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Game over: C14 resolution ignores Falklands' pleas and again calls for a bilateral dialogue Argentina/UK
The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization, C24, addressed on Thursday the annual Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty question, which once again concluded with an appeal to the governments of Argentina and Britain to resume dialogue with the purpose of finding, in the shortest time possible, a peaceful solution to the controversy. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Same procedure as last year”. Is this really meaningful? “To resume dialogue with the purpose of finding, in the shortest time possible, a peaceful solution to the controversy.” There could of course not be any “peaceful solution” as long as Argentina has a constitution including the following words: “The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.” From the Argentine side there is nothing to “resume dialogue” about, but pure technicalities such as the date and procedure for the takeover. Everything else would be against the Constitution and could of course not be accepted by an Argentine delegation. On the other hand is Argentine “non-prescribing sovereignty” naturally not accepted by the Islanders. So there is nothing to do. This charade must go on as long as this C24 Committee exists. Pure waste of Argentine, British and Falkland taxpayers' money.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse +6Game over my ass, by all means sit down and talk to the Argentinians but tell them sovereignty is not on the table and never will be as long as the islanders want it,
Jun 25th, 2021 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse +6The role of the UN Special Committee on Decolonization
Jun 25th, 2021 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse +2The Special Committee on Decolonisation (known as the C24) was established by the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in 1961, to oversee implementation of the 1960 UN “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” (UNGA resolution 1514 (XV)). The C24 hosts conferences and regional seminars on the status of Overseas Territories (OTs), and organises special missions in order to collect first-hand information on the economic and political development of OTs. It also reviews reports submitted to the UN Secretary-General by the UN Secretariat (which “Administering Powers” such as the UK contribute to), pursuant to Article 73 of the UN Charter, on developments in their OTs (Or “Non-Self Governing Territories” in UN parlance). The C24 also hears oral “petitions” from individuals and groups from the territories, as well as any statements from the Administering Powers, and calls on the General Assembly to agree to their programmes of work. The C24 then adopts resolutions on each territory. Most of these are then forwarded to the UNGA, via its Fourth Committee. The Fourth Committee debates and adopts the consensus decision, and UNGA simply takes note of the decision. (HM Government’s Policy Towards the UN Decolonization Committee, Foreign & Commonwealth Office, Memorandum Dated 3 Feb 2012). Comment: The Committee has no remit to deal with sovereignty claims.
Argentina continues to ask the United Nations to call for negotiations on the issue of Falkland’s sovereignty. And as its claim is now in the Argentine Constitution this amounts to calls for a negotiated hand over of the Islands. The United Nations General Assembly has not debated the question of the Falklands since 1988. Meanwhile the C24 Committee has continued to adopt resolutions calling for negotiations between Britain and Argentina. The resolutions are invalid as they make no reference to the Islanders' right to choose their own future
Yawn ....... you'll know something has changed, when the Decolonization Committee recommends its adopted (by consensus) to the Fourth Committee for adoption by the General Assembly. Has not happened since 1988. Will it happen this year ...... nothing to suggest that it will.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse +5Here's last year's report from the C24.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/report-of-the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-to-colonial-countries-and-peoples-for-2020.pdf
Swede, the argentine constitution is the perfect british excuse for not negotiate. The constitutional clause its a transitory disposition. It is the same as the “constitution” of the islands that says queen Elizabeth is their head of state. You are very naive if you think that the only obstacle to negotiations its a clause on Argentina's constitution.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Brit Bob, Lorton. You know pretty well that the general assembly did not made more resolutions regarding Malvinas for the very simple fact that Argentina and the UK do not recalled in the assembly the situation of Malvinas due to the madrid talks and the sovereignty umbrella. Nevertheless, the topic of the colonial situation in Malvinas is permanant added to the General Assembly agenda to be called upon one of the members.
It is course not the ONLY obstacle. But it makes it impossible for any Argentine negotiator to discuss any compromises. But the wish of the islanders not to get any political ties to Argentina is of course also an “obstacle”. So the best thing is to retain status quo. The F.I. remains a BOT as long as their inhabitants wish so.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Libby - Permanently added, but never called. And what do you know of it? For example - why? Why does the C24 not recommend their Falklands resolution? Why does nothing get past the Fourth Committee? What exactly is the agreement? What is the point of keeping something on the provisional agenda, if it is never raised? What is it that stops a Member just calling for a debate?
Jun 25th, 2021 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina was sold out in 1989 and the UN no longer cares.
As for negotiations, what's to talk about? Everything was said between 1966 and 1982. Then Argentina chose trial by combat - and lost.
FIN.
Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +4What happens in the Falkland Islands has got nothing to do with Argentina. Time to drop the illegitimate sovereignty claim. If you have a claim take it to arbitration. The C24 has 'no' mandate to deal with so-called sovereignty disputes.
Swede, why not?. The fact the islands “constitution” stablish that their head of state is the queen elizabeth is an obstacle for them to negotiate?. The world is made of cheap excuses. But trying to play the argentine constitution card is the most ridiculous of them. So we want negotiations but they british see themselves impeding of negotiating becouse of our constitution. Amazing.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Lorton, it is permanently added, becouse the problem did not ceased to exist. And it is not called becouse of a desition of Argentina and the UK not to call on the General Assembly. May be you are right and Argentina was sold out by the UK and our polititians. But remember the state of war both nations were at the moment.
There is no trial by combat. There was no peace treaty and no ceding of sovereignty rights to the UK. You should know that.
Brit Bob, you are right, c24 does not deal with sovereignty disputes, thats why they claim sovereignty negotiations. Arbitration, the ICJ, There are many forms of solution for this dispute. Until the UK sit in the negotiation table, none of it its an option. So sit tight, the status quo will remain for a long time.
Another clear bit of proof that the colonising committee is biased .
Jun 25th, 2021 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina wants sovereignty of the Falklands. Argentina insists that any sovereignty negotiations must result in the handover of Falklands sovereignty to Argentina.
Disprove: Argentina's sovereignty claim is completely spurious as she has nothing to take to court that supports her claim.
Brit Bob, It is not news to anybody that Argentina insist that any sovereignty negotiations must result in the handover of the territorie that was invaded in 1833 after 60 years of spanish and argentine administrations.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -4It is not a news either that britain wants the opposite. Thats mean the continuation of the status quo. Without to mention they want the antartic, the surraunding maritimate space, etc.
Is that an obstacle to negotiate?. Of course not. IF Argentina and Great Britain wants the same, whats the point of negotiation?.
The argentine sovereignty claim is spurious?. So the british who didnt even knew the islands outside Port Egmont, Have no idea of Port Loise nor Isla Soledad, invaded in 1833, after 60 years of peacefull spanish- argentine administrations that indeed controlled all the place with the excuse that they once landed in Isla Trinidad and claimed sovereignty?.
You have no face. There is no referendum with 99.9% of votes. Its a charade that even the british dont rely on. Where was the referendum for the Hong Kong?. Where was the referendum of the Diego Garcia islands?. You british does not respect your own politics. It is the old basic instinct of a colonial empire to continue being a colonial empire.
Liberato. what a distorted view of history you have. Britain did not invade in 1833, they evicted an illegal occupation by the Buenos Airies military, they were warned not to go there before hand, Argentinas claim is bogus and that is why they will not go to the ICJ.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Invaded in 1833 - what law was broken as Britain and Spain still claimed the Falklands?
A state that is in effective possession of a territory has a higher title, let alone when possession existed for nearly two centuries (Elias, 1980).
'after 60 years of Spanish and Argentine administrations...' You say.
But - Argentina made several attempts to assert sovereignty over the islands but whether any were stable enough to give her clear title is questionable. The islands were not res nullius, but they were not yet clearly recognised by the international community as being under any nation’s sovereignty. (The Sovereignty Dispute Over the Falkland Islands, Gustafson L.S. 1988, P26).
Are you claiming that Argentina inherited the Falklands from Spain?
Judge Jose, an illegal occupation?. But how can the brits evict an “illegal ocupation” in 1833 if the last time the british were near the islands was in 1774, and did not even controlled the west of the islands then?.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Liberato, the Falklands Garrison was called away for military reasons, Britain did not give up their claim , Vernet asked the British goverment for permission to go to the islands, even he knew the islands were British, Spain and France all concur with this,Argentina did not exist,
Jun 25th, 2021 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3A piece of international law that gives weight to Argentina's Falklands claim? Just one...
Judge Jose, there was no military reasons becouse there was no military british since 1774.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Vernet was later invested as governor from Argentina. He did not believed in any british rights. He needed the british or any other european to populate the islands, as in Patagonia the welsh were invited to settle. Al under Argentina's law of course.
France recognized prior spanish right of sovereignty and ceded the colony of Port Louis. Spain was in war with what was the vicerroyalty, now Argentina and Britain in 1825 recognized Argentina officially without any protest or claim over the islands that were, at that time, on argentine hands.
Brit Bob, im glad that, unlike your countrymens you recognize the islands were not res nullius. Thank you.
Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2A piece of international law that gives weight to Argentina's Falklands claim? Just one...
Liberato, you are talking nonsense, you really need to do some research and not from the Argentinian propaganda archives, Vernet, a governer, no legal basis what so ever,
Jun 25th, 2021 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Judge Jose & Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Louis Vernet’s activities in the Falklands were declared invalid by the Argentine government.
The Americans even classified Louis Vernet as a pirate!
Louis Vernet – Argentina’s Dubious Hero (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/44781809/Louis_Vernet_Argentinas_Dubious_Hero
Brit Bob, In what international law is based the claim or what international law gives weight to the claim?. The UN recognize there is a dispute over the sovereignty of the Malvinas. They also recognize the current colonial situation in Malvinas. They also list the islands as a non self governing territory. The USA, that is your closest ally says they dont recognize british sovereignty but only a british de facto administration.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -5So, when you british says the islands are self governing, self determined. When you says that Argentina is a colonial power that wants to be a colonial empire. Or when you says Britain support decolonization while voted always against it in the UN. Who are you trying to fool?.
Failed to convince the UN that the islands are british. Failed to convince the UN that the islands are not a colony. Failed to convince even to your closest ally that the islands are british and you want me to talk you about “just one” international law?.
Colonial powers are remembered by their colonization not their decolonization.
Liberato
Jun 25th, 2021 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina wants the Falklands so, again
Mention a piece of international law that gives weight to Argentina's Falklands claim? Just one...
In the 1820s, Buenos Aires was acting alone. It did not represent the Confederation in the Falklands. Acting outside its powers.
Jun 25th, 2021 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +3So said the Argentine Senate in 1882.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/senadoargentina-sesion18820729.pdf
BRIT_BOBOLIN and Roger_Bobo_Lorton two self-proclaimed historians / researchers of the prestigious mercopress or twitter
Jun 26th, 2021 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse -2no tienen familia que les digan que dan lastima?
BRIT_BOBOLIN and ROGER_BOBOLIN where they live?
So if as sugested the C24 was set up to give those in so called colony situations the right to independence can anyone tell me is there any rules within that mandate that says, If however a perceived colony does not want to become independent but wishes to remain a part of another territory, is there provision within that frame work to let it happen.
Jun 26th, 2021 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse +3It is as clear as crystal that the people of the Falkland Islands do not want to become independent and wish to remain a part of the British overseas territory.
By not allowing that to stand proves that the C24 are nothing more than lip service to Argentina.
They are in fact supporting the Argentines in an act of inhumanity. Is this legal.
On what grounds are they deciding a peoples future. Because where I am standing the Falkland Islanders in a legal referendum in 2013 made it absolutely clear by 99.8% that they wished to remain a part of the British overseas territory and wanted nothing to do with Argentina.
The C24 refuse to accept the voice of those to whom it effects. Decolonisation can only happen if a people to whom it concerns wants it to happen. The Falklands is not a colony of the United Kingdom it is a British overseas territory. The Islanders desire the right to remain British. The C24 by supporting Argentina in forcing negotiations about something that is totally against the wishes of a people is wrong and injust.
What Argentina should be doing is proving beyond all reasonable doubt that they own the Falkland Islands. To date in over 190 years this has never happened. WHY?
Argentina's claim is very well justified, not only because the Falklands are within its waters, (endorsed by the UN in 2016), but the United Kingdom also renounced its claims in article 6 of the Treaty of Nutka of 1790 recognizing that the islands were under Spanish Sovereignty, so the 1833 invasion was totally illegal and unjustified
Jun 26th, 2021 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do I live, Gullible? In the real world, of course.
Jun 26th, 2021 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Brit Bob, I dont underestand how the world do not condenm Argentina for its colonial empire ambitions and doesnt recognize either the islands are self governed and self determined. You are so lawfull.
Jun 26th, 2021 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Lorton, Buenos Aires conducted foreign affairs at that time and in not a moment of your sources says the contrary. It recognized the Malvinas are argentine, that were invaded by britain, but that private property losses can not be compensated becouse it was not on Argentina's foul that a foreign power invaded.
Nevertheless parliamentary debate does not constitute nothing more than that. British Parliament have settled you 7 fit underground many times in history as in the present on many subjetcs.
Bernhardt Memorandum, (you have a copy), Spicer letterto Bernhardt. Troutbeck memorandum,etc.
Falklands-free, you have no idea of the c24, the General Assembly, the composition of the population of the colonial regime in Malvinas, the legality of the “referendum” with no United Nations support. The objectiveness of a “referendum” with a result of a 99.8% in one result and shame of having still ten territory under colonialism in this century.
All this about the un is a circus, we all know that the world is still governed by the power of arms, we do not want any sovereignty negotiations, just as I suppose they do not either.
Jun 27th, 2021 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse -3The only thing we need to do is sit peacefully with the claim to wait for a change in the geopolitics and military balance between both countries, as has always happened throughout the history of humanity.
On repeated occasions the United Kingdom wanted to let go of their hand with the attempts to transfer sovereignty after 1950, and they will do it again sooner or later, as soon as it is costly to take care of them or change the balance of power.
We have all the time in the world, we do not know when that will happen if it will be in 50, 100, 500 or 1000 years ... we are only sure that things change and that it will happen.
For now, we are satisfied knowing that we make their children, elders and offspring grow under the shadow of a nation that does not recognize their sovereignty. Every little achievement, such as blocking ships to anchor in Latin American ports with the flags of the islands, blocking medical flights to the islands ... Wasting time of their lives for their representatives making them travel thousands of kilometers to NY away from their families and homes , or making the purchase of a lettuce or an apple in your supermarkets cost 5 pounds is an achievement for us.
Liberato.
Jun 27th, 2021 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse +2You are the delusional one. But before you condemn the Islanders of their historical right to determine their own future you need to supply a legal document of a world order that clearly states that Argentina owns not claims but owns the Islands. We all know such a document does not exist. So get off your high horse take a rain check and let the Falkand islands people live the life of their choosing.
The C24 are but puppits that Argentina is pulling their strings in an effort to help them steal these peoples land.
The Falklands are not a colony of Britain they are an overseas territory that wishes to remain associated with Britain.
Argentine history is one of absolute greed and land grabbing. Your lot colonised a large part of land that belonged to an indigenous people dont ever forget that fact.
@Argentine Citizen
Jun 27th, 2021 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse +3And that’s the problem, do you not value humanity? You just said it’s an achievement to block medical flights… So are the islanders not entitled as Human beings to having the same rights as you because they simply want to be British? I abhor your thinking not very good sir!
Everyone has rights and deserves a happy life, talking about blocking ships from ports because they fly the Falklands flags or blocking MEDICAL flights as if it was a complete victory is absolutely disgusting
I wonder what the Argentine reaction would be if the islanders were to blockade any Argentine from visiting the islands especially from visiting their war dead.
Jun 27th, 2021 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Or if the Islanders said they will not treat you if you have an accident.
I bet the Argentines would be all over the UN red cross and anyone else demanding their right as a people to be treated equally.
So to All you Argentine aggressors who support blocking a peaceful people think about the consequences if it were used against you.
The real problem with Argentina is that they have not progressed from the stone age. They were implanted by Spain because they were no longer of any value to the Spanish empire. They settled the land by the rule of the gun wiping out anyone who stood in their way.
Untill they tried to take a British held territory and they were not only driven out but caused the beginning of the end of the Argentine empire and all they have left to attack anyone with now is hostile propaganda and they cannot accept that they are now more vulnerable to their land neighbour's who are just biding their time as Argentina sinks further into self destruction.
They say Karma will come back and bite you and it sure looks like that is the case. Wrong somebody and you will receive greater punishment.
Now is the right time for Argentina to finally turn their economy around. Forget about the desires on another's homeland because unless you make positive change soon you will loose every bit of your I'll gotten gains. Is that what you really want.
Falklands-free, Yes right, i admit it, the c24 is a puppet of Argentina that choosed their members according to their doubtfull records on human rights. Russia also support Argentina becouse they are enemies of the UK. China the same. The mercosur becouse they are forced to support Argentina so they dont cry all the time. Chile has no option than to support Argentina to avoid conflict. All South America, Mexico and the 77 plus China also support Argentina becouse they are third world coutnries.
Jun 27th, 2021 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The Malvinas are not a colony, even if your biggest ally thinks otherwise.
Is that what you wanted to hear?. May be the UK wants Argentina to convince the USA that the colonial regime is legally there by the free will of their people.
Zaczac121, do you value humanity?. Becouse Iraq was invaded becouse they supposedly had weapons of mass destruction. But, they were never found. What they found is huge reserves of oil that are now currently extracted by british companies in a nation where they were not alowed to work.
Iraq has people too that deserves a happy life. Not under an economic colonialism. Thats very disgusting.
https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/what-we-do/bp-worldwide/bp-in-iraq.html
Falklands-free, Islanders freely said they dont want the visits and used that humanitarian reason for extorsion. It was the UK who alowed it.
Ah there you go, again calling Argentina an empire. Do you realise how dumb you looks calling Argentina those names like empire or new colonial power?. Instead, the islands colonial regime and the british colonial power, describe exactly how the UN see them both.
There is no “peaceful solution”. There is a “cold war” between Argentina and the U.K. Hopefully it does not turn into a “hot war” again. At present the Argentine armed forces are not capable of invading once more. And the country is not ruled by the military as in 1982, so there will probably and hopefully be no confrontation. And the defence of the Islands is much stronger now. And it must be. Argentine politicians are often talking about the BFSAI as a “threat” to their country (and the whole region sometimes). But, some 1-2000 British troops are of course no threat. They cannot attack Argentina, and are not interested in doing so. The U.K. has no claim on Argentine territory. The troops are only there to deter. 40 years ago it was possible to land forces and take over and they could stay for several weeks until the task force was sent down. Today they could not set foot on the shores of the archipelago. Much better. Saving many lives on both sides.
Jun 27th, 2021 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@liberato The Iraq war was bad, I never condoned it in the first place, I hate Tony Blair so I don’t get your point here…
Jun 27th, 2021 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Liberato
Jun 27th, 2021 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Clearly you know very little about the culture of the Falklands. The Islanders have always supported humanitarian visits so dont go down that road. In fact the islanders have been far to open in trying to please an aggressor in my opinion.
The only act they have wanted but never got was not to have a direct flight to Argentina. The compromise was Chile Argentina Then Brazil Argentina so please get your facts right.
We are not a part if an empire we are a people wanting to live the life of our choosing and under the rules of the United nations that has been agreed. It is Argentina that wont accept these rulings.
But of course your inadequate education does not allow you to fully comprehend that.
Swede, the british claim goes beyond the Malvinas. It goes to South Georgia, Sandwich, the antartic and all its maritimate surroundings. The level of forces there is way beyond the argentine total force, and will increase as long as Argentina recover their arm forces. Of course not that Argentina will atack soon, becouse it is prohibited by our own constitution. But when the deadline of the antartic treaty comes to end, i think things will become hotter.
Jun 27th, 2021 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Zaczac121, i know that many many of british protested before the invasion of Iraq, trying to impede the war, knowing the objectives of that war. All people from all countries, richer or poorer are working people that wants the best for their families. They dont aproves every scum governments does. But when you talk high up about humanity of others, you forget your own.
The Malvinas could have had and can become a sovereign nation, regardless of the argentine claim, the UN or whatever. But i dont think its gonna happens. And not becouse of Argentina, becouse Britain thinks there is oil on it. If not for that, they would had let inmigration open and the islands community would have evolved naturally, freelly, like Uruguay, Guyana, etc. Why? Becouse without oil, they uk would have a pro british new puppet nation and their antartic claim would still be protected by the sovereignty of South Georgia. I might be mistaken, but i think thats how they think.
And about Argentina, im more than sure they wouldnt have any problem in recognizing a new nation. It happened before with Uruguay. Have you read the history of Uruguay?. But recognizing an unnatural population? to give the UK all of the South Atlantic? And the antartic?.
F-free, you are right they supported humanitarian visits, but i have read two interviews to two legislatives that menaced to cut it all more than one time. i cant find the link, it was in mercopress. But i know the mayority of them support and supported the next of kin visits.
My inadequate education?
@Zaczac121 Quote1: ---And that’s the problem, do you not value humanity? You just said it’s an achievement to block medical flights…
Jun 27th, 2021 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2We consider the islands occupied by an invading power, therefore as long as this is not solved in some way, we will not act as if nothing is happening here.
They have two options, to build a £ 500 million highly complex hospital for 1,500 inhabitants.
or take 18-hour health flights while you have a stroke or a heart attack to Ascencion Island or the United Kingdom.
Whatever is not our problem
Quote2: So are the islanders not entitled as Human beings to having the same rights as you because they simply want to be British? I abhor your thinking not very good sir! ---
Argentines who were living on the islands with their children in 1833 wanted to remain Argentines when they were illegally expelled
the islands were totally uninhabited since 1774
More than 50 years went by without an English inhabitant born or living on the islands, for international law they were nullis land.
@Liberato I get what you are saying my dude, but I have to fundamentally disagree, the reason Britain remains is because of the Falkland Islanders, if they wanted independence I’m sure they would be granted it. To say it’s about oil now in 2021 is a bit silly to be fair… Since everyone is being forced into renewables…
Jun 28th, 2021 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse +2@Argentine Citizen only the garrison and their families were expelled the rest were allowed to stay and they did… But anyway, non of these expelled people are alive anymore and no one claims to be a descendant so why does that matter? These present people have lived on the islands for several generations now, so just by virtue of something happening just under 200 years ago you want to punish innocents by denying their basic human rights for medicine? Humanity is lost on you my not-so friend
We understand that the people who are currently living there have been there for 200 years, and they have nothing to do with what happened in 1833.
Jun 28th, 2021 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse -2But the reality is that you cannot pretend to deny something that happened and minimize it as if it had never happened. Because with the same criteria, if the global geopolitics changes and within 100 or 200 years, Argentina takes the islands and sends its inhabitants back to the United Kingdom by boat and puts a population of Argentines to live there. Those new settlers would be in the same situation that you are arguing.
The reality of what is going to happen is that simply, within 100, 500 or 1000 years, the islands will be invaded and their inhabitants banished just as it happened with the Argentines who lived in 1833.
Anyway, you don't have to worry, as long as the UK maintains a good military position to defend them or Argentina maintains its economy and army below the UK's power level, no one is going to attack them.
@argentine citizen
Jun 28th, 2021 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse +2The different to doing it now is twofold:
Expelling people from islands would be illegal completely because of the UN
The difference is that now that the British people have been on those islands for so long a slightly different culture has emerged from the islands, with Spanish words incorporated into Falklander English, and many of them would still identify as Falklander even when expelled and would be the same situation as Diego Garcia but this time it would be a foreign nation expelling them from their land instead of the ruling British government in the BIOT >.>
Argentine citizen.
Jun 28th, 2021 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse +2You wrote
“We understand that the people who are currently living there have been there for 200 years, and they have nothing to do with what happened in 1833.
But the reality is that you cannot pretend to deny something that happened and minimize it as if it had never happened. Because with the same criteria, if the global geopolitics changes and within 100 or 200 years, Argentina takes the islands and sends its inhabitants back to the United”
Now on that same thought could you now take a close look at your own history. Removal of an indigenous people constitutes that you removed a people who genuinely lived there before you arrived. Please explain your theory as to why that act of ethnic cleansing was done by your people.
You have no authority whatsoever to dictate what we should or should not do but because of your indoctrination and total brain washing you are like so many of your kind unable to comprehend a peoples rights.
Your country has an historical record of violence and greed. You even try to control your land neighbours.
You are a country in self denial.
Grow up . Move on and start living like normal decent people. Is that to much to ask.
Libby, Buenos Aires (not the Confederations) was acting on its own in the 1820s. Beyond its powers. Buenos Aires did not represent the Confederation when trespassing in the Falklands.
Jun 28th, 2021 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse +3So said your own Senate in 1882 (when they declined to compensate the Vernet family)..
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/senadoargentina-sesion18820729.pdf
Buenos Aires was given two written warnings in 1829 & 1832. Buenis Aires thought that it could ignore them. Big mistake.
The other claimant, Spain, recognised British sovereignty in 1863.
Argentina, was never in the game.
excellent speaches again by fig reps but they are only appreciated by the converted. no matter what splendid truths are said and with whatever eloquence they are delivered, they will continue to go in one ear and out the other since there is nothing between them to stop and then analyse the passage of their message. as the c24 is powerless the annual pilgrimages by fi reps are a complete waste of time and money. this nonsense can be stopped by non-attendance but this sensible approach would result in one less laugh per annum and therefore is unlikely to happen.
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