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Argentine political scenario prepares for the October presidential election

Wednesday, June 19th 2019 - 09:59 UTC
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Argentine politician Sergio Massa, who recently pledged his support to the main opposition challengers to President Mauricio Macri, is in line to play a key role in the country's Congress if his new allies win national elections later this year. Read full article

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  • Little J

    Massa = perfect turn coat.

    Jun 19th, 2019 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    LJ

    I understand your frustration. If Massa had run for president as in the 2015 election, he could have subtracted vital votes to the Fernández - Fernández ticket, perhaps allowing Macri to win another election.

    The return of Massa to the fold was a key point for the new FF's new Frente de Todos and will make even more possible to kick out a gang of highway robbers who have indebted the country for the next 100 years...in just three years and with nothing to show for the money they borrowed in the name if the Argentines.

    Jun 19th, 2019 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    @Little J / @Enrique Massot

    REF: Argentina elections 2019

    It gets more & more entertaining:
    From: WiKipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopes_Die_Last

    Jun 20th, 2019 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Little J

    Enrique
    Believe you must have your dates wrong. You say .....“if Massa had run for the 2.015 elections he could have subtracted vital votes to the Fernandez-Fernandez ticket” As far as I'm aware this ticket is running for the 2.019 elections, Massa and Alberto Fernandez being pretty well at logger-heads around 2.015, with CFK and her followers.

    Also you say “.....will make even more possible to kick out a gang of highway robbers............” but you fail to add “......and allow the most corrupt government to ever govern Argentina in the country's history to return to power so that they can blunder again to their heart's content as they did during their previous terms in office”.

    Most likely with total and absolute inmunity if they manage to enact laws benefiting themselves in the process, to the extent of excluding them from any legal procedures against them for their past actions. An intention which has been publicly made by various of them, should they succeed in being elected.

    Let's hope that history does'nt repeat itself.....................

    Jun 20th, 2019 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
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    @Little J

    Enrique Massot has mentioned a historical fact while you seem to be more concerned about the “dates”:

    “A gang of highway robbers who have indebted the country for the next 100 years”

    Obviously, the masses would NEVER like to leave such valuable traditions and cultural heritage!

    Jun 21st, 2019 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Little J

    :o))

    Believe that the dates are not only historical but also accurate. Therefore I stand by what I have previously written.

    As to your remarks “a gang of highway robbers have indebted the country for the next 100 years”.

    I suggest that this comment shld refer first and foremost to CFK and the other
    of her government as if anybody robbed the country over a period of 12 years, it was them without a shadow of doubt.

    Jun 22nd, 2019 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Enrique Massot

    LJ
    You are absolutely right about the dates, it was a careless mistake of mine.

    Now, about which government (CFK or Macri) has been corrupt, doesn’t strike you as odd that, in spite of the media circus, there hasn’t been a single verdict against CFK yet?

    Many mention the number of trials on the go, but the one on the Irán agreement will never secure a conviction, first because it was voted by Congress, and secondly because it never went into effect.

    The dollar futures is another cause with no future (pun intended).

    I know Clarín has run a few front-page stories that later revealed entirely cooked up, but you should find more reliable information than that. Clarín has shed its credibility in its haste to undermine CFK.

    In the other hand: how you’d explain the FF ticket increasing support levels?

    To say, as you might, that the masses are ignorant or stupid and cry about the good old times when only property owners had the right to vote won’t cut it.

    There’s much more to this topic but I’ll leave you with these questions for now.

    Jun 23rd, 2019 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Little J / @Enrique Massot

    In the meanwhile, there is a very small price to pay:
    https://www.lifegate.com/people/news/the-human-cost-of-agrotoxins-glyphosate

    Jun 24th, 2019 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Little J

    Enrique Masssot

    We're all more than aware that the law courts in Argentina are notoriously slow. This is just a fact and affects all of us who for one reason or another have (or have had) dealings with them at given time.

    What cannot be ignored are:

    - the bags thrown in to the Monestary by Jose Lopez containing something like u$s9.000.000 of “political origin ” in accordance with his declaration.
    -the safe deposit in a bank in the name of Florencia Kirchner founr with $s5.000.000 when she never held a job of any sort in her life. Sure it's easy to say that this was an inheritance from her deceased father.....then the question raised is: where did he get it from?
    - the money being counted by Baez Jr at the Rosadita which appeared in most TV programmes at the time.

    .........and these are but a few procedures pending in the courts, amounting to a total of about 12 if my memory serves me well, many including the request that CFK be arrested but which she slides out off due to her congressional inmunity. If she is innocent as claimed, it would stand to logic that she resigns this inmunity and faces the courts like any other worthy and innocent citizen and proves them to be mistaken.

    Likewise that her daughter Florencia returns from Cuba, where she has been under medical treatment for about 3 months or more. Medical treatment let's not forget which is perfectively obtainable in Argentina and just as good or even better. Apart from the fact that her “ailment” is of minor importance according to all reports. Or again as she does'nt have any sort of inmunity and is facing a request to be arrested, is that the reason for her “ailment” taking so long to be cured?
    Just random thoughts...................

    Jun 24th, 2019 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Little J
    “If she is innocent as claimed, it would stand to logic that she resigns this inmunity and faces the courts like any other worthy and innocent citizen and proves them to be mistaken.”

    Really? If you had immunity would you renounce it so they could put you in jail for an indefinite period, waiting for the 'notoriously slow' Argentine courts to finally get around to hearing your case(s)? Bonadio first ordered preventive detention for CFK at the end of 2017, in the AMIA case, and a year and a half later there are still no signs of it coming to court. That's a long time for a possibly innocent person to sit in jail waiting, no?

    Jun 24th, 2019 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    LJ

    “If she is innocent as claimed, it would stand to logic that she resigns this inmunity and faces the courts like any other worthy and innocent citizen and proves them to be mistaken.”

    Little J: Cristina is already facing the courts. Immunity is only against arrest. Trials are proceeding, and she has been in court every single time she was summoned to appear.

    DT is right about what prisoners currently face in Argentina, and certainly there is a number of them who have been languishing in preventive detention as the courts take their time to decide their fate.

    While you care about Cristina being out of jail, you may want to take a look at the situation of star prosecutor Carlos Stornelli, who has refused four citations of federal judge Alejo Ramos Padilla to testify about an organization suspected of blackmailing and extorting money from business people with participation of other members of the judiciary, intelligence agents and even...guess what...Clarin's well-known journalist Daniel Santoro!

    As a prosecutor, Stornelli has immunity against arrest, therefore he has ignored the summons of his colleague, with obvious complicity of the federal justice system.

    Recently, Stornelli has been found in contempt of justice by the federal chamber of Mar del Plata.

    Look forward to your findings.

    Jun 24th, 2019 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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