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Falklands: Stop double standards UN says MLA Short
MEMBER of Legislative Assembly Gavin Short called on the United Nations not to have “double standards” when it came to the Falklands while giving a speech during a meeting in St Lucia. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI agree with some of what MLA Short says except ““two big powers talking together about our future”
May 20th, 2022 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly the UK is a big power...but Argentina...???
I agree, Argentina is not a big power. What is weird, is that the british living in Malvinas consider the british living in Europe as another power different than them. They are british, but they talk of Britain in third person. There grows no trees in Malvinas but i assume they grow other “vegetables”.
May 20th, 2022 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Libby,, no such place as the Malvinas, never has been and never will be,
May 20th, 2022 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In accordance with a decision of the Fourth Committee of the General Assembly at its
May 21st, 2022 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse -31560th meeting, on 18 November 1965, of which note was taken by the General Assembly
at the 1398th plenary meeting, on 16 December 1965, the name to be applied to the Territory
of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) in all United Nations documents is the following:
(a) In English, “Falkland Islands (Malvinas)”;
(b) In Spanish, “Islas Malvinas (Falkland Islands)”;
(c) In all languages other than English and Spanish, the equivalent of “Falkland
Islands (Malvinas)”
In addition, where a reference to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) may raise or bear upon
the question of sovereignty over the Territory, it should be accompanied, as the case requires, either by the standard disclaimer set forth in administrative instruction
ST/AI/189/Add.25/Rev.1 of 20 January 1997 or (especially in the case of an isolated reference to the Territory) by a note or footnote reading:
“A dispute exists between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the Falkland Islands
(Malvinas).
I expect MLA Gavin Short`s Words will fall upon Deaf ears as this Committee has never shown any support for the Falklands ! it truly Beggars Belief that this organisation still exists.
May 21st, 2022 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dirk Dikkler, ten territories under british colonialism in this 21 century and the fault is on the committe???. Its like Hitler convincing its people that the jews was the problem of Germany and all the germans suddenly started to resent the jews for being so “evil”. Your government will not tell you they steal, grab exploit or militarize foreign territories for strategic or economic reasons. They will tell you they keep Malvinas to “defend” a people there. They will tell you they occupy Diego Garcia to secure the national security in the region as if Mauritious are going to invade England.
May 21st, 2022 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Libby again you have gone down the road of waffle and nonsense, comparing Hitlers hatred of Jews with anything is disgusting,
May 21st, 2022 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It’s like Hitler convincing its people that … “
May 21st, 2022 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1”Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies, is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1
Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions. He stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics. Later it was applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetori where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.
In 2012, “Godwin's law” became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary. In 2021, Harvard researchers published an article stating the law does not apply in Reddit discussions.”
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Judge Jose, you said that there is “no such place as the Malvinas”. And i replied the nomenclature used by the United Nations to refers to that territory. No jibba jabba nor waffle.
May 21st, 2022 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -3About Hitler, i was not meant to compare Hitler with the UK, i used it as an example of how naive people trust their governments to the most insane attrocities made with the excuse of good intentions. Keeping inhabitants of Diego Garcia out of their home for british national security and the british military protection of the region its absurd. It is a military base used for strategic purposes. Not for defense for sure.
Terence Hill, Again, my bad. I was not trying to compare Hitler with the UK.
“I was not meant to compare Hitler with the UK, i used it as an example”
May 21st, 2022 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Relevance of Intention in Argument Evaluation Charlotte Jørgensen
Over the last decades, the notion of intentionality has been challenged from various theoretical perspectives within rhetoric and argumentation.”(the action or process of reasoning systematically in support of an idea, action, or theory: lines of argumentation used to support his thesis.)
“The major consequence of the responsibility condition is that the speaker, because he is answerable for what he has said, may be deemed to act as if he were sincere – whether he actually is sincere or not. FOR OUR PURPOSES, IT IS WHAT THE SPEAKER CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT COUNTS, NOT WHAT HE PRIVATELY THINKS.”
https://cpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/blog.umd.edu/dist/6/47/files/2012/08/Jorgensen-Intent1.pdf
But regardless, you have fulfilled the requirement of Godwin.
Liberato
May 22nd, 2022 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Your argument would only make sense if the UK hadn't peacefully disbanded its Empire voluntarily (The only Empire in history to do so), with1/4 of the land mass of the Earth returned or given to either the indigenous people or indeed in the case of Australia or Canada the predominantly British inhabitants.
The territories remaining are remaining because the inhabitants wish that to be the case, Canada would still be a “colony” had Canadians wished it...they didn't.
Until you can explain why a Canadian is a Canadian, an Australia is an Australian. or indeed an Argentine is Argentine....but a Falkland Islander is an implanted British person, your argument will fail.
The only difference from a British point of view is that the Islanders have not requested independence, nor have the 60 or so folks on Pitcairn, or the population of Bermuda. When then do, they can have it.
I know it eats you up that there is no scenario where Argentina gets to steal the islanders, because the islanders will not request independence whilst Argentina threatens and bullies them.
Diego Garcia is an interesting and unique case, although I am very pleased you recognise the Chaggosians rights. The vast majority accepted full and final compensation to leave Diego Garcia, the few that didn't had no means to support themselves on islands with no fresh water. Their wish to return is more likely a wish for more compensation.
Monkeymagic, “Your argument would only make sense if the UK hadn't peacefully disbanded its Empire voluntarily”. Not quite so.
May 23rd, 2022 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse -2“Until you can explain why a Canadian is a Canadian, an Australia is an Australian. or indeed an Argentine is Argentine....but a Falkland Islander is an implanted British person, your argument will fail.”. I think you are confused on the terminology of colony, and on the definition of “Falkland Islander”. But let me reply first:
-A Canadian is a Canadian.
-An Australian is an Australian.
-An Argentine is an Argentine. We are good so far?.
-A british living in Malvinas is british,
“Canada would still be a “colony” had Canadians wished it...they didn't.”. If Canadians wished to remain being a colony, we would be talking of british and not Canadians. All through there is one form of colonialism that applies when a people is under subjugation from a foreign power, but it do not apply in the Canada's case.
About your definition of “Falkland Islander” as a nationality. There is no such thing for the simple fact there is no nation called Falklands Islands nor there is any nation in Malvinas with that name. For the United Nations, In Malvinas there is a Non self-Governing territory. A territory with a colonial situation, under a decolonization process of the UN, which sovereignty, is under dispute between the UK and Argentina.
About Diego Garcia, do you really believe that crap you wrote?. First, the split of Mauritious
and the comprensation was made through an extorsion to the colony. The british would grant Mauritious independence if they keep DG under british sovereignty. The compensation also. They had to leave and accept compensation becouse they were starving, not alowed to fish. If they had to travel, they were not alowed to return, etc. And your excuse that “they had not the means to support themselves on islands with no fresh water”?. Diego Garcia is not the only island in the Chagos Archipelago you know?.
And yet, Liberato, they are all still members of the Commonwealth of Nations, in the same way that the Falklands and others are. There is no “empire”. Empire was disbanded voluntarily, but the Commonwealth remains.
May 23rd, 2022 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse +4“I think you are confused on the terminology of colony,” no you’re deliberately being obtuse.
May 23rd, 2022 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Decolonization (American English) or Decolonisation (British English) is the undoing of colonialism ... The fundamental right to self-determination is identified by the United Nations as core to decolonization, allowing not only independence, but also other ways of decolonization. The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization has stated that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to the colonizer but to allow a process of self-determination.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization
“UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
@Terrence, Libbys arguments have been debunked time after time but he just repeats the same old thing,
May 23rd, 2022 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go Liberato not to difficult.
May 24th, 2022 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you have confirmed that in your view...all Canadians were British until the moment that they declared independence, all Australians British until they chose independence, All Argentine#s Spanish etc....and these people were allowed to choose.
So by that same extension, the Falkland Islanders can choose independence, and you would have to recognise it. Otherwise you'd be a hypocrite.
Happy to have helped.
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