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Memorial events to mark Falklands 40th anniversary take shape

Wednesday, February 23rd 2022 - 23:59 UTC
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Four decades to the day that the fighting in the South Atlantic conflict came to an end, the National Memorial Arboretum near Lichfield will be the setting for a Falkland Islands ‘Liberation Day’ commemorative event, organized by the Royal British Legion on June 14. Read full article

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  • Monkeymagic

    40th Anniversary of the second invasion of the islands.

    Invasion 1 : October 1832, led by Mestevier and 26 soldiers (who mutineed, murdered Mestevier and raped his wife), asked to leave by the British 10 weeks later.

    Invasion 2 : April 1982, expelled by the British 10 weeks later

    Britain has never invaded the islands, just defended them from Argentine belligerence and bullying.

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Liberato

    Monkeymagic, by 1832, there was not a single british prescence in the islands since 1774 (58 years). Only protested to the argentine in 1829 (55 years since they left).
    So your claim of an “invasion” its totally illusionary on your part, thinking that the british had any claim or sovereignty right on a land they never set foot and was entirelly administered by Spain and its succesor.

    But now you british defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine in Krimea. Are you thinking that the people in Crimea are getting hostiges of the invading force?.
    In any case, the british controlled only Trinidad Island for the few years they lived there until 1774. And even that was challenged by the spanish expulsion and claim.
    In 1833, the british landed in Port Soledad claiming sovereignty rights in Soledad Island, an island they have never landed in the first place.

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Judge Jose

    Liberato, it is irrelevant if Brits were on the islands or not, the fact is the islands were claimed by Britain, you live in a fantasy world, Vernet asked London for permission to go there, it was given, Buenos Aires had no right to send any military there as the islands were already claimed, therefore your illegal occupation was ejected, can you not let that sink in just for one minute, Ukraine is sod all to do with anything, Roger Lorton has given you massive evidence but still you quote nonsense, in every thread, You have had corrupt government after corrupt government including a ruthless junta, so why would you believe their lies, the islands belong to the islanders and that will not change unless they wish it,

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Monkeymagic

    Liberato

    When the Argentines invaded in 1832 whom did they state their claim to?

    Matthew Brisbane, who was the leader of the remnants of Luis Vernets business set up on the island.


    Seemingly impossible if there was “not a single British presence” (sic) since 1774.
    Matthew Brisbane was born in Perth, Scotland and was British.

    Why did Argentina need to send the warship Sarandi and 26 troops if there was no disputed claim?

    Why do the Argentines celebrate the murder of Brisbane by Gaucho Rivero as an Argentine uprising against the British if Brisbane was not British?

    Seems like if there is delusion it is on your part.

    Twice Argentina has humiliated itself sending militia to the islands, the first time they mutinied, murdered their captain and raped his wife, before being asked to leave.

    The second time a greater humiliation where they sent poorly armed boys to plant unmapped minefields and cower behind the islanders as a human shield.

    No happy with these two disgraces you make up fairy stories about inheriting from Spain...and claiming islands they've not set foot on in 190 years save for humiliation, murder and rape.

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Pugol-H

    Liberato
    Yet in Crimea, Argentina recognises the right of a relatively recently arrived majority Russian (not native to Crimea) population, to self-determination!

    Surely if TiTMond is right, only the Crimean Tartars get a vote???

    It seems that self-determination only applies to Kurepi planters in Argentina and Russians in Crimea, or when it suits you.

    When it doesn’t, they are an implanted population of usurping Pirates, and a false version of history is produced to support that narrative.

    Also, as the Falklands/Malvinas have been British (by your own admission) since before Argentina ever existed, in any form, they cannot disrupt the ‘territorial integrity’ of the modern state of Argentina.

    And, you have never produced any evidence that the British ever relinquished their claim, only evidence to the contrary, of a continuing dispute and therefore British claim being maintained, by force when necessary.

    The evidence does not support your version of events, or you ‘righteous indignation’.

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Roger Lorton

    Still not grasped the fact that only the garrison withdrew in 1774, Libby.
    The businessmen moved in the day that the garrison sailed.
    We never left.

    https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/1775-to-1815.pdf

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Monkeymagic

    Liberato cannot grasp the fact that by every version of history and every new set of rules that the Argentines come up with does not ever lead to a moral, legal, geographical or actual claim to the Falkand Islands.

    He claims that Britain deserted the islands and thereby relinquished their claim
    The same must therefore be true of Spain and France

    If we follow Liberatos logic then nobody had a claim to the islands by 1824.

    He claims that Luis Vernet took the islands for Argentina, but Vernet also deserted and left the control of his assets to Brisbane.

    So, if his final claim is that the crew of the Sarandi are and remain the first Argentine claimants who arrived in October 1832, and in their 10 weeks on the islands committed rape, murder and mutiny....before being asked to leave by Captain Onslow...if that is the total claim of Argentina, then lets put all the other fairy tales to bed.

    Argentina should tell the truth to the UN, that they arrived on the islands in October 1832 and were asked to leave in January 1833, and that they believe this means 180 years of peaceful residence by the islanders counts for nothing.

    It of course would set the precident that territories cannot be gained by force and Argentina will of course first hand back patagonia to the Amerindians.

    Feb 23rd, 2022 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Liberato

    Judge Jose, Far from the truth. Vernet did not asked permition to the british at all. Not even close. Vernet certificated a Grant of land extended by the Argentine government on the british consulate.

    Monkey, you said: “When the Argentines invaded in 1832 whom did they state their claim to?”. In what way your mind thinks that Argentina invaded in 1832?. 1832?????. And then again we invaded militarilly in 1985 right?.

    Pugol, you said :”Yet in Crimea, Argentina recognises the right of a relatively recently arrived majority Russian (not native to Crimea) population, to self-determination!“

    Excuse me?:
    The Royal Falkland Islands Police, Jeff McMahon
    Fire chief Gardner Fiddes CMgr FCMI
    Director of Emergency Services, Andy Bell
    Falklands Chief Justice James Lewis
    Governor of the Falkland Islands, Nigel Phillips
    Falkland Islands Senior Magistrate Sarah Whitby
    Director of Emergency Services and Island Security and Principal Immigration Officer Ms PamelaTrevillion
    Director of Education Marie Horton
    Director of Health and Social Services David O’Neill

    And i suppose that these guys were not born in Britain in Europe having recently inmigrated to Malvinas casually to assume in all areas of government right?.
    So, no native to crimea is not the same as not native to Malvinas?.

    Lorton, again with your ”fishermen governmental administration” theorie?. Really?. With Spain naming several governors?. Really? . Britain landed only once on Gran Malvinas and never landed in Soledad islands until 1833.

    Monkey, i suggest you start reading A history book. Whatever, even a british one. A book that at least allow you to learn the historical data like years and events of those years.

    Feb 24th, 2022 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    Libby, Spain only claimed ONE island in 1811 - remember?

    We have the evidence

    https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/88740.pdf

    Feb 24th, 2022 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Judge Jose

    Liberato. again you talk a load of nonsense Vernet did ask permission, fact, just because you cant accept the truth ,France and Spains historical records tally with Britains, you are so indoctrinated with the lies spewed from Buenos Aires, you need to take your head out of the sand,

    Feb 24th, 2022 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Monkeymagic

    Liberato

    You can flail around as much as you like, but you said there had not been a single British presence on the islands since 1774.

    But when Mestevier arrived with his 26 soldiers in 1832 he claimed the islands for Argentina to Matthew Brisbane who was British.

    How can Matthew Brisbane (British) be the leader of the business on the islands in 1832 if as you said “the was not a single British presence on the islands in 58 years”

    So...I reiterate, Vernet was running a business, he left the British Matthew Brisbane in charge.

    Mestevier turned up in October 1832 claiming the islands for Argentina, he was murdered by his own crew, his wife was raped and therefore his claim extinguished.

    Captain Onslow arrived January 1833 and evicted the murderous raping mutineers.

    Thats it....thats the history.

    Your claim, your entire claim is based on 10 weeks occupation by 26 murdering rapists 190 years ago.

    Oh dear....not much is it!

    Feb 24th, 2022 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse +2

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