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Fernandez thanks Johnson's message but insists he will claim Falklands sovereignty

Thursday, October 31st 2019 - 09:59 UTC
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Argentine president-elect Alberto Fernandez thanked British prime minister Boris Johnson for his congratulation message but also cautioned that he will not give up the sovereignty claim over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands. Read full article

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  • tallison46

    The sovereignty claim that will accomplish nothing positive and productive.... but will cost more time and money.... LOL here we go again

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Livingthedream

    In the United States we have several sovereignty clams with Canada including Machias Seal Island. Few people know about this because we don't waste time with things that accomplish nothing.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Wild Blue Yonder

    Ain't gonna happen. Argentina fouled the nest, poisoned the islands with landmines, imprisoned civilians in halls for weeks, shat in baths, on carpets, in the Post Office, (for heaven's sake), and were given a thrashing and booted out to the acclamation of the world. Plainly not wanted by the people who have lived in the islands for generations.
    Why would the new leader of Argentina even wish to revisit such an embarrassing episode in the history of his nation?
    Why not just live peaceably with his neighbours. There is nothing admirable about covetousness.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • rule_britannia

    The UK is the fifth largest contributor to the IMF. I think Mr Fernandez should keep his big populist mouth shut if he wants our help to renegotiate Argentina's debts.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Enrique Massot

    With Alberto Fernandez, things will come back to normal, that is, Argentina actively claiming the Islas Malvinas. The claim was shamefully put to sleep during the last four years by a president who, as a member of Argentina's elite, cares more about the central countries than he does about his own people and even his own country.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • imoyaro

    The murderous, genocidal, racist Peronist, Kamerad/Komrade Rique, will always support the territorial aims of the Fascist junta...

    https://img.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/kkrique4_zpsv642e38g.jpg

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    “He will not give up the sovereignty claim”
    Argentina’s constitution makes this promise very difficult to fore fill.
    Amended in 1994, it suggests that Argentina can never take the islands by force.
    “The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law,..“
    Since there is not one iota of international law that supports an Argentine claim, and much that refutes it.
    Nor is the issue reliant on anything other than self determination. Moreover, ”There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
    Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
    I guess he he can go down to the shore line with a megaphone and yell out into the Atlantic, because he has absolutely no legal standing.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • rule_britannia

    #Enrique Massot

    “.. cares more about the central countries than he does about his own people and even his own country”

    That's the problem with you guys: you think “country” and “people” are two different things - and that land is more important than the people who live in it.

    So, you waste good money trying to grab land that isn't yours instead of spending the money on your own people (many of them desperately poor, by the way...)

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Enrique Massot

    RB

    How compassionate, to suggest we spend money on “our own people” rather than continue to claim the islands that belong to us.

    I trust my country, with a good government, can efficiently achieve both objectives.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Little J

    Enrique Massot
    Your problem is you don't have “a good government”, Argentina is back to be ruled by a bunch thugs, swindlers, corrupt leaders and a very long etc.

    Oct 31st, 2019 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • imoyaro

    “Thugs” is right...remember this guy?

    https://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2014/09/17/5419d44f268e3e2d2d8b456b.html

    He later became a talk show sensation...then it was revealed he was a member of Vatayon Militante ( later AKA Piguinos.) A K program which recruited specifically violent offenders to be muscle at K events. Good times. I await the news... :)

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • rule_britannia

    #Enrique Massot

    Between the re-establishment of British rule on the Falkland Islands in 1833 and the ratification of the treaty, Argentina sent annual protests to the British government by means of the Message to Congress, thereby maintaining Argentina's claim to the islands.

    However, Argentina gave up the islands in 1850 when it ratified the Convention of Settlement; or the Arana–Southern Treaty with Great Britain in which it recognised that it had no further claims on Great Britiain.

    Following the treaty, all official protests ceased. The matter was not raised again before the Argentine Congress until 1941.

    Sorry, mate, but facts are facts. Argentina gave up its claim for 90 years and only revived it because it hoped Hitler's Germany would win the Second World War.

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Good morning..., Sr. Massot...

    I do perfectly understand the violent reaction of some “passionate” Anglo posters in here against our Argentinean legitimate claim over the Malvinas Isles...
    (Quite “normal” ... Just see the violent online reactions Greta Thunberg gets for only telling the truth...!)

    What i do NOT UNDERSTAND are the ones using contrafactual arguments or directly lying in this modern Coogle Times...?!?

    Take for example poster “Livingthedream” that tells us that...:
    ***“In the United States we have several sovereignty clams with Canada including Machias Seal Island. Few people know about this because we don't waste time with things that accomplish nothing.”***
    I wonder if Machias Seal Island was occupied by..., lets say..., some Asian Colonial Power that was extracting YEARLY some 2.5 billion U$D worth of fish from its waters..., the USA would ...:***“ Not waste time with things that accomplish nothing.”***

    Or Turnip “Imoyaro” that comes with a lot of completely false info about an Argentinean common delincuent called Gastón Aguirre...
    - A quick Googleing shows that he..., as I type..., is serving his prison sentence and that there ain't no any connections with the socalled “K's”...

    Or poster Rule-Brittania..., with his very own personnal interpretation of history..., presented..., by him..., nontheless..., as facts...!
    Again..., a quick Googleing about his “facts”..., brings us quickly back to reality...

    - Anyhow..., my boreal comrade..., if you haven't seen it yet..., a contrafunnyfactual video about my boy Kicillof aka el Ruso...:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8MzTYEXMYAE

    Saludos...
    Think

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    “some 2.5 billion U$D worth of fish from its waters”

    According to the CIA the Falklands total exports are $257.3 million, and that's not all fish.

    That's not to say you're wrong about America; just look how they've treated Cuba. Last week Trump cancelled most of the commercial flights there, d'you think the new Fernandez will follow suit with the Falklands?

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Please inform yourself before embarrassing yourself...
    You just “ forgot” to include the licences sold to foreign fleets..., laddie...
    All in all it amounts to a yearly extraction of ~ 400,000 Metric tonnes of biomass...
    Conservatively sat by humble me (using Shanghai & Vigo cotizations) to ~some 2.5 billion U$D...
    Capisce...?

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    I didn't forget them, those were the only figures I could find. And Falklands GDP is nowhere close to even $1 bn, so it's obvious they are not getting billions from squid alone.

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...
    Where did I ever said that the squatting Engrish Kelpers are getting ALL that money..., laddie...

    They are more than happy to sit on their lardy arses and collect a 5 to 10% of the stolen fish value by selling licences..., fees..., quotas or whatever they call it...

    Fact is that the Islands Fisheries Department OWN FIGURES declare an average annual extraction of ~ 400.000 metric tonnes of biomass...

    The market value in Vigo and/or Shanghai of all that stolen fish is ~2,5~ billion U$D...

    And THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FROM THE BEGINNING...

    Capisce...?

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Do calm down, there's no need to shout. Did you know that last Friday Argentina spent more than the entire Falklands GDP trying - and failing - to prop up the peso? Back in August they were spending double that every day. Clearly, having those islands would make all the difference...

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    The evil crime of 400k of stolen biomass stolen from our mother Earth who is in alarming dire impending danger, is what we really need to address. Thanks to an awakening of cultural rational thinking of the serious problems we face unless we radically change our society, I have seen the light! Climate Change Trans Counselling’ by Will Franken (inspired by Greta Thunberg) will definitely inspire anyone willing brave enough to listen. https://youtu.be/uo8qXxnFuRQ

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip DemonTree...
    From ignorant level to turnip level in just 3 lines...
    Boooooring...

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    You get what you deserve, Think.

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I completely agree with you Shicuréo...
    The young ones are showing us the way..., indeed...
    Imagine how proud the parents of David must be right now...!
    https://www.pagina12.com.ar/228695-encarcelaron-a-un-soldado-chileno-que-se-nego-a-reprimir

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “Boooooring...” is you engaging in another act of res judicata, in presenting the same bogus defeated claim yet again. “Argentinean legitimate claim over the Malvinas”, as completely “Res judicata is raised when a party thinks that a particular claim was already, or could have been, litigated and therefore, should not be litigated again.”
    https://answersdrive.com/what-is-the-difference-between-res-judicata-and-collateral-estoppel-5001520

    Nov 01st, 2019 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rule_britannia

    #Think


    Argentina now denies that the Convention of Peace, which Britain and the Argentine Confederation ratified in 1850, affected the Falklands, but many authors say that it did.

    The main purpose of the treaty was to put an end to the Anglo-French naval blockade of the Rio de la Plata. Although no mention was made of the Falkland Islands in the treaty, the preamble of the treaty clearly states: “Convention for re-establishing the perfect Relations of friendship between Her Britannic Majesty and the Argentine Confederation”. It was signed at Buenos Ayres on November 24, 1849, and ratifications were exchanged on May 15, 1850.

    Now, it is a principle in law that any land/territory not mentioned in any peace treaty remains with the possessor. The law applicable and in force at the time states: ‘The treaty of peace leaves everything in the state in which it found it unless there
    is some express stipulation to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing is said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror and his title
    cannot afterwards be called into question.’ (Elements of International Law: With a Sketch of the History of the Science, Wheaton, H. 1836, p.288 and Elements of International Law, Halleck, H.W., 1866, p.353).

    Argentine historian Ernesto Fitte also wrote about the convention of 1849/50 in his book ‘Crónicas del Atlántico Sur,’ published in 1974. On page 250, he suggests that Rosas (Argentine Head of State) ‘’forgot’’ to mention the Falklands in 1849 when he made peace with Britain.

    There is ample evidence that Rosas did not forget the Falklands. The dispute of the Falklands was often mentioned at the time. In addition, the ‘’parrafito’’ (little paragraph) that he talked about in the annual government message to the Argentine Congress mentioning the Falklands ceased after the 1849/1850 Convention and wasn’t re-installed until 1941.

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • tallison46

    The bottom line is Fernandez is not going to claim Falklands sovereignty during his lifetime.

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Tex-Yank tallison46...

    Ya mean...:
    Your bottom linline is Fernandez is not going to succeed with his incoming claims over the Falklands sovereignty during his lifetime...

    An opinion..., as valid as anyone's..., including mine...

    Don't ya Think...?

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • rule_britannia

    The bottom line is that Fernandez is getting ready to fail - or getting ready to steal - and is looking for “an enemy without and an enemy within” to distract public opinion when things go wrong.

    It's textbook populism. The Kirchners did the same, remember?

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • tallison46

    No “Think” history is on my side

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Woooow...
    “History”..., huhhh...?

    It used to be just “God” and “King”..., now “History” has also taken the WASP's side...!

    Would you care to give this humble Patagonia just one (1) example of a situation SIMILAR OR COMPARABLE to the Malvinas Issue in which “History” is on your side...?

    Thanks in advance...
    El Think...

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
    “History”..., huhhh...?”
    Well you would have difficulty, since History (from Greek ἱστορία, historia, meaning 'inquiry; knowledge acquired by investigation').
    To be history it has to be truthful, which is the anathema of your cultural viveza criolla aspirations.

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Belice...

    Nov 02nd, 2019 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lu

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Nov 05th, 2019 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Ellis, Mel, Lu or whoever you call yourself.
    Never in a month of Sundays.

    Nov 05th, 2019 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • imoyaro

    Just a reminder to the racist , genocidal, fascist, Anti-Semitic and perverted Gauchito Drink, Kamerad/Komrade Rique, and of course Lu, Formosa, Chaco, and Missiones provinces will be returned to Paraguay. It's only a matter of time,escoria....

    Nov 05th, 2019 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • YourWorseNightmare

    It is difficult to overstate just what pathetic losers the British are. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_fvTQormTw

    Nov 05th, 2019 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    YWN “what pathetic losers the British are” Says one who's country has been bested by them as recently as '82.

    Nov 05th, 2019 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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