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Johnson prepared to breach orderly EU exit treaty: Northern Ireland and Scotland pledge to fight the bill

Thursday, September 10th 2020 - 08:30 UTC
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Britain on Wednesday readied to intentionally breach its EU divorce treaty with new legislation that critics warned would undermine its global standing and any hopes for an orderly exit out of the world's biggest single market. Read full article

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  • Livepeanuts

    The withdrawl agreement is not legally binding, the one being negotiated now is legally binding.
    The UK has never ceded sovereignty over its waters nor should it allow another group of countries to regulate its internal investments.
    If necessary UK freedoms should be protected by using the traditional military methods, the French should NOT have control of our waters! Nelson will be spinning in his grave if we do!

    Sep 10th, 2020 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ermmmmmm...

    Some Anglo Turnips should learn to read the plain Engrish of Her Majesty..:

    ***“ Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows....”***

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/1/introduction/enacted

    .......- Meaning the bloody thing is legally binding...

    Capisce...?

    Sep 10th, 2020 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • pc2020

    The UK is a pariah state, so no surprises here.
    Now Fatso and his minions are damaging the Good Friday agreement which means there is absolutely NO CHANCE of US-UK trade deal.
    Little britain will be more isolated than a psycopath

    Sep 10th, 2020 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Pugol-H

    Dream on fool.

    Sep 10th, 2020 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Don Alberto

    Not really surprizing. This is what you get when you vote for the one UK party, which has Donald Trump as their Prime Minister candidate.

    Livepeanuts, for once Shrinkbrain has got it right.

    The European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 is as legally binding as any tractate the UK has ever signed.

    The UK will range on the same level as Argentina, if Donald T. de Pfeffel gets his new law accepted by Parliament.

    Sep 10th, 2020 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Don Alberto
    Now steady on old chap, some perspective please.

    Even if (big if) any of this comes to fruition, I doubt it would put the UK on the “same level as Argentina”, not by a long way.

    Although the sublime irony of Argys complaining about “broken agreements”, is exceeded only by the amusement value.

    For the EU this is about retaining whatever control they can, it is their primary reason for negotiating in the first place, not really fish.

    As yet, threatening to give a Minister a power, to override a section of an agreement, at some point in the future, if he deems necessary! Does not “break any agreements”.

    Actually un-necessary anyway, given the mechanisms in place and “leeway” in the wording of the agreement, should the necessity for unilateral action arise in that area.

    This is a slap in the face and notice of what life can be like, when they really need to worry about passing a Covid rescue plan and if the Turks discover large gas deposits in Greece’s EEZ.

    This is after all a negotiation in progress, perhaps now it will sink in they are not dealing with Teresa May and will actually count what cards they now have in their hand.

    We shall see.

    Sep 10th, 2020 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pc2020

    Pugol en contra, you know NOWT. Try to do us all a BIG favour and shut the f**k up.

    Sep 12th, 2020 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Don Alberto

    Let's get this straight: The Withdrawal Agreement Bill passed its third and final reading in the House of Commons on 9 January 2020, with 330 in favour to 231 against. On 22 January 2020, the bill was passed by the House of Lords without further modifications. The Act was given Royal Assent on 23 January 2020

    Question: If both the House of Commons and the House of Lords have passed a bill, and it has been given Royal Assent, is it then UK law?

    Answer: Yes.

    Question: If a country signs an agreement in the form of at treaty, will the country then lose international respect if the country ignores the agreement?

    Answer: Yes.

    Sep 12th, 2020 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Don Alberto
    I say again:

    Even if (big if)”, I doubt it will be passed by Parliament as it stands, and the UK Gov knows that. What they are doing is “setting to scene” for arguments with the EU that have not yet happened, but will if there is no FTA and the Protocol comes into effect 1st Jan 2021.

    As yet, threatening to give a Minister a power, to override a section of an agreement, at some point in the future, if he/she deems necessary! Does not actually “break any agreements” in the present.

    The EU cannot take any legal action because no agreement has been broken, at this point, all they can do (which they have) is threaten to break off trade negotiations, which in the end they won’t do.

    Because this gives Boris his out, and they have serious reasons for wanting a deal, although they don’t like to admit it.

    The EU usually checks 3-5% of goods entering the single market, if in the case of N. I. they want say 50%, this would be “unreasonable” (agreement requires it is reasonable) and the Minister could “override it”.

    Also now the EU are threatening (unless UK agrees to follow EU regulations) not to allow UK food exporters to register with the EU for export certificates, which means irrespective of any tariffs, quotas or regulations you simply can’t export to the EU.

    A very surprising move given how large EU (particularly Ireland's) food exports are to the UK and how small UK food exports are to the EU, however should the EU then say UK food stuffs cannot enter N. I. (still in the single market), also a clear breach of the agreement, the Minister could “override it”.

    This is about how the Protocol is to be “interpreted” if and when it is applied.

    This is after all a negotiation in progress, however these are serious preparations for no deal.

    And as yet “no agreement has been broken”.


    Regards.

    Sep 13th, 2020 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Don Alberto

    I am not alone in my critique.

    Blair and Major blast Johnson over “shocking” plan in breach of international law, Theresa May has also questioned whether international partners would be able to trust Britain in future.

    Were I the EU chief negotiator I would simply declare the negociations ended - don't come to Bruxelles, it's a waste of my time.

    https://en.mercopress.com/2020/09/14/blair-and-major-blast-johnson-over-shocking-plan-in-breach-of-international-law

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Don Alberto
    I am not very comfortable with it, I must admit.

    However given the “approach” now being taken by the EU to these negotiations, I can see the need for it.

    It looks like Boris has the numbers and it will pass parliament, as to whether it is ever used (and only then is an agreement broken) will depend upon if the EU tries and “re-interpret” the Protocol, a breach of the agreement in itself.

    Frankly I doubt it now, if they do it will be clear who was telling the truth and the means are in place to deal with it.

    As for the Ex PMs, hard core remainers all of them, indeed that is why some of them became Ex PMs. The fact that Boris now has the numbers of (hard) Brexiteer MPs to get this through, shows you just how much the political landscape has changed.

    And why don’t the EU break off the negotiations then? No progress for months, and now this? No deal is so much worse for the UK than the EU?

    So why is Barnier still whinging like a tart who hasn’t been paid Frost won’t bend over for him, whilst carrying on regardless with the talks and wasting everyone’s time?

    Could it be they have serious reasons for wanting a deal, although they don’t like to admit it?

    Whatever, time is running out now by whatever deadline you use, and don’t bet on an extension, unless it is on UK terms.

    Regards.

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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