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Scholarships for Falklands' alumni to continue their graduate and postgraduate studies in Argentina
Argentina has launched a program of scholarships for Falkland Islands' students, who “have the full right to access the Argentine national education system”, announced Daniel Filmus, head of the Malvinas and Antarctica Department, and Jaime Perczyk chairman of the Ministry of Education University Policies. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt would NOT be in the 'interests' of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands to have anything to do with Argentina. The Argentine way of life is alien to them.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2Does anybody know of a faster way of getting Covid 19 - other thanperhaps a Brazil night club?
Jun 21st, 2021 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse +1Do so hope they wont be over dissapointed at zero uptake.
If anybody should apply for this he or she of course would be extremely well received in Argentina upon arrival. Big media coverage greeting this “Argentinian” “heim ins Reich”. Something like western defectors in the USSR at the time. But in order to come to one of those universities the student of course must have an Argentine ID card stating that he/she is an “Argentine citizen” residing in “Puerto Argentina” in the “Islas Malvinas”. He or she would be exploited in various propaganda stunts all the time. Sr. Filmus and perhaps even the president of Argentina will come down to be photographed together with this “fellow Argentinian”.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse +4A sea of culture separates us, Islander1. And, personally, I hope this separation is eternal!
Jun 21st, 2021 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt6ani36Yu0
Brit Bob, you said :“ The Argentine way of life is alien to them ”. And i would add the South American way of life is alien to them. And thats the perfect definition of their colonial situation. Thank you!.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Islander1, Brasil has 200 millons of people. Did you expected them to have less covid cases than the UK?. Or Malvinas with 3000 residents?.
Swede. Before the war, Islanders were having their studies in mainland Argentina and were medically treated in argentine hospitals. They also were having argentine teachers that traveled to the islands to teach them spanish without getting permision to reside there. And even were about to be permanently part of Argentina on several occasions if it were not for the ......Colonialism where the feudal FIC (that owned 90% of the land) made lobbie in england to dilate conversation of the transfer of sovereignty.
Liberato
Jun 21st, 2021 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Argentine way of life is alien to them but only Argentina wants to colonise the Falkland Islands.
Lets analise that. If Argentina wants to colonise the islands, what you mean is that they are not a colony. But the problem is, that, For the United Nations, the islands are already in a colonial situation. And, for the world, Nobody in their right mind (except the UK), accused Argentina of colonialism. Ever.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Liberato
Jun 21st, 2021 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Aren't you aware of Argentina's colonial ambitions regarding the Falklands? Tut tut.
Brit Bob, the world isnt aware. If you want i can send you the link to the list of territories to decolonize. There are 10 under british colonialism.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1How should you “decolonize” e.g. Pitcairn with a population under 100 persons? That list is totally absurd. There should be referendums in all NSGTs. If the people in such a territory want to stay under the present “administering power” it should be delisted. But to hand over a territory to another country without the consent of its population is just creating more problems.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Swede, it seems you have no idea of the concept of decolonization or the definition itself of colonialism. Do you think it means removing those 100 persons or continue under colonialism?. Besides, it is the UK who says in the Malvinas case, that the numbers of the people there should no matter. What? now it matters?.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You says there should be referendums in all NSGT. There should be. But first, you have to makes sure there is no sovereignty dispute. Becouse some colonial power .....could use the old tactics of invading a foreign land, expelling its population, putting their own people there, mantaining the status quo on inmigration and then claiming self determination rights. Sounds familiar?.
When I was young the decolonization process was in full swing. In most cases the former colonies became independent states, such as Algeria, India, Kenya etc and in the seventies finally Angola, Mozambique etc. In most cases the majority of the peoples of the colonies were pro-independence and it had often been war an political struggle to achieve independence. I think that is the “concept of decolonization”. No countries or peoples should be ruled by another country or people. But the few remaining NSGT:s, overseas territories, colonies or whatever you call them have voluntarily kept the bond to the “mother country”. They are often too small or too vulnerable to became independent states. Some of them, such as South Georgia, have no permanent residents at all. They could of course not become independent states. But why on earth should it be turned over to Argentina? But this is a bit off-topic.
Jun 21st, 2021 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Swede. Those cases you describe are the most common form of colonialism that consisted in subjugating another people that obviously will struggle to achieve independence. There are many other forms of colonialisms. In the case of the Malvinas its different, the UK, did not subjugated the whole Argentina. They tried tho 20 years before invading Malvinas. But instead in 1833 they took Part of Argentina, and mantained the colonial situation to these day, evicting all these years the natural development of inmigration, making one of the smallest population and biggest landlords for the feudal company that still control life in the islands. .
Jun 21st, 2021 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Other form of british colonialism is the one apllied in the Chagoss Islands. They separated Mauritius from Diego Garcia before granted them independence dividing the People in two.
Other form of colonialism applied in Hong Kong, where most of the territory was ceded to the UK in perpetuity by China, but no referendum on self determination was made to the people living there.
So, one thing is for sure. There are still 10 territories under british colonialism in the UN process of decolonization, and being so naive like you to think that the only form of colonialism is the one where the uk subjugated the african people is dangerouse. Becouse it means no matter how modern society is, or how rich a country is, people are managed so easilly as those time of the colonial era.
Wow! Once a brainwashing fantasy is planted in a young person's mind, it is in there like concrete!
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1Some short-lived temporary trespassing almost 200 years ago doesn't mean anything. Only the trespassing soldiers were removed anyway.
How many thousands of times does that fact have to be stated?
The Falkland Islands belong to the Falkland Islanders. They decide how they want to live.
Argentina (after it was stolen from the indigenous people), belongs to Argentines. They decide how they want to live.
The original owners in Argentina are subjugated and mistreated. They don't get to determine their lives.
So:
Argentines decide how they want to live, and the Falklanders decide how they want live.
Which part of that don't you get?
If you decide how you want to live, AND you decide how they will live, you are a colonizer.
You don't get that, do you?
Argentines are the naive modern colonizers that don't see that they are the new colonists.
Argentines are the dangerous new colonizers that want to manage another people.
The Argentines stole land from Chile. Are they going to be honest and give that land back? No. Actually, they were going to try and steal more land from Chile.
They subjugated the indigenous people of the south also. Did they get a referendum? No, they got slaughtered.
The fantasies an Argentine will come up with to steal from someone else are amazing!
The Falkland Islands “issue” of Argentina is just more old school, backwards, land-grabbing imperialism.
The Argentine land-grabbing is the devious “new form of colonialism” you are speaking of.
And you accuse others of being naive and ignorant.
bushpilot
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2So, resuming. you think that what i said about Malvinas its a lie, product of the brainwashing system my government apllied to me in school, right?. But what about the other nine others remaining territories under the UN decolonization process?. Or the colonial situation in Diego Garcia?. Or what about Hong Kong?. How many forms of colonialism do you think exist? If you think there is any?.
Hong Kong isn’t part of the UK anymore…
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0And anyway the NSGT list isn’t important at all due to the fact it’s made by a UN committee that is made up of members who actively hate Britain and France… Pitcairn island has ~50 people and cannot become independent because they quite literally can’t support themselves.
And Hong Kong oh boy, they didn’t get a referendum because at the time we took them it didn’t even exist as a city or a settlement plus it was a war gain…
British Indian Ocean Territories I agree the Chagos islanders need to be returned but many of them still wish to be part of the UK and not Mauritius.
Has anyone spotted the problem....the students in the Falklands don't speak Spanish.
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse +3Let's kick the can down the road a little further.
Well, I think they learn it at school. If Argentina had been a “normal neighbour” perhaps some of them could have studied there. But as far as I known Argentina is far out of their “comfort zone”.
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2Liberto
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1Yes Pitcairn with their 60 residents are on the list. Is Pitcairn to decolonise?
The UN already dealt with this problem in 1970 - In 1970 only small territories remained to be decolonized, so the UN decided that these territories could remain as long as this was their free choice. (UNGA 2625 de 1970).
But I’ve already told you this. I can only assume that you have learning difficulties.
Looks to me like the only brainwashing artifact is the british one. Even senior royal members, former king, princess and prince tried to scape, sadly with different lucky fates...
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina hasn't got any positive result yet from your so called brainwashing machine
@Liberto
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse +1Please do remember that Hong Kong was Leased from China, when the Lease ran out in the mid 1990`s the territory was handed back ! so make a note of that.
Next the UK established a settlement in 1765 on the Falklands more than 50 years before Argentina attempted Usurpation in 1829.
Next Spain was still Claiming Port Louis till about 1835 so much for We inherited Spain`s South American Colonies.
Try going to the Official records offices in Buenos Aires or Madrid and check the documents yourself and don`t just rely on the FAKE School books that you read as a Student.
My books said that british were not the first to see the island, were not the first to settled people there or create a community, they were stablish hidden from french who had stronger presence at the time and by treaty signed by the kingdoms of Spain and Uk, the last could not take any advantages nor settled in the Southamerican coast. But we all know how bristish respect the signed agreement haha, (ask for the NI protocol as sample). So Uk has not legal or historically rights written on stones about this issue. Moreover, if the 3000 people of the island were so important, almost to pull the destiny of the whole UK, why the government give the independece 100 years ago? Easy....becaaaause it is a colony. Now its trying to imaginative, find 'democratic' ways to keep somehow the claw there...
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Zaczac121, Naaa, they dont hate Britain and France!!!. It is the natural response of colonial powers to decolonization. It is like a murder think that the judge that sentenced him, hate him. So it gives you that impression but it is not personal. Colonial powers tend to have some dificulties letting colonialism go.
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Brit Bob, There are several resolutions related to Pitcairn. And nobody said their future is without the UK. When they meet the conditions to be delisted, they will be. They have selfdetermination rights but it doesnt mean they are currently exercising it.
Dirk Dikkler, Part of Hong Kong was leased. And part was ceded to perpetuity. What i remark is the double standart. If the wishes of the inhabitants are paramount regardless of sovereignty disputes, they should have been consultated. Same with Chagossian.
The settlement the british established in 1765 was over a territory already colonized, settled
and claimed and was abandoned in 1774.
What about Spain?. Show what you got.
I was a student like 35 years ago. And the only thing i remember about Malvinas was a geography class. Damn, i forgot the indoctrination class.
Speaking of indoctrination, i dont know about you guys, but it is really funny to me to hear every time you guys call Argentina a “new colonialist” or a “land-grabbing imperialism” like Bushpilot called us. Or when Cameron called us that way. I laugh at my guts. So thank you!.
@ Liberto
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The British settlement was not completely abandoned as Britain had one or two active conflicts the Settlement was put on Pause until the Troubles were sorted.
As for the Provision of evidence I could ask the same of You? The Sovereignty that Argentina claims is from ASSUMED inheritance from Spain ! there is NO documentation to back it up ! I can assume that I will inherit Brazil but I have No evidence for that ! ASSUMTION is such a Big word with No real meaning.
Liberto
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refer to my answer above.
Resolution 2625 XXV 24 Oct 1970
Resolution 2625 XXV 24 Oct 1970 UNGA 2625 (XXV). Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - The principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples determination of peoples (Sub heading 5, para 5). The establishment of a sovereign and independent State, the free association or integration with an independent State or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.
One and one and one is three.
Dirk Dikkler, the british settlement was completely abandoned in 1774. Even destroyed by Spain that was the only power to control the whole area (including Argentina) for over 60 years without a single british protest or claim.
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Uti possidetis iure is used worldwide. But nevertheless. If you dont believe in inheritence, the british invaded a territorie that was not res nullius, in other words. It was not nobodys land. Assuming the british did not received the official argentine claim of 1820 that took formal possesion of the territory by Jewet or the recognizing of Argentine independence without claiming the islands that were on argentine hands. The british at least knew the islands were administered by Spain for almost 60 years.
It was so evident, that many times british polititians have recognized the situation and many others were willing to transfer its sovereignty many times.
Brit Bob, we are all included in that resolution. We all have selfdetermination rights. We all have those options. What we dont have, its a selfdetermination right over somebody elses territory.
Let’s all agree if we were to give the islands to the first country that claimed them, the Falklands belong to France.
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, becouse France recognized Spanish prior sovereignty right.
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I refer to the answer already provided in respect of Resolution 2625 XXV 24 Oct 1970. Do you want it in bigger letters?
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@liberato I said to the *first* country that claimed them not who still claims them you tit…
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And anyway Britain colonised West Falkland about a year after France and that’s when East Falkland became part of Spain and they demanded we leave so we left (we had suffered for a bit at the time thanks to the yanks) but we left a plaque with our claim to the islands on it…
I don’t like circular arguments since we get nowhere so Liberato… Let’s agree to disagree that the people on the islands right now have every right to be there and have self-determination in the same way Argentinians do. Both the islanders and Argies were placed in there lands by the same thing: Colonialism don’t wittle down one group’s rights because of a political goal since you are dehumanising very real people.
Brit Bob, sorry, i didnt followed all cases of the c24. You said :“Yes Pitcairn with their 60 residents are on the list. Is Pitcairn to decolonise?”
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course. How did Pitcairn got in the decolonization process of the UN?.
Then you said: ”The UN already dealt with this problem in 1970 - In 1970 only small territories remained to be decolonized, so the UN decided that these territories could remain as long as this was their free choice. (UNGA 2625 de 1970).“ Nope
And also said: ”The establishment of a sovereign and independent State, the free association or integration with an independent State or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.”
Right, now i ask you. How do you know what kind of relationship Pitcairn inhabitants choosed?. There was a consultation?, a UN sponsored referendum?. How?. Or their colonia l power said they choosed to be a BOT?.
Zaczac121, we better agree to disagree. But for sure, if the Isle of Wight would be right now in the UN's colony list under an argentine or russian colonial regime. It would be a total different deal, i tell you that.
Whatever the case, According to the United Nations, seventeen territories remains under a colonial situation, ten of them under british colonial administration.
Liberato
Jun 22nd, 2021 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0‘the old tactics of invading a foreign land, expelling (exterminating) its population, putting their own people there, mantaining the status quo on inmigration and then claiming self determination rights. Sounds familiar?’
Yes, that is the history of most of S. America, especially Argentina, ‘the whitest country south of Canada’, as one of your (many) military dictators said.
‘What we dont have, its a selfdetermination right over somebody elses territory.’
Exactly, now you get it, you cannot interfere with the Islanders (inhabitants) ‘inalienable right to self-determination’.
Eh, Kurepi Planter.
Free Patagonia, arm the Mapuche, one Planter one bullet.
The problem with the Isle of Wight analogy is that it’s completely wrong… The Isle of Wight is literally just off the coast within eyesight even on a bad day and has been English since the 900s you can’t compare two islands that have vastly different histories and circumstances by adding “if it was ruled by Argentina or Russia” since that would never of been the case *Isle of Wight is so close to England and is small enough that most map-based games class it as part of Hampshire anyway*
Jun 23rd, 2021 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ltiberato- who invaded and threw out the inhabitants and when? If you mean 1833- do please lookup your Naval Archives- its all in there- the facts- not the fiction put out by your politicians:
Jun 23rd, 2021 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Facts: The British Commander invited all the non-military civilians who had been at Port Louis to stay in and carry on their lives- so long as they accept British Laws and Rule. ALL bar 2 couples(1 Brazilian and 1 Uruguyan) volunteered to stay on and did so.
The only people ordered to leave were the militia and their families - and they had all only arrived a few months earlier anyway!
Indeed the gravestone of the last one of those who volunteered to stay- a lady of Argentine origen- can be seen in Stanley cemetery today dated 1865.
Your Naval Archives will list all the names of who left and who stayed on.The Royal Navy Archives in England also has the same list.
Britain has never evicted any civilian population from the Islands- not in 1765 nor 1833- just military in 1833 - and again in1982.
No whose military did a good job of evicting and wiping out the civilian natural population of Patagonia in the 1850 and 1860s?
In the case of
Jun 24th, 2021 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Falklands, the current population has its origin not in the occupation of a terra
nullius but in an armed aggression by the United Kingdom that displaces the Argentine authority from the islands and expels its inhabitants to replace them with a
foreign population, imported from Great Britain.
After the war of 82, the English story was modified focusing rather on the supposed “right to self-determination”, Of course, not putting this to evaluation before an international court or an arbitral tribunal (because they would lose).
The only thing we know in these last 200 years is that Great Britain changed its version of history several times, while Argentina maintains the same claim.
The Falkland Islands are considered an integral part of Argentine territory, under occupation by an invading power.
We consider having precedents to prove this before an international court. Mainly we can prove that the invasion of 1833 is not an isolated case, but that it is coupled with the attempted invasion in Buenos Aires in 1807 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate)
and the atack of 1845 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate)
During the United Kingdom occupied Buenos Aires for 6 months trying to colonize it as they later did in the Falklands.
and he cared very little about the right of self-determination, which in that case if it was real.
It seems that they forgot to mention Those historical antecedents of attempts to colonize Buenos Aires, which coincidentally coincide with the period in which they occupied the Malvinas in 1833
Of course we are not stupid and we understand that this UN thing is a circus, and that the world is still ruled by arms.
We only make sure to keep the sovereignty claim open, so that your children, grandchildren and future generations are born under the shadow of a nation that maintains an open sovereignty dispute.
And with the risk of being under constant th
Argentine citizen
Jun 26th, 2021 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0‘expels its inhabitants’, oh no, no civilian population was expelled, only the military garrison. The settlers had permission to be there, the UP military did not.
The British claim to the Falklands (indeed the rest of the S. Atlantic and Antarctica) is much older than Argentina in any form.
‘the Islands have never legitimately been administered by, or formed part of, the sovereign territory of the Republic of Argentina’.
‘The land which now forms the Argentine province of Tierra del Fuego, of which the Republic of Argentina purportedly claims the Falkland Islands forms a part, did not itself form part of the Republic of Argentina until approximately half a century after 1833’.
British operations in the River Plate area in 1806-7 were against the Spanish colonial Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, part of the ‘Napoleonic wars’, Fuck all to do with Argentina today.
In today, for the Falklands, self-determination is the only issue.
Argentina is a S. American country, not a S. Atlantic or Antarctic one.
Unlike Atahualpa or the Mapuche, the British have more than just sticks and stones with which to defend their territory.
Eh, Kurepi Planter.
@Pugol-H
Jun 28th, 2021 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quote1: British operations in the River Plate area in 1806-7 were against the Spanish colonial Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, part of the ‘Napoleonic wars’, Fuck all to do with Argentina today.
the English invasions of 1807 and 1806 are a precedent of attempted colonization of a foreign civilian populationIt does not matter that it was under Spanish rule.
Besides, between 1845 and 1850 the United Kingdom attacked again, when Argentina was already a sovereign country, carrying out a massive attack on the Rio de la Plata with ships and an entire invasion force.
All of these are events related to the invasion of 1833, and occurred in the same period of time.
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