone in Kent.
    982 - Is the sequence, so this is the 982nd car to be registered in the maidstone area in 1991
    http://www.reddit.com/r/TopGear/comments/2i5q86/h982_fkl_update_top_gear_crew_denied_permission/

    Jun 09th, 2019 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. Timlander1

    Of course those chess games were political..., everything in our social lifes is intrinsically related to politics..., that has been my point all the way...

    Let's cut the crap about them poor, naive Islanders fooled by them malign & devious Argentinean chess players tortuous gambits...
    (One would Think that controlling such satanic minions would be a job for at least one of the many intelligence personnel in your Engrish Embassy at Buenos Ayres...)
    The important things..., from me Patagonian Penny Pinching point of view are...:
    1) Did they pay all their dues to Arlette...?
    2) Did thei cancel their already booked 2020 reservation...?
    3) Is it now forbidden for us Argies to play chess in Malvinas...? What about checkers...?
    4) ;-)

    Jun 09th, 2019 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • :o))

    Can't anyone have some fun at the cost of The Argies?

    Jun 12th, 2019 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Don Alberto

    “Love to see a link or reference to that Bushpilot.”

    Mon cher Roger, right here, old chap:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBg9p0cS48U

    :-E (Goofy smile)

    Jun 13th, 2019 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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