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Argentina claims Boris Johnson is willing to dialogue on the Falklands issue
Boris Johnson, the leading candidate in the current process to replace Theresa May as UK prime minister is open to dialogue on the Falklands/Malvinas issue, said Argentine foreign minister Jorge Faurie during a meeting with the United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres. Read full article
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Jun 27th, 2019 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse +2How many times does one have to repeat that the Falkland Islanders wishes to remain a British Overseas territory. When will the decent people in the world realise that Argentina is attempting to steal yet another land.
Jun 27th, 2019 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +4When will the world order recognise our rights to self determination.
When will Argentina finally get the message we want nothing to do with them so long as they insist that sovereignty must be negotiated.
When will Argentina recognise us as a people with these rights.
Clearly the world of politicians are out of touch with the modern world . Boris Johnson has no right to start negotiations about our sovereignty without we say to do so and right now that will never be granted. Remember the pledge by Britain that nothing will be done against the wishes of the people of the Falkland Islands.
Why cannot Argentina go to the ICJ and resolve this issue once and for all. We know that they will not because they would lose . They would never accept the outcome . They are their own worst enemy when it comes to acquiring land.
They are on record for land grabbing when they removed the indigenous people of that land.
They have no right whatsoever to the Falkland islands and should be warned that bullying is not permitted. They lost a war because of that attitude in 1982 and if they continue to be a bully towards us it will continue to harden our resolve to not do business with them.
Pipe dreaming Mr Fourie!
Jun 27th, 2019 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse +1Did not realise he was a smoker.
They've got previous form:
Jun 27th, 2019 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1Argentina confident of Falklands agreement.
Argentine Foreign Minister told Reuters Special Correspondent today that the dispute with Britain could be settled, adding 'the British are gentlemen. I think it will be settled in that spirit.' (The Citizen, 6 April 1948).
What a complete load of ****. Secretaries General will only use “good offices” to facilitate a negotiation when both Member States agree. Since there is nothing to discuss he will not commit to a one sided request. And Mr Johnson is on public record as supporting the Islanders right to self determination. A lot of wishful thinking with no substance, and clear attempt at manipulation of Argentine public opinion.
Jun 27th, 2019 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse +8@kelperabout: Why? because in the islands there was an Argentine population that was expelled.
Jun 27th, 2019 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands were incorporated into the British crown after the usurpation.
Everything you request can be expressed in the framework of a negotiation, it is only possible to achieve something with the dialogue.
Even to appeal to the International Court of Justice, agreement between countries is necessary.
I can understand how the inhabitants of the Falklands / Malvinas Islands feel. Now try to understand how we feel.
My greatest respects to the inhabitants of the Falklands / Malvinas Islands.
Malvinense 1833. Do you know why that small garrison was expelled. They were expelled because they tried to settle on a land that had already been claimed by Great Britain almost a hundred years earlier. 1592: A British ship under the command of John Davis discovers the islands and they are named Davis Land.1690: British ship under the command of Captain John Strong visits the South Atlantic islands. He named the sound between the two main islands for Anthony Cary, the Fifth Viscount Falkland (1656-1694). Cary as the treasurer of the British navy had approved the Strong expedition.(1740) Lord George Anson of Britain visited, recommended the Islands be used as base by England for exploring Pacific Ocean.(1765) John Byron of Great Britain claimed Saunders Island for Britain
Jun 27th, 2019 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2(1766) British established Port Egmont on Saunders Island.(1831) Argentina government sent Major Esteban Mestiver to set up penal colony in Falkland Islands, soldiers mutinied, killed him
(1833) Britain re-established control of the Islands. Charles Darwin visited
The last entry 1833 clearly shows that Britain RE-ESTABLISHED control proving that Argentina had attempted to steal the Islands by deploying a garrison there. The civilians at that time were asked if they wanted to stay and the majority did. There are generations today that can trace their families back to those settlers. Settlers that wanted to become a part of the British system because they had been treated so badly by the then Argentine garrison. Falkland Islanders again in 1982 were treated badly by the Argentine invaders. Homes and livelihoods devastated. That is why we will never again trust the governments of Argentina no matter how friendly they try to become. They destroyed any trust we may have once had in them.
MoreCrap - Buenos Aires was trespassing in 1833. Not Argentina, Buenos Aires acting as a Province, not on behalf of the Confederation.
Jun 28th, 2019 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse +3https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/senadoargentina-sesion18820729.pdf
And there is nothing to negotiate over. If Argentina believes that Boris is amenable about talks, then they clearly do not know Boris.
Another complete fabrication by Jorge Faurie. This is the man who read out his prepared speech at this week's UN C24 meeting citing at length the completely false claim that Britain had expelled the indigenous population in 1833, when this claim had been comprehensively debunked by two previous speakers at the same meeting. It does not say much when a Foreign Minister cannot even engage in a discussion of facts at an international meeting. Clearly facts have no place in Mr Faurie's reality as shown here again.
Jun 28th, 2019 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse +3If Boris agreed to talks on the sovereignty of the Falklands he would be committing political suicide and he would not do that. Too arrogant and his ego would not let him. God help us if Boris was Prime minister, he is such a buffoon.None of our politicians know what they are doing only they want power and status. Knobheads all of them, not one good one amongst them.
Jun 28th, 2019 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2What do Mickey Mouse and Goofy say about the subject?
Jul 01st, 2019 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many loose words in the wind, but ...
Jul 01st, 2019 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Professor Kohen was in the islands, nobody dared to have a debate with him.
kelperabout:
I do not share your opinion but I understand it.
Malvinense 1833
Jul 01st, 2019 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kohen is a sophist of the worst kind as he continually makes assertions without the backing of legal judgements, simply his own personal opinion, which legally makes such claims worthless.
For example in the publication Página12 dated Tuesday, March 5, 2013 he writes “This is a plebiscite organised by the British government”. Which is a deliberate lie as many independent publications and witnesses have attested, it was organised by the F.I. government. Then he attempts to discredit the referendum by implying that there is a prerequisite for the UN to be involved, where no such requirement in The Charter et al. Then he carries on stating there are categories of people under international law who are entitled to self-determination, citing the UNGA as his source. With very few exceptions the GA resolutions are not international law, merely advisements.
It would seem that Sr. Kohen's blandishments have more too do with his continued employment by the Argentine government than with the reality of international law.
Terence: The explanation you write here can be made in a debate, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the other person. I think that extreme positions are not good and positive things can be achieved with the exchange of ideas. We do not expect to be right, just learn from each other.
Jul 02nd, 2019 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards.
Malvinense 1833. With respect Argentina can not actually claim something they have never owned. Remember Britain made legal claim to the Islands before Argentina even existed. It does not matter who preceded that claim Britain has on record being the first.
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1I cannot see how Argentina can colonise us when they are in fact against colonisation as they repeat in the C24 at every attendance and that party of the C24 desires to end colonisation. We are not colonised by Britain we have chosen to be a British Overseas Territory which is completely different to that of colonisation. Remember Argentina colonised the very land they now live on. Does this equally mean that as in history they should be also made to give back land that they in the eyes of the wider world took from an indigenous people. Clearly Argentina does not believe they should and therefore using the same rule of application they equally should not expect the Islanders to give up their homeland either.
That in my book is equalisation but the only thing I see is that Argentina want to colonise us and that is clearly completely opposite to the desires of the C24
Argentina has a lot of issues they need to address before they start trying to make us change. Remember we live in the 21st century not the past and it is time Argentina started to act more maturely towards us and recognise that we are indeed a people in our own rights, Until they do that we Islanders will always be on our guard.
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