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On Sunday 33.8 million Argentines will decide if they still believe in populism
Argentines are facing what is probably the tightest presidential race since the return of the country’s democracy in 1983 with conservative President Mauricio Macri facing an opposition ticket including ex-President Cristina Fernández, and the primary elections Sunday are expected to provide a hint of who might win October’s vote. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOn Sunday..., 33.8 million Argentineans will decide if they still believe in the right of 22.5 million Argentineans to eat every day...
Aug 10th, 2019 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse -3A vos no te va tan mal, gordito ...
Aug 10th, 2019 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Primero..., con los gorilas me trato de “usded”...
Aug 10th, 2019 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Segundo..., más “gordita” será su señora hermana...
Tercero..., vaya usted nomás a votarlo a Espert..., vaya...
Don't take it like that. I just used a famous phrase from Alfonsin that I'm sure you remember.
Aug 10th, 2019 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Should I take offense for being called a Gorila? That word doesn't make any sense to me.
There is no way out. Both sides are the same bs. The system is so corrupt that whomever wins can't guarantee any future.
Then it boils down to Espert o Del Caño. Both of them more respectable that Macri or FF.
I take it “like that” because I know where it is coming from..., pebete...
Aug 10th, 2019 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“Tan mal no nos va” ... to us ~4.000.000 pensioners with the lowest pension..., huhhhh...?
In 2015 those 4.000.000 pensioners got ~650 U$D monthly + free medicines...
In 2019 those same 4.000.000 pensioners get ~200 U$D monthly... no medicines...
Macri & Co. have declared that they want it down to ~100 U$D... no medicines...
“Tan mal no nos va”..., huhhhh...?
If the word “Gorilla” doesn't make any sense to you..., it is perhaps high time for you to learn a bit of recent Argentinean history...
Shouldn'be sooo difficult for a well educated guy as you... You seem to know a lot of history from other countries...
“Eine Lüge muss nur oft genug wiederholt werden. Dann wird sie geglaubt.”..., for example...
And..., who the heck is FF...?
If you are you referring to AF..., how can you even begin to Think comparing him to MM...?
Q...: How many judicial cases are or have been against AF...? A...: 0
Q...: How many judicial cases are or have been against MM... A...: ~250
Q...: Who can account for every single penny in his lifelong patrimony...? A...: AF
Q...: Who can express himself congruently and not in set phrases and cliches...? A...: AF
I have already learned a lot about Argentine history. Gorila is just a word used for anybody exposing the incredible corrupt political system that started with Peron and is eating up our country to this day.
Aug 10th, 2019 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2FF stands for Fernandez-Fernandez, don't play the fool.
Now back to AF, who do you think negotiated with Magnetto and receives orders from the embassy?
Similar to the other sh... but different scent
Who do you think AF and Madame will favorthe most? Do you really think they give a rat's ass about “La negrada” (as you kindly refer to our most needy ones)?
Come on! Be realistic!
I believe you are not a Peronist. Am I right? If so, please do not legitimate this fascist primary. Go vote for Del Caño.
It's time to steer off of shark infested waters.
Abrazo
1) The incredible corrupt political system in Argentina started in 1810..., unos 25 años antes de que los ancestros de Juan Domingo llegasen al Rio de la Plata..., read your history again..., pebete...
Aug 11th, 2019 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse -22) Para su información..., no me estóy haciendo el gil... Ud. menciona y compara..., con nombres propios..., ciertos INDIVIDUOS y..., subitamente introduce la dupla FF como si fueran mellizos gemelos monovulares siameses... Peras con manzanas..., pebete...
3) Now back to AF..., I present him as what he is..., a working..., honest and intelligent guy..., but the only response it occurs to you is accusing him of carring professionally his political job as a Cabinet Chief..., for example by negotiating with Magnetto or doing his best to be on good foot with the Embassy ('s).... You are as realistic as Paulo Vilouta..., pebete...
4) Yes..., I do Think AF and Madame will favor la negrada as they clearly did between 2003 - 2015..., pebete...
5) Los abrazos de gorila causan generalmente nefastas consecuencias al hombre común..., así qué..., si no lo incomoda..., preferiría prescindir del mismo..., pebete...
Buén domingo para Ustéd y........., bamoooo a bolbeeeeer...
You still defend Peron, Father of inflation? Mentor of mafia union leaders? Traitor to his own defenders? History should be made out of facts and not myths. You are of course entitled to believe any folklore you like. I personally love Tolkien but I would never consider to elect Frodo.
Aug 11th, 2019 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +2AF, a hardworking, honest and intelligent guy. I agree on that and appreciate him. If just Cristina were out of the picture. It is too bad that such a talented man would go to waste if he wins.
Unless Alberto calls on Guillermo Nielsen (or did you expect such an intelligent man to delegate economics on some K marxist clown?) ...
That would really be a great “bamoooo a bolbeeeeer”!
Enjoy this Peronist Sunday,
Cheers!
Pebete...
Aug 11th, 2019 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2***“You would never consider to elect Frodo”***..., huhhhhhhhh.....
Why then..., in the name of the Lord (of the Rings) did you elect Saruman last time...???
Fair question. I kept my hopes high for Macri until the end of 2017. Just like I did before for Nestor until 2006/2007.
Aug 11th, 2019 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Anyway, I have already stated my motives. I wanted the Kirchners out and there was no acceptable alternative. 2015 I voted for Massa in the generals then Macri on the run off.
No way that I would have voted for Scioli. Now we've got Alberto F., a good man I recon. If he wasn't running with Cristina, you and I would be on the same side today.
....and because of your general dislike for peronists in general and Mme. de Kirchner in particular..., you decided this time to vote for Sauron...?
Aug 11th, 2019 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Have you read his 13 points program...?
If yes..., please tell me where I can find the 10.000.000 workplaces his Neo-Liberal Elitism will destroy for la negrada...?
We will need a lot of Zyklon B..., for sure...
But that..., we can also import fron Germany... taxfree...
Allthough Peron, and the peronism that ensued, had his roots in fascism, there came some decent and notable men that subscribed to justicialism yet were democratic and believed in institutions. These people I respect. I reject Peronism as an idea. I accept it as a reality.
Aug 11th, 2019 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Sauron's 13 points program is just what will get this country up and running again. If you carefully look into it, you will find the relevance of bringing dignity back to the working class.
Elitism is what we have today. Rich union leaders, protected enterpreneurs and political accomplices. It is then that this unholy “trinity” must be disrupted.
Just ponder how much money do unions run through their leaders sticky fingers? A mere 10% decrease in social deductions would put more meals in the hand of workers, far away from ambicious union crooks.
Your move.
My move...?
Aug 11th, 2019 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -1How can I “move” when I am playing chess and you seem to be playing truco...?
Stop dodging the question and tell me WHERE THE BLOODY HECK can I find ANY WORKING PLACES to “redignify” the working class in your blah..., blah..., blah... candidate's plan...
Come on pebete..., just a few SPECIFIC working places..., some an average CABECITA NEGRA can put FOOD ON THE TABLE with..., not just “Invisible hand” talk or teorìa del derrame bla...,bla..., capisce...?
TRUCO...
Right. One thing for sure that job won't be in the government.
Aug 11th, 2019 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +2There exists the potential for a million jobs just by keeping the most money on the current workers' hands. This alone can boost internal consumption and small to middle businesses to boom.
Most companies today are overworking their existing employees. Instead of hiring 2 people for a job, SMEs hire one an pay extra hours under the table. Here are the numbers on an hypothetical 10.000 nominal salary:
1. Company pays 16000.
2. Employe gets 8000.
3. The rest goes to the state and unions.
(Other activities would be 14500, 8000 employee, state and unions 6500)
For every 2.3 current employees one job could be created if the economy is growing and inflation under control.
SMEs are the power house. Not Rocca, Perez Companc et al. I guess you could agree with this las statement.
Just cut the unions part a bit and you'll get a cascading effect throughout the economy. Centralize health coverage in the ANSES -by the use of existing technology- and keep the sticky fingers out of reach.
Incidentally, most of my leftist friends agree on this 100%.
***“SMEs are the power house. Not Rocca, Perez Companc et al. I guess you could agree with this las statement”***... you say...
Aug 11th, 2019 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Suuuure, I say....
Now give me just three (3) Argentinean SME's names (or areas of activity) that will be able to survive the brutal competition of foreign products & services that the “open borders” - “no tariffs” ultra-liberal Espert policies will provoke...
I'll make it easier for you..., give me just two (2)...
One (1)...?
I SPECIFICALLY asked you above about SPECIFIC working places..., some an average CABECITA NEGRA can put FOOD ON THE TABLE with..., not just “Invisible hand” talk or teorìa del derrame bla...,bla...,
All I got until now from you is sarasa..., pindonga y cuchuflito...
D-espert-ate...., pebete...!
That's the point. No pindonga or Cuchuflito. Let's suppose for a minute you are looking for a job and have a set of skills. Would you go out and try to compete at something you are not good at?
Aug 12th, 2019 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse +3Now let's suppose it is Argentina who is looking for a job, which activities would you pursue? What are we good at besides growing crops?
Are we any good at consumer electronics? No
Are we good at manufacturing mechanic parts? Definitely
Are we good at transforming crops into processes foods? We are great at that.
Are we good at engineering? Yes.
I'm not saying that we can turn a “cabecita negra” into an engineer or skilled designer overnight. However, with the right amount of capital, many of these activities could have a tremendous impact on creating jobs in the short term. In fact, despite the current adverse economic climate, this areas still show a slow but steady growth.
I will give you a small example of an area in which unskilled and/or marginalized people can be quickly included and also have a chance to learn: Application Testing. Demand on this keeps on growing and in many cases it is an activity which can be carried out by using a low end smart phone, a device which most unskilled people can handle.
That is just an example out of many activities that are carried out by some SMEs and startups. Another big area of growth -besides the current delivery apps- are “targeted services”. This last one is about filling the gap of corporate business processes for which big enterprises are too slow or dumb to solve. Whomever can read and add/subtract can do this. Even if you haven't had any contact with a computer before, handling a mouse and a keyboard can be learned at he job in two weeks. Huge demand.
I could go on all night about all sorts of activities in several other fields like energy recycling (yes, you heard that right), micro assemblies, etc but am reaching the char limit.
El resultado de las urnas parece indicar que los argentinos no tendremos esta vez que enfrentarnos al dilema de elegir entre comprar repuestos japoneses de alta calidad y bajo precio para nuestra Hilux en vez de repuestos de industria argentina de menor calidad y mayor precio...
Aug 12th, 2019 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse -1El resultado de las urnas parece indicar que los argentinos no tendremos esta vez que enfrentarnos al dilema de elegir entre comprar fideos italianos De Cecco de alta calidad y bajo precio para nuestra pancita en vez de fideos Matarazzo de industria argentina de menor calidad y mayor precio...
Lo mismo vale por si hubiesemos tenido que elegir entre la ingeniería alemana y la argentina...
Etc..., etc..., etc...
Yo siempre eligiria nuestra ingenieria donde vale la pena (Y hay muchas areas donde somos buenos). No solo es buena sino que nos va a dar mucho trabajo. Siempre nos conocieron por ser el granero del mundo y solo eso. Tenemos que potenciar nuestros talentos que son muchos y no reducirnos voluntariamente a ser proveedores de materias primas.
Aug 12th, 2019 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1Los Matarazzo no tienen nada que envidiarle a los De Cecco.
Sabes que? Desde fines de los 90 cada vez que puedo atravieso el pais de este a oeste. Me voy a Mendoza, San Juan. Me acuerdo particularmente enero del 2002. No podia creer ver tanta abundancia y nosotros tan hundidos y desesperanzados. Fue en uno de esos viajes que vi el logo de “Enron” en un lugar totalmente a oscuras cerca de Rio IV. Mamma mia! Que giles que somos! Necesitamos que estos boludos vengan a producir energia y estafarnos?
El resultado de las urnas es algo temporal. Y está bien que así sea. Se hicieron cosas mal y hay un 15 a 20 % que decide como se siente. Y eso es genial. Pensá que este es el primer gobierno no peronista que va a entregar el poder sin desastre o golpe de por medio.
No es un gran avance como pais?
Asi como se estan de a poco fortaleciendo las instituciones, a pesar de los extremos, asi es como nos vamos a ir poniendo de acuerdo en las prioridades economicas. No hay milagros. Solo hay que seguir intentando.
Y de vuelta te digo, vale la pena invertir en este país. Y lo primero que tenemos que invertir es croqueta, cerebro y ponerle ganas.
***“Yo siempre ELIGIRÍA nuestra ingenieria donde vale la pena...”***
Aug 12th, 2019 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse -1- Si..., Ustéd........., pero Sauron no...!
En su tenebroso mundillo liberal..., el libre-mercado es Dios y cualquier atisbo de “Compre Argentino”........., herejía...
***“Los Matarazzo no tienen nada que envidiarle a los De Cecco...”***
- Solo para empezar..., la trefilatura al bronce... Oyó Ud. hablar alguna vez de ella..., pebete...? Importantísima para la adherencia y absorción de la salsita de la nonna al fideo...
Pregunte en Burgio si no me cree... Alguno de los gronchos debe saber...
***“Pensá que este es el primer gobierno no peronista que va a entregar el poder sin desastre o golpe de por medio... No es un gran avance como pais?”***
- Si........., si entregan el poder en diciembre del 2019 sin desastre o golpe de por medio... Demasiados de los apellidos de la administración Cambiemos son los mismos que los de la “Revolución Fusiladora” del 55 y del “Proceso de Desorganización Nacional” del 76...
Como decía el viejo Vizcacha..., más sabe el diablo por viejo..., qué por diablo...
***“Lo primero que tenemos que invertir es croqueta, cerebro y ponerle ganas...”***
- Permitame Ud. complementar sus sabias palabras...:
Lo primero que tenemos que invertir es en darle de comer a la negrada..., así sus croquetas, cerebros y ganas de ponerle ganas pueden empezar a funccionar...
Me explico...?
No se explica. No del todo. Yo ya exprese mi vision de las cosas. Sin trabajo no hay futuro. Esta mañana a las 7 cuando me levanté pensaba justamente en que va a hacer Alberto para hacer crecer nuevamente la Argentina. Luego claro, vino el boom.
Aug 12th, 2019 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Me da miedo que siga en la misma, la misma receta que aplicaron tanto los milicos como los peronistas, como los amarillos. La receta que nunca funciona. Espero con toda el alma que tenga un as en la manga, guardado en el mayor de los secretos.
Estmos en flor de lio y ahora ya empiezan a cruzarse que el golpe de mercado lo esta dando el otro bando. Increible, se cruzan acusaciones y puteadas. Festejan el tembleque de ambos bandos.
Lo peor, es que esto lo paga el que menos tiene. O la negrada como gusta Ud. decir cariñosamente.
La verdad que los Matarazzo se van a volver inalcanzables. A comprar Marolio y brindar con Uvita.
Esta mañana hable con varios. (A algunos tuve que contener porque tienen deuda en dolares). Otros me aseguraban algo que creo cierto. Este quilombo dura un par de dias hasta que Alberto de señales.
Y despues que?
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