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Not the Summit we would have wanted, Argentine President tells LA conference

Friday, June 10th 2022 - 09:55 UTC
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Argentine President Alberto Fernandez Thursday delivered a controversial speech before the IX Summit of the Americas in Los Angeles, California, which was anything but pleasing and obliging to the hosting country. Read full article

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  • Trimonde

    In my view, he was too contained and measured. This was an opportunity to vehemently denounce the absurd conspiracy by the US and European countries to install forcefully in Venezuela a government of their liking and convenience, attempting to magically pull out of their bag of tricks a President that was never sought as such by the people of Venezuela; worse still trying to tempt Colombia and Brazil into militarily attacking Venezuela in order to invent a Middle East type paroxysm in our continent! Oh no, we have not forgotten about that, and how undoubtedly UK was gleefully chiming with this plan outline, in hopes it would eventually involve its own oil companies, and ransacking of more Venezuelan gold. I'm stunned he avoided making reference to these things. But perhaps it would have been too much to bear for US pedantic arrogance and pride, and or then again, had he gone on to mention all the abuses racist usurpations and assaulting self serving interventions and condescending political manipulations in all the different forms the US and UK have wielded against our nations in Latin America over the last two centuries, THE WHOLE LENGHT OF THE SUMMIT WOULD HAVE NEVER ENOUGH.

    Jun 10th, 2022 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • FortHay

    Fair enough, Trimonde, but he also has to tread carefully lest the very power brokers he rails against stop lending Argentina more money and force it into default. As long as nations and their leaders are unable to put their economic affairs in order and wean themselves off the world banking teats, true independent action is not possible.

    Jun 10th, 2022 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Trimonde

    Yes FortHay, I think the underlining condition you are referring to is silently beheld by everyone on all sides without mentioning it. A very odd and disconcerting situation for someone from Latin America. But if you are going to take a stance like Morales and Gaddafi or Cristina Kirchner did at the UN some years ago, or Chavez at the 2005 OAS in Mar del Plata did, you might want to be the best you can at saying as much as you can in the least accusatory way possible. He was smart about not sounding too accusatory, but on the other hand by selling out too much it becomes a bit like not maintaining a sailing ship erect. If you let your sails out too much without keel resistance your boat will list and potentially flip on its side. There was also the possibility of offering a saving-face area of dialogue, that could have been an appeasing ingredient, though much more effective when its done by the US than daringly by a Latin American country, where it might even come off as surprising to those who are used to always holding the upper hand. It's a hard balancing act, where in my view strength is retained by shoring up to values the US itself promotes and cannot deny. Indeed Latin-American countries overdo that a great deal by mentioning “democratic principles” so much that the US does not even hear that point anymore. Different angles need to be exercised, yet I believe there was very little room for more hard-balling, as the US very cleverly set up the summit in a way that weakened Latin American unity, by instead of arranging a circle like it is usually done and equalizing the US's place to the rest, it created a sort of “interview desk” where Latin American countries had to wait in line to come up to the podium and be heard, like little citizens are granted a special moment to be heard by the King and Queen. They shamelessly changed everything around, and thus making it obvious the arrangement and format of the event was riddled with purposeful precise intentions.

    Jun 10th, 2022 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • imoyaro

    Personally I would have preferred a conference without Fernandez.

    Jun 10th, 2022 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Pugol-H

    Invite the Falkland Island Government next time, which will guarantee an Argy no show.

    Works like Kryptonite against Argys.

    Shows up their democracy hypocrisy and colonial ambitions.

    Jun 11th, 2022 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trimonde

    Well Pugol-H; at least this time it didn't seem to be in the interest of the United States or anyone, as they were left conspicuously outside the map of the 2022 Los Angeles Logo, while Hawaii which is not a geographical part of the Americas was notably included. You can interpret that any number of ways, but it's worth while noting also that the Alaskan panhandle and the Florida peninsula were both included in the drawing, while the Baja California peninsula and Tierra del Fuego island both being also very characteristically noticeable shapes of the greater continent, were not.
    Intentional? Subliminal? Subconscious? Unintentional? or Insensitive? You decide.

    Jun 11th, 2022 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Pugol-H

    An interesting observation.

    Of course it may just be a lazy artist, who preferred to ‘round things off’ rather than attempt fiddly bits like the Baja California peninsula, given the image is made up of geometric shapes.

    I mean, the representation of the Caribbean hardly does it justice and the Hawaiian Islands, if indeed that is what they are, are in completely the wrong place, you could be forgiven for mistaking them for the Galapagos.

    Does this mean, that when the summit is next held in Argentina the logo will exclude the Hawaiian/ Galapagos Islands, but include the whole of ‘bi continental Argentina’???

    The first Summit of the Americas/Antarctica!!!

    I shall await developments with interest.

    Jun 12th, 2022 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Freddy Worldwide

    ”Not the Summit we would have wanted'
    Says a Peronist. Really?
    lol

    Jun 13th, 2022 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trimonde

    Freddy Worldwide Nincompoop, for fucks sake! What the hell does his political party have to do with his representation at an Organization of American States! And what logic does that statement have anyways!? :- “Oh look at me! I'm a complete retard who can only utter I hate Peronists!” - I bet you don't even know that their political thinking is or what their political mission is all about.
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    Pugol-H, I should know, it's Hawaii, with it's characteristic curved spread of islands, making evident the largest one “the Big Islands” where I lived many years, where it's supposed to be, except the whole archipelago at a slightly larger in scale than what it really is. They simply positioned them right next to the continent and a little higher up, instead of out in the middle of the Pacific. Galapagos is far out in front of Ecuador and looks very different.
    It's fair to say that the 2018 Lima Summit logo looks very similar and also butchered the same outstanding features plus the Florida panhandle and the Alaskan Peninsula which the 2022 logo also made a point of including. So at least they were more consistent. Too much actually as in the Caribbean all they did was make a big glob in the middle of it. So my observation of the 2022 logo having oddly included Hawaii for some reason and making sure Florida and the Alaskan peninsula showed, while at the same time cancelling much larger features like the Baja Peninsula and Tierra del Fuego Island, would reveal to any artist that its creator was American and completely biased.
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    Was there some subliminally indented message? No. Most likely not, or if there was it came from a little hateful artist's head of his own doing. However, being an artist myself and always thinking of social and psychology issues, it's been my observation that art somehow mysteriously or metaphysically by the hand of god or something or other, when interpreted correctly tells us about situations underneath and unseen dynamics often to do with the world

    Jun 13th, 2022 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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