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Military parade and Malvinas Veterans march to celebrate Argentina's independence
Some four thousand troops, including Malvinas Veterans will be marching this Tuesday in the posh district of Palermo in Buenos Aires, as part of the Independence Day celebrations. Last year the parade was cancelled because of budget problems. Read full article
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Jul 09th, 2019 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse +4National Socialists à la Kamerad/Komrade Rique and Gauchito Drink, marching down the street! Too bad they weren't all dancing cheek to cheek to tangos blared by a military band!
Jul 09th, 2019 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1How can you hold your head up if you surrendered like the Falklands invaders? What do you Think???
Jul 09th, 2019 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Argentine armed forces are very good at parading in fancy uniforms with lots of gold braid and shiny buttons and boots. They are also very.good at lording it over their own people and disposing of any they don' t like. Then of course they have an “ enviable” historical record of hunting down and killing the indigenous people of Argentina. What they are not so good at is engaging in serious armed combat with a well trained professional army. But in true Argentine style i.e. a very flexible approach to reality, they commemorate a humiliating defeat as a glorious victory ! Small wonder that Argentina consistently fails to reach its real potential.
Jul 10th, 2019 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse +3They're marching for their independence day, though. The Latin Americans did manage to defeat Spain. :)
Jul 10th, 2019 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0So who actually declared independence on 9 July 1816? And how many Provinces declined to sign that document? Declaring and attaining being, of course, two totally separate legal (?) situations.
Jul 10th, 2019 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina, however, did not unify or gain statehood before 1863 - arguably later.
Mr. Border Rover...
Jul 10th, 2019 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse -4Did you perhaps copied yours above from generals Tomoyuki Yamashita & Takuma Nishimura triumphant panphlets of 1942...?
***“ The Brutish armed farces are very good at parading in fancy uniforms with lots of gold braid and shiny buttons and boots. They are also very.good at lording it over all foreign Peoples and disposing of any they don' t like. Then of course they have an “ enviable” historical record of hunting down and killing the indigenous people of most of the World. What they are not so good at is engaging in serious armed combat with a well trained professional army...”***
Always remember hubris..., laddie...
No, Mr Think, sorry but I have never seen the pamphlets to which you refer. My comments are entirely my own , based on about 50 years of close interaction with a number of institutions in the country, including the army, the navy and the atomic energy comission. I don't think I said anything that wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny. There's even some public recognition in Patagonia that the “glorious” campaign of the desert isn't in fact something to be proud of.
Jul 10th, 2019 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4o
Mr. Border Rover...
Jul 10th, 2019 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -4And I I don't Think..., generals Yamashita & Nishimura said anything that wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny...There's even a lot of public recognition all over the World that the “glorious” Brutish Empire isn't in fact something to be proud of...
Capisce....?
Not quite sure what your point is Mr Think. I
Jul 10th, 2019 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4didn't make any comments at all about the British Empire. My main point was and is that your armed forces are not really a credit to your country . They've had one real opportunity to show their military effectiveness in recent times and they failed miserably. Their oft repeated attempts at governing your country
have also failed so one really has to ask what purpose they serve and why you, and others, seem eager to defend them?
The game of Empire was played by many nations Think, even yours (remember Patagonia?). Spain did not do so badly in terms of time, the Russians arguably had four or five empires. Germany, Italy, France, Portugal, Holland were all in the game at various times. Even the USA had (has?) colonies. The British had two empires (arguably more - https://www.britishempire.co.uk/ ), with the second as the one most talked about these days.
Jul 10th, 2019 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4There was good and bad in the mix, but yes old man, overall I am rather proud of what a small nation managed to achieve (is that tar I smell). Hardly our fault that Argentina came late to the game.
A game, in its traditional sense, that appears to be over although everyone now seems to be keeping a firm grip on the hand they ended up with. I say, in the traditional sense because financial empires continue. Your nation is not much good at that either Think.
LIfe is SO unfair ............
You're not quite sure what me point is Mr Rover...?
Jul 10th, 2019 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You DO comment as a subjec of the CROWN about a Brutish Empire issue known down here as the Malvinas War...!
My main point was and is that your armed farces are neither really a credit to your country... They've had one real opportunity to show their military effectiveness in recent times (IRAQ) and they failed miserably.... But..., to their credit..., at least..., they do not openly attempt to govern your country...
The difference between you and me..., laddie..., is that I know perfectly what purpose ARMED FARCES everywhere serve...
You..., evidently..., don't...
Capisce...?
Think doesn't want to defend the Argie armed forces, it's just an excuse to attack Britain as per usual.
Jul 10th, 2019 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Oh dear Mr Think, what a very sad and embittered fellow you are ! I am very proud of our armed forces. When was the last time the RAF dropped innocent civilians out of aircraft into the sea ? I can't think of any such incidents. When did the British commandos last enter our universities and beat the hell out of students with nightsticks, never is the answer, but I witnessed just that in the Faculty of Medicine in Buenos Aires in 1970.
Jul 10th, 2019 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +5How many more incidents of thuggery on the part of Las Fuerzas Argentinas do you want ? What is so sad is that almost all of their thiggery is directed aga
Poor old Tinkle an embittered old fart,tinkles likes being contrary and likes being a keyboard warrior. If it was possible he likes to hear his own voice eh! Tinkle old son, love you really you are good for a laugh.Sonny
Jul 10th, 2019 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Oh dear Mr Border Rover, what a jingoistic, brainwashed and ignorant fellow you are...! You are very proud of our armed farces..., huhhh...? The last time I checked..., the Iraqi War's Civilian Body Count was about 500,000 to 0 (nought) in favour of you Anglos... Sad memories from Ulster..., Yemen.., Kenya..., Suez..., Amritsar and thousands other places..., are there for anyone to remember...
Jul 10th, 2019 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Not to mention nice chaps as Bomber Harris............, or Horatio Nelson, who personally bombed one of El Think's Clan residences...
In short..., laddie..., for every single incident of thuggery on the part of the Argentinean Armed Farces you correctly remember..., I can remember hundreds comitted by your Brutish Armed Farces...
Capisce...?
You remember? Must be older than you sound Think.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse +3I suppose it is the one advantage of being attached to a young country that hasn't actually done anything, or achieved anything, that there is little to be ashamed of. Nothing to be proud of either of course. But then Argentina has mostly attacked ...... itself.
Nelson bombed Copenhagen in 1801 after the Danes had joined the French during the Revolutionary War if I recall it aright. Bombing a Think? Good man that Nelson.
Mr.Roger Lorton...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse -4Please educate yourself...
***“ Nelson bombed Copenhagen in 1801 after the Danes had joined the French”***... you say...
Nope..., copper...
Nelson bombed Copenhagen in 1801 after the Engrish were worried that the Danes could be forced to join the French....
All Danish troops were at the south border to defend against a possible French invasion that could probably fulfill the Engrish worries...
The dastardly Horatio sailed unmolested under the Danish Kronborg Castle's (Hamlet's one) mighty cannons just days before his treacherous attack...
The first preemtive terror bombing of an defenceless capital city in history...
Kind of a Twin Towers prequel...
Capisce...?
Not the way I recall it Think. Indeed, I seem to remember noting that the Danes fired first.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse +3www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Copenhagen-1801
www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_copenhagen.html
Terror bombing? How emotive. Wars are made that way.
Capisci...?
Try Battle of Copenhagen 1807..., copper...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse -4Yupppp...,Terror bombing indeed
There was NO war between DK and UK in 1807...
Just an Engrish preemtive terror bombing of defenceless civilians...
Of course, those “innocent” Danes were part of the dictator Napoleon's Continental system...the more that were sent to where they belonged, the better...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse +2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_System
1807? Make your mind up old man.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse +4Napoleonic wars. Danish neutrality didn't appear real and there was a fear that its navy would go over to Napoleon. Attempts to persuade the Danes to ally with England failed and it looked increasingly likely that the Danes would join the French. And if you weren't with us..........
Pre-emptive strike with the objective of capturing or taking the Danish fleet.
Couple of hundred civilian deaths/ 800 injured in 3 days of bombardment not helped by the fire brigade leaving town. Indeed, some suggestion that most civilians had left before the British arrived (?). Copenhagen surrendered and its fleet removed as a danger.
Copenhagen was an armed fortress Think. Throwing bombs at fortresses was sort of traditional.
Goodness me Think, what an outburst! Despite the name thinking doesn't seem to be one of your strong points. I see you are now exercised about our behaviour in the 2nd world war. Remind me of Argentina's role. Didn't you pretend to be neutral while cozying up to Nazi Germany ? Then of course many of your leaders thought Mussolini was a great guy! Once it became clear in 1944 that your friends were certain to lose you suddenly declared your undying support for the allied forces ! But of course you very kindly still provided a friendly refuge for numerous war criminals. Not a very enviable record.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse +2By the way, you need to go on a refresher course for your English, nobody uses the term “laddie” these day
”the Iraqi War's Civilian Body Count was about 500,000 to 0 (nought) in favour of you Anglos”
Jul 11th, 2019 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse +2'You Anglos'? Think is blaming the UK for everything America does too, now?
Mr. DemonTree...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse -5Being the luuuving Corgi lap dog of them Yanks carries some responsabilities..., laddie...
https://www.refworld.org/docid/45dadf192.html
Or..., like currently..., making one of your Engrish Crown Colonies to militarily seize an Iranian oiltanker in free passage Spanish waters....
WMD II fake news anybody...?
Fake news from Think. British waters old 'un. British waters of British Gibraltar. Similar to the British waters of the British Falkland Islands. Latino bullcrap just don't cut it.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2Think
Jul 11th, 2019 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse +1Our armed forces mostly did their best in a difficult situation, fighting two wars at once with not enough resources and impossible orders.
It wasn't the armed forces who decided to support America and invade Iraq on a dubious pretext, and it wasn't them who should have had a plan to rebuild it afterwards and failed. No one here has said they're proud of UK politicians...
TWIMC...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse -4Armed Farces..., everywhere in the World..., are a political tool...
And... in most places..., they are some biiiiiig tools...
Capisce...?
What's your point? Any country would be foolish to give up a 'biiiiig tool' when there's no higher authority to protect them.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Suuuuuure..., boy...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse -3Problem being them Countries having the 'biiiiigest tool'..., using it to impose THEIR “Higher Authority” on lesser folks..., ain't it...?
I Think the above to be the First Commandment of the Anglican Anglosphere..., that's me point...
Capisce...?
All countries that have power use it, and right now America has the most (maybe not for long).The other contenders are worse in almost every way.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1But I'm not sure armed forces are their biggest tool, isn't economic imperialism the in thing these days? Supporting coups across Latin America didn't require a big army; the US didn't invade Argentina, or most of the other countries in Latin America, and they still managed to impose governments friendly to them.
The realities of life = big tools, little tools & useless tools.
Jul 11th, 2019 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody said it was going to be fair.
You are indeed a big tool... copper...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1But haughtily sincere..., not like certain others...
You are remarkably quiet Mr Think. I was expecting chapter and verse from you relating to documented incidents of the RAF rounding up undesirable British citizens and dropping them from aircraft into the sea. Not found any evidence yet?
Jul 11th, 2019 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2How about evidence that our army officers took babies from their biological parents and gave, or sold, them to fellow officers, no luck so far? All done for the best of motives of course, making sure that the children of “ undesirable ” parents were brought up to respect and honour La Patria. Not sure you'll find any evidence of this sort of activity in the annals of the British Armed Forces. One might conclude that they are a rather more honourable and praiseworthy lot than yours. You might well find some parallels between your military friends' attempts at social engineering and the behaviour of the ruling party in Nazi Germany.
p.s. don't forget to sign up for some English refresher courses, you need to move on from that rather stilted and outdated 19th century style you have at present.
Mr. Border Rover...
Jul 11th, 2019 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I Think you are misreading me...
Let me explain it to you..., simply..., directly and in plain Engrish..., shall I...?
- You do me a GREAT SERVICE every time you refresh everybody's memory in here about the criminal deeds of our Armed Farces..., be it rounding up undesirable Argie citizens..., slitting their abdomens open and dropping them from aircraft into the river...., taking babies away from their pregnant prisoner Argie mothers before torturing them to death and giving or selling, them to fellow Argie officers, making sure that the children of “ undesirable ” parents were brought up to respect and honour “La Patria”................., or whatever...
Now... to find similar evidence of this sort of activity in the annals of the British Armed Forces...., you don't even need to go to some of those faaar away..., kaffer populated places..., I already mentioned in one of me comments above...
It suffices for you to walk due north ..., past Hadrian's Wal.., land talk to some of me fellow fly angling gentlemen from the bonnie Highlands...
They can tell ya stories about ye bloody “honourable and praiseworthy” Engrish Armed Farces...
Ps...:
What is it with you Pirate Anglo Colonial posters in here at MercoPress and your luuuuuuuv for the Reductio at Hitlerum turnipidity...?
Inspiration for Argie Armed Forces?
Jul 11th, 2019 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
I don't know why you haven't got rid of them yet...
Speaking about them Pirate Anglo Colonial posters in here at MercoPress who luuuuuuuv the Reductio at Hitlerum turnipidity..............
Jul 11th, 2019 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I rest me case...
@Pirate Scandi colonial
Jul 12th, 2019 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not mysterious. The Nazis are still the go-to example of evil, that's why comparing things/people to them is such a cliche. What's your problem, you think the Junta weren't that evil so the comparison is unfair?
***“ Still the go-to example of evil ”***..., indeed...:
Jul 12th, 2019 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/royal_gaffes/harry_nazi.jpg
It's just a costume, I don't know why people made such a big deal out of it.
Jul 12th, 2019 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse -1- Maybe because them ***”Nazis (and their beloved ZwaZtika) are still the go-to example of evil”***..., as an inconsistent young Anglo lad wrote somewhere...?
Jul 12th, 2019 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse -2It's not strange to celebrate victory in a lost war. The US is an expert at this - remember the “Mission Complete”?!
Jul 12th, 2019 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Jul 12th, 2019 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2There is a difference between faux pas of someone who is still technically a minor. And profiteering by aiding and abetting war criminals.
“Secret files reveal 9,000 Nazi war criminals fled to South America after WWII
As many as 5,000 Nazis went to Argentina
The files also showed that during the war Argentine President General Juan Peron sold 10,000 blank Argentine passports to ODESSA – the organisation set up to protect former SS men in the event of defeat.
Many South American countries postwar were ruled by fascist-style military dictatorships that welcomed the brutal servants of Nazism with few questions asked.
'And most entered on a passport of the International Red Cross. Eight hundred higher functionaries of the SS and Nazi state entered Argentina alone on such passports.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117093/Secret-files-reveal-9-000-Nazi-war-criminals-fled-South-America-WWII.html
Dressing up as something for a party isn't the same as endorsing it, though. People dress up as villains all the time.
Jul 12th, 2019 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Don't worry, lad...
Jul 12th, 2019 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I do understand young Harry's fascination with hisTeutonic first cousins macho image...
As i do understand your fascination with your Teutonic first cousins macho image...
Just don't let it happen again...,boys... You know..., “Nazis are still the go-to example of evil”...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Jul 12th, 2019 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“I do understand..” There is a vast difference between your mere speculation as to what might be, and your country's policy of aiding and abetting in criminal activity.
They did have cool uniforms, if you don't mind looking like the bad guy at all times.
Jul 12th, 2019 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Also, “still technically a minor”? He was 20.
Engrish animals...!
Jul 13th, 2019 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/12/brexit-party-mep-criticised-over-belgrano-twitter-comments
Lots of huffing and puffing Mr Think, very easy to excite chaps like you. Not suggesting for a moment that illegal fishing vessels should be sunk - but at various times French fishermen have had a very serious attempt at sinking British fishing boats. The case of the Belgrano was quite different. If you declare war on a nation by, e.g. forcefully invading their territory then any part of your armed forces become legitimate targets. If your armed forces only have had the experience at playing at war i.e. holding annual parades and capturing innocent civilians then they may well be caught unawares by a serious professional force prepared to go to any lengths to protect their sovereign territory. Very dangerous business to engage in serious warfare when you have no experience.
Jul 13th, 2019 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1By the way ,- your previous rants about the dastardly deeds of the Brits in the Scottish Highlands - we were actually seeking comparisons between the RAF and you air force. I don' t think the RAF were around when the Highland massacres took place. Don't remember seeing any planes in Braveheart. You seem to be suffering a bit from Trump disorder, he recently commended the American freedom fighters for bombing our airfields in the American war of Independence.
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Jul 13th, 2019 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Robert Rowland “given the same treatment as the Belgrano”
Sounds a little like you alone voice, while you are one of Argentine nationalism
”Animals” Hardly as that was a completely legal and justified act.
Mr Director:
Mrs. Pierini framed the sinking of the cruiser General Belgrano as a war crime unpunished and unclaimed by our country.
I have an obligation to make public my total disagreement. Was not a war crime, but a combat action, the 323 crew members who gave their lives were not murdered: died fighting for our country, which is the maximum that can make delivery military.
The integrated naval force was deployed for an attack on the British fleet forming a coordinated operation with other naval groups, the course that had momentarily away from the enemy fleet, as commander Admiral should wait a moment considered most suitable. The Belgrano and the other ships were a threat and a danger to the British.
Its location outside the exclusion zone meant not withdraw from the war. All commanders at sea had been the British media establishment that area. The message stated in its final part: The government of His Majesty reserves the right to attack any ship or aircraft, within or outside the exclusion zone, which it considers a threat to its forces. Leave the exclusion zone was not to leave the combat zone to enter a protected area.
There was a violation of international law was an act of war and that was the position as head of the Navy in 1995 with presentations held in various courts.
The internal political problems did not govern the conduct of those who fought. The Belgrano was sunk endowment aware of its risks.
To think that were poorly killed and not killed in combat is to offend the memory they deserve who fought for us.
Enrique Molina Pico
Admiral, former Chief of
General Staff of the Navy
CI 4293994
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundimiento_del_Belgrano
Good morning Mr Think! Interesting comment today on the behaviour of your pals in the Fuerzas Armadas Argentinas - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-48948853
Jul 14th, 2019 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse +1No doubt you'll dismiss it as Pro-Brit propaganda; still, makes one wonder why there's any enthusiasm for having parades etc to honour these guys.
Thanks for bringing andrew to light..., laddie...
Jul 14th, 2019 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An excellent Thinking Argentinean...
Even better when drunk...
R:I:P.
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Jul 14th, 2019 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Thanks for revealing some more of your sock-puppetry, you mustn't be fairing to well to resort to such a device.
“They did have cool uniforms...”
Jul 15th, 2019 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse -2Wow, now there's a quotable quote. But then you appear to have a lot in common with Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung. De gustibus non disputandum est, eh?
Coming from you, Imoyaro, I suppose I should consider that a compliment.
Jul 15th, 2019 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not got anything to say on the subject of the article, or the crass Brexiteer hedge-fund manager?
PS. Think, that is what a Nazi obsession really looks like.
***“looking like the bad guy at all times”***... could be also be looked at as a kind of “socially induced” obsession..., I Think...
Jul 15th, 2019 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0809/23/cute-pair-boys-dressed-fathers_1_625066d43eb45491e86d2cfde4c091ec.jpg
“403 Forbidden”
Jul 15th, 2019 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's hard not think think of the Nazis given the times we live in. Just look what's happening next door...
Geeeeeeeee......
Jul 15th, 2019 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Poor little Engrish sausage is worried for the Nazists nextdoor...
Maybe you can now begin to understand how worried we foreigners have been during the past ~500 years about them agressive..., heavily armed supremacists... racists..., eugenicists Engrish bullies with their Flaaaags and homemade Letters Patent...
You misunderstood - I was talking about YOUR neighbour, Brazil. But also the Philippines, Russia, US, Hungary, Poland, UK, and most of the rest of Europe. You're not worried about this wave of proto-fascism spreading across the democratic world?
Jul 15th, 2019 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope...
Jul 15th, 2019 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I have bomb throwing Antifa grandsons...remember...?
https://pics.me.me/violent-antifascist-thugs-pose-with-a-banner-stolen-from-a-37653561.png
No Pasarán
Lol. I like it.
Jul 15th, 2019 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My granddads were also violent antifascist thugs, I don't think they'd have found Imoyaro very amusing.
Mr. DemonTree...
Jul 16th, 2019 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -2And very possibly your greatgrandparents were violent laborist thugs stealing the Strike Right..., the 48 hours Work Week and the Womens Vote Right from the poor richy rich Tories....
If they saw their millenial Tory greatgrandson....
One of my great-granddads was a fireman and a Freemason, dunno about the rest. But why Tory when I'm clearly on the left?
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