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Argentine lawmakers want “Malvinas issue” to become decisive in allowing candidates to run for office
A group of Argentine Senators has entered a bill whereby candidates for any electoral office must acknowledge the 1994 Constitutional reform which made the claim over the Malvinas Islands “a permanent and inalienable” goal. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHe added that “as a Fuegian, I am not willing to tolerate people who deny Malvinas or who directly affirm that they are not Argentine trying to represent our Nation.
Aug 11th, 2021 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse +2The belief that the Falkland Islands are Argentinian (because of a so-called usurpation in 1833) and a legal right of inheritance is clearly questionable.
Indoctrination: If people are indoctrinated, they are taught a particular belief with the aim that they will reject other beliefs.
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You reap what you sow.
That clearly shows that the Argentine constitution has but one goal in mind regardless of negotiations.
Aug 11th, 2021 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse +2That is to acquire by any illegal method that right.
By introducing this law against their own people is nothing short of treason towards it's free people who do not recognise the claim being made towards the Falklands.
Evil dictators still try to control Argentina.
I was of the impression that after the Falklands conflict the people of Argentina were freed from aggression so they could live the lives of their choosing.
That has not been the case and never likely to be.
One day again the good people of Argentina will rise up and put down this corrupt Argentine government.
It clearly shows that no elections in Argentina are free and fair as they quite often say they are.
Time the rest of the world told these corrupt dictators that the world has moved on and that they must also move on.
If they dont then the writing is clearly on the wall for the well being of the Argentine people.
They say hindsight is a wonderful thing and maybe in 1982 Britain should have took the fight of recovery to the mainland of Argentina and removed once and for all this corruption that still exists.
Apparently many Argentine politicians are scared of an open debate on the “Malvinas Question”. The first step is to make it impossible for dissidents to run for public elected offices. The next step could be to make it illegal for any Argentine citizen to challenge the official “State policy”. Malvinism must not be questioned, as it almost a religion. To be against the Argentine territorial claim is as being an Atheist in Saudi Arabia.
Aug 11th, 2021 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse +2At the same time Argentine politicians are talking of their willingness to “resume negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute”. Could any of the devotees of the Malvinas Cause on this forum (Think, Liberato, Trimondo &c) explain how it could be a “peaceful solution” when only one outcome (a takeover of the islands) is possible for the Argies. In my opinion the future of the Falkland Islands is a question for the U.K. and the Islanders to decide upon. It could be status quo (a BOT), or a Commonwealth Realm (like Australia, Canada &c), integration with the UK or whatever. But as long as the Argentine Claim is there the U.K. must have a deterrent military garrison present in the archipelago.
If Argentines want to see the Argentine flag flying in Stanley they must normalize the relations so they could open up a Consulate. But unfortunately it will not happen. It probably takes generations to “demalvinize” the Argentine people. And the process has not even started, on the contrary.
The islands were forcefully grabbed from Argentina Potts, otherwise Britain would have never had any problem in talking and discussing the argument at any time it was put before it. Your own government has had past reservations against your right wing Tori attitude towards this chapter of history. So the reasons for a conflict are very much real no matter how many acrobatic new literature moves people make to try and defuse it or turn it into something else.
Aug 13th, 2021 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your decrepit fascist form of pedantic typically Anglo reasoning comes through clearer than loud in your last sentence, doesn't it Falklands Never Been Free? Being that you insist on not listening to the people you have decided to make your enemies, and thus never understand what people all over the world with an interest in geopolitics understand, suffice to watch any number for YouTube channels, Latin American governments and their cultural medias have been infested with external and internal elements that seek to depatriotize our countries and have their governments obey foreign exploitation interests that benefit small groups within it. In Latin-America this is part of foreign affairs 101. Only the people living on Malvinas insist on remaining ignorant to this, and how much for example Britain quietly does to favor parties and influencers who are willing to exchange sovereign dignity for economic favors. Regarding Malvinas it's a trail that goes all the way back to 1806.
Swade, the attack and occupation of Puerto Luis and robbery of these islands Britian had dropped its claim for until the Spanish were no longer interested, is a national issue that precedes government form or political parties. First come the Land and its People, period. All countries are the same. The islanders are an occupation population at the service of Britain who continues endlessly to take the islands from Argentina, as it has no moral historical backbone for claiming the islands as theirs. Why do all that they do otherwise?
Many of the present residents of the islands can trace their roots there more than 150 years back, many more generations than some of the “professional malvinistas”, (such as Sr. Filmus) have Argentine roots. So they are not more “implanted” than any other person in the Americas of European, Asian or African ancestry.
Aug 13th, 2021 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such a law, which is now proposed, is clearly very undemocratic. The voters have to decide which candidates should be elected. Which state authority should exclude some candidates in advance because they are against the Malvinas claim? It is something like the “Guardian Council” in Iran which must “approve” every candidate running in an election.
Iran calls itself an “islamic republic”. Should Argentina be a “malvinic republic”?
Trimonde.
Aug 13th, 2021 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You only have one desire and that desire is to steal more country. Let me remind you about people implantation.
Argentina is the best place to start. Your lot plundered patagonia implanting your people and your laws on an innocent indigenous people which in its self is a crime. Then you try to impose your rule over a British Territory and claim these islands also for yourselves.
History is a very good place to highlight these wrongs that your people have tried to put on others.
Your history is one full of greed and land grabbing. You cannot hide from that fact.
The rights of the people of the falkland islands far outdated your mainland land snatching.
Of course none of your schools are permitted to talk about that chapter in your lives. It is also very noticable that in recent days once again the powers of control in Argentina are ready to stop one of it's own people running for Senate because she has spoke out testifying that Argentina has never owned the islands. That proves beyond any doubt that Democracy does not exist in Argentina and one day the people of Argentina will rise up to right that injustice and restore democracy. They have been through a lot of trauma in their lives including the regime of mass disappearance of thirty thousand of your own people.
Not a nice record to portray to the world that you have been cheated of trying to take our islands by invasion either and because you got your asses kicked you are still hurting.
So be it hurt all you want it will not get you our land .
We have the free world on our side and unless you can present absolute written documentation to support your illegal claim you can in our books go to hell.
A population serving the purpose of Brtain taking the islands from Argentina now.
Aug 14th, 2021 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse -1A population serving the purpose of Brtain taking the islands from Argentina then.
The fact that the British have an “in house breeding program” for their human political shield scam, doesn't change the situation one bit. Especially considering that both nations, Argentina and Britain were just as present then as they are today.
Trimonde.
Aug 14th, 2021 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Of course your land grabbing does not come into your education. The Falkland Islands were documented long befor Argentina ever existed.
But you dont want to be told that do you.
Because unfortunately you are among the indoctrinated.
Look at your wonder country today. Ravaged by greed. Half the people in poverty and your country is seriously in debt. What a wonderful way to run a country. Why would we ever want to let you take our land and ultimately destroy it. That is not going to happen ever.
@Trimonde, no islands were grabbed from Argentina, your illegal garrison was evicted,
Aug 14th, 2021 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1your hatred of anything British is clear to see, again i say if Argentina had a genuine case they would have gone to the ICJ many years ago, they have not, ask yourself why, because they have no case, its nothing but fantasy and delusion.
The British and Falkland Islands Government have their own “Freudenabteilung” Joy Division. I recall walking past only yesterday. Now are they blue eyed and blonde haired or talk with a plum in their mouths?
Aug 14th, 2021 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What planet are you on Trimonde? Argentina
How about Argentina step up to the plate and take the matter to the ICJ or are they scared? If they win of course no one wants from Argentina actually wants to live in the Falklands. How many live in Patagonia? I have spoken to quite a few in my time and they say its a nice place to visit but would not want to live here.
Or is it all about shipping, fisheries, oil and Antarctica? Money in other words, so the corrupt can become richer off the backs of a tenuous claim.
How many countries in the world have such “prequlification” of candidates as proposed by this bill? Iran has its “Shora-ye-Negaban” or Guardian Council. In other countries candidates can be disqualified due to criminal offenses. But this is something else. They want to stop a certain opinion, which per se is not criminal (yet).
Aug 15th, 2021 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse -1Somehow you intuitively know that what you're saying is not exactly true and sense it is from it being true Judge Jose, don't you? But when it comes to political rivalry in this world people it seems feel lying is an acceptable element. Very strange. In their heads they don't even think it is actual lying.
Aug 15th, 2021 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse -1Yes, Britain DID “grab” the islands off Argentina by force. No garrison was “evicted”, though some of you are recently fashioned to use that term, right? Yet no such proceedings or terminology actually exists in the past to that effect. Pretty funny I think that you all try so hard through the use of language to distort history. And you know why Argentina was not “evicted”, like the other liar Roger Lorton says? Because Britain never formally occupied the islands nor formally had managed to incorporate them into their territory nor into their civil governance, they merely were attempting to beat Spain's claim to them, which they never did, no matter what the King may have said to himself or his Court. In fact they left the islands, regardless of whatever arguments they later wanted to bully Argentina with after Spain left the islands, which indeed was not much of an argument, ever. Argentina on the other hand did not leave the islands, they in fact painstakingly started rebuilding their settlement not withstanding the attack by the United States well after they had informed the world of their official incorporation of the islands, bringing administration and the rule of law.
It's fascinating to observe the passionate effort the British put into pushing their one sided distorted narrative through a hundred different means, which attempts to paint over the true history of the islands seeking to cancel out Argentina's political history and events regarding Malvinas. But no amount of printing presses will ever be able to erase the past. Hence why you are trying to hard to give sovereign validity to your human shield puppets on the islands at the moment.
Trimonde. i have been reading your comments for as long as you have been posting,
Aug 15th, 2021 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your people were warned not to go to the Falklands, fact, when they ignored the warning and arriived they were warned again to leave, fact , it is your Peronist goverment that continues to give out false statements about the Falklands history, your research is bogus,again WHY have Argentina never gone to the ICJ . Our so called one sided argument, is backed with facts, France .and Spain also have these facts recorded,
the diatribe you continue to promote is laughable, go educate yourself in the real world.
You are correct about no printing press can erase history, but it is your own press and politicians that are pushing false propaganda ,
Trimonde.
Aug 15th, 2021 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse -2You do talk a whole lot of crap.
First no Argentine forces were forced to leave the islands in 1833. They were requested to leave a British sovereign territory. They left without putting up any resistance. Not a single shot was fired.
As for the civilians that were living in that settlement at the time who's origin by majority were not Argentines were asked if they wanted to stay and most of them said they would very much like to work with the British owners.
Your seccond incorrect statement claiming Spain owned the islands is totally untrue. Given that it was France and Britain who had the very first established settlements.
France decided to make peace with Britain recognising the British did have the actual rights.
However Spain was not at peace with Britain at the time and so tried to strike a deal with the french because they did not want to fall out with them.
This was a very long time before Argentina renageded and broke away from Spain.
Then on the back of what was an idea Argentina started showing interest in the land to the south of their small territory and invaded and removed the indigenous people. They then decided that the islands owned by Britain should be theirs as well and solely based that claim on a made up story they inherited them from Spain.
It is interesting to note that in the first place Spain was reluctant to allow Argentina to be formed.
What has since happened over time is that your evil land grabbers subdued every civilian Argentine by controlling them and how they would be educated.
Unfortunatly you are one of those who have been totally brainwashed and refuse to even consider that Argentine policy could be wrong.
A lot of Argentines are already waking up to that fact and now some want to stand for election to spread that message and people like you now feel threatened that the truth will emerge.
You have suppressed your people for far to long and they now want change. It will come one day and your regime will be finished.
First thing a bully does, is “warn”. Then he's steel. Hence why he is called a bully. lol
Aug 15th, 2021 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0President Illia was not a Peronist, and he preceded Peron by engaging the United Nations on the matter. In fact the dispute is recognized in the United Nations since 1946. And yet, neither the U.N. or the ICJ are not authorities over a country's sovereignty rights, nor are they an authority on establishing justice. Especially considering the Allies who later became the founders of NATO created the U.N. tacitly to serve their own ambitions, under the disguise of “world democracy” LOL
... you don't see, YOU are the one who is “laughable”. Do you?
So now you attack the UN because they dont support your false claim. that is laughable,
Aug 15th, 2021 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is what happens when people are brainwashed they make up everything in an attempt to justify their stupidity.
Aug 15th, 2021 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess from your reply Trimonde. That no other power in the world is right but that of deluded Argentina.
Subdued people usually do that. Especially when they have been programmed that everything within their grasp has to belong to them.Chile would have been one of your campaigns had their military power not been so strong. So knowing you cant steal their country you only have one place left to try and take control and once again you have come up against a power greater than you.
Life sucks dont it.
Stop whinging and start giving the people of Argentina the life they so want. Free from poverty and economic catastrophic looming failure.
They do say drowning men clutch at straws. Think Argentina is on the last straw and it is desperation now again as it was in 1982 to try and divert an internal issue by once again using propaganda. Remember two wrongs dont make a right and trying to hide from reality will eventually destroy you.
Good for us on the free Falklands but not so good for the people of Argentina.
Stop trying to achieve the impossible and start rebuilding a shattered Argentina.
You will start to feel happier when that happens. So glad we are where we are with a strong economy no poverty and living the lives of our choosing which is a far cry from that of Argentina.
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Aug 15th, 2021 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First thing a bully does, is “warn”. Then he steels. Hence why he is called a bully. lol
President Illia was not a Peronist, yet he preceded Peron by engaging the United Nations on the matter and claiming Argentine sovereignty rights to the Malvinas Islands. In fact the dispute is recognized in the United Nations since 1946. And yet, neither the U.N. or the ICJ are authorities over a country's sovereignty rights, nor do they have authority on establishing justice. Especially considering the Allies, who later became the founders of NATO created the U.N. tacitly to serve their own agenda and ambitions, under the disguise of “world democracy” LOL We all see that now, don't we?
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Looking at your response to this, I will only say that I would find you much more interesting to continue talking with if you at least addressed my responses to your claims. You don't; you just looking for ways of grabbing my statements in order to de-contextualize them and then invent some kind of mocking irony about their words. 2/3 of the British do that when trying to defend their country's actions and behavior against others in conversations. Very very telling of your social character.
@ Trimonde: Do you think that a law which prohibits a candidate to run for an elected office just because he or she is in opposition of a political dogma (“Malvinas son Argentinas”) should be in force in a country calling itself democratic?
Aug 15th, 2021 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trimonde, I have no further interest with your nonsense, better things to do, have a nice day,
Aug 15th, 2021 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Swede
Aug 15th, 2021 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The political anti-Malvinas claim platfom is an outside threat, from which the country has a right to defend itself from. Not only are the UK and US directly affecting of it and hide it, but as such internally all people who have expressed this also happen to seek strong financial and political alignment with the UK, Israel, the US IMF etc etc. while they shy away from planing our future based on the self development and preservation of our own national resources. Odd isn't it? ...Yet the proof is there for everyone to see with abundant un-contradictory continuity and consistency.
So, all Argentines who disagree with the “Malvinas Myth” constitute an “outside threat, from which the country has a right to defend itself”? That certainly just bullshit. Typical of totalitarian states. A candidate and a political party must naturally have the right to dispute capitalism, communism, nationalism, liberalism, catholisism, peronism, or any other ideology, including malvinism. Perhaps even a “strong financial and political alignment with the UK, Israel, the US IMF etc” could make your country a better place. But the electorate can not decide upon questions that may not be discussed (such as the territorial claims).
Aug 15th, 2021 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol... are you not understanding, or are you not WANTING TO understand?
Aug 15th, 2021 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You clearly have no idea what I'm talking about.
Let's leave it that way
Trimonde. We all understand it is you who clearly does not understand.
Aug 15th, 2021 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However there is mo further point in trying to debate with you because you only want one outcome. Yours.
You will still be rambling on about how unfairly you have been treated over the British Falkland Islands and do you know what. I really dont care. We know our legal rights as a people. We also know a great deal about mythical Argentina.
We also know your country is financially bleeding and you dont know how to fix it.
Your belief is the only way is to divert attention away from your financial problems and get others to think about your mythical claim. That will not fix your problem. You have to do a bit of growing up before that occurs.
Have a nice time worrying about how you think you are going to change the world. Meanwhile I will continue to 3njoy the free British Falkland Islands and the untapped around it.
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