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Blair and Major blast Johnson over “shocking” plan in breach of international law

Monday, September 14th 2020 - 11:12 UTC
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Former prime ministers Tony Blair and John Major on Sunday said Britain must drop a “shocking” plan to pass legislation that breaks its divorce treaty with the European Union, in a breach of international law. Read full article

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  • pc2020

    Fatso is in deep sh*te now and totally isolated.
    This is the END of Fatso and the UK as we know it

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • NativeAngeleno

    The Conservatives, like the Republican Party re Trump, have enabled Boris' refusal to stay within his powers as he tests his abilities to run amuck like a tinpot potentate. The PM has clearly revealed to the world he is Britain's own Trump.

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Not only John Major, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Theresa May, and Gordon Brown have condemned the plan. So has - more importantly ,-) - Don Alberto.

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I support Boris Johnson's determination to break away from Brussels!

    John Major, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Theresa May, and Gordon Brown were all aghast when the majority of the UK voted for BREXIT and globalists were all appalled when Trump won the American presidency.

    If the UK remains to their democratic principals, the people will be vindicated in demanding their nation remains independent of progressive Eurocrat nonsense.

    Regarding the Americans, don't be fooled by the highly misleading news media and biased polls — Trump will easily win the upcoming election in November.

    The opposing democrat party has nominated a loser: https://youtu.be/rBWbSU2vDvc

    ¡Saludos de Chile!

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Livepeanuts

    The law national or international is nothing more than a tool to allow our society to develop, it is not a religion nor any other form of important belief, UK governments have been in the past far too close to Marxism for the good of the UK and when the questioned treaty with the EU was signed, a Marxist was actually writing the PM's letters for him, and not only that in those circumstances because the EU “chose” to read the unsigned letters forced on the PM by traitors and not what the PM really wanted to say in signed letters according to democracy.
    It is also expressed and clear that choosing Barnier and by Barnier's own words, he has admitted that he was going to use the Northern Ireland issue as a tool to coerce the UK during negotiations, which they were doing just fine until the “night of the oligarchs” on December 12th 2019 when the oligarchic traitors were swept to one side and democracy was re-introduced to the Commons and “the law” stopped being and expression of oligarchic abuse and a distortion of the will of the Sovereign Herself which was even bent and forced by the Supreme Oligarchs. Out of all this total degeneration of the legal processes thanks greatly to a corruption of the Royal Prerogative, this “treaty” was produced and inflicted on the UK, this “treaty” came out of all this!
    The EU fixed the process and timetable of the negotiations as well on top of all the above abuse and speculation!
    The remainer Theresa May said yes to all that as well and now she finds it fit to throw in even more pro-European arguments against democracy!
    If the border between the republic and the North is so important, then the border between the North and the rest of the UK is just as important and the EU should not be allowed to have sovereignty over that!
    The Political Declaration talked of a Canada style deal which has been withdrawn by the EU, the possiblility of no deal must be addressed.

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • pc2020

    In any decent country Fatso would be jailed for breaching International Law... but we are talking of Little Britain here.
    Now, Fatso has damaged the Good Friday Agreement, which means there will NOT be any FTA with the EU or the US and Little Britain.
    Little Britain + Fatso= what a magnificent combination...LOL

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Chicureo

    Boris is negotiating tough on Eurocrats trying to bully the working classes of UK.

    He is not VIOLATING any laws by protecting his country.

    The Prime Minister is going to succeed and will achieve the support from the USA.

    ¡Saludos de Chile!

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • pc2020

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 14th, 2020 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Pugol-H

    Ex PMs Club of Europhilic, hard core remainers, what else were they going to say?

    The fact that Boris now has the numbers of (hard) Brexiteer MPs to get this through Parliament, shows you just how much the political landscape has changed, since that lot were “put out to grass”.

    Just to be clear here, this bill becoming law does not break any agreements, the EU cannot take any legal action because no agreement has been broken, at this point.

    As to whether the powers in the bill are ever used (and only then is an agreement broken) will depend upon whether the EU tries and “re-interpret” the NI Protocol, a breach of the agreement in itself.

    Both sides are now sitting at the table with “loaded revolvers”, Barnier is still whinging like a tart who hasn’t been paid and just keeps coming back for more, doesn’t seem to want to Fuck Off, like a good little EuroTrash Frog.

    What can you do? Eventually it will sink in, BYE BYE, we are GONE now, no more EU in any form.

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    PC 2020

    We've enjoyed a free democracy here for thirty years...

    Interesting Argentine slang you're using... ...and we've been hearing Argentines endlessly wailing about being defeated since 1982.

    https://thedonald.win/p/3rzobkT/free-helicopter-rides/c/

    Did you know that it was the Argentine government that threw Marxists out of helicopters — where our military just executed them in firing squads...

    Argentines always do everything in a more dramatic way — including complaining...

    Enjoying a wonderful Viña Arboleda Carménère this evening.

    ¡Saludos de Chile!

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pugol-H

    Chicureo
    Hell, the Argys threw Nuns out of Aircraft over the S. Atlantic.

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Don Alberto

    @ Pugol-H, you write: “no more EU in any form”

    Let us assume that the UK wants to export someting, anything, to the EU, which rules will come into play, EU's rules or UK's rules?

    Let us assume that a UK citizens wants to travel to one of the 27 EU countries. Which rules will decide if he/she is allowed to stay, EU's rules or UK's rules?

    - and so on and so fort.

    No more EU in any form?

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    The EU needs the commerce and trade with the UK far more...
    ...Boris is holding the advantage and the Eurocrats are enraged that BREXIT will occur without the EU maintaining their claws grasped around the throat of the UK.

    https://thedonald.win/p/HEuZkvAf/english-but-true-from-churchill-/c/

    Rule Britannia!

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pc2020

    Whats your IQ chilote?
    -10000000000000000?
    The EU is the BIGGEST ECONOMIC BLOC ON EARTH, while britain is a tiny little island which produces NOTHING except criminals, hooligans and drunkards.
    We have to take into account that there will NOT be any FTA with the US either.
    The result is an isolated and impoverished Little Britain, even more than now.
    Goi it??

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    pc 2020

    Oh I would most certainly agree that you are of far superior intelligence than myself.

    I am nothing more than a simple campesino farmer that never had the advantage to study at a university perhaps like you have...

    ...perhaps if indeed, little Britain is not an important factor, the Eurocrats should let BREXIT without an agreement to proceed...

    After all, why should the Germans worry about selling automobiles to such a unimportant market? Same for the French, why should they care about selling their Champagne?

    I do know that Boris and Donald will sign a free trade agreement between their two nations in the coming future.

    But why should you care?

    ¡Saludos de Chile!

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Chicureo tells us that “The EU needs the commerce and trade with the UK far more...”

    Really?

    In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £300 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £372 billion (51% of all UK imports and a meager 6.2% of EU's import and 2.3% of the EU 27 GDP).

    For Germany, the figures are 6.6% of goods exports going to the UK, accounting for 2.6% of GDP., and for rance, the equivalent figures are 6.7% of exports and 1.4% of GDP. In 2016, services exports to the EU were 7.2% of UK GDP; for the EU 27 services exports to the UK were 1.1% of their GDP.

    Lookie-lookie: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/B573/production/_104915464_exptouk_percgdp-nc.png

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Don Alberto

    Thank you for sharing your highly accurate and informative data. Based on your knowledgeable and intuitive perspective, why then should the Eurocrats care if the UK leaves the EU without an agreement.

    I ask this from a democratic point of view where apparently the citizens of the UK voted twice to cut themselves away from the tentacles of Brussels.

    Doesn't the people have a right to determine their destiny? Isn't that the same conclusion Europeans have been preaching to the rest of the world?

    ¡Saludos de Chile!

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Of course the people have a right to determine their destiny.

    Have I suggested the opposite?

    The problem is that a large part of the countries in the world are so interwoven that they have to follow some of the others' rules exactly like the others. No one is an island is even more true today.

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Don Alberto

    Good to hear we agree to the democratic process.

    International cooperation and coordination are exceptionally important — but when the Eurocrats begin demanding unacceptable issues, the people have a right to say no.

    This BREXIT was not a decision made by politicians, but instead by the majority of UK citizens. Boris Johnson received a clear mandate by a democratic election.

    As the UK will be out of the EU — Brussels has the right to economically take retribution, but so does the UK.

    What we describe here in Latin America — “A Mexican Standoff”

    Boris Johnson also seems to believe that the USA will execute a tough realignment of trade agreements and the UK will favor better terms independently. Both Germany and France will find themselves in tough circumstances when Trump wins his reelection.

    (Disclaimer: Obviously, I'm assuming the Republican Party assumes the majority in the Senate and House, which goes against all the respected current political polls.)

    ¡Muchos Saludos de Chile!

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Don Alberto
    Really! I was talking about “which rules will come into play” in the UK, and who makes them. Ok, please allow me to rephrase that, no more EU in any form, in the UK.

    I agree with you, the “world is interwoven”, countries are agreeing common minimum standards/regulations, where they will notify any changes in advance for consultations.

    They are not insisting on the other party agreeing to adopt all future standards/regulations/changes, where they have no input into deciding the standards/regulations/changes, nor even consultation.

    You will note the UK/Japan FTA has all the “usual” non-regression and level playing field clauses, as will all future FTAs the UK signs.

    Your trade figures do not tell the whole story, typical BBC hard core remainers.

    https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

    The UK are some 18% of the total EU exports to non EU countries, second only to the US.

    https://

    commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851

    “Services accounted for 43% of the UK’s exports to the EU in 2019”.

    Most of which they will want to keep access to, especially all the big money stuff, the cost to them of not doing so would be eye watering.

    The EU must decide by the end of this month if clearing of Euro derivatives (used by all big and most medium sized companies) can continue in London, after Brexit (three month moving period required for contracts), UK breaking international law notwithstanding.

    Currently £150billion per day cleared in London, 90% of all Euro derivatives, some 7% of London’s business, most of the rest done in places like New York.

    Now you can do this business in the EU, however the economies of scale are such that moving from the world’s largest market, to the world’s smallest means the same product costs 5-10 times as much, ouch or what!

    Apart from fish, why else is Barnier still hanging round like a bad smell, when he knows he is about as welcome as a Fart in a Spacesuit?

    Regards.

    Sep 15th, 2020 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-TTWH

    I would add that Boris removes the UK from Trumps wrath when he attacks Europe on the serious trade imbalance and restrictive regulations.

    Clearly Europe is a serious target and he's already targeted the German auto industry.

    It's a “Mexican Standoff”, but Boris is holding a machine gun...

    ¡Saludos!

    Sep 16th, 2020 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Geeeeeee........

    It's soooòoooo chucklesome..., rollicking and facetious reading what the Flat-Earthers..., Turnips and Momios in here do opine over the (soon to be Des)UK and the USA waging “War”..., economic or otherwise..., against our United Europe...

    News today are that brainless Trump & Co. wants out of the WTO...!?!
    And here are them troops that brainless Trump & Co. officially and publicly support...:
    https://images01.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2020-09/russiantroops3000.jpg?itok=etYSQQ9q *

    * (Any of you Turnips above were ever any good at Aircraft Recognition...?)

    Chuckle..., chuckle...


    https://images01.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2020-09/russiantroops3000.jpg?itok=etYSQQ9q

    Sep 16th, 2020 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • RMN

    usual nonsence from pc2020 et al, though may I make a mention here of the fact that not everyone in the UK voted for Brexit, or for Boris for that matter.

    Sep 16th, 2020 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ms. RMS...
    Excuse me..., nurse... (Think timidly raises his hand at the back of the room)

    What is it..., precisely..., you consider soooooooo ***“usual nonsence from pc2020”***...?

    That he writes that...:
    ***“Boris Johnson has damaged the Good Friday Agreement, which means there will NOT be any FTA with the EU or the US and Little Britain...”*** ...?

    Well..., that is precisely the message the corresponding authorities of the EU and the USA have..., in written..., delivered to Her Majesty's government...

    Capisce...?

    Sep 16th, 2020 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Don Alberto

    Pugol-H

    I am afraid that the figures from your so-called “fullfact” link do not coincide with the real world.

    According to “fullfact” Denmark imports more from the UK than it exports. fullfact.org/media/uploads/Balance_by_countries_v2.png

    The real numbers are however
    Danish export to the UK: DKK 102 billion = £ 12.63 billion
    Danish import from the UK: DKK 82 billion = £ 10.16 billion

    I may be wrong, but where I come from, 82 is not more than 102.

    The figures are from dst, the official Danish Statistical Organisation:
    https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/udenrigsoekonomi/udenrigshandel/brexit

    Sep 16th, 2020 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Don Alberto
    Well, in the real world we generally compare figures from the same year, not two different ones.

    The point about the fullfact.org link is it shows the figure that is missing from the list you gave. A relevant figure when comparing the value/importance of the trade balance.

    If you go to the .dst.dk/da/Statistik/ site and scroll down, then click on the Export and Import down arrows, it gives you the historical data, you will see this year both have crashed.

    We are effectively starting from scratch in terms of trade figures.

    If you are going to have a hard Brexit and associated disruption there is no better time than when the single market isn’t really functioning anyway.

    Boris has agreed to a “Parliamentary lock” amendment to the bill, which means the powers cannot be used without a vote in Parliament first. It will now pass easily.

    Both parties now have loaded revolvers on the table, Boris’s has the safety catch on.

    No sign of the EU taking any court action yet, I note.

    Sep 16th, 2020 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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