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Brazil's largest private company, Odebrecht, files for bankruptcy; US$ 20bn in debts
Scandal-ridden Brazil construction giant Odebrecht, which has admitted to spending nearly US$ 800 million to bribe officials across Latin America to win contracts, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday, judicial sources said. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesREF: “Odebrecht, files for bankruptcy; US$ 20bn in debts”:
Jun 18th, 2019 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- So NO need to pay anybody; ANYTHING!
- NOW; the Super-Minister expects the masses to pay!
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jKMXIV_KDlY/VvmuXRtQEJI/AAAAAAAApGE/S946q203q_c_UCSMzN0ABd8FDUWCHF_qQ/s640/alpino%2Bodebrecht.jpg
And of course, of the US$ 800 million paid out in bribes to tons of politicians (mostly in Brazil), none of it ended up in Lula's pocket....how do we know ?
Jun 18th, 2019 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because he said so, and because 'he knows nothing'.....poor toad.
@Jack Bauer
Jun 19th, 2019 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: US$ 800 million paid out in bribes
That's why I FIRMLY believe that Once a politician; ALWAYS a crook [and vice versa]!
The figure [$800M] is a watered-down version of the actual figure! The Total Stolen Wealth for the last fifty or so years by the 2'000 or so politicians could easily reach well beyond trillions and unchecked; will continue to go on increasing! Pl. make YOUR OWN Calculation:
https://jornalorebate.com.br/13810-matematicamente-insustentavel#
So at this rate, by ANY kind of Economic Reforms, the State/Fed-Income can NEVER exceed the 'expenditure'! The Economic-Crisis may only seem to vanish by an Elusive, Cosmetic+Superficial Ineffective Modifications!
Realistically speaking; Believe it or NOT:
- the crisis is here to stay
- the standard of living will dwindle
- the quality of life will worsen
- the cost of living will sky-rocket [or at least take-off]
You're a real ray of light, :o)), always cheering us up with your boundless optimism...
Jun 19th, 2019 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@DemonTree
Jun 19th, 2019 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “always cheering us up with your boundless optimism”:
The credit actually goes to the politicians! [I mean that the DEBIT is already in the RED; by the way]:
https://vasosdopurus.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/charge.jpg?w=705
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 19th, 2019 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And of course ...”, most importantly, he(Sérgio Moro) was accused of sabotaging the economy by paralyzing Brazil’s largest construction companies in 2015 instead of treating them as too big to fail, in a move which caused an immediate 500,000 layoffs in the construction sector and, according a study cited by BBC, a 2.5% drop in the GDP. This was all publicly available information at the time that Lula was arrested, but none of it made it up into the commercial Anglo media.
http://www.brasilwire.com/bad-neighbor-a-us-hand-behind-the-sergio-moro-show/
@Terence Hill
Jun 20th, 2019 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “sabotaging the economy”:
Do you mean the latest fashion - the current trend?
https://asmetro.org.br/portalsn/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Prensa-no-Congresso.jpg
@DT
Jun 20th, 2019 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you see Gollum's hilarious comment ”...most importantly, he(Sérgio Moro) was accused of sabotaging the economy by paralyzing Brazil’s largest construction companies in 2015...blah, blah, blah“ ?
”Most importantly” ??? LOL.....Only a twisted mind can conclude something as absurd, that the consequences of Odebrecht (and other construction companies) stealing billions for themselves and others (foreign officials, local politicians, State-run Co employees) is not their fault, and that Moro is to blame for the recession.
And 500,000 lay-offs ? what about the other 13,5 millions jobs lost in other sectors in 2014/15, while Dilma was still president ? and the Toad was still running around, free ?
Yeah, all Moro's fault.
Think Gollum's living in a leaky, moldy basement may be affecting his brain, or what's left of it.
Well, I suppose that if every well-intentioned prosecutor and judge in this country, had decided to turn a blind eye to all the corruption - confessed a hundred times over by dozens of executives, now in jail, and who gave back hundreds of millions - Brazil would be happily sailing along, with the PT still in charge and the people (the poor, well understood) getting shafted on a daily basis, and still thanking those who are screwing them....
Only an idiot like Gollum to try to pass that off as credible ....fighting coruption lead to Brazil's crisis / recession.
Don't know why he doesn't send an article on his brilliant conclusion - which deserves a Pulitzer Prize - to Brasilwire, or to his darling, Greenwald, to be published.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 20th, 2019 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”(Sérgio Moro) was accused of sabotaging the economy “Yeah this is what it cost.
The GDP figure in 2015 was $1,800,030 million, leaving Brazil placed 9th in the ranking of GDP
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=brazil%27s+GDP+in+2015&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
$1,800,030 million divided by $2.5% equals $720,012,000,000
”if every well-intentioned prosecutor and judge in this country” Seems like an oxymoron. In a properly operating legal system, the highest court would go into overdrive to correct an obvious wrong. But, if the taint of corruption is that pervasive then it's no surprise that it's not going too.
@Jack Bauer
Jun 21st, 2019 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “if every well-intentioned prosecutor+judge in this country, had decided to turn a blind eye to all the corruption”
The mistakes in the print:
- if: shouldn't it be 'when'?
- well-intentioned prosecutor+judge: sounds too fictitious
- turn a blind eye to all the corruption: a historical fact
http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/charges/AUTO_vasqs.jpg
Gollum, losing it in his ma's basement.
Jun 21st, 2019 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”(Sérgio Moro) was accused of sabotaging the economy “Yeah this is what it cost“.
Yeah, accused by whom ? a shitty left-wing journalist called Brian Mier, from a shitty left-wing site called 'brasilwire'....yeah, Moro's only intention was to ”sabotage” the economy. Lula's crime org had nothing to do with it....
Just fyi asshole, the economy was already splitting at the seams before the Lavajato was even announced....in March 2014. But of course, you, from your smelly, damp basement in Canada, know it was all Moro's fault.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 21st, 2019 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It was all Moro's fault.” He clearly cost the economy $720,012,000,000
Who said that what Moro was doing was wrong?
The judge in this case had clearly indicated the eventual verdict of the trial.
Not only must a judge be free of bias he must avoid even the appearance of bias. I cannot imagine any common law jurisdiction entertaining such wrongful behavior, it clearly violates the right to a fair trial.
“If a judge is biased or prejudiced for or against a party or attorney, he cannot be fair and impartial in deciding the case. A party or attorney who believes such bias or prejudice exists must prove it with admissible evidence, ... bias or prejudice typically means the judge has acted or spoken in a way that prevents him or her from treating the party or attorney in a fair and impartial manner.”
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/well-recuse-me-when-a-judge-shouldnt-try-a-case.html
Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/well-recuse-me-when-a-judge-shouldnt-try-a-case.html
Funny! That's exactly what I suspected:
Jun 21st, 2019 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://twitter.com/folha/status/1142014296311783424
You can attack me all you want with petty insults,” he(GLENN GREENWALD) tweeted. “You can attack The Intercept. You can insult David Miranda. Nothing will change what Sergio Moro, Deltan Dallagnol and Lava Jato have done. This evidence of mass wrongdoings will never disappear. It’s just the beginning.”
Jun 23rd, 2019 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0BRAZILIAN MAINSTREAM MEDIA
Historically supported Moro and championed the work he has done to combat corruption
ESTADÃO published an opinion column calling for Moro’s resignation.
FOLHA reported that the Lava Jato revelations increased the strain on Moro and compromised his chances of being appointed to the Supreme Federal Court.
GLOBO published an opinion column recommending that Moro step down. However, it published another claiming the existence of an “open campaign against Operation Car Wash.” “The Intercept doesn’t conduct journalism. It is pure activism,” read the column.
GAZETA DO POVO published an opinion column labelling Moro and Dallagnol as “victims of hackers.”
VEJA magazine published with a cover claiming the recordings threatened to deconstruct Moro’s “Lava Jato hero” image.
EXAME magazine published an opinion blog titled, “After message exchange with Dallagnol, Moro needs to resign.
https://latinamericareports.com/reactions-to-the-intercepts-operation-car-wash-exposes/2460/
@:o))
Jun 23rd, 2019 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You suspected right. To believe that Congress would cut its own priviliges is tantamout to believing Gollum's crap. Have you noticed how selective he is ? He only believes what favors the lefties. But, all a storm in a teacup.
“For, as was the proverbial case of Caesar's wife, people in certain positions must not only be above suspicion, they must also seem to be above suspicion. Judge Moro and Prosecutor Dallagnol no longer fall into the ”above suspicion“ category.”
Jun 23rd, 2019 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/opinion-editorial/lava-jato-chronicle-of-a-death-foretold/
“...no longer fall into the ”above suspicion“ category.” ... no longer ? so in your expert opinion, before your buddy Greenwald's leaks, they did ?
Jun 23rd, 2019 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When will you realize you are full of it....Gollum...
Oh dear their criminal acts are now revealed to all the world.
Jun 23rd, 2019 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New Lava-Jato Leak: While Mocking Lula's Testimony, Moro was Instructing the Prosecution
President Lula gained new queries with further leaks reported by The Intercept Brasil, on Friday night, June 14th.
While presiding at the trial, Moro mocked the defendant, Lula, In a private chat and, simultaneously, urged Lava Jato to file an official note against the former president's defense.
https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national-politics/new-lava-jato-leak-while-mocking-lula-moro-was-instructing-the-prosecution/
@Jack Bauer / @Terence Hill
Jun 24th, 2019 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0My Legal-Knowledge is less than zero but normally in any court trial, the defending advocate argues against a public prosecutor and a judge just decides who is right or wrong after hearing the arguments, witnesses and after studying the proofs presented by both the advocates. Whereas in this case, the judge directly interviews the accused. I wonder if this was “NORMAL”!
REF: The Hacked Messages & The Leak
There's a lot of noise but the accused are not tried yet! It also appears that some “Unfair Activities/Treatment” may have taken place on purpose:
http://www.esmaelmorais.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/moro_seletividade.jpg
@:o))
Jun 24th, 2019 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” Whereas in this case, the judge directly interviews the accused. I wonder if this was “NORMAL”!
IF it weren't normal procedure (in Brazil), do you think it would have been (so flagrantly) used in ALL cases, or that the lawyers of all the defendants would have allowed it / not complained ? No one complained because the procedure is correct.
But let's go into more detail : It is not the judge's role to look for evidence /proof ; along with the prosecutors, he simply questions those who opt for plea-bargains, which in turn might offer / furnish clues for the prosecutors to follow up on ; if the clues turn up evidence, it'll be examined, and when/if they feel they have a solid case, the prosecution present its findings to the judge, who can accept, or reject the accusations. If he accepts them, he will then question the defendant, based on the evidence presented by the prosecutors, and after listening to both sides - defense as well - he will decide, based on the evidence and on the 'law' (not personal likes /dislikes), whether any crimes were committed, and if the evidence is sufficient to convict or not...if convicted, each crime carries its own sentence, the sum of which will reflect the total jail time.
Appeals go to the 2nd lower court, that re-examines the evidence 'n can either confirm the conviction, or overturn it, 'n even modify the sentence. In the next two (high) courts, STJ, STF, the proof is no longer examined, they should only rule on HC's based on whether legal procedure was followed correctly.
Have any of Greenwald's /Intercept's leaks been authenticated ? NO. Have any of the accusations been proved ? NO.
So, just more left-wing whining 'n fake news to throw shit in the fan, which they cannot prove - nor intend to, because they can't - but if it contributes to undermining the vote on the pension reform, and creates unfounded doubts regarding Lula's conviction, that is what matters. The left's tactics are painfully clear.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 24th, 2019 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Have any of Greenwald's /Intercept's leaks been authenticated”. Apparently sufficiently to satisfy his publishing partners. Which of course will verify the defence's contention that it is part of a larger conspiracy initiated by the US.
@JB
Jun 25th, 2019 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: No one complained because the procedure is correct
While I don't support/promote ANY Corrupt, Brazil specializes in facilitating the cooks + buying politicians is common! Since that happens as a normal practice, anything can go! Do you really believe that the judges are totally immune to being bought/sold? Once that happens, any law can be interpreted as ordered by a payee!
REF: “based on the evidence ...............................................................the total jail time”:
At least THAT hasn't happened so far wrt The Leaks + Hacking! The Involved Politicians are defensive instead of arresting the criminals! Is that a normal practice too?
Gollum
Jun 25th, 2019 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me : “Have any of Greenwald's /Intercept's leaks been authenticated”. You : “Apparently sufficiently to satisfy his publishing partners”....apparently “sufficiently” ? that's nice....like saying a girl is more or less pregnant....either she is or she isn't....dimwit.
As far as his publishing partner goes, leftist Folha de SP is concerned with the lack of authenticity, exact reason why the “Estadão” refused to publish anything without GG sharing the source with them...dimwit.
But to you Gollum, that is unimportant, isn't it, slimy head ?
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 25th, 2019 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have any of Greenwald's /Intercept's leaks been authenticated”
He's addressing the Congress right now on the issue, as we have their stream on. While the Supreme Court is rehearing a petition of habeas corpus right now.
What is much more important: is the fact, the truth + the supporting concrete proofs.
Jun 26th, 2019 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, the Culprits+Corrupt can lean heavily on the legality, laws + justifications/interpretation of the laws + verdict; to find a convenient escape route - OBVIOUSLY!
As an EXAMPLE [+ to change the subject]:
http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//clayton.jpg
Moro v. Congress = 10 x 0
Jun 26th, 2019 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The STF ruled on, and denied his HC....for the 'n'th time. Stale news Gollum.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 26th, 2019 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fully predicted it, just confirms how far the taint of corruption permeates the legal system.
“Those messages raise serious doubts about Moro's impartiality as he presided over Lula's trial. The messages showed him coaching prosecutors on the timing of raids and arrests, asking them to publish press releases to criticize Lula's defense and sending investigative tips while he was legally obliged to remain impartial.
Moro at first said the leaked messages showed no wrongdoing. As The Intercept published more stories, he changed tactics to say he could not verify if the notes were authentic and that he could not recall whether he had sent them.” Pleading the fifth.
Not to worry Moro will deliver the answer after another of his many secret trips to the US.
Gollum, the slimy basement dweller
Jun 26th, 2019 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You fully predicted it ? LOl, LOL.....But I thgought you were an ardent defender of correct legal procedure....... yet you believe Moro should be locked away for a very long time, based on the PT's allegation that in 2017, when Lula was convicted (for the first time), by Moro), that Moro knew that one and a half years later he would become Justice Minister (at the time he didn't even know Bolsonaro) and, that all the unauthenticated crap produced by the Intercept, proves anything but its criminal intention to accuse without proof....what “proof” is there of wrongdoing ? ZERO...even you Gollum, should know that.
What a contraDICKtory little slime ball you are.....
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 26th, 2019 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I thgought(sic) you were an ardent defender of correct legal procedure.
I am, when they are.
“What a contra...”
If I wanted shit out of you I'd squeeze your head.
@Terence Hill
Jun 27th, 2019 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “just confirms how far the taint of corruption permeates the legal system”:
ONLY the Legal-System? NOT True AT ALL!
But in ANY case, not all THAT corrupt after all - just the “Usual Stuff” and that too if it is legally permitted AND only if acceptable to the country of the retarded:
http://www.chargeonline.com.br/semana/2019/sinovaldo160619.jpg
@:o))
Jun 27th, 2019 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you really believe that the judges are totally immune to being bought/sold?”
Of course not....look at Lewandowski and Gilmar Mendes in the STF....not to mention Toffoli...and then, Rogerio Favreto (a rabid 'petista' and a very close friend of Lula's), who in July 2018 actually signed Lula's release, when he was only the “reserve” judge in the TRF-4.....there's big money exchanging hands.
“Once that happens, any law can be interpreted as ordered by a payee!”
Not exactly....IF the law has a loophole that gives the judge leeway to decide one way or the other, yes....but not when the Law is clear and defined, not subject to “interpretation”.
CCJ of Senate approves bill against abuse of authority practiced by judge and prosecutor
Jun 27th, 2019 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Text approved by the commission also typifies the crime of electoral box 2 and classifies corruption as a heinous crime. Voting in the Senate floor may still be on Wednesday.
By Sara Resende, TV Globo - Brasilia
CCJ of Senate approves bill against abuse of authority practiced by judge and prosecutor
Text approved by the commission also typifies the crime of electoral box 2 and classifies corruption as a heinous crime. Voting in the Senate floor may still be on Wednesday.
By Sara Resende, TV Globo - Brasilia
The bill aims to combat situations where the judge or prosecutor benefits himself or another person, harms someone, and by “whim” or “personal satisfaction,” directs a process.
By the text, the magistrate will incur abuse of authority if:
render judgment when prevented by law;
act with “evident” political motivation;
expose his opinion, by any means of communication, in the middle of the process, commanded by him or another magistrate.
https://g1.globo.com/df/distrito-federal/noticia/2019/06/26/justica-do-df-autoriza-senador-em-prisao-domiciliar-a-passar-ferias-no-caribe.ghtml
@Jack Bauer
Jun 27th, 2019 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: IF the law has a loophole that gives the judge leeway to decide one way or the other, yes
When the laws are made BY the crooks & FOR the crooks; obviously, the loopholes are left on purpose! Hence a law without ANY loophole would be rare - if not an extremely rare case. That gives plenty of room for different interpretations by different judges [awailable for a generous price?].
Don't you believe? REF: “look at Lewandowski + Gilmar in the STF - not to mention Toffoli & then, Rogerio Favreto”
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