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It’s time to dump Argentina’s Peso
By Steve H. Hanke – In addition to facing an acute Covid-19 crisis, Argentina's deadbeat economy is collapsing, and, as usual, the inflation noose is around Argentines’ necks. Argentina’s official inflation rate for August 2020 is 40.70% per year. And, for once, Argentina’s official rate is fairly close to the rate that I calculate each day using high-frequency data and purchasing power parity theory, a methodology that has long proved its worth when compared with official statistics. Today, I measure Argentina’s annual inflation rate at 37%, but probably not for long — the noose is generally followed by the trapdoor. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd yet Argentina still has illusions that they will take control of the Falklands?
Sep 28th, 2020 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotsboy1, 5 millons scotish people wants to control a territory without the 60 millons of english? And still has illusions of doing so?.
Sep 28th, 2020 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Leberato, no Scottish people or English or Welsh people want to control any territory. The people of the Falkland Islands are democratically free with their own government and institutions in place, they don't need British help to be democratic, they just need to be left alone from Argentina who wish to impose a foreign government and language upon them.
Sep 28th, 2020 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Why would the Falkland Islanders wish to be controlled from a country that can't even look after itself?
Yes, the Scots want their independence, they want to run their own territory, they have wanted independence for hundreds of years, they did not want to leave the EU but had no choice, they never had a choice, they are told by the people down South what, when and how it will happen and how they must run their territory. That is the long and the short of it. If Scotland can represent themselves in the World Cup as an independent country then they should be independent and remain in the EU as they wish to do.
Sep 28th, 2020 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scotsboy1, all those you mention ( the scottish, english and welsh people) wants to control their own territory, and in fact they do, mostly. Argentina also, wants to control its own territory. Thays why we still claim the return of the Malvinas islands.
Sep 28th, 2020 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“The people of the Falkland Islands are democratically free with their own government and institutions in place, they don't need British help to be democratic”
The people of the Malvinas Islands ARE british, ergo they need britain becouse they are part of it. There is not a self determined nor a self governed people living in Malvinas. There is a colonial regime in the United Nations process of decolonization.
jlt
Sep 28th, 2020 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they have wanted independence for hundreds of years”.
But voted against it in the last referendum.
The vote to leave the EU was a UK vote, not just a Scottish one.
Scotland does not have a veto over UK matters, that would be called minority rule.
How Scotland is run is decided by the Scottish Gov, hence the failing economy, health service and education, despite being ever increasingly subsidised by England.
Like it or not Scotland is out of the EU and unlikely to be able to re-join any time soon.
Liberato
The Falklands are not and never have legitimately been Argentinian territory, they have been British territory since long before Argentina ever existed in any form.
The UN say the “inhabitants” of the Non-self-governing territories have the right to self-determination.
De-colonisation refers to the administering power, not the population.
Or you Stinking Murderus Kurepi would have to give Argentina back to its rightful owners, the Native S. Americans.
Pugol:“The Falklands are not and never have legitimately been Argentinian territory, they have been British territory since long before Argentina ever existed in any form.”
Sep 28th, 2020 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You refers to those few years the british claimed, landed and settled on an already claimed landed and settled land?. They didnt controlled even Port Egmont not to mention the whole area. Nor they did any protest for the spanish complete administration of the place for the decades Spain were there. Nor they did protested for the argentine oficial claim in 1820. Nor they did claimed sovereignty when they recognized argentine independence.
The Malvinas Islands were never british before Argentina existed and are not british now with the current colonial regime.
“The UN say the “inhabitants” of the Non-self-governing territories have the right to self-determination.”
The UN says about the peoples, not inhabitants. There are inhabitants in the antartic continent, but i doubt they have sovereignty rights over the antartic for only “inhabit” the place.
Decolonization means decolonization. And the UN does not think the administering power is subjugating its own people living in Malvinas. Colonialism has many forms, one of those forms of colonialism is subjugating a people living in a territory. That is not the case here.
The aboriginals had no frontiers and no country. They are communities that suffered a lot of atrocities in the whole continent, Australia,etc. They are part of the argentine people and its pre existence cultural and etnics are protected by our constitution.
Comparing the Malvinas with the aboriginals its like saying we dont care if the Malvinas are yours becouse there were aboriginals living in Argentina before Argentina existed as a country. Well with that premise, somebody with a lot of guns and ships could start invading a large amount of nations worldwide.
The british are not exploiting or subjugating a “people” living in Malvinas.They are one people, exploiting argentine land.
Pugol, you make some good points, but you have also fallen fowl to a lot of nonsense. Yes Scotland does get subsidies from the UK government due to the barnett formula. However, I would like to remind you, or inform you, that by the late 70s the UK was economically on it's knees and it was the Scottish oil and gas industry that came to the rescue. The UK, literally had no reserves in the bank and if if wasn't for the Scottish oil and gas industry, the UK, including England, would have been an insignificant country off the coast of Europe. You're welcome by the way. Scottish oil and gas funded the UK economy right through the 80s, 90s, and early 2000's. Please remember that next time you decide to slag of Scotland. Yes, admittedly, the SNP have fucked up health and education north of the border, however, I believe health is not doing so great south of the border either, you have far greater waiting lists than we do by the way!
Sep 29th, 2020 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse +1Jit, you are trying to tell a Scotsman about my country, fool! Scotland is in a United Kingdom with the rest of the UK, we had a referendum in 2014 and we decided to remain in the UK, that is called democracy, something that Argentina does not understand which really surprises me given how many Argentines were tortured and died at the hands of your military government yet you wish to impose a foreign government upon a territory that has never belonged to Argentina?
Scotsboy1...
Sep 29th, 2020 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse -2You..., as a Scot are evidently..., well versed in Scottish history and reality...
I have three things to say to you...:
1) When commenting 'bout other Nations history and reality..., pls. Inform yourself..., don't just imitate them Sassenachs haughty ignorant stand..., Capisce...?
2) High time for an Indyref 2.0 in Alba..., don't ya Think...?
3)Alba gu bràth...
Yours..., Think, el Argie...
Scotsboy1, you said: “And yet Argentina still has illusions that they will take control of the Falklands?” as if an economic crisis makes invalid any sovereign right. As if African nations canot have sovereignty rights over its own territory just for being poor, or as if Scotish people have no right to their own territory just for being fewer than the english.
Sep 29th, 2020 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I have respect for Scotland and yet, you didnt saw the irony.
You think that the islands do not belongs to Argentina, and that we want to impose our government to a “foreign” land. But you also believe they are self determined and self governed and refuse to recognize the colonial situation of the Malvinas and the other nine territories under british colonialism, the sovereignty dispute, and the fact your closest ally, the USA, recognize only a de facto british administration.
You believe in democracy? great, comply with the United Nations resolutions regarding the islands decolonization and negotiate sovereignty with Argentina to end once and for all the colonial situation.
Think.
Sep 29th, 2020 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Thank you for your reply, I enjoyed reading it. I would like to address your points one by one if I may.
1. I understand very well the history of the UK. The UK was formed by the act of Union in 1706 by King James I of SCOTLAND. At the time, Scotland attempted to have its own empire which left Scotland near bankruptcy. The Union actually saved Scotland from economic disaster. Despite Pugol's ignorant opinion of Scotland, The Scottish did much to form the ideas of the British Empire and it's successes. The Scottish enlightenment gave the UK Capitalism, which was taken onboard by the UK PM, William Pitt the Younger and it was these ideas which allowed the UK to defeat Napolean and to transport capitalism to the rest of the world. During the 17th and 18th century, many entrepeuners were Scottish, Andrew Carnegie for one, who went to the USA with these ideas of free enterprise. There are many many more famous Scottish industrialists, inventors, and philosophers whose ideas shaped the UK, there you go Pugol, you're not so ignorant about the UK and Scotland now are you? THINK, also, most of the Falklanders are of Scottish descent, that's why I support their freedom over Argentine tyranny and incompetent RG governments, every day of the week!
2. Scotland had a referendum in 2014, it was free and fair. We were told it would be once in a generation. The UK has been the backbone of enterprise, freedom, and enlightenment for the last 300 years, it's best days are yet to come! I believe the EU's best days are over and now the UK can once again show the EU countries what democracy and real freedom are about.
3. See above examples.
Geeeeeeeeeeed..., lad...
Sep 29th, 2020 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Where to start...
You say...:
- ***“The UK has been the backbone of enterprise, freedom, and enlightenment for the last 300 years”***..., huhhhhhhhhhhh?
- Ya mean..., for example..., the Magnificent Engrish ENTERPRISE of sowing millions of acres of good Indian Colonial land to enjoy the Engrish FREEDOM of sailing the resulting hunders of thousands tons of Opium, through them British Waves, all the way to China for then..., forcibly, dearly and under Engrish Military Control..., making them Chinese enjoy Engrish ENLIGHTMENT by pushing that Shit on them...?
- NOPE..., I Think we better keep away from discussing such deeply dubious, dogmatic and contentious conducts the British Empire excelled at during its ~300 years of fulgor...
Now..., back to to the important stuff... Alba's upcoming Independence...
You say...:
***”We were told it (the referendum n.a.) would be once in a generation.“***
I say...:
Who told you that...?!?
Them British Politicians..., right?!?
Now... please keep in mind that them very same British Politician have..., very recently..., signed a Solemn Alimony Divorce Agreement with us 27 of their Ex Misusses and Hubbies...
A Solemn Alimony Divorce Agreement duly ratified by the British Parliament and Her Most Ilustruous Majesty..., our beloved Lilibet...
A Solemn Alimony Divorce Agreement that ain't no more...
Capisce...?
Besides..., mo bhalach..., I don't seem to remember them British Politicians specifically specifying they were talking about a ”Human Generation”...,right...?
Ya know how many generations Fruit Flies can be in 6 years...?
Again..., Alba gu bràth for ths bunch of ya..., High & Lowlander Scots....
El Think Patagónico*
* (Where there easily are 100 times more Scots than in the Malvinas/Falklands..., btw)
Think. I am not saying that The British Empire was all good, many, many mistakes were made. However, The British Empire created the modern world, there is no question about that.
Sep 29th, 2020 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Your question, who told us it was once in a generation referendum, the answer you're looking for is Alex Salmond, head of the Scottish government at the time. For someone who appears well educated, you seem to suggest that Scotland and being British is not the same thing? I am Scottish yes, but I was born in the British Isles, Britannia being the name for the Island that the Romans gave these lands. Therefore, your assumption that the British are English and the Scottish are Scottish is factually wrong. Whether you're born in Wales, England, or Scotland you are geographically British born! Your attempt at trying to divide the British people therefore, is not going to work.
There may be 100 times more Scots in Scotland, but how many Argentineans are there in The Falkland Islands?
Think. Please answer this question, honestly and truthfully. How do you think that the Falklands will ever belong to Argentina?
1. Some 3rd power(s) is going to take over the Falklands and give them to Argentina?
2. Argentina is going to take the Falklands by force or diplomacy against the will of the people who live there?
3. The Falklanders are going to hand over their sovereignty to Argentina?
I think even you will agree that all three above scenarios are extremely unlikely, scenario 2 is just plain absurd,therefore, you're fighting a lost cause. You seem an intelligent person, surely you must see it?
Mr. Scotsboy1
Sep 29th, 2020 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -21) Well, by typing: ***“The UK has been the backbone of enterprise, freedom, and enlightenment for the last 300 years”***
You somehow gave the impression that you were expressing that..., in your quite justifiable Anglocentric Worldview (you are an Anglo after all)...,that the British Empire was almost all good...
Me bad for having missed your highly developed Engrish sense of Overstatement...
2) I knooooow..., it was Alex that said it..., laddie...!
I did EXPLICITY choose to write...: “Them British Politicians”..., which..., OF COURSE..., includes Alex...
Or is it YOU perhaps sugesting that Alex ain't a “British Politician”...???
- Anyhow... I do know for a fact that them Engrish are Engrish and them Scots are Scots.... Nothing will ever change that... least of all a foreign vocable from them Dago Greaseball invaders from ~2,000 years ago...
Capisce...?
3) You are a funny Scot...
- You express above that you...: Support the freedom of some few Scottish descendents in Insular Argentina (Malvinas/Falklands) over them many Scottish descendants in Continental Argentina...
- Ya men that..., in your Anglocentric - Northern Hemispheric - WASP Reality Show there are actually First Class Scottish descendants and Second Class Scottish descendants...?
- I Think it is due time for me to repeat my very first phrase to you..., Scotboy...:
“When commenting 'bout other Nations history and reality..., pls. Inform yourself..., don't just imitate them Sassenachs haughty ignorant stand...”
Can't answer your last question ..., sincerely or otherwise..., because none of the few and oversimplified multiple choices you provide covers my humble opinion about the Malvinas/Falklands issue...
If interested..., you can trawl the MercoPress archives where I have expressed it several times...
Or, at least, try to learn a bit about the Islands 60's and 70's period...
Dreaming of casting my fly on a Free Scotland rivulet soon, I wish you a good day.
El Think
Scotsboy1: The british were, in two different occasion, at the door of recognizing argentine sovereignty and transfer the colony. One of those occasions, were under the government of Thatcher and to a military dictatorship.
Sep 29th, 2020 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Without to mention the transfer of Hong Kong to a communist regime, without even remotely thinking of a claim of self determination right to the inhabitants under the colonial regime in Hong Kong.
And even if we dont consider the above as possibilities for a future arrangement to end the sovereignty dispute. We could never consent a colony on our territory by a foreign power.
No matter if there is not way to get them back.
@“Liberato”, Hong Kong was Leased from the Chinese and when the Lease ran out the territory was Handed Back.
Sep 29th, 2020 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +2As for Argentina`s Claim to the Falklands that is a Non Starter as Argentina inherited Nothing from Spain ! Were is the Treaty which backs it up, Bearing in Mind when Argentina tried to Usurp Port Lois in 1829 Spain still had an active claim and did not recognise Argentina till the mid 1850`s. Lastly possession is Nine Tenths of the Law and the Islanders have Possession soooooooooo ! You Need Evidence to back your Claim and You have None!!!!
Liberato
Sep 29th, 2020 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The British first found the islands in 1592, then went back in 1593 to chart the Islands, making it the first CONFIRMED sighting of the Islands. In 1690 the British landed on the Islands and planted their flag, then 1765 they “took possession of the territory” and founded a settlement. At this point the issue of “sovereignty” was settled.
All long before Argentina ever existed in any form or any Spaniard ever set foot on the Islands.
The Falklands are not and never have legitimately been Argentinian territory.
OK, the “people” of the Non-self-governing territories have the right to self-determination.
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/Independence.aspx
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
You should note that Australians, N. Zealanders, Canadians and even Americans (USA) were all once British, yet have self-determined otherwise.
Scotsboy1
Don’t disagree with you in some respects, for 30 years Scotland was a significant contributor (although the Gas was English), which allowed Thatcher to do what she did (love it or hate it) and I don’t begrudge the money now going the other way, as this is how a Union works.
I don’t tolerate Idiots like jlt complaining their problems are caused by England.
You are correct our NHS is not perfect however we do not blame Scotland for that, lesson in that for you.
I was not slaging Scotland, I was slaging jlt.
“Pugol's ignorant opinion”, yet everything I have said is true, Oatmeal Savage.
P. S. It really was a shame about your education system though.
Dirk... In the Malvinas dispute, the UK refused to sit to the negotiation table arguing it is up for the people living there that have “self determination” rights to decide. In the other side of the world, there was a similar colonial situation, but the people living there, had not the same evolution as to have the same self determination right?. So what you mean is that the people in Hong Kong can not negotiate directly with China becouse they didnt evolutioned in the same way as the people in Malvinas to have the same self determination right?. Or is it, after all, a decision made in britain that decide whether a people have self determination right or not?.
Sep 29th, 2020 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -3There was no need for a treaty. There are legal basis to adquire de iure jurisdiction over a territory. To a res nullius (nobodys land) territory, a nation had to proves that it discovered and claimed and settled first to legitimate sovereignty rights. The british has none. They were not the discoverers. they were not the first to claim the land and were not the first to settle the land and did not protested for the complete administration for decades of the whole area by Spain and later Argentina.
They did not even controlled the little islands where they were hidden in 1765, less they didnt control the area either..
We, argentines as part and succesors of the spanish vicerroyal used the principle of possidetis iure of 1810 to claim for the territory. Even if the UK do not believe in such things. The british recognized in 1825 Argentina as a free nation, without claiming sovereignty over Malvinas that were, since 1820 in argentine hands.
Spain did not protested nor claimed sovereignty rights in 1829.
possession is Nine Tenths of the Law?. Great, becouse the british that never possesed the islands (before 1833) inhabited and administered by Spain and later Argentina for 60 years without a single british protest, we have all to win now.
Pugol, there is not space to proper respond you but read above. Cheers
Liberato
Sep 30th, 2020 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse +3https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/falkland-wars-1700-1850-1.pdf
Or many others, if you want to know the British version of history/legal argument.
However, this is not the point here, the Islanders have at least the same rights in that land as modern Argentines do to Argentina.
Not least that the UN say they have the right to self-determination, or you are all still Spaniards.
Even if your historical/legal argument were correct, it would still be morally bankrupt, belonging to a bygone era.
¡Saludos!
Pugol, that webpage does not represent the british position, nor its legal argument or even the british version of history. It is only made of tales from a fanatic or lunatic that creates hipothesis taken from his own mind and not by documents or historians.
Sep 30th, 2020 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse -3About your previous post, you said:
“The British first found the islands in 1592, then went back in 1593 to chart the Islands, making it the first CONFIRMED sighting of the Islands. In 1690 the British landed on the Islands and planted their flag, then 1765 they “took possession of the territory” and founded a settlement. At this point the issue of “sovereignty” was settled”
Wrong. Spain discovered the islands in 1520. Charting the islands or sighting them does not grant sovereignty rights at all. The british did not “took possession of the territory” becouse the territory was already taken in possession. The settlement they founded were hidden from the other prior settlement that had previosly claimed and settled.
there was no issue of sovereignty settled. The british had never any right or control over the the little islands they were in and being the second its the same as going now to France and claim it for the queen Elizabeth.
Nevertheless, Spain really controlled and administered the whole area for many decades, without a single british protest or claim of sovereignty until 60 years later britain protested for an argentine governor naming.
Thats history. The UK had zero sovereignty right. And you cant excuse with the right of conquest becouse our nations were not in a state of war.
About the UN. First, Im glad you use the term non self-governing territory.
Secondly, the UN talks about Peoples of the non self governing territories. The inhabitants of the Malvinas islands are not a people different to those living in the UK. Ergo, there is two side in this dispute and not three as the UK suggest.
Third, Hong Kong was on the same list of decolonization. Why they did not have the same right of self det.?
@“Liberato”, As far as sitting around a table to discuss Sovereignty We have No doubts as the UK had already Claimed the Islands before Argentina had even existed ! The Islanders have the Right in UN Law to Self Determination it is only Argentina that Denies them that right !
Sep 30th, 2020 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse +2Hong Kong was Leased from the Chinese the Citizens of that Territory Knew this from the beginning and since the Troubles that have arisen in that area the UK has Offered Citizenship to any Hong Kong People !
Your Claim that You don`t need any type of Treaty to inherit Spain`s Colonies has No Legal Ground Outside of Argentina, this is something that was made up in Your Country a bit like All People have the Right to Self Determination EXCEPT for the Falklanders.
But I will Admit You did Write a Very Amusing Story to try and Justify the Myth of Las Malvinas but do remember it is only a Fairy Tale made to entertain Argentine Children !!
Dirk, having claiming sovereignty before Argentina was a country, its different than saying that the islands were british before Argentina was a country. The islands were never in possession of Britain,
Sep 30th, 2020 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I know perfectly about the lease of Hong Kong. What im saying is that the british are playing dumb here.
They say they cant negotiate sovereignty until the people living in Malvinas tell them to, but at the same time, return Hong Kong to China without asking the people of Hong Kong becouse they “knew” they have to return it.
So this imply at least two options:
-That the people of Hong Kong had no self determination right becouse the people there knew the land had to be returned to China?.
-The self determination right have a limit and it can only apply if the UK consider the sovereignty belongs to them.
So if tomorrow the UK says im sorry we were mistaken and the Malvinas are argentines, there will be no more self determination for islanders?.
@“Liberato”, The Falklands are Not Leased but a British Overseas Territory, Hong Kong was Leased and mostly Populated by Chinese there was No choice other than to hand back Hong Kong at the end of the Lease as the Chinese were not prepared to extend the Lease.
Sep 30th, 2020 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2And there is No Chance the UK will give Argentina the Falklands ! Unless the Islanders Wish for it and that will Never happen considering how Argentina has treated them over the Decades.
Dirk, so no referendum for Hong Kong people?. So, for a legal obligation of the UK , there was not a people with self determination rights?.
Sep 30th, 2020 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -2So if the UK have or had a similar legal obligation with Argentina, lets say we gave them a lot of cows, the decision would end up in britain complying with its legal obligation and not in the islanders decision about the transfer of sovereignty?.
Just a simple yes or no is good enough.
Liberato
Sep 30th, 2020 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hong Kong was never on the UN list of NSG Territories, as the Falklands are.
Not hard to check this!!!!
https://en.mercopress.com/2020/06/12/falkland-facts-and-fallacies-a-new-contribution-to-the-falklands-debate
If you want a more “technical answer”, however the point remains the same.
It’s a moral issue, you cannot disposes them in the same way you did the Mapuche
Whatever fallacious historical and associated spurious legal argument you put forward, the Islanders have at least the same rights in that land as modern Argentines do to Argentina.
Not least that the UN say they have the right to self-determination.
Yours is a morally bankrupt argument, belonging to a bygone era.
¡Saludos!
Yes it was. Hong Kong and Macao were delisted from the nsgt list in 1972 by a decision of China.
Oct 01st, 2020 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse -1Yeah, Pascoe and Pepper will teach us about the islands. Like Roger Norton and the british fishermens administering Malvinas.
The truth we all know about:
-China has more power than Argentina. Thats why there was no “referendum” excuse by the brits, no self determination right and no “people” to consult its faith.
-Argentina has more power than mauritians. Thats how the UK knowing the islands belongs to Argentina were about to transfer sovereignty in two occasions having avoided doing so by claiming self determination rights to the colonist.
-And Mauricious, the less powerfull. were cut its sovereignty upon independence and were not alowed to return. The UK did not even had to mantain a colonial regime to grasp sovereignty through a “self determination” right.
You still did not explained how is it different for a population in Hong Kong, to be transferred to another nation without a referendum? and how on the other side, the UK refuse to negotiate sovereignty arguing self determination rights to the inhabitants of the islands?.
The british living in Malvinas do have self determination rights. But not there. That territory belongs to Argentina. argentines living in London also have self determination rights. But not in London.
@“liberato”, Hong Kong was Leased and was more to do with being run as a Business not a Settlement, Cheap Labour and Open Market in Asia and the Far East, a bit Like the Business Venture on South Georgia which was Operated by Norwegian Whalers they ran it so that all the Processing was carried out on land so they could Maximise the space on board there Ships to Transport the High Value Cargo and Paid the UK Government a percentage.
Oct 01st, 2020 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1The Falkland Islanders still have Self Determination Guaranteed under the UN Charter, and its there Land so therefore its there Island Laws that apply, and there is Nothing Argentina can do about it!!!
Dirk, i respect your opinion, but i dont think that a colony that was Hong Kong,with seven millon people living there, with a very relaxed inmigration policy, was run as a business. And a settlement of 3000 people, where its inmigration is controlled by origins (which means open for british and closed for argentines or south americans), would be run as a settlement.
Oct 01st, 2020 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1We all have Self Determination Guaranteed under the UN Charter, but it is only the UK that thinks the islands are theirs. Not even the USA considers that. And they're suppouse to be your closest ally.
link: 2009-2017.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/01/182294.htm
“We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands but take no position regarding sovereignty.”
This is the official status the United Nations grant to Malvinas:
link: www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/en/content/falkland-islands-malvinas
”The General Assembly’s subsidiary organ, the Special Committee on Decolonization (C-24), has been considering the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) since 1964. Following the C-24’s recommendation, in 1965, the General Assembly adopted resolution 2065 (XX). In recent years, the C-24 adopts on an annual basis a resolution devoted to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). ”
Liberato
Oct 02nd, 2020 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Still you persist with this.
Trying to make a historical/legal argument to dispossess a people who have more right to their land than modern Argentinians do to Argentina.
We have heard it all before:
“Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
— Julio Argentino Roca.
A morally bankrupt argument, belonging to a bygone era.
And you accuse us of being “colonial”, huh.
We gave this up a hundred years ago, but you still think like that.
Modern world, Liberato, get on board, or get left behind more than you already are.
Pugol, historical/legal argument is what we got, becouse we are evicted from there. We cant run an argument by our descendant in the islands becouse they were evicted to return.
Oct 03rd, 2020 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse -1Nobody wants to dispossess nobody from nowhere.
“We have heard it all before”
Yes, you had and still have, ten territories under colonialism in many different forms of colonialism, in this 21 century.
Whats have to do what Roca said with anything?. What Churchil said about Ghandi?. What Thatcher said about apartheid?. Where is the son of Thatcher by the way?.
There is not one case where Argentina is accused of colonialism. Read any or all United Nations resolutions regarding decolonization, and you will see almost all the world voting in favour and one or two nations voting against. Guess who is one of those two nations that vote almost everytime against decolonization resolutions.
Modern world? or past world for the UK?.
Liberato
Oct 03rd, 2020 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Still you persist with this.
No civilian population was “expelled” from the Islands, they had permission from the British to be there, only the garrison and associates were removed.
Of the 32 settlers, 28 chose to remain, the other 4 took ship to Montevideo.
In all ten cases they are still BOTs by the expressed will of the populations and can be independent or join another country, any time they wish.
In this case Argentina is accused of “colonialism”.
Almost all the world has repeatedly vote in favour of self-determination, no limits and no alternative.
Argentina and Spain have twice submitted resolutions to “limit” self-determination where there is a territorial dispute, voted down both times and a resolution passed to say “no alternative to self-determination”.
That is the real world.
Yours is a morally bankrupt argument, belonging to a bygone era.
Pugol: “No civilian population was “expelled” from the Islands, they had permission from the British to be there, only the garrison and associates were removed.”
Oct 03rd, 2020 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1OH yes, you got me. Those resident, Argentina and Spain must have knew that for 60 years the islands were british, but were so confident with their sovereign rights, that forgot to let the spanish and argentines know of their sovereign rights. Did britain showed them their plaque?.
“In all ten cases they are still BOTs by the expressed will of the populations and can be independent or join another country, any time they wish.”
The colonial power can name them BOT, BIT, BIT BOT, or claim they are independent or british sovereign territorie. It doesnt change the fact they are non self-governing territory with colonial situation in this 21 century. And without to mention, again, that the USA only recognize a DE FACTO british administration of the territorie. DE FACTO is the contrary to DE IURE?].
“In this case Argentina is accused of “colonialism”.”
By the colonial power only, isnt that right?.
“Argentina and Spain have twice submitted resolutions to “limit” self-determination where there is a territorial dispute, voted down both times and a resolution passed to say “no alternative to self-determination”.”
Did you read ALL resolutions regarding decolonization?. I think, somebody forgot to make their homework.
“Yours is a morally bankrupt argument, belonging to a bygone era”
I get it, Argentina is in bankrupt. But the UK remains being a colonial power administering the islands with a colonial regime.
Cheers.
Liberato
Oct 04th, 2020 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse +1“OH yes, you got me”, of course, the weight of history and evidence is against you on this. Is the simple truth.
No “plaque” involved, they were encouraged to stay but could leave if they wished.
You are half right, it doesn’t matter what you call the BOTs, the fact is they have the right and the means to decide their own future, whatever that may be, at whatever time they choose.
Don’t know what more the UK, as “the administering power” could do.
As to whether they are Non-self-governing, why don’t you ask them????
After all, isn’t that what this is all about????
They are “online” you know, “seek and yea shall find” says the Bible.
I have clearly read more resolutions than you have, as you obviously didn’t know they existed, I recommend you read UNGA resolution 2065, but read all of it.
The world (well much of it at least) has accepted “self-determination” as a fundamental right, your argument is entirely based upon removing that right.
From a people that have at least the same rights to that land as modern Argentinians do to Argentina.
Yes Argentina is bankrupt, but do you not think this has something to do with Argentinians themselves, surly it cannot all be the work of the “Engrish Pirates and them cipayos”, can it????
¡Saludos!
Pugol: “As to whether they are Non-self-governing, why don’t you ask them????”
Oct 04th, 2020 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse -1You mean to ask british colonialist if they are british or if they are colonialist?. I should rather ask the descendant of Malvinas Vernet, that must be counted for hundreds if not thousens now that lives in continental Argentina.
Anyhow, i dont know the actual composition of the colonial regime, but as i have always saw, the mayoritie of members were always born in the UK or the other bots.
I tell you what, make a list with all the names of the executive, legislative and judicial power members and lets see if they are originated in the islands, Argentina or the UK. Like the idea?.
If you want i can do the same with Malvina Vernet.
Liberato
Oct 04th, 2020 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1This would be the same “Vernet” who wrote a series of letters to the UK Gov, asking permission to found a settlement in the Falklands, which he recognised as being sovereign British Territory, that “Vernet” yes?
Permission which was granted conditional upon him upholding British Sovereignty.
I did tell you the settlers “had permission from the British to be there”.
Self-determination means the peoples of the BOTs can decide to remain British, it is their choice.
It is very simple, they have the right, in law, and all necessary means to decide their own future, whatever that may be, at whatever time they choose.
Don’t know what more the UK, as “the administering power” could do.
You continue to deny their rights to decide their future or even speak for themselves, on the grounds they may not be indigenous to that place, although many of them are the first inhabitants of their territory.
As you are not indigenous to Argentina, you do not have the right to self-determination there, in your argument you must still be Spanish.
They have at least as much right, more in most cases, to the territories they inhabit as modern Argentinians do to Argentina.
¡Saludos!
Dearest Güeón,
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Here in Chicureo, this evening's meal was chicken cordon bleu with dijon cream sauce, honey glazed baby carrots and butter sautéed home garden rapini — accompanied with ma mariée enchanteresse favorite Viña Casas del Bosque Reserva Sauvignon Blanc.
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Cheers!
Chicureo Pervert, Psychological Transferee, Malignant Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & Spam King
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Is that better?
Did you get any on you jackoff?
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