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CFK decries double standards within UN Security Council regarding Ukraine and Falklands/Malvinas

Monday, February 28th 2022 - 20:55 UTC
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Argentine Vice President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (CFK) Sunday said Western powers had double standards when addressing the Ukraine crisis. The former head of state (2007-2015) recalled that in 2014 -under her presidency-, Argentina supported Kyiv against Russia’s annexation of the Crimean peninsula by force. Read full article

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  • Jo Bloggs

    That’s either a very bad translation or CFK hasn’t made any sense. What on earth is she talking about? LOL.

    At least she got the piece about the Falklands referendum correct. The West accepted it.

    Speaking of the West, how does Argentina categorize itself this week? Probably depends on whether Russia defeats Ukraine or if ‘the West’ prevails.

    Chuckle chuckle.

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Steve Potts

    “In other words: Argentina supported Ukraine based on the principle of territorial integrity, a pillar of international law. Russia, one of the five permanent members with the right to veto, exercised this privilege and spoke against it. China abstained,” CFK explained.

    Clearly delusional.

    Falklands - Argentina’s Skewed Interpretation of Territorial Integrity (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/44219603/Falklands_Argentinas_Skewed_Interpretation_of_Territorial_Integrity

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Monkeymagic

    What a load of nonsense.

    There is no double standard:

    The status quo is that Ukraine is a sovereign area and was attacked militarily by Russia. The world rightfully disagrees with Russia's position.

    The status quo is that Falklands are part of the UK sovereign territory are were attacked militarily by Argentina this was also wrong.

    CFK then seems to say that either:

    1) the provinces in Ukraine with populations that a pro-Russia should be allowed to leave Ukraine and join Russia (i.e. self determination trumps the territorial status quo)

    or

    2) The pro-Russia provinces in Ukraine should not be allowed to leave Ukraine and join Russia (i.e. territorial integrity trumps self-determination)

    The crazy bat doesn't realise that neither of these are relevant in the case of the Falklands where both the self-determination of the islands AND the current territorial status quo lie with the British.

    CFK seems to want a third scenario

    3) Any country can claim any island group within 1000 miles of its coast no matter how much the civilians there despise them, as long as they can make up a fantasy history about a 6 week occupation 200 years ago.

    This would lead to some interesting global claims

    The USA could claim Cuba
    France could claim Jersey
    UK could claim the Faroe Islands
    Australia could claim New Zealand
    China could claim Taiwan
    Russia could claim Japan

    chuckle

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Judge Jose

    What a load of drivel the woman speaks, no wonder everyone laughed at her,

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “In other words: Argentina supported Ukraine based on the principle of territorial integrity, a pillar of international law.”

    Whereas, this is modern international law and thus cannot be retroactively applied to a claim in 1833 prior to its own enaction.

    ”...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...”
    The Acquisition of Territory in International Law by Robert Yewdall Jennings

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Swede

    If Argentina think that the Falklands were part of Argentina 200 years ago and that the “territorial integrity” of Argentina was violated, I can tell them that 200 years ago Ukraina was part of Russia. So if Argentina should have the Falklands “back” Russia could say the same about Belarus, Ukraina, Uzbekistan, Lithuania &c and even Finland (lost in 1918). Or Sweden could claim Finland back (lost in 1809). Hungary could claim half of Romania &c, &c. And what about the “territorial integrity” of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia, or even the “territorial integrity” of Spain when its South American territories broke away. Territorial integrity is a modern concept, not applicable in the case of the F.I.

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Double standards?
    Err .....

    DECOLONIZE PATAGONIA

    Feb 28th, 2022 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • pgerman

    Inhabitants of the Crimean peninsula: “We have self-determination, we held a referendum and we are an independent nation” ==> UK: “no way. I say that you are part of Ukraine”

    Inhabitants of Donetsk: “We have self-determination, we made a referendum and we are an independent nation” ==> UK: “no way. I say that you are part of Ukraine”

    Inhabitants of Luganks: “We have self-determination, we made a referendum and we are an independent nation” ==> UK: “no way. I say that you are part of Ukraine”

    Islanders of the Chagos Islands: “We have self-determination and we are an independent nation” ==> UK: “get out of here. We have already rented the islands”

    Falkland Islanders: “We have self-determination, we did a referendum and we are an independent nation” ==> UK: “yes, we will always protect your freedom”

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Terence Hill

    “Islanders of the Chagos Islands: “We have self-determination and we are an independent nation”

    They are a people that have taken that very claim to courts, and lost.
    Both the Chagossians and the Mauritanians accepted the deals they were offered. Thus ECHR is quite correct, and the UK can now quite simply say any further legal scrutiny is barred as Res Judicata “also known as claim preclusion, is the Latin term for ”a matter decided” and refers to either of two concepts in both civil law and common law legal systems: a case in which there has been a final judgment and is no longer subject to appeal; and the legal doctrine meant to bar (or preclude) relitigation of a claim between the same parties.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_judicata

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    Terence, you have no idea of anything. When was the deal? Before they got independence?. So you mean that britain made a deal with herself?. A deal between Britain with its british colony?. Mauritious first president said that he had no option than to accept the deal in order to Britain accept to start their independence. what other deal do you mean?.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Tænk

    Mr. Jo Bloggs...
    You say...:
    - That’s either a very bad translation or CFK hasn’t made any sense.
    I say...:
    - That's not only a bad translation..., matey...
    That's also a manipulation of the original text to reflect what Lisa Watson & Co. wants you to Tænk...
    You know how that lass can twist things..., don't ya...?
    https://www.pagina12.com.ar/404437-texto-completo-de-la-declaracion-de-cristina-kirchner-sobre-
    Chuckle..., chuckle...

    Mr. Pgerman...
    - My fierce anti-peronist..., neo-liberal..., Freemasonic follower of the great architect of the universe Argentinean connational...
    - Finally we agree on something...!

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Monkeymagic

    pgerman

    You are not very bright are you? Or perhaps you do know the difference?

    The top three are a clear discussion between territorial integrity and the right to self determination, they are a conflict between the two. The areas were/are part of one country and the people who live there may or may not want that to change. This is true in Scotland, Catalonia, Hawaii and many other places in the world. It is up to the country for which they are currently a part to manage.

    Chagos was poorly managed, but difficult to see what the alternative was. There was no freshwater on Diego Garcia, all the businesses were closing and the small number of inhabitants who were exported to Mauritius accepted relocation payments. Very few actually want to return most just want more money.

    The Falkland Islands are none of these. There is no territorial integrity question, they are not part of Argentina and never have been, they are no more part of Argentina than any island group 300 miles of the coast of any country (Cuba is not part of the US, New Zealand is not part of Australia)

    The Falkland Island referendum was to show they have self determination to keep their current British Overseas Territory status.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeee...
    Brainwashed Anglo Turnip above repeats like a parrot...:
    - “”“There was no freshwater on Diego Garcia”“”

    I say...:
    - Except for the average 3.7 meters rain falling evenly through the year over that blessed tropical island...
    -Same rainfall that allows the inhabitants of hundreds of tropical Isles through the World to thrive...

    What a Turnip...!



    https://tropicalclimate.org/chagos/Climate.htm#:~:text=The%20islands%20of%20the%20Chagos,to%20more%20than%203700%20mm.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    The Mauritanians accepted the compensation they were offered, and the clock has run out on further claims.

    “There is a general principle, in international law jurisprudence, that claims may be extinguished by the passage of time.
    “The principle of extinctive prescription, the bar of claims by lapse of time, is recognized by international law. It has been applied by arbitration tribunals in a number of cases. ... Undue delay in presenting a claim, which may lead to it being barred, is to distinguished from effects of the passage of time on the merits of the claim in cases where the claimant state has, by failing to protest or otherwise, given evidence of acquiescence’.
    The Gentini case PCA 1903...claims against Venezuela on the part of the Italian government on behalf of an Italian citizen alleging A DEBT THAT HAD ACCRUED THIRTY YEARS EARLIER.
    ”A stale claim does not become any less so because it happens to be an international one, and this tribunal, in dealing with it, cannot escape the obligation of a universally recognized principle simply because there happens to be no code of positive rules by which its action is to be governed.”
    Accordingly, Gentini provides historical evidence that, … the PCA in 1903, identify that the applicability of a prescription period in international law. …
    Gentini’s … law can be seen as that contributes to the modern understanding of the doctrine as based on (i) national law (a sense that finality is proper), (ii) a GENERAL PROPOSITION THAT FINALITY IS NECESSARY, and (iii) the ethical-moral precept that it is somehow wrong or negligent for a claim not to be asserted within an unspecified, and perhaps undefinable period of time.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Steve Potts

    S pain has the same ridiculous attitude re territorial integrity reference Gibraltar. Here the former First Minister of Gibraltar gives an explanation to the decolonisation committee -

    Joseph Bossano, former Chief Minister of Gibraltar, addressed the Special Committee’s failure to deal with the rights of the Territory’s people of Gibraltar under the United Nations Charter and decolonization resolutions. Spain has been repeating the history of Gibraltar’s capture, but not too accurately, he said, noting that Spanish Gibraltar was attacked by a combined force of Dutch and English marines on 3 August 1704 and surrendered within 24 hours. However, the Charter is not retrospective to 1700, so the principle of territorial integrity enshrined in the document does not refer to a situation that occurred 300 years ago, he emphasized.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jo Bloggs

    Argentina complains about what ‘the West’ does to it all the time. ‘The West’ and ‘the East’ have no formal definitions, they are only notional and they vary depending on context, but I’m afraid to say that you dysfunctional bunch of Italians, Spaniards and Germans are a Western country. Not developed like most of ‘the West’ but nonetheless, totally influenced by ‘the West.’

    Chuckle chuckle

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Joe Bloggs..

    You say...:
    “” The West’ and ‘the East’ have no formal definitions, they are only notional and they vary depending on context “”

    I say...:
    - Well..., you just used different words to define “Double Standards”..., me Quasi-Kelper lad...
    -Bit like when you Anglos..., after assasinating unarmed muslim babies and auld ladies call it “Collateral Damage”...

    Capisce...?

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Monkeymagic

    Poor dim-witted “Think” (who never does).

    The sediments on Diego Garcia are very porous, therefore the rainwater percolates very quickly into the salt water below.

    What you are suggesting is that the handful of Chagos islanders who remained after all the businesses had left would have the technology or ability to sink the shallow horizontal wells used by the air base today, or to have been able to have sufficiently harvested rainwater in cisterns so that they never ran out.

    Trying to be clever doesn't suit you.

    So, the Chagos Islanders may not have liked their livelihood disappearing but it was going anyway, but most chose the cash alternative to leave.

    Still, your support of them is interesting, as you do not afford the Falkland Islanders the same respect.

    Turnip!

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeee...
    Any other Anglo Brainwashed Turnip in here that wants to tell us that them 1960's brownish Man Fridays & Tarzans of Chagos were too stupid to be able to collect 3,700 liters of rainwater x square meter...

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Liberato

    Here we go again. Before the independence of Mauritious. Britain split the territory administrativelly in two. So Mauritious made no deal. The deal was made between Britain and Britain colonial administration in Mauritious.

    Monkeymagic, you said: “Chagos was poorly managed, but difficult to see what the alternative was. There was no freshwater on Diego Garcia, all the businesses were closing and the small number of inhabitants who were exported to Mauritius accepted relocation payments. Very few actually want to return most just want more money.”

    Ahhh i get it, there was no freshwater, so it was better to keep the place british uh?. From the chagossian perspective the history is totally different. The british started to restrict their movements in the island, they cut their fresh water, restricted their food and restricted any new refreshment from elsewhere. I think they had many reasons to abandon the place.
    OH but in Malvinas they are white british so they have “self determination” rights.

    You are a little nazi monkey, arent you?

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Putin obviously is playing chess with a senile old gutless hypocrite lacking leadership.

    Let’s hope that the current international discourse eventually be settled — as the issue has become too dangerous to continue.

    In my opinion — the Russians are doing exactly as they threatened do — seizing the current situation after the USA showed a complete understanding of the conflict. Russians are willing to forgo international sanctions — as there are unwilling to tolerate what they see as a threat to their nation.

    Meanwhile it’s another beautiful marvelous Summer’s day here in the Aconcagua Valley…

    The current table grape harvest is progressing wonderfully well and our first shipments (via Wilmington Delaware) were successfully accepted to WEGMANS supermarkets.

    Our first European shipment (via Rotterdam) hopefully will be trans-shipped will be marketed by TESCO.

    Although the current markets are excellent — we are experiencing substantial additional costs which will affect the eventual bottom-line.

    Don’t underestimate the current worldwide agriculture logistical fiasco. It is going to be far more severe and prolonged than what the vast majority has led themselves to believe.


    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Tænk

    TWIMC...

    Putin obviously is playing chess with a senile old gutless hypocrite lacking leadership who's only surviving son is more than heavily involved in the affairs of THE MOST CORRUPT Nation on the Great Central European Plain..., I would dare to say...

    On the bright side..., after some 144 hours of almost complete One-Sided Cold War Rethoric by the European Main Media..., I am happy to say that the trend is changing quite rapidly...

    Let's leave our Great- Grandchildren something worth inheriting...

    Capisce....?

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Estimado Tænk


    YES! “One-Sided Cold War Rethoric by the European Main Media” correctly assesses the situation perfectly!

    Normally I would side with the majority of the Western media detesting the Russian invasion of the Ukraine — but I see this conflict has been increasingly escalating for years with no real leadership.

    I detest the Russian invasion — but I clearly see the current crisis affecting the current economic trade negatively — especially considering there is absolutely no clear current leadership ESPECIALLY from the USA.

    This crisis endangers our worldwide economy and frankly the Ukraine is even MORE corrupt than the Russians themselves.

    Meanwhile, I continue our harvest here in Chile hoping the season completes without market interruption. Costs of everything are rapidly escalating!

    Let's hope my grandchildren have a better world of inheriting...


    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rule_britannia

    Double standards? You are right, Chris!

    United Nations Security Council Resolution 502, adopted on 3 April 1982, demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities between Argentina and the United Kingdom and a complete withdrawal of ARGENTINE (not British) forces.

    In the latest conflict, the Security Council rejected a draft resolution intended to end the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.

    Now, does that really advance your position on the “Malvinas”, Chris?

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk

    Esteemed Shicuréo...

    Some few hours ago we have gotten Information Censorship up here...

    As China, Cuba and North Korea do..., Europe has decided to block the “Enemy's” signal...
    Tell me..., are you still able to watch news from “Russia Today” or “Sputnik” in our beloved Shile...?

    - A positive point though is that we surely will have a luuuuuuvely Ligurean Rivera Summer Season free from all those annoying Ukrainian & Russian nouveau riche oligarchs...

    Saludos...

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado Tænk

    We still have complete access of all news media sites including RT news which I just checked.

    Normally I would have been outraged with an Russian invasion — but the Ukrainian corruption situation is outrageous and the conflict has been occurring there for several years — notably Crimea and the eastern provinces.

    I find the current situation to be a tragedy not was not necessary if there was leadership by the USA.

    Enjoy your absence of Russian nouveau riche oligarchs cluttering your beaches — as we here in Chile have actually missed our Argentine visitors this season.

    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Yes, I am exactly saying that the inhabitants of Diego Garcia were unlikely to have the knowledge or engineering skills to sink the complex horizontal wells that are necessary to ensure that only freshwater and not saline water is extracted, nor indeed to understand the levels to which that freshwater can be extracted without permanently upsetting the balance.

    The geology of Diego Garcia is incredibly complex and years of hydrogeological analysis was required to build the existing system.

    So, no your average plantation labourer would not know that, irrespective of colour.

    Likewise, collecting rainwater in cisterns is great until it doesn't rain for a while and you have no back up system. I am sure you could look up the longest dry spell since 1965.

    Chicureo

    The Chagos islanders did have rights to stay on Chagos, the vast majority took payment in lieu of those rights, the very few (fewer than 50) who did not should not have been evicted, sadly they would probably have died from dehydration but that's self-determination.

    Interesting that you think denying islanders self-determination constitutes Nazism...I agree with you wrt the Falklands.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Don't be such a proletarian farmer hermanito...

    Them Ucrainian & Russian nouveau riche oligarchs do not clutter our beaches..., like our Argie female godesses clutter yours...

    They clutter our marinas and best anchor places with their super-yachts..., our property market..., buying & renting at stupidly high prices.., our best restaurants..., ever-boasting and lousy-tipping..., our nicest bars..., driving the prices of a humble Spritz or a Pirlo to astronomical heights...

    Capisce...?

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Monkeymagic

    Actually I have NOT expressed an opinion of the Chagos islanders returning.

    Frankly, I’m a simple campesino here in the Aconcagua Valley trying to harvest our modest table grape crop during these challenging times.

    Estimado Tænk

    I actually have missed our Argentine vacation visitors — and sincerely hope they eventually return when they can.

    Unfortunately many cannot afford the increased costs due to their poor economy.

    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Heyyy..., hermanito...

    - As a simple campesino used to harvest your modest crops during challenging times...., you could maybe explain your above very confused Anglo Brainwashed Turnip friend that.., in a place like the Chagos Islands..., with a very stable annual rainfall of ~3,700mm..., a simple & cheap corrugated anodized steel round tank of ~5 meters in diameter could easily collect, store & provide plenty of excellent drinking water for a biiig brownish family..., pigs..., chickens and dogs during many..., many..., many..., many years... for way under 500 U$D...

    https://fiasa.com.ar/producto/tanque-australiano-fiasa-5-chapas-n18-de-110-x-305-capacidad-17-494-litros-codigo-211108305/

    Thanks in advance for your kind help... ;-)

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    As the Falklands have been British since before Argentina existed in any form and have never legitimately been administered by, or formed part of, the sovereign territory of the Republic of Argentina, they cannot disrupt the territorial integrity of Argentina, in any form.

    You just have to check your history.

    The Chagossians have twice freely accepted financial compensation, in full and final settlement of damages. Such that a third application was turned down both in the UK and Europe.

    The Americans will leave as life in the Islands/coral reefs/submerged, will become untenable even for them. Then as agreed, the Islands/coral reefs/submerged will be handed over to Mauritius, who will plunder whatever they can.

    It is for the Mauritius Gov to state their position on a ‘return’ for the Chagossians. As it is they who will have to carry it out.

    Liberato
    Been reading your ‘History Book according to Putin’, again, I see.

    ‘they cut their fresh water’

    Humm. But, Ersatz Stinke says:

    ‘Brainwashed Turnip in here that wants to tell us that them 1960's brownish Man Fridays & Tarzans of Chagos were too stupid to be able to collect 3,700 liters of rainwater x square meter...’

    You MalviNazis need to get your bullshit straight.

    Kurepi Planters: Go F*ck Yourselves!!!

    Chicureo
    Hola Compadre, trust all is well with you and yours?

    Mr Putin is no longer just dealing with sleepy Joe, this ‘special military operation’ in Ukraine has united Europe (geographical Europe, not just the EU) in a way I have never seen before.

    Germany (unbelievably), deciding to henceforth spend 2%+ of GDP (NATO requirement, which only the Americans, British and French do) on defence. Which will make it the third largest defence budget in the world behind the USA and China. Russia is currently fifth.

    Which they are not going to spend on aircraft carriers and a blue water navy, but on land and air forces.

    A fundamental shift in military power in Europe.

    Stay well Compadre.

    Mar 01st, 2022 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    PUGOL (TTWH)

    
Mutual greetings from the Southern Hemisphere!

    Fortunately our entire (growing) family is all healthy as I hope all those you hold dear are also as well!

    It’s good that most of Western Europe has finally united — but they should have done this long ago when it was emphasized during the previous USA administration.

    Also it does need to be emphasized that the Ukraine government is highly corrupt — with several regions already separated earlier — which has been ignored.

    I have no admiration for Russia and I do admire the current attitude of President Zelensky — but this terrible tragedy would not occur with stronger leadership — especially from the USA!

    Personally I’m saddened with the terrible consequences of the worldwide repercussions — especially to the entire economic system.

    I agree that NATO as well is fundamentally changed almost overnight.

    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Mar 02nd, 2022 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Judge Jose

    To compare the Ukraine situation to the Falklands is just bonkers. Putin is a despotic dictator who has killed off democracy in Russia, who arrests and jails opposition, leaders. bans peaceful protests, and kills anyone he wants, he was a huge supporter of the communist state being a KGB agent, He wants to recreate the Russian Empire/Soviet Union, and has been planning it for years, Chrissy old girl, with stupid statements like your latest old girl no wonder the UN laughs at you,

    Mar 02nd, 2022 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Oh Dear Think (sic)

    https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/british-indian-ocean-territory/diego-garcia-climate#rainfall

    Not quite the story you told us is it?

    You claimed 3700mm of very stable rainfall.

    We can now see for Diego Garcia annual rainfall of 2200mm considerably less than you claim, and far from being stable there are four months with very low rainfall. Average days of rain in February is 1 day.

    So your 5m water butt is supposed to collect sufficient rainwater in the 11 days of rainfall in December to get them through to May the following year, and if they get it wrong, or there is greater evaporation, or the rain doesn't come until June....they die!

    But of course you wouldn't care that the “brown people” die of dehydration if you think wrongly it supports your “fetish” around the Falklands (which of course it doesnt!)

    So, not the 3700mm you claimed, not the stable rainfall you claimed, not the 5
    metre tanks to claimed.

    Other than that Good job...chuckle......Capische....

    Mar 02nd, 2022 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeeee...

    - My Chagos Climate information comes from...:
    https://tropicalclimate.org/chagos/Climate.htm#:~:text=Chagos%20Archipelago%20has%20a%20tropical,F)%20and%20elevated%20humidity%20levels.
    - An ORGanization describing itself as..:
    “Climate, Environmental and Information Technology Research and Its Use around the Tropical Indian Ocean...
    - We do work in related research areas such as hydrology, oceanography, remote sensing, geo-informatics and on the social sciences pertaining to technology and environment...
    - We work substantially in Sri Lanka, Maldives, Comoros and Botswana, with contributions in Southern India and emerging work in Thailand and Seychelles through multi-country or pan-Indian Ocean projects...
    - We have worked in water resources, public health, disaster risk management, agriculture, coastal zone management, and wildlife sectors...
    - Ours is a non-profit consortium driven by excellence in research and service to societies and the environment and registered in Kandy and New York....”

    The Chagos climate information from the Brainwashed Anglo Turnips above comes from something called...:
    “weather-atlas.com”..., A Nondescript Site that..., after some research..., shows to be just another inconsequential Automated Internet Holiday Weather Page full of errors...

    Take your Pick...
    Chuckle, chuckle...

    Mar 02nd, 2022 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Oh dear oh dear Think

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/diego-fdo-handbook.doc

    Lets try the actual Meterological Study carried out by the people actually on Diego Garcia, the US Navy, with measurements taken for the Naval Command

    It says average annual precipitation is 102 inches....now lets see, is that “Thinks” 3700mm erm no it isn't , its actually 2600mm far closer to the “inconsequential internet holiday weather page”

    oh look.....it also gives the range of rainfall per month....which could be important if you die if it doesnt rain.....

    Again, not quite the “stable” rainfall you claimed...but heavily variable one year to the next.

    Seems like poor Think, or should we call you “Thick” dont know his arris from his elbow....and would have left them poor brown folks to die....by giving them very poor information.....

    Sorry your dead Mr Chagossian but “Thick” said it would rain!!!!

    Mar 02nd, 2022 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

    - Do Brainwashed Anglo Turnips know how to read...???
    - The new link provided by the Turnip confirms IN FULL the data, statistics and conclusions of my original link that reads as follows..:

    1) “The islands of the Chagos Archipelago are the wettest coral islands in the Indian Ocean, with mean annual rainfall of up to more than 3700 mm. Rainfall is high and fairly evenly distributed. The mean annual rainfall for the periods 1937-38 and 1951-66 is 2599 mm, but actual annual totals, however, vary from 1465 mm to 5805 mm. Varying rainfall lies across the northern part of the Chagos between Addu and Diego Garcia: from Diego Garcia to Salomon, a distance of 220 km, there is a rainfall gradient of approximately 6 mm per km. Monthly rainfall at Diego Garcia is highest in January, February and October, and lowest during the Trades, in April to August, when the monthly mean is less than 200 mm...”

    2) “”The authors concluded that “Collectively, these results suggest that this has been a relatively stable physical environment, and that these low-lying coral islands should continue to be able to support human habitation, as they have done for much of the last 200 years.” (Dunne, R.P, 2012)“”

    https://tropicalclimate.org/chagos/Climate.htm#:~:text=Chagos%20Archipelago%20has%20a%20tropical,F)%20and%20elevated%20humidity%20levels.

    Read & Learn..., Turnip...

    Mar 02nd, 2022 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Fascinating though ‘mean annual rainfall’ is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl224mhlA8

    It is not ‘1960's brownish Man Fridays & Tarzans’ only problem, the soils cannot support goats never mind crops, freshwater aquifers, such as they are, are rapidly being inundated by sea water, and sea-level rise is swamping the atolls.

    And one good tropical storm (and they are getting better) will soon wash the top off whatever is still above sea level.

    Never mind hospitals or healthcare.

    Crawley is not so bad by comparison.

    At least you can survive there.

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    TWIMC...

    What part of...:
    ... “”The authors concluded that “Collectively, these results suggest that this has been a relatively stable physical environment, and that these low-lying coral islands should continue to be able to support human habitation, as they have done for much of the last 200 years.” (Dunne, R.P, 2012)“”
    ... do them Engrish Turnips not understand...?

    https://tropicalclimate.org/chagos/Climate.htm#:~:text=Chagos%20Archipelago%20has%20a%20tropical,F)%20and%20elevated%20humidity%20levels.

    Read & Learn..., Turnips

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    oh dear Mr Thick!

    Not only have you now admitted got the raw data wrong and the mean rainfall is 2600mm, not the 3700mm you initially claimed, you also didn't understand what the next article says....

    The new evidence is about climate change impacting the support of the airbase not availability of drinking water for 50 or so Chagos islanders with no support from the outside world, typical Argie Mavinas fetish Turnip....loses one debate and starts another on unrelated whataboutery.


    So, with highly variable seasonal rainfall, and the need for complex horizontal wells to extract any groundwater, the Chagos Islanders would have been taking a hell of a risk staying on the islands with little or no access to emergency freshwater.

    Of course, you would be happy to leave them to this fate, having already promised them 50% more rainwater than they were going to get (already you've conceded that was a lie), and that the rainwater is highly seasonal (you lied that it was stable).

    Unfortunately you are unable to “read and learn” Thick, as your fetish around the “Malvinas” blinds you into telling huge lies, hoping we don't read your nnnsense and call you out on it.

    So:

    Are you prepared to admit:

    You lied about 3700mm of rainfall
    You lied when you said it was stable
    You lied when Dunne 2012 was about rainfall sustaining a Chagos islander population

    Capische!!!

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Ersatz Stinke
    Yes, it also says:

    ‘The current consensus is that global mean sea level has risen at a rate of about 2 mm yr-1 during the 20th century, and at about 3.2 mm yr-1 over the last 20 years’

    ‘n 2003, based only on short tide-gauge data sets, Sheppard and Spalding (2003) examined the records on Diego Garcia in the south east of the archipelago and concluded that relative sea level had risen at a rate of 5.44 mm yr-1 over the period 1988 to 1999. A subsequent analysis of the same record for the period 1988 to 2000 reported a rise of 4.35 mm yr-1.’

    Where the average height above sea level of Diego Garcia is just over one meter.

    ‘The archipelago is vulnerable to the physical pressures from global warming and climate change. These include:
    Sea level rises leading to inundation of low-lying islands.
    Sea surface temperature rises leading to coral bleaching and mortality.
    Coastal erosion from loss of protective structure of reef due to coral mortality.
    Rising CO levels causing ocean acidification and reduced reef growth.
    As the islands, are mainly less than two metres above sea-level, they are increasingly vulnerable to erosion, loss of fresh water supplies, flooding, property damage, transportation disruptions and other effects of rising sea-level. (Stoddart, D.R., 1971)’

    Not to mention a total lack of infrastructure on the Chagos.

    Or the fact that they are literally in the middle of nowhere when it comes to getting there, or from there.

    You could in theory at least, at great cost, resettle a very small number of people for a very limited period of time.

    Whether the Mauritius Gov can be persuaded to do that is another question.

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Geeeeee....

    Them Anglo Brainwashed Turnips swallowed hook, line and sinker (and repeat it as parrots) their Brutish government lies about...: ”No Fresh Water in Chagos...

    When I force them to realize that it annually rains THREE (3) to FOUR (4) TIMES MORE OVER CHAGOS THAN OVER GLASGOW... :-)))))..., they suddenly get terribly worried about them Poor Brownish Tarzans and Man Fridays not having Starbucks and Tesco's...

    Brainwash anyone...?

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    hahaha

    Not many people in Glasgow need rainfall for their tap water do they though Stink?

    Freshwater is collected in reservoirs or extracted from acquifers or drawn from rivers....none of which are available in Diego Garcia.

    you have been proven (yet again) a liar and a fool....who swivels on his own lies til they choke him..

    poor Stink, so wrapped in his Malvinas fetish he doesnt understand that there is a reason why most people don't drink rainwater.

    Better to be worried about those “Brown Tarzans” than leave them to die, as your lies and fetish would do!

    Chuckle chuckle

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk

    Rest my case...
    What a Turnip...!

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Of course “rest your case”. You are a Malvinista fetishist

    I proved you lied about 3700mm of rainfall
    I proved you lied that it was stable throughout the year
    I proved you then deflected with a climate change argument
    I proved that collecting rainfall alone was completely impractical and almost certain to result in death

    and you “rest your case”

    Likewise

    We prove Argentina did not inherit from Spain
    We prove Vernet ran a small business and voluntarily left the islands
    We prove that the Sarandi crew mutinied, raped and murdered and left after 6 weeks

    and you again “rest your case”

    The problem is Thick, that in both instances your case is pathetic, full of lies, diversions, irrelevancies and incompetence......

    SO rest what you like, spend years trolling on a internet site virtually nobody reads, safe in the knowledge that everybody knows you have been owned!!

    Chuckle chuckle

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Tænk

    Pfff...

    Mar 03rd, 2022 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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