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“Argentina never created conditions for Falkland Islanders to become Argentine citizens”, lawmaker Milei
“Malvinas sovereignty negotiations are going to be very long. it's a complicated issue”, and although a territorial claim, “Argentina never created the conditions for Falkland Islanders to want to become Argentine citizens”, said Javier Milei, an Argentine member of the Lower House who was the sensation of last October's midterm election Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCrikey...an Argentine politician talking sense
Apr 13th, 2022 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse +3He won’t last long…sadly.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse +4Reading between the lines he believes the Falklands is a lost cause but even he knows to say that at this stage would be risky. Let’s watch his publicly stated stance become more realistic as (if) his numbers continue to grow.
No matter how much Argentine policy changes to try and make the islanders want to become Argentine, it simply wont happen. If we felt we wanted to be Argentines we would have leaned towards that when Argentina was a very wealthy country. But we did not for the simple fact we dont want to become Argentines, never have and never will. More so since they brutally invaded us in 1982. That was the last nail in the coffin of any hope of ever wanting to become Argentine.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Their track record is really bad. They are known land grabbers. They treat their own people with contempt. They have destroyed their own economy. They have created mass poverty. They have become debt ridden. They even got rid of upwards of thirty thousand people who simply dissapeared.
Why in gods name would we ever contemplate changing our rationality.
We chose by an internationally recognised referendum in 2013 by an overwhelming convincing majority of 99.98% to remain a British Overseas Territory and to live the lives of our choosing.
The islanders have decided their future and it's not with Argentina period.
“The Malvinas situation is an issue linked to a territorial claim, since it has to do with geography...
Apr 13th, 2022 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Falklands – Argentina’s Geographical Affinity Claim (1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/66340704/Falklands_Argentinas_Geographical_Affinity_Claim
And,
Falklands Self-Determination
General Assembly resolutions are generally considered to be non-binding. Those issued by the Security Council are considered binding. According to Article 25 of the UN Charter, all members of the UN “agree to carry out and accept the decisions of the Security Council in accordance with the present Charter”. (Are UN resolutions legally enforceable? allaboutlaw.co.uk, 31 Oct 2018).
Resolution 502 (1982) of 3 April 1982
The Security Council,
3. Calls on the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to seek a diplomatic solution to their differences and to respect fully the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations
Comment: The above gave Britain the right of citing the principle of self-determination for the Falkland Islanders in any negotiation.
Quite frankly with the total and absolute chaos reigning in Argentina which has gone on for some considerable time, cannot see anybody wishing to be come part of the country or even to be considered residents thereof. Be they Falklanders/Malvinenses or anybody else for that matter.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2In fact the number of Argentines “fleeing” to Uruguay and requesting residence are quite impressive. A sure sign of the times.!!
I Was trying to think where I have seen this Man before and then suddenly it came to Me its “David Watson”, the guy that had applied on Britain`s Got Talent about 12 times and failed to get past the audition stage.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Steve Potts - your comment “Falklands – Argentina’s Geographical Affinity Claim (1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/66340704/Falklands_Argentinas_Geographical_Affinity_Claim” is a good enough reason to dismiss the “geographical proximity” argument for the Islands being part of Argentina, but even more convincing is the fact that at the time of the supposed “usurpation” in 1833, the Southern border of Argentina was less than 100 miles South of Buenos Aires, and almost 1000 miles from the islands, making any idea of it being “just off the coast of Argentina” plain nonsense.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina took Patagonia by murderous military force after the 1860s. Even if you agree that the UK usurped in 1833 (which I don’t), it was done bloodlessly, and only affected fewer than 60 people. If Patagonia is Argentinean, the Falklands are British!
Argentina should not be trying to make the islanders want to be Argentinians. The sovereignty territorial dispute has absolutely nothing to do with that.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -6I was wondering what was taking MercoPress so long to recruit this clown's statements to join their propaganda project.
“Argentina should not be trying to make the islanders want to be Argentinians”. But you want to FORCE them to be Argentinians. According to Argentine law they already ARE Argentinians. Argentine citizenship is one of the few on the planet which is unrenouncible. It is impossible to get rid of it. But, fortunately, Argentine laws cannot be enforced in the F.I. There are no Argentine police, no Argentine prosecutors, no Argentine lawyers, no Argentine courts, no Argentine prisons, no Argentine nothing there.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +5LOL that's funny Swede. I never looked at it that way, I guess I didn't know about that non renounceable characteristic of Argentine citizenship. I think it's more a matter of when you take on certain other citizenships not allowing by law to keep your Argentinian one. But I can't imagine what countries that would be. Or rather it is about never loosing it, not not being able to renounce it. I'll have to look into it more.
Apr 13th, 2022 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5In any case, that's another subject, plus Argentina could never just make islanders Argentinians, more precisely they are given acceptance automatically if they so request it. It's different to what you think.
What I'm saying is that this is a territorial matter that precedes the arrival of the islanders, it is not about them, it does not involve their “rights to self determination”. The reason is that their “rights to self determination” only involve Britain's administration of the islands. They as people have no authority that would resolve or determine the outcome of any country's sovereignty matters with another country. That only concerns Britain and Argentina. These are matters that dwell and stay at level of government. A people's single government. Nor does it toggle between main government or sub-government, meaning it does not involve either the FIG.
They can however be mad at Britain for not doing anything to resolve and end the dispute. And Britain could also apologize to them for putting them in this predicament, itself caused and maintains in a constante smoulder, ultimately one can say.
You can't blame Argentina for the situation the islanders find themselves in. Argentina has simply chosen to have a matter of countryhood and sovereignty respected honored and observed by denouncing it as a transgression by another country. It has nothing to do with the Falklanders, other than when one talks about those Falklanders who take it upon themselves to badger attack hate slander lie about or whatever, Argentinians or Argentina.
What dispute Pat?
Apr 14th, 2022 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse +3All questions were resolved to the UN's satisfaction in 1989.
Last UN Resolution was 1988.
If there was a dispute between its members, surely there would be a UN Resolution?
Nothing since 1988. Feel free to check
https://research.un.org/en/docs/ga/quick/regular/75
Trimonde
Apr 14th, 2022 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse +2Thanks for the clarity of your insane position.
You are claiming a country can claim sovereignty of a country based on a historic claim where either nobody from that country (i.e. your inheritance from Spain) or 25 murderers and rapists visited there for 90 days (Mestevier and SS Sarandi), irrespective of the inhabitants.
This would 99% of the worlds surface under “sovereignty” dispute. Spain has a much stronger claim on Argentina, Britain could reclaim Canada, The Welsh should claim Patagonia.....Mongols could claim China....we would be in eternal wars.
Or we could accept the status quo, where there are only two arguments on sovereignty....either self-determination or territorial integrity. Neither support Argentina's claim.
If 1833 is insufficient for a usurpation, how about 1492? All those of European descent (including you) on the Americas leave and return....How about 20,000BC...we all need to go back to Africa?
You argument is/always was a nonsense, The islands were never usurped.
Argentina goes back to 1833 and say that the “Malvinas” are “usurped” Argentine territory and the present inhabitants are “implanted”. If that was proved true many other countries could start claiming territory all over the globe. If Germany ever got a more chauvinistic government it could start claiming territories in the east “usurped” by Poland, Russia &c in 1918 and 1945. Lots of borders have been changed in the 19th and 20th centuries. Furthermore, the Argentine “presence” in the F.I. in 1833 was very small and very short-lived. If thousands of Argentines had been living there for hundreds of years and then expelled by the evil Brits I could have been more understanding.
Apr 14th, 2022 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse +2So because these people settled the island after an arbitrary date, they deserve no rights at all? I’m a bit confused since I thought as a species we have the brainpower to accept people’s different views and desires… But it seems Trimonde believes because these people moved in just after 1833 (which was before the Germans moved into Argentina and made it what it is today, a cesspit) they don’t have the right to decide their land’s allegiance and instead must be forcibly taken by a Spano-German country hell bent on exploiting the local oil reserves in the waters despite the global shift to renewable energy.
Apr 14th, 2022 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse +2I would guess that more Argentinians would wish to be British than islanders would wish to be Argentinians.
Apr 14th, 2022 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse +3If as Trimonde suggests that the inhabitants dont count in this territorial dispute then I wonder why Argentina is involved in it given they did not even have an independent country then. More so they did not even have Patagonia.
Apr 14th, 2022 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse +2So given that the people of Patagonia surely have more or just as equal rights to take back their stolen land.
Time to get facts right. The world has today changed. No longer does one argue about past historical rights except of course Argentina so what is the the point of trying to remove a population of islanders in todays world when they today have absolute rights to choose their own distinay . Maybe Trimonde might like to expand on that.
All Buenos Aires has ever had is a 90 day illegal occupation of a land that was already claimed. a small group of murderers and rapists were peacefully evicted, they were warned twice not to invade and warned again to leave after they ignored the first two warnings, everything else is just irrelevant nonsense from a desperate people,
Apr 14th, 2022 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Falklands-Free what do you expect from a birdbrain like Thirdworld, also known as Trimode?
Apr 14th, 2022 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Having or not having “Patagonia” Falklands-Foe, is entirely a British invention, who as always for some unknown reason have it in their DNA to always be looking for the categories, the separations, the segregations, the divisions and what have you in foreign countries and peoples. Argentina progressed territorially from founding places of its main cities, weaving closer together as the centuries past, gradually extending what they considered “civilized land” JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD HAS STUPID, layering over those who had previously layered over others before them in a never ending progression that describes the expansion of human civilization on this planet. Patagonia has only and always been a topographical geographical region, first denoted for its dry wind swept at times inhospitable steppes. It was never understood even as a region before the Spanish did. Later that notion extended, always in a geographical sense in reference to the whole development-challenged southern extreme of the continent including Chile.
Apr 15th, 2022 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse -3The fact that the British seek to identify it politically or associate it FALSLY to some kind of “ownership area” by indigenous people, speaks clearly about their invasive contemptuous mentality, which rather than respect and appreciate countries in their own right, is always seeing them as the object of their subjective-ness and pretentious pedentatic-ness.
But what can YOU possibly understand about this, when you are part of a tinny society that has developed in the bubble of these egotistical short sighted views, possessing only but four or five notions with which to understand our world by, one of which is most repeatedly demonstrated as not having in you the sensible so much as intuition of honoring and respecting the integrity of other nations, since you yourself lack one, and so demonstrate like the political mentality ruling your head, nothing but despair and contempt for the substance and worth of other people's nations.
Aha the refreshment of the loser’s lament.
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