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Bolsonaro clashes with governors over lockdowns: “they are destroying Brazil”

Thursday, March 26th 2020 - 08:55 UTC
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President Jair Bolsonaro on Wednesday blasted as criminals the governors and mayors of Brazil’s largest states and cities for imposing lockdowns to slow the coronavirus outbreak, as tensions with his health minister simmered. The death toll rose to 57 from 46 while confirmed cases rose to 2,433 from 2,201 the day before. Read full article


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  • MarkWhelan

    This is a public message to Our Illustrious President (Jair Bolsonaro).

    Brazil is the people and the land not just a set of numbers called the economy.

    Mar 26th, 2020 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Bolsonaro is seeing through the hysteria because the pandemic is grossly overestimated.
    The cure is worse than the problem.

    Mar 27th, 2020 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “The cure is worse than the problem.” said the ruralist

    Mar 27th, 2020 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    And the humble campesino predictions are that both Bolsonaro and Trump will win re-elections.
    Remember avocado toast reduces stress and is a delicious addition to a healthy diet.

    Mar 28th, 2020 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Advocado
    “Bolsonaro and Trump will win re-elections” Based on your vast experience as to the following is not persuasive.

    ru•ral•ist roo͝r′ə-lĭst►
    n. One who resides in a rural area.
    n. An advocate of rural life.
    n. One who leads a rural life.
    from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

    country gentleman noun landowner
    cottager, provincial, ruralist, rustic, squire
    Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013

    Agrarianism - Wikipedia
    Agrarianism is a social philosophy or political philosophy which values rural society as superior to urban society and the independent farmer as superior to the paid worker, and sees farming as a way of life that can shape the ideal social values. It stresses the superiority of a simpler rural life as opposed to the complexity of city life.

    Mar 28th, 2020 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Will Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson win their next election contests? As always, it would be difficult to guess.

    Will they be held to account for the number of lives lost because of their negligence? Most probably not.

    Whatever happens, they will remain in the survivors' memory as the worst kind of leaders their respective countries have ever had.

    Mar 28th, 2020 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    You and Bolsonaro are the only ones who think so, Chicureo. Everything is locked down here, everything is locked down in America. Do you believe .5% of the population dying is no big deal? That's over 1m people in Brazil.

    Mar 28th, 2020 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    I'm not underplaying the worldwide pandemic crisis. Chile, like many countries are in self quarantine and fully expect the wave that has affected most of Europe.

    Although it may reach as high as a horrendous 0.5% mortality rate, there is indications when a large segment of populations are tested, the percentage will be lower. (New tests will soon be widely available to determine this.)

    However, the statistics from China are fully understated and the estimated pandemic death rate is far overestimated. An interesting simple video about the infection calculations:

    Also, there is an effective treatment that has been successfully used in several countries using a low cost available drug: Hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) and my personal physician has advised me that the primary cause is due to hand contact with your face.

    Here in Chile, we are avoiding socializing and have given most of our employees paid furlough while keeping everyone on our payroll. (Essential work continues on site, but other than security, many of our office staff work remotely, including UAV surveillance.)

    Unemployment also has a devastating effect upon people's health and we are fortunate to keep everyone with their normal income, but most companies cannot follow our example. This frightens me.

    One of the wonderful benefits of avocados is that the crop can be kept mature unharvested on the trees for months. However, my US customers are reporting massive demand — despite the crisis, and ship transport remains in complete operation.

    Obviously my concern remains focused on the affected by illness and I see a worldwide economic recession/depression that will cause even more suffering.

    As always, my sincere wish you and your family pull through this sad disaster.

    Mar 29th, 2020 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    The .5% mortality rate is already an estimate that assumes many undetected mild or asymptomatic cases. Rates based on known cases are much higher - 4% in China and over 10% in Italy. The UK government is basing their policy on modelling done at Imperial College London, which predicts 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2m in the US if nothing is done, and about half that number with less serious interventions aimed at slowing but not stopping the epidemic. Furthermore intensive care provision could be overwhelmed as early as the second week in April. Containing the epidemic would allow time to test the drug you mentioned or find others to treat it.

    I know two people who are close to losing their jobs due to the companies they work for folding. Luckily the government announced they would pay 80% of the salary for people put out of work, so at least one will be getting that and may have a job to go back to afterwards. But here in the UK agricultural workers are considered key workers. Is that not the case in Chile?

    My family is okay so far. The baby came early, which is really a blessing as we were able to get her home from hospital before the wards fill up with coronavirus cases. Now we just have to be strict about self-isolating. I hope your family is okay too.

    Mar 29th, 2020 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    Sincere congratulations on your daughter and thanks for your concern as well. Good to hear the mother and child are safe home.

    Latest news I'm reading that the mortality statistics higher than the H1N1 virus, but also that the Imperial College has recently recalculated and lowered the original number in their model.

    The French have competed their clinical study of using Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax and zinc therapy with success.

    Most agricultural operations are weathering well under this crisis, but some sectors are suffering. (For example, devastating for the export beef industry in Latin America. The Asian fruit market has been severely disrupted for Chile.)

    Chile wine exports to China have completely ceased along with raw materials, notably copper but mining continues and product is being stockpiled.

    Some of my neighbors in Chicureo are facing complete financial ruin and Chile's unemployment will reach historical high numbers.

    Watching the news from Europe has been frightening and profoundly sad.


    Mar 29th, 2020 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “I'm not underplaying the worldwide pandemic crisis”
    Don't worry just rub over your body with avocado paste, that will probably fix everything.
    ”But in those few days, a few people who began self medicating with the drugs in an effort to prevent COVID-19 have died, and others have been hospitalized. These tragedies have raised questions about the safety of the drug combo, and how valid they are as a possible solution to treating COVID-19.
    “In general if hydroxychloroquine really, really worked, and it was a magic drug for COVID-19, we would know it by now,” says Dr. David Sullivan, professor of microbiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and an infectious disease physician at the university’s malaria research institute. “Right now we have no clinical evidence that it works.”

    Mar 30th, 2020 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Tarrance the scaremonger basement dweller

    (scaremonger (ˈskɛəˌmʌŋɡə) a person who delights in spreading rumours of disaster.)

    Three important truths to know:

    1. The medical misuse of hydroxychloroquine you reference was due to an Arizona couple ignorantly ingesting a fish tank cleaner.
    (Besides the published successful French medical trial, many countries —including India and Belgium have now adopted the treatment.)

    2. Besides the fact that wisely choosing healthy nutritionous avocados are an excellent delicious addition to your diet — pureed avocado is also an EXCELLENT proven skin treatment.

    3. Despite all the terrible tragedy we are sadly seeing throughout the world, I’m also seeing a wonderful aspect of why we should love our neighbors, including mendacious scoundrels like yourself.

    ¡Salud y la paz!

    Mar 30th, 2020 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “Three important truths to know” says unqualified you, as you fail to meet your burden of proof. Versus, an eminent publication, quoting the top doctor in the use of this drug, in the States.
    “Dr. David Sullivan, professor of microbiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and an infectious disease physician at the university’s malaria research institute. “Right now we have no clinical evidence that it works.” Time Magazine, MARCH 24, 2020
    ”scaremonger basement dweller“ Oops! Your very own 'mummy hang-up,' which you frequently reveal in your 'matriarchal diatribes'. Which also usually includes such a location, has popped to the surface again.”
    “Psychological projection is a defence mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others.

    Mar 30th, 2020 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Thanks. It's been pretty crazy, but she's amazing and by far the cutest baby ever. :)

    I've seen good news and bad news - they think the isolation measures in the UK are starting to slow the epidemic, but half of all the people who needed intensive care have died. And there's also the damage to the economy, companies are folding left and right. It's all blown up so quickly.

    Mar 30th, 2020 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    Enjoy the new joy that's now a part of your life. All my children are special, but a father-daughter relationship is really amazing...

    We are beginning to see this pandemic affect us personally as one of my close friends died Sunday morning after being admitted to the Clinical Alemana on Thursday afternoon.

    He was 63 years old and probably contracted the virus after recently vacationing in Spain with his wife. (She remains testing COVID19 negative.) Funeral arrangements are uncertain and there will not be a public mass.

    General business overall is in serious trouble. My neighbor that owns the Viña apartment below my family's called me this morning to offer to sell it to me, because he's lost his line of credit with his bank — like most everyone has experienced. (He also has his primary residence here in Santiago which he also is putting on the market, because he desperately needs capital.)

    Lots of bankruptcies on the horizon and the unemployment levels will be heartbreaking especially for low income workers — unless Piñera can somehow reorganize the economy. (If there is anyone that can accomplish this, he is the person with the capability.)

    ¡Salud y paz!

    Mar 30th, 2020 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “... the scaremonger basement dweller”
    You are a really primitive troll, One more that infests this forum........then I suppose the other ones must be you and your mate. judging by all the droppings you leave around this must be the internet cave you all live in.

    Mar 31st, 2020 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    Post Script: The death of my friend I refered to is now been confirmed by the Clinica Alemana as not due to COVID-19 as earlier diagnosed.

    Meanwhile, due to intense pressure by Madame, I've made one of my worst financial decisions of my life and purchased the Viña apartment below mine. ...the upside is I retain my privilege to the master bedroom...

    (Kind thanks to the prior post for allowing me update the sad news if my friend.)

    Mar 31st, 2020 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I'm sorry about your friend. 63 isn't old at all and that's very sudden no matter what the cause.

    All we can really do is hope things don't get any worse and that the world economy is able to recover afterwards. No one anticipated this.

    What do you plan to do with the extra apartment?

    Mar 31st, 2020 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Demon Tree

    I'm currently well into a rare, special reserve 2009 Arboleda, Carménère in this surrealist period of human history.

    Yes the death was a shock, complicated with the false-positive test result and his wife testing negatively. He apparently picked up in Europe a very nasty punenoma virus. They still can’t have a funeral which is understandable and yet socially hard to accept.

    Even Madame has completely isolated herself from our children and grandchildren. I haven’t spent this much continuous time with her in a long time and it was quite even romantic as we were laughing it was like another honeymoon…

    Holding hands while walking together and watching “La Mante” on Netflix in its original language...

    Then the owner of the apartment below ours called abruptly and tried to sell his… …after intently and sympatheticly listening, I politely rejected the “opportunity” and wished him well. Then of course, la jeune mariée beside me in bed inquired who called, and by the late evening, l'inquisition français began...

    Personally, I initially disliked the owner because he was the instigator of convincing Madame to investigating the new apartment project in pre-construction. (If you remember, I was quite attached to our old pied à terre and was stubbornly opposed abandoning it.)

    Anyway, after endless phone conversations and domestic debate, followed by intense negotiating because the owner is insolvent, I saw my doom in her menacing eyes as she's rarely been so insistent in our entire relationship.

    It's her decision what she wants to do with the new apartment in Viña...c'est la vie!

    I hope you are enjoying every moment of fatherhood. ¡Salud!

    Apr 01st, 2020 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No funeral is very hard, hopefully they can have some kind of memorial for your friend once all this is over. Everything is hard with the lockdown. I feel especially sorry for people who live alone because phone and video just don't replace seeing other people in real life. It's enough to drive anyone crazy. Worst thing for us is not being able to have family visit, it's such a shame they can't meet the baby, and I haven't met my new nephew yet either - my sister was going to visit, even my partner's father was planning to come from America.

    Glad you're enjoying your time with Madame Defarge, and I'm guessing you got a bargain on the second apartment. We have not been so lucky; the thing we feared has happened and our buyer wants to suspend the purchase until 'the whole thing is over' - whenever that might be. We were so close to finalising the sale, the timing is just atrocious. In every way this is the worst possible time this could have happened.

    Also, have you seen Jack Bauer posting recently? I hope he's okay.

    Apr 02nd, 2020 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Demon Tree

    The most important thing is the health of those you care about. No matter how delightful your daughter is, she will only be far more adorable when this emergency goes away and the world can get back to normalcy.

    I suspect Jack is probably highly engaged in the complexities of the economic shutdown and look forward to seeing his future comments. I completely sympathize the Brazilian challenge to save their economy.

    Something I've ascertained from this unfortunate pandemic is all the positive aspects. Observing the current situation of the people I know, I realize just how so fortunate I really am... The sudden unexpected death of my old colleague has reminded me never to take for granted good health of family and friends.

    Yesterday and this morning have been challenging, because the apartment owner needed immediate capital and needed legally secure the transaction, while the seller (during restricted curfew) coordinating with the bank, lawyers and all powerful notary public.

    He's living an over-leveraged strip-mall financial nightmare and saddled with massive antimony and childcare obligations due to two failed marriages...

    Fortunately his high-maintenance partner has Madame's taste in furniture as it all comes included with the sale. (He has a home in Vitacura and an apartment in Valle Nevado listed for a quick liquidation.)

    I'm just so content that I earlier advised all my employees to be assured of their income for the upcoming months, because we consider them to be part of our family.

    With the exception of la révolution française on Wednesday, I'm enjoying a romantic second honeymoon with la jeune mariée.


    Apr 02nd, 2020 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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