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Some 15.8 million Argentines living in poverty according to the latest data

Tuesday, October 1st 2019 - 09:59 UTC
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Poverty in Argentina rose to 35.4% of the population in the first half of the year, the highest officially recorded level since 2001, the INDEC national statistics bureau reported today. This means that some 15.8 million Argentines are now considered poor, INDEC's data indicates. At the end of 2018, 32% of Argentines were said to be living in poverty. Read full article

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  • Enrique Massot

    This tragedy is not happening because the Macri government did not know how to tackle poverty. It's happening because Macri came into office to do precisely that: to increase the share of the national income for the wealthiest -- and the poor be damned.

    Oh yeah. Macri and his gang do know how to reactivate the economy -- they actually did it a couple months before the October 2017 legislative election. For the Aug. 11 primaries, however, they had created such a mess with the economy and did not have enough resources to duplicate their feat of 2017, so the electors went to the ballot box without any sweeteners.

    Macri and his Cambiemos alliance were the first right-wing elected government since the return of democracy. Depending on the success of Fernandez-Fernandez revitalizing Argentina's economy, it may remain an isolated example for a long time.

    Oct 01st, 2019 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • golfcronie

    In your dreams EM in your dreams.

    Oct 03rd, 2019 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • :o))

    @Enrique Massot

    REF: “The poor be damned”

    Of course! But just NOT in Argentina! In many countries, the nº of poor/homeless/street-dwellers is growing at different rates!

    Oct 03rd, 2019 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    GC

    Of course. I do have a dream too.

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Dreams do not solve your problems. And i don't think Fernandez/ Fernandez are going to solve the problem. It seems to me to be endemic in Argentina.Why work if you get handouts? When I was in Argentina the locals just sat on their arses and watched the world go by. It is more likely to be true today after all you either come from Italian stock or Spanish stock, nuff said.

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    If the handouts are so generous in Argentina, why did I see a man eating food out of dustbins, people collecting recycling to sell, and others sleeping on the streets?

    It's funny that I had no problem finding a taxi, or getting served in restaurants and shops, if the people are so workshy.

    As for Italy, the most noticeable thing in Sicily was how few young people there were. Kind of sad to see, but rather than sitting around in a place with high unemployment, they had all left to get jobs elsewhere.

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TTAIMC... (To Them Anglos It May Concern)

    Funny how the two Anglos above choose to discuss their own internal problems using Argentina as a “By Proxi”...

    As if they didn't have some 14 million Poms, Paddies, Jocks & Taffies of their own, living in poverty according to the latest data...

    And..., last but not least..................., Le Brexît...
    Chuckle..., chuckle...

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Why is it funny? Lots of problems are universal, though I've never seen people eating out of bins or washing in public fountains in the UK.

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I haven't seen people eating out of bins in the UK either..., laddie...

    But my grandsons 'ave told me about places in London where them underprivileged can get food past its “best before date” for free...

    About washing themselves in the chilly waters of the public fountains in the UK..., I Think that that would dramatically increase the yearly recurrent excess winter deaths of thousands of pensioners in the UK.., using quietly their last pennies to pay Charon to ferry them across the Styx..., carrying with them their eternal shame of not being good enough for the meritocratic Engrish society of today...
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cold-weather-uk-winter-deaths-europe-polar-vortex-a8224276.html

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    TBH I wouldn't fancy washing in a fountain in BA, either. I really expected it to be warmer; we were there at the end of November and I've had hotter days in London in late spring. As for Patagonia, people made out like it was the Arctic, so we brought warm clothes and it was t-shirt weather half the time and not cold at all. It's as close to the equator as Cornwall!

    As for excess winter deaths, I heard they are worse in countries with warmer winters, because people don't take the cold seriously enough. So maybe that is a problem for Argentina, too?

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You say...:
    ***” I heard (winter deaths) are worse in countries with warmer winters, because people don't take the cold seriously enough.“***

    I say...:
    I do not know where you ”hear“ your info from..., but my above linked article seems CRYSTAL CLEAR to me...:
    ***”A total of 168,000 excess winter deaths have been recorded in the UK over the latest five-year period...

    OF 30 COUNTRIES STUDIED..., ONLY IRELAND HAS A HIGHER PROPORTION OF PEOPLE DYING DUE TO COLD WEATHER...

    Almost 17,000 of those people are estimated to have died as a direct result of fuel poverty and a further 36,000 deaths are attributable to conditions relating to living in a cold home, the research found.”***

    Oct 04th, 2019 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    I got my info from the same place you did, Mr Superior. News reports of variable accuracy.

    I also found an explanation of the methodology they used that moved Britain from 6th worst to 2nd worst in Europe, and since your only purpose is to bash Britain, you might be interested to know it puts Norway and Sweden in 3rd and 4th place, with Iceland and Denmark also in the top 10.

    https://www.e3g.org/news/media-room/uk-has-sixth-highest-rate-of-excess-winter-deaths-in-europe

    PS. The ability to remove VAT from fuel was one of the arguments in favour of Brexit during the referendum. Perhaps it appealed to pensioners?

    Oct 05th, 2019 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I see...

    You argument is then..., that UK pensioners freeze to death nearly double as much than Scandinavian pensioners..., because UK winters are milder than Scandinavian ones and because UK pensioners don't take the cold seriously enough...

    Allow me to disagree...

    Oct 05th, 2019 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    It wasn't my argument, but anyway you've misunderstood. No one in the UK is freezing to death, these excess winter deaths are things like flu and heart attacks, and the connection to inadequate heating only emerges in the statistics. That doesn't motivate society/the government to take action. It's society that doesn't take it seriously enough, not individuals - many of whom probably aren't even aware of the danger.

    Don't forget central heating didn't become common in Britain until the 70s, people who are elderly now likely grew up without it. My grandma was telling me how there'd be ice on the inside of her window when she woke up, and they'd just be cold all winter. My dad's childhood home only had a gas fire in the living room, how can you keep a house warm with that?

    And our government is more interested in telling people to turn down the heating to save money/the environment and put an extra jumper on than making sure we are warm enough for good health.

    Oct 05th, 2019 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    WOOOOTTTT...???

    Are you telling me that you are not letting your U.K. ancient ones freeze to death quickly and almost painlessy as we once did in Inuit Nunaat..., but slowly degrading them physically and morally through cold..., prolonguing their agonies for months..., even years...?

    Geeeee..., you Pirates are mean...

    Oct 05th, 2019 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    So is it true in Argentina people heat their houses enough to wear tshirts and shorts in winter?

    Oct 05th, 2019 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    GC

    It is a common say of wealthy Argentines that the poor “are lazy.” This was common when I was young. Now, the favourite saying has become, the poor, “live off welfare plans.”

    Of course, the idea is always to blame the victim and absolve the wealthy of any guilty feelings. There is no such thing as unemployment. People are just lazy.

    The last one is to say that Venezuelan immigrants are all working -- another way to say the Argentines do not want to work. However, hundreds and even thousands line up when a job position is advertised.

    You can never underestimate the hate spooked rich people are capable of.

    Oct 05th, 2019 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ahhhhhhh..., when we were younger...
    Do you remember “Susanita”..., Sr. Massot...?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mgPtJ1pUP4

    Oct 06th, 2019 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Sure! How could I ever forget Mafalda and her friends, including ineffable Susanita? Genial Quino helped us make sense of our world!

    Same for Fontanarrosa with Boogie el Aceitoso, Inodoro Pereyra el Renegau, Hector Oesterheld with the Eternauta and so many unforgettable others!

    Oct 06th, 2019 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Just found our friend..., the “élite economist” Jonaź_BsAs perfectly represented in one of Mafaldas auld strips...;-)
    https://stryptor.herokuapp.com/mafalda/09-121

    And don't get me startet with Boogie...!

    Oct 06th, 2019 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    REF: “15.8 million”: The number is still VERY SMALL!

    Oct 07th, 2019 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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