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Lula's appeal to be freed delayed until at least August
Brazil's Supreme Court on Tuesday delayed until August its decision on an appeal by imprisoned former President Lula da Silva who argued he should be freed because leaked private messages showed that the judge who convicted him was not impartial. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOf course they take their orders from their masters, the fix is in.
Jun 26th, 2019 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Terence Hill
Jun 26th, 2019 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0MAYBE, ordered BY The Master?:
https://twitter.com/Pragmatismo_/status/1143695052444786690
Toughie shitsky ...
Jun 26th, 2019 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CCJ of Senate approves bill against abuse of authority practiced by judge and prosecutor
Jun 27th, 2019 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Text approved by the commission also typifies the crime of electoral box 2 and classifies corruption as a heinous crime. Voting in the Senate floor may still be on Wednesday.
By Sara Resende, TV Globo - Brasilia
CCJ of Senate approves bill against abuse of authority practiced by judge and prosecutor
Text approved by the commission also typifies the crime of electoral box 2 and classifies corruption as a heinous crime. Voting in the Senate floor may still be on Wednesday.
By Sara Resende, TV Globo - Brasilia
The bill aims to combat situations where the judge or prosecutor benefits himself or another person, harms someone, and by “whim” or “personal satisfaction,” directs a process.
By the text, the magistrate will incur abuse of authority if:
render judgment when prevented by law;
act with “evident” political motivation;
expose his opinion, by any means of communication, in the middle of the process, commanded by him or another magistrate.
https://g1.globo.com/df/distrito-federal/noticia/2019/06/26/justica-do-df-autoriza-senador-em-prisao-domiciliar-a-passar-ferias-no-caribe.ghtml
@Terence Hill
Jun 27th, 2019 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “typifies the crime of electoral box 2”:
DID YOU ACTUALLY MEAN:
http://josiasdesouza.blogosfera.uol.com.br/files/2012/09/NaniTurismo.jpg
Officer traveling with Brazilian president Bolsonaro caught with 39 kilos of cocaine
Jun 27th, 2019 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/26/americas/brazil-officer-cocaine-g20-intl/index.html
@Terence Hill
Jun 27th, 2019 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't understand, why a normal practice is a “news”!!!
Gollum,
Jun 27th, 2019 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what ? the Sergeant was only a crew member on the “other” plane, not part of the presidential entourage....but of course, CNN tries to give the impression he was close to the president - who'd never even heard of him....typical CNN, and typical of you Gollum, to lap it up....because IT IS SUCH IMPORTANT NEWS !!!
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 28th, 2019 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Typical of you, ... ” I just reported it and have made no comment, the situation speaks for itself. Another wonderful reveal in the US client state.
You “just” reported it , “the situation speaks for itself”......then why “report” something everyone already knows ?
Jun 29th, 2019 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But your intent becomes clear when you state “Another wonderful reveal in the US client state”
You fool no one Gollum.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 29th, 2019 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But your intent becomes clear” Sorry, mind reading might work with your shallow thinking on your self. But, you're working above your pay scale, when you make references to others intents. “Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice; There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study …The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults.” www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
That's right, as always, when unable to justify your own crap, you change the subject... dimwit....
Jun 30th, 2019 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jun 30th, 2019 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When unable to justify your own crap” You've got that ass about tit, it's you who's making claim as to 'intent'. I just reported it and have made no comment. Thus you bear the burden of proof.
“Abuse
Burden of proof is often abused in rhetoric and arguments.
Shifting the burden
Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.”
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
That's it Gollum...
Jul 01st, 2019 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that you've changed course, step on the gas and get as far away as you can from your bs.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jul 01st, 2019 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Now that you've changed course” Your burden to show I have, which if true you'd be able to show. The fact that can't speaks volumes.
Northeastern Governors Call for Lula's Release and Dismissal of Moro and Prosecutors
A letter released this Sunday calls for the support of magistrates to investigate leaks and calls for the annulment of the former president's illegal trial.
By Contributing Reporter -July 1, 2019
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL - The governors of the Northeast of Brazil published a letter on the conversations between members of the Judiciary and the Federal Prosecutor's Office, published by The Intercept Brasil and other media outlets, on the morning of Sunday, June 30th. They demand “the prompt and expeditious verification of all matters, with impartiality and transparency.”
https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/national-politics/northeastern-governors-call-for-lulas-release-and-dismissal-of-moro-and-prosecutors/
Gollum, the slime-ball
Jul 01st, 2019 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...speaks volumes”....what a pussy remark....
Let the governors from the backward NEast (all leftist opposition) call for whatever they want....won't make the slightest bit of difference.......keep on kidding yrself....dimwit.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jul 01st, 2019 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Let the governors from the ... won't make the slightest bit of difference”
I have not the slightest doubt. But, in the meantime, Lula as a cause célèbre, is exonerated and shown to be innocent. Persecuted as he's perceived obstacle to US, and the elites interests. Will be admired world wide, and has to be on the short-list for a Nobel Peace Prize. While the only place the present administration is going, is down. Politics, is an art that requires a skill, of which there is none apparently.
Hold-On PLEASE - not SO fast:
Jul 02nd, 2019 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://twitter.com/VEJA/status/1146037640866816000
“Lula as a cause célèbre, is exonerated and shown to be innocent”.....
Jul 02nd, 2019 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WAKE UP GOLLUM !!!!!.....it's just a wet dream...now change your diapers.....
“Politics, is an art that requires a skill.......In YOUR expert opinion, that skill must be how to steal the country stupid, and still be enough of a ”cara-de-pau“ to insist he's honest, and allege ”eu não sei de nada”.....good joke.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jul 02nd, 2019 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Politics, is an art that requires a skill.......In YOUR expert opinion”
Who said it first?
“At his core, he(Bolsonaro) continues to be a conscientious objector to politics,” Stuenkel said. “I doubt he would even want to govern in a traditional sense. That would pose a difficult challenge, require great knowledge of other people and an interest in reaching a consensus. I do not think he has the skills.”
https://en.mercopress.com/2019/07/02/bolsonaro-first-six-turbulent-months-a-government-unable-to-deliver-surrounded-by-family-and-aye-aye-men
It is only under Brazil's make believe legal system Lula would have been convicted, not in any other first world country.
Maybe it's better to elect a corporal NEXT time?
Jul 02nd, 2019 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is only under Brazil's make believe legal system Lula would have been convicted, not in any other first world country.”
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0a. Brazil isn't a first world country.
b. Lula is still in a very much non-make believe jail. He hasn't been exonerated or shown to be innocent, all they've done is raise significant questions about whether he had a fair trial.
Even if he is innocent, why would being wrongly convicted make he eligible for a Nobel Peace prize? (Though to be fair, in the past the committee have handed this out for some pretty dubious reasons, to some extremely dodgy people.)
@ :o))
How about a Private? Or they could choose the President by lottery. No, reality TV show. If it's good enough for the US of A...
Apparently, The intercept is being raided by the Federal Police in an illegal 'fishing expedition'. Obviously at the behest of Moro, Glenn Greenwald told them they can search but they won't find anything.
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Such searches in first world jurisdictions have to be authorised by the judiciary, and have to a meet strict criteria.
So thanks to this current 'abuse of process' Lula's defence can show, another yet another example of his 'law fare' by a corrupt official.
@DemonTree
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: How about a Private?
Why choose an over-qualified candidate? Believe it or not, but pl. try to understand that THIS time, I'm really very SERIOUS!
As it already happened in the recent past; it's the easiest to choose amongst any zoo! DON'T YOU KNOW “WHY”?
From GLOBO: 'Macaco Tião, o candidato do povo' Jornal O Globo-Dec 13, 2017
“De imediato a brincadeira dos humoristas caiu nas graças do povo, que se aproveitou do voto manual para escrever o nome de Tião na cédula. Estima-se que tenha recebido 400 mil votos”
AND, the Zoo is in RJ - WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1146334293750439936
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Brazil isn't a first world country.
”It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.“ illinois.edu/blog/view/25/76120
“Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.” twitter.com/uberfacts/status/218151002707206145
You better pay more attention to your own grammar.
“All they've done is raise significant questions about whether he had a fair trial.”
Then which indicates an 'unsafe verdict', which given the 'presumption of innocence' a forte means he still is.“ Make ”he“ eligible for a Nobel Peace prize? ” Because he has already been nominated, and its likely with this evidence, will make people even better disposed to him.
@Crazycakes
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has Brazil being a first world country got to do with grammar?? You're completely mental.
@ :o))
“Joris Bonsonozo won't need six months to dismay even the right”
:( It's not just Brazil has that useless, corrupt politicians...
Gollum
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
“Politics, is an art that requires a skill.......In YOUR expert opinion”
Who said it first?”
WTF ? who said what first ? dimwit.
And BTW, in a first world country, a crook like Lula, IF he ever managed to be elected - you'd need a lot of Gollums to make that happen - would be thrown in jail after his first conviction, from where he could appeal all he wanted, and would never see the light of day again..
@DemonTree
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: It's not just Brazil has that useless, corrupt politicians
But the Brazilian Variety is more entertaining! You just can't AFFORD to miss:
https://www.tercalivre.com.br/museu-das-putas-esta-sendo-construido-em-bh-com-apoio-de-vereador/
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What has Brazil” You still wrote, 'he' instead of 'him' incorrectly. You also got them confused over the issue of who and whom.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
“Who said what first ?” I said first “Politics, is an art that requires a skill, of which there is none apparently. Prior to Oliver Stuenkel Associate Professor of International Relations from the Fundacao Getulio Vargas saying it. Nice to come to same conclusion that an expert has.
https://en.mercopress.com/2019/07/02/bolsonaro-first-six-turbulent-months-a-government-unable-to-deliver-surrounded-by-family-and-aye-aye-men
Lula would never be convicted in a first world country.
“The trial against Lula is politically motivated and based on flimsy evidence, argues Germany’s former justice minister…That counts for little in Brazil, where even senior judges spoke out against Lula before he had actually been found guilty. Despite claiming ‘judicial independence’, they have undermined the principle of rule of law enshrined in Brazil’s constitution.”
https:// soslula. org/2018/01/31/rough-justice-the-trial-against-lula-da-silva-is-politically-motivated-and-based-on-flimsy-evidence-argues-germanys-former-justice-minister/
Crisis in Brazil. Perry Anderson
“The fact that there is no physical evidence implicating Lula led Mark Weisbrot, writing in the New York Times”
no European or American court would have ruled to convict based on the evidence presented”
http://www. brownpoliticalreview.org/2018/03/brazils-democratic-woes-anti-elitism-reemergence-illiberalism/
Spout yr bs elsewhere Gollum...I'm not interested.
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only BS that has been revealed is you flapping your useless yap.
As your opinions have been totally refuted by expert opinion, loser.
@Loser
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.“
Don't worry, I still think you're just plain annoying. It's a good thing you're too stupid to use English correctly, since you're certainly obsessive enough to fit the definition...
@JB
“you'd need a lot of Gollums to make that happen”
Gollum lives in a 1st world country. We're not immune to idiots, sadly.
Did you see this?
https://twitter.com/exercitooficial/status/1145809362340012037
Seems pretty odd to honour a guy who fought for and was decorated by the Nazis, especially when Brazilian troops died fighting against them.
I read an article that I thought made a good point: in Germany they recognise that patriotism and fighting for your country is not always good or the right thing to do. It's a shame the Brazilian army does not.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I still think you're just plain annoying” Good, if that's what some slavish creeping Jesus thinks about me. I Must be doing something right. You stick with your cuddle chum, a person devoid of any honour. It suits you, “as a man is known be the company he keeps” Aesop. The companions of a man indicate his character, or lack of. “A liar is Always a liar.”
You have no idea where I live, but you still shoot your stupid mouth off.
You live in Canada, but what on earth is a creeping Jesus?
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what do you think about the Brazilian military honouring a former Wehrmacht officer?
@TH
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “Lula would never be convicted in a first world country”:
Don't you think that everyone has a right to have fun? The 3rd World Countries have such great advantages that any 1st World Country would envy! If you don't believe, just look around. How many 3rd World Countries can you name which manage to crawl into the 1st World Countries of lately?
DT
Jul 04th, 2019 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, I read a short article on it. Quite frankly, see no reason to become upset. The fact that Otto Von Westernhagen fought in WWII, is no big deal…when the war started he was 16, when it ended, 22, so sounds like he was one of the millions obliged to fight for his country….whether he believed in the cause, or not.
But in 1968, an officer of a country then considered friendly, he came to Brazil as an exchange student, at the Military Command School. He was assassinated because the terrorists who shot him, confused him with a Bolivian Army captain attending the same course, and who was responsible for Che Guevara’s death one year earlier.
Honouring him 51 years later, is just a way of Brazilian Army’s showing its (and our Constitution’s) repudiation of terrorism.
“in Germany they recognise that patriotism and fighting for your country is not always good or the right thing to do”….today, with the conscientious objectors, and social movements against wars, am sure many people believe it….but what’s wrong with patriotism ? and, how about refusing to fight back in 1939 ? he’d have been shot as a traitor.
And what’s your point in stating “It's a shame the Brazilian army does not” ? …is it your insistence that the Army is not interested in what’s best for Brazil ? What has the Army done recently that has prejudiced Brazil ?
JB
Jul 04th, 2019 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read up on the topic a little. The SS were the most involved in the holocaust, as everyone knows, but the ordinary German army also participated in mass shootings and other atrocities, mostly on the eastern front. According to historians, soldiers who refused to do it were not punished, unlike those refusing ordinary orders. We don't know what this guy specifically did during the war, apart from fight for an evil regime, and against Brazil. By the time he was killed, the cold war was in full swing. Did the Brazilian army think the enemy of their enemy (communism), must be their friend, even former Nazis?
This is the quote I was referring to; should have just copied it in the first place:
”Atualmente, na Alemanha, diante da inviabilidade de punir todos aqueles que tiveram este tipo de envolvimento, evita-se heroificar militares que atuaram no período nazista. Este procedimento tem um significado profundo e importantíssimo, pois desconstrói a ideia de que “lutar pela pátria” seria algo intrinsicamente (e sempre) bom – não é, como o caso alemão bem demonstra. As homenagens do exército brasileiro demonstram que, aqui, esta mensagem ainda não foi compreendida totalmente.”
Hopefully the point is more clear. It's from an article written by the Holocaust Museum in Curitiba. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FFfC1tYC88Vf3741Fmx_XkMVxC0VuAEL/view
Do the Lava Jato Leaks Show Illegal or Unethical Behavior? A Debate Between Brazilian Legal Experts
Jul 04th, 2019 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Accusatory System and the Impartiality of the Criminal Judge in Brazil
To understand and evaluate the impropriety of the text messages between the presiding judge and the prosecutor, it is first necessary to understand that Brazilian law rigidly separates the functions of the judge and the prosecutor in criminal proceedings. Indeed, this is no longer the subject of significant disagreement in national case-law. In 2014, the Supreme Federal Court (the Supremo Tribunal Federal, or STF) set an important precedent (ADI 5104 MC, Rapporteur Justice Luís Roberto Barroso, Full Bench (Plenary)) that affirmed the absolute separation between the functions of accusing and of judging in the criminal process, declaring that “the 1988 Constitution made an unequivocal choice for the accusatory system—not the inquisitorial system—creating the basis for a profound change in the conduct of criminal investigations and prosecution of criminal cases in Brazil.” The most important feature of this accusatory system, as Justice Barroso’s majority opinion stressed, is the establishment of “a rigid separation between prosecuting and judging.” This rigid separation, the STF continued, has two main consequences for Brazilian criminal procedure: First, the judge ceases to play an active role in the investigation and prosecution stage, in order to preserve his or her neutrality at the trial and judgment stage of the case. Thus the judge must remain passive, acting only in response to the parties. As STF opinion put it, Brazilian criminal procedure “segregates the investigation, prosecution, and trial phases, and it is not permissible for the judicial authority to determine the course of the investigations, to the detriment of its own neutrality.”
https://globalanticorruptionblog.com
DT
Jul 04th, 2019 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Otto Von Westerhagen served in an artillery battallion....not in the SS, nor killing innocent civilians / enemies imprisoned in concentration/prison camps....the chances of him having a choice during the Nazi regime, unless he was from some influential family, would be nihil.
As for the Brazilians who fought in Italy, under the American's command, it is unlikely they got anywhere near him...But what you're saying is that every German soldier, regardless of the capacity in which they served, whether they supported Hiltler's crazy dreams, or not, makes no difference....they are all Nazis that deserve to be assassinated in cold blood, years later....okayyyyyyy, if you think so.
”Did the Brazilian army think the enemy of their enemy (communism), must be their friend, even former Nazis?“....who says he WAS a Nazi ? you ? perhaps just a soldier, who had no choice ?
Anyway, the text in Portuguese says that ”inview of the impossibility of punishing all those who had this type of involvement“.....what ”type“ ?....carrying on, ”today, in Germany, they try to avoid honouring soldiers who fought under the Nazi command. This policy is very important as it deconstructs the idea that 'fighting for your country' is something intrinsically (and always) good...it isn't, as this German case well demonstrates“.
And finally, it says ”the tribute paid by the Brazilian army shows that here, this message has not yet been totally comprehended”.
The fact remains, OVW was a foreign exchange student in a Military School, like many others (foreigners, from friendly countries), and if anyone of them - let's say the Bolivian captain (who was the target) - had been assssinated in the same way, their deaths should have been ignored ? to justify terrorism ?
Afaic, complaining about it is just too much sensitivity for me...or, desperately looking for hair on eggs.
“...they are all Nazis that deserve to be assassinated in cold blood, years later....okayyyyyyy, if you think so. ”
Jul 05th, 2019 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's nuts. Even the men who killed him didn't think so, they shot him by mistake for someone else. Former concentration camp guards and the ones giving orders like Eichmann weren't murdered either, they were prosecuted for their crimes where possible, when they weren't being protected by certain countries...
The question was whether the Brazilian army was right to honour the guy, and I thought the essay I linked to was a thoughtful and non-hysterical look at the issues involved. Also should explain what 'type of involvement' they are talking about.
He was from an influential family, by the way. That 'von' in his name is a noble title in German. We still don't know what exactly he did in the war; he might have never been asked to do anything but normal fighting, or might have refused to take part in atrocities, or he might have joined in shooting civilians and prisoners of war with gusto. I bet the Brazilian military doesn't know either.
And speaking of Nazis being protected, the US pardoned a bunch of German scientists so they could come and work for them during the cold war. Werner von Braun is the most famous example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio
PS. The site was down again today. I think I gave you my email address before, but just in case we get cut off in the middle of a conversation some time in future, it's d3montree (at) gmail.com.
Where Do You Turn When the Anti-Corruption Crusaders Are Dirty?
Jul 05th, 2019 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to material published by the news site The Intercept Brasil, over the course of the investigation, Mr. Moro meddled in matters of press coverage and worried about how to get the public’s support for the prosecution. “What do you think of these crazy statements from the PT national board? Should we officially rebut?” he once asked federal prosecutor Deltan Dallagnol, referring to a statement by Mr. da Silva’s Workers’ Party in which the indictment was deemed a political persecution. Notice the use of the word “we” — as if Mr. Moro and Mr. Dallagnol are on the same team.
This is all, of course, highly immoral — if not downright illegal. It violates nothing less than the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which says: “Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.” Under Brazil’s Criminal Procedure Code, judges are supposed to be neutral arbiters and cannot give advice to any of the parties in a case. Mr. Moro also violated many provisions of the Brazilian Code of Judicial Ethics, particularly one that says the judge should maintain “an equivalent distance from the parties,” avoiding any kind of behavior that may reflect “favoritism, predisposition or preconception.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/05/opinion/lula-moro-brazil.html
@JB / @TH / @DT
Jul 05th, 2019 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just RELAX!
Do you take The Clowns so seriously; just because you get paid - & handsomely too - to pimp for ANY of “The Corrupt”?
“The Intercept has now partnered with two other Brazilian news outlets — Folha de São Paulo and Veja — that are helping to dig into the material. Folha reporter Ricardo Balthazar said he was able to verify the messages by identifying his own Telegram exchange with a Moro assistant in the database.”
Jul 05th, 2019 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://globalvoices.org/2019/07/03/interview-with-the-intercepts-leandro-demori-whose-team-of-reporters-challenged-brazils-anti-corruption-probe/
DT
Jul 05th, 2019 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That's nuts. Even the men who killed him didn't think so, they shot him by mistake for someone else. Former concentration camp guards and the ones giving orders like Eichmann weren't murdered either.....”
You are contradicting yourself...o'wise what is the problem with paying tribute to an assassinated german officer, in Brazil, by terrorists, and who was not a war criminal ?
Whether right, or not, for the Army to honour him, does not deserve so much scrutiny - it was a simple tribute to a foreign student assassinated while attending a Military school in Brazil. The fact he was allowed to attend, presumes he was OK, or perhaps all German ex-combatants in WWII should be banned from entering Brazil ?
How about Lula's “honoring” terrorism, by refusing to extradite Cesare Battisti back to Italy ? Don't recall the HR activists (lefties) complaining then.
OVW is reported to have served in an artillery battalion....like any other soldier, away from the Nazi command. Before the Military school accepted his application (or invited him ?) there would be a background check...and the fact he was only 22 when the war ended, quite likely means he rose to rank of major well after the war.
Regarding the German scientists being grabbed by the US (Von Braun) 'n the USSR, that has abosulutely nothing to do with war crimes, concentration camps etc...Just as well Von Braun did not end up in Russia.
Did you see Gollum's indignant comment, under “Lula's habeas Corpus request”, that he “will not jump through hoops for anyone”, when in reply to his demand for proof, I told him to look up 'Janet Leslie Cooke' - after he had defended that no Pulitzer Prize winner had ever been stripped of the award due to fraud, as if the award were a certificate of 'most valuable human being on the planet', 'n th4 implying that GG was a gift to humanity.
If googling is 'jumping through hoops', doesn't say much for his intelligence.
Just as well the post closed, as Gollum is a pain - in his ass
“The Intercept has now partnered with two other Brazilian news outlets — Folha de São Paulo and Veja — that are helping to dig into the material. Folha reporter Ricardo Balthazar said he was able to verify the messages by identifying his own Telegram exchange with a Moro assistant in the database.”
Jul 05th, 2019 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://globalvoices.org/2019/07/03/interview-with-the-intercepts-leandro-demori-whose-team-of-reporters-challenged-brazils-anti-corruption-probe/
JB
Jul 05th, 2019 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are contradicting yourself”
There's a lot of ground between thinking someone deserves to be murdered in cold blood, and paying tribute to them. Consider Gollum, for example.
I wonder if the BR military did do a background check? I doubt they'd think his actions during the war were any of their business, given the German army let him stay in and even promoted him.
As for the German (and Japanese) scientists, it doesn't seem right to pardon them and let them get away with their crimes just because they're useful. And some of them definitely did commit crimes. Shouldn't criminals be punished?
Re Gollum, I had not seen it, but that's normal for him. He's happy to spend any amount of time googling to find 'evidence' for his own points, but he's not honest enough to look at evidence he's wrong. He even refused to post his usual quotes when they would prove I was right; it's nothing but cowardice and intellectual dishonesty.
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