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Falklands Day celebrated with a presentation at FIGO in London
Falklands Day is the celebration of the first sighting of the Falkland Islands by John Davis in 1592 and is commemorated on 14 August. It was once seen as the National Day of the Falklands but has largely been replaced by Liberation Day which commemorates the end of the Falklands War. Read full article
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Aug 15th, 2020 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse +1Articles like this work like Kryptonite on the Malvinazis.
Aug 15th, 2020 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Pugol-H — TTWH
Aug 15th, 2020 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It drives Argentinians absolutely batshite crazy...
Well.......
Aug 15th, 2020 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I suppose that..., if we do completely ignore the inconvenient existence in the archives of many an ancient European or Mid Eastern city of all of those hundreds of maps and tons of documentation produced between the years 1501 and 1592.., drawn & written by unnknown..., unimportant and irrelevant Non Anglo seafaring explorers..., navigators and cartographers (like Amerigo Vespucci..., Sebastiano Caboto..., Fernão de Magalhães..., Martin Waldseemüller..., Piri Reis..., Francisco de Ribera..., just to name a few of them bloody Dagos...) decipting them “Insule delle Pulzelle”..., the ”Islas Sanson..., or whatever they fancied to call them windblown South Atlantic islands..., IT COULD INDEED BE ARGUED THAT the first recorded ENGRISH sighting of the ISLAS MALVINAS by Engrish explorer John Davis was on August 14th.1592 ...
Capisce...?
Stink
Aug 15th, 2020 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Engrish Pirates don’t claim the first sighting of the Islands, they claim the first CONFIRMED sighting, as they went back a year later and started charting the islands.
Others had reported sighting islands, which may or may not have been them.
“All of those hundreds of maps and tons of documentation”, and no proof.
No proof, no truth.
Insule delle Pulzelle was not the Falklands, Thunk. Tristan da Cunha most likely from its original position in Waldseemuller's 1507 map.
Aug 15th, 2020 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Sanson Islands were not the Falklands, Thunk. Most likely the Pinguino group of inshore islands and islets at 47 degrees 54 minutes South. Visited by Magellan, Gomez et al. They took penguins from there for fresh meat.
If there was a sighting before David, then the identity of the discoverer is unknown, the date is unknown, the ship is unknown and his nation is unknown.
Now, if you want charts?
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/charts/
Get it? Got it? Good ;-)
Suuuuuuure..., Copper...
Aug 15th, 2020 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I know you once did look at some charts..., until they got too close to challenge your Engrish needs...
Would you care to tell us... what does one find in them “geographical coordinates” recorded in 1592 by that Magnificent and World Renowned Engrish Captain Davis...?
Capisce...?
Geographical coordinates? “ isles never before discovered by any known relation, lying
Aug 15th, 2020 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2fifty leagues or better from the shore, east and northerly from the Straits”
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/1480-to-1762.pdf
August 14th, Davis is; “... driven in among certain isles never before discovered by any known relation, lying fifty leagues or better from the shore, east and northerly from the Straits...” [ John Jane quoted in The Falkland Islands, a Memoir, descriptive, historical, and political Robert Greenhow Hunt's Merchant Magazine vol.6 Feb 1842. Jane's account was published in 1600.]
“Iſles decouv. par Davis Anglois” [Mappe-monde, dressé sur les observations de mrs. de l’Academie royale des sciences et quelques autres et sur les memoires les plus recens Nicolas Sanson 1696.]
“Those islands called by us Falkland's, and by the French the Malouines, were first discovered in the year 1592, by Capt. Davies (sic), who went out the associate of the brave and unfortunate Candish (sic), and is supposed to have basely deserted him in that fatal voyage. Davis, however, was too distressed at the time to make any particular observations of these islands; nor did he even give them a name,..” [The Annual Register for the Year 1771 printed for J. Dodsley 1772]
“... while the explorer who is generally credited with a discovery may not have been the first to see land in that spot, the modern historian is bound to give credit only to those who have left more or less accurate records...” [ Hunter Christie 1951 p.29]
John Davis’s sighting of the islands in 1592 was the first to be printed – in 1600 the geographical writer Richard Hakluyt published a brief account of it by a member of Davis’s crew, John Jane, “a man of good observation”, as Hakluyt calls him.” [Pascoe 2020)
Rather better than anything you have. No?
Get it? Got it? Good ;-)
Rather better than anything I have...?
Aug 15th, 2020 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Nope...
“I know you once did look at some charts..., until they got too close to challenge your Engrish needs...”
Aug 15th, 2020 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Nope...
Sure I've asked this before, without response, but please let me know if I have missed any. Grown into quite a collection ;-)
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/charts/
As this never ending debate goes on — I am reminded of the saying:
Aug 16th, 2020 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If wishes were horses, beggars would ride...”
Stink
Aug 16th, 2020 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse +1Oops Mate, you’re seriously outgunned here, best you retire and live to fight another day.
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/charts/
Cozzer wot dun a runner to ladyboy land, haz got you banged to rights. Gov.
Considered your collar fingered, good and proper, meaning “not in a good way”.
You Danish “Slag, wot blue the whistle on the blag, u tnuc (back slang, go figure).
Ladyboy land? How many genders are there in Europe these days? I've sorta lost count.
Aug 16th, 2020 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1Thailand is the Land of Smiles ..... or so the wife tells me. ;-)
LGBTQ+++.
Aug 16th, 2020 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you admit to the “Cozzer wot dun a runner” part then!
Cum on, fess up, where did you stash the loot, the swag bag, eh?????
I wont say nufink, honest Guv!
Queen of Thailand I follow you on twitter and you are very active looking for people who speak about malvinas in twitter but you have very few followers, can I help you to get more followers?
Aug 16th, 2020 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse -2Thai Brexiter? jajajajaaj
STALKER ALERT!
Aug 16th, 2020 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse +2Gullible is off his meds again. The idiot boy needs close supervision .... and possibly a cattle prod.
Some people just can not face facts,
Aug 16th, 2020 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0ACABrummies...
Aug 16th, 2020 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse -2Suuuuuuure..., Copper
“Insule delle Pulzelle” are..., of course..., in your biased Engrish eyes...,Tristão da Cunha..., even if they kept “sailing Westward” in sucseccive charts...
Tell us then.. what are (in your biased British view...) those windblown spots on that 1522 Circvlvs Antarticvs Chart....?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHNfxfPW0AEjiva.jpg:large
- Oztralia and Kiwiland...?
- Or some of Pedro's lunchbox droppings...?
By the way..., flatfoot...
- There is a considerable difference between creating an useful and valuable “Historical Collection” and biased hoarding...
Capisce...?
Argentina’s Falklands claim is based on lies and misinformation .
Aug 16th, 2020 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse +3Evidence: Ruda’s UN Speech, the Basis of Argentina’s Falklands Sovereignty Claim Debunked (3 pgs): https://www.academia.edu/43652542/Rudas_UN_Speech_the_Basis_of_Argentinas_Falklands_Sovereignty_Claim_Debunked
Falklands Day.. It really is a celebration of the right of self-determination.. It is good to see passionate discussion about history and my goodness the case has been well argued by the Falkland Islanders, and in my opinion well made, for their right to be a self-governing nation. The referendum result to remain as a self-governing nation within British Overseas group of nations was comprehensively Yes... so Falklands Day is a celebration of self-determination.. all other South American communities please note.
Aug 16th, 2020 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1Stink
Aug 16th, 2020 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Anyway, what have the Danes got to do with all this???
Shouldn’t you be more worried about Trump’s right to annex Greenland, a Danish Overseas Territory???
And “Plod”, is the word you’re looking for.
Geeeeeee...
Aug 16th, 2020 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2- After all that Bumtious Bitter Brummie Copper Haughtiness above..., I Think we all need some humble & decent Northamptonshire laughts...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x73PkUvArJY
Enjoy...
Shut up you bloody stink...dont you know about the referemdum at british museum? 99.9% the yes won...of course british guards vote only and not the marbles
Aug 16th, 2020 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Billy Hayes
Aug 16th, 2020 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Yes, speaking of Marbles, you do seem to have lost yours.
Thunk, as in used to.
Aug 16th, 2020 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Those six dots are the Pinguino islands as discovered by Magellan. North of San Julian which is, apparently, the indentation on the depiction of the south cone. Where Magellan landed and took penguin meat. Now, the larger island off the coast is the one that attracts attention, but you know that as you have read my interpretation. Dr. Pascoe believes that the north coast of a large island is evidence of a Portuguese discovery in 1518/19. I do not accept that and believe that it is a misplaced northern coast of Tierra del Fuego. But you know that too. I also believe that the chart was started by Pedro Reinel but finished by Gomes after his return. It depicts as much as Gomes had seen and Gomes did not see the Falklands. He'd have mentioned it, both to the Valadolid judges and his mate Juan Vespucci who engraved the 1523 map. Nothing on there.
The provenance of that chart is disputed by the way. 1522 or later? Portuguese or Spanish?The problem then is that all the Valledolid enquiries into Magellan's voyage failed to get a single mention of islands 300 miles from the coast. All this you know, as you have visited the appropriate page in the appropriate paper. Here -
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/1480-to-1762.pdf
Now, I reissue the challenge. Which charts do you think I have missed. Not the one you refer to, certainly, which is here (i've had to miss the first bit off as MercoPres do not allow more than one link.
://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/1480-to-1762.pdf
So, if I am being biased, then I must have missed something off. What?
Get it?
Copper...
Aug 17th, 2020 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse -3The little time I still got left wouldn't be enough to point out 1/10th. of the things you missed..., willingly left out or directly twisted on your biased Engrishphile Malvinas/Falklands socalled “Timeline”...
Speaking about time and lines..., paraphrasing an intelligent German Jew... :
(Your) Time(line) is an illusion...
Capisce...?
Thunk, so you have nothing then? Thought so.
Aug 17th, 2020 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1I apologise for one error with the 2nd link I gave. The best magnification I could achieve is here - https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/1522-detail.jpg
Get it? Got it? Good ;-)
Copper...
Aug 17th, 2020 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Instead of trying sooo hard to get some recognition you know you won't get nor deserve..., why don't you just answer me above question...?
Remember it...?...:
- ***“ What does one find in them “geographical coordinates” recorded in 1592 by that Magnificent and World Renowned Engrish Captain Davis...?”***
A) The open..., empty ocean...?
B) The beach hiding Pirate Davis treasure...?
C) The beach hiding Pirate Cavendish treasure...?
D) The beach where Las Ketchup bailaaron Aserejé...?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMT698ArSfQ
Capisce...?
Answered already. Lost the ability to read, old man?
Aug 17th, 2020 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Coordinates?
“Isles never before discovered by any known relation, lying fifty leagues or better from the shore, east and northerly from the Straits”
Easy enough even for an old, and somewhat confused, Scandie .....
Now, how about those charts I am supposedly missing, old fool?
Get it?
The open..., empty ocean it is then..., copper...
Aug 17th, 2020 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2No Îles Sebaldines..., Malouines or Falkandines at such position...
Maybe the Engrish pirate meant the Islas Pinguino..., or Tristan da Cunha...?
Or maybe the Engrish pirate was lying through his theet..., as good pirates used to...
Fifty leagues = 150 miles.
Aug 17th, 2020 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Better = more
East and North.
Bullseye, old man.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/map.png
You got a baaaaaaad case here..., Copper...
Aug 17th, 2020 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -3The very same arguments you use to refute ~ 100 years of quite solid historical material from all over the World..., you use to confirm a pretty weak claim by an Engrish pirate...
putting it in Coppers lingo...:
- I Think you are trying to frame-up the rest of the World just to acquit Little Britain...
Capisce...?
And I think that you are talking through your rear, old fraud. It was a sighting, not a claim. The claim came with Hawkins, two years later in 1594. Not that it matters. Claims are of no consequence without effective occupation. Britain knew that, tho Spain denied it. Occupation would be 1766. Spain never did claim discovery of the Falklands. Not in all the arguments of 1770/71. Not once.
Aug 17th, 2020 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You need to read more, while you still have some wits left ;-)
Get it?
Good night, old 'un.
Angry and semantic young ex-copper...
Aug 17th, 2020 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I do excuse my unforgivable baaad and unclear Engrish and immediately try me best to fulfill your semantic needs....
“***The very same arguments you use to refute ~ 100 years of quite solid historical material from all over the World..., you use to confirm a pretty weak claim of a sighting by an Engrish pirate...”***
Happy now...?
Sleep sweet...
Quite solid?
Aug 17th, 2020 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Risible. The Davis sighting is generally accepted. Show me a previous sighting that is.
Now, about those charts you believe that I have missed out?
Up sooo soon...?
Aug 17th, 2020 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Having propros... ?
“The Davis sighting is generally accepted”...., by them Engrish..., ya mean...
Geeeee....,Copper... Your “Logic” always reminds me of a certain funny Engrish Pub Landlord...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Scz6zd1WDRs
Capisce...?
Early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy & wise.
Aug 17th, 2020 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Well, one outta 3 ain't bad.
Now, those charts that you imply I am hiding?
Got any?
Copper..., a proper dialogue implies that one reads what the other part writes...
Aug 17th, 2020 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I wrote “things” ... All charts are 'things“..., but not all ”things” are charts...
Don't ya put words in me mouth...!
Capisce...?
Time for me beauty sleep now...
And he swerves ...................... LOL
Aug 17th, 2020 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2More of a dive really, hoping for a foul.
Aug 18th, 2020 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Perhaps Argentina should focus upon its own serious troubles, which may be the social upheaval that will cause a mass dispuption of their society...
Aug 19th, 2020 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should stop bullying a peaceful population that has thankfull escaped their kleptomaniac claws and is thriving with a positive destiny...
First, let me sincerely say that I sympathize with my Argentine cousins — but as the song somewhat goes:
DON'T CRY FOR ARGENTINA...THE TRUTH IS YOU DESERVE IT!
As I've said several times — Latin America needs to adapt to the Swedish model and embrace a herd-immunity philosophy, because we cannot afford lockdown procedures that have the wealth to afford to. Wearing a mask with isolation for the entire public is unrealistic and fails to serve the needs of the working classes and the poor.
From an article linked below:
With the reform-minded business-friendly conservatives out, and the Peronistas back in power in Argentina, one of South America's biggest and most troubled economies is struggling to get back on its feet, bolstered by the promise of more rope from the IMF and the country's other creditors, despite arriving at its 3rd default in 20 years, and its 9th in history - the most of any country.
This unfortunate reputation has led some to joke that only three things in life are certain: death, taxes and another Argentinian sovereign default.
But as the country prepares for yet another refinancing thanks to the IMF, the government has revealed that the country's already damaged economy has been absolutely hammered by one of the world's longest, and strictest, lockdowns.
THE ARGENTINE PEOPLE HAVE JUST REASONS FOR PROTESTING!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/after-nearly-150-days-lockdown-argentinas-covid-19-outbreak-deadlier-ever
¡Saludos de Chile!
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