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Montevideo, February 1st 2023 - 05:06 UTC
Additional locations around the Falklands are to be named after the 258 servicemen and civilians who gave their lives for the liberation of the Falklands in 1982 as part of the 40th Anniversary commemorations. Read full article
Lest we forget
Yeah! LOL ”Lest we Forget ... AND NEVER BE ABLE TO ROB AGAIN! lol
... This is really sad. I'm starting to feel sorry for the Islanders. So desperate. It's the only thing they got to feel personally worthy and meriting of being there.
And to think it was the most dishonorably abusive and unnecessary war in British history.
Trimonde, and who actually started it.
Have a good look at the historical events of 2nd April 1982 and you will clearly see who started that war. Who caused all those unnecessary deaths on both sides.
Yes it was Argentina who invaded us who started that war. I know I was there at the time.
I am not a believer in name changing fir changing sake and I understand that these names are going to be given to sights that do not as yet have any names.
What I would be happy with though is the removal of all spanish names hat allow your lot to keep stirring the pot.
Then remove that Argentine Cemetary and repatriate all those who lay there back to the country they came from. That would close a huge chapter in our lives.
Trimonstruosidades is simply distraught over the fact the the elimination of the Argentine Fascists from the Falklands helped lead to the overthrow of the Argentine Military Government, which of course led to a cessation flights dumping drugged, nude nuns into the La Plata estuary. He's been broken hearted ever since...
@Trimonde: it was the most dishonorably abusive and unnecessary war in British history
I am not an expert when it comes to British war history (and I do not think you are either), but this one was for sure not in any way dishonorably abusive and unnecessary. It was purely defensive. Just to accept the invasion and give up had been dishonorably. But it is even better to have a strong defence in the islands (the BFSAI) to deter any new aggression from Argentina. That means no war and no casualties. And the islanders can have the government they wish without interference from B.A.
Trimonde calls the British robbers, didnt the United Provinces rob the whole of central and southern Argentina from its rightful owners ,his posts get crazier by the day,
I am in agreement with Falklands-Free and the repatriation of Argentine dead back to their own country. The grace and understanding of the islanders in building the military cemetery at Darwin has been, and will continue to be abused by representatives of Argentina. Weaponizing the dead for political ends is not something I condone. Veteran
If Argentina refuses to accept their own dead back, which they will, they can be buried at sea, in what they call the Argentine sea.
If you are correct, which of course you are not, that the 1982 war is the only thing that the islanders have to feel personally worthy and meriting being there since their ancestors arrived in the 1830's, it is one more thing than Argentina.
Since independence what has Argentina achieved? It has enormous natural resources, a temperate climate, every opportunity to excel...but has failed. It is a corrupt cesspit of Peronism and socialism wrapped in a bit self-loathing. An economic failed state and an international laughing stock, who is so weak, the only folk they can try and fail to bully are 3000 islanders who are prosperous, happy and successful.
You are the embodiment of Argentina Trimonde, stupid, resentful, pathetic...
Do you also notice that Trimonde will challange the first few who comment, but once he us up against a bigger group he disappears.
He is one that will only take you on one at a time. Scared of gangs.
It seems my Lest we forget has been misconstrued. I hope not intentionally. Where I come from Lest we forget is a remark made in memory of those who have fallen in battle. It has more recently become inclusive of those who continue to suffer from battle injuries, both physical and mental. The idea of naming landmarks after the fallen sounded a great idea to me. It would be nice for following generations to have something to remind them of this terrible time and remind them that war is not a good idea but there are those willing to sacrifice all in the name of freedom. Maybe if 'Trimonde' is so upset about the place names only going to the English fallen we could consider naming a prominent landmark after the highest ranking Argentinian officer who died on Falkland soil. May I suggest two possible sites. 51º 41' 32.88 S by 57º 51' 34.90 W or 51º 41'32.88S by 57º 51' 22.24” W , Either would be suitable and many would consider appropriate.
It's not that Mark; it really does sadden me that such as small community, living in total and absolute safety since the Argentinians kicked out of power their military occupation 40 years ago, which did not happen because of Mt Pleasant which happens to be a huge waste of money, god knows for what twistedly proud ambitious strategic or psychological reasoning is maintained there, but because the Argentineans actually never did have any militaristic antagonism towards the islanders and still don't, this is all Britain's invention. And yet they are so involved in constant militant minded belligerency and war glorification, needing to constantly rehash the war and proliferate the rehashing of the war wherever and whenever they can, that frankly, considering the kind of sweet starting culture they were grooming up until 82 and what that could have expanded into, it's tragic. It's tragic when you think about what this mentality is causing outside the islands as well all over the world.
Now watch; proof that they need this will now come immediately as the first comments in response to this will shout out in reproach, things to the effect of IF WE DIDN'T, YOU'D JUST INVADE AGAIN!! and other such comments, which if you actually are knowledgeable about the real situation here for the last 40 years, specifically in Argentine society which has always been the same about this dispute, including what sadly Argentina agreed to through the Madrid Accords, is really ridiculous and quite disconcertingly worrisome in so far as the kind of neighborly mentality their children are being raised in about their own home islands and the character and self perception that is defining in them, as well as their perception of their historically closest neighbor and journey-partner is history. They are deciding what their existential view of themselves and Argentina will be through the way they are explaining the political situation narrative. They are free to create, but they choose this.
Argentina still claims the islands. The claim is included in their constitution. The children are educated (or indoctrinated) in Malvinism. There are laws making it compulsory to have Malvinas son Argentinas signs on every public transport vehicle, all school uniforms (I do not know if it is nationwide or just in some provinces) must have a logo with the islands embodied on them. There are lots of venues and even municipalities with names such as Malvinas Argentinas. Government officials are talking about the islands all the time. And so on, and so forth. The Argentine people has been soaked in this state ideology (almost a religion) for generations. No wonder the people on the islands do not trust them. Today Argentina cannot invade again because the Islands' defence is much stronger than in '82 and the Argentine forces are much weaker. That is a guaranty for peace and stability. The British forces in the South Atlantic is of course no threat to Argentina, as long as that country does not try to do anything stupid one more time.
I notice Trimonde does not communicate direct with comments made by us islanders.
Your assumptions Trimonde are way of the reality.
We islanders have that wonderful mount pleasant base for a couple of reasons.
First it is proving to be a very effective deterrent to any future thought of Argentina attempting another military take over. It gives our protecting forces the ability to rapidly reinforce if needed.
Most importantly it gives us the islanders our independence to travel by air to other places at will. You may come back and say an expensive trip eight thousand miles to link to the rest of the world but that expense is worth every penny knowing that Argentina has no control over it whatsoever. Also the fact we can actually afford it.
You seem to sugest that Argentina was never a military threat to the islanders . I have to remind you that in 82 they certainly were a threat to us. Locked locals up. Deported some. Wrecked our properties and much more.
One officer was heard to say the best outcome would be to kill the islanders, that way Britain would not try to take the islands back.
That is the mentality we lived with.
You on the other hand likely was not even born then do dont know.
You speak as if we are stopping peace between Argentina and Britain.
You certainly are a deluded one for sure.
Far from your assumptions that we are mere puppets, we openly want Btitain to stay and we made that abundantly clear in 2013 when 98.8% of us stated we wished to remain a part of the Inited Kingfom as a British overseas territory.
Mo your real problem is the annoyance that we islanders in spite of the continued threats from Argentina have made this place a very wealthy economy.
You are in truth utterly jealous of what we continue to have. That we rebuilt our country after Argentina trashed it.
It is a proud feeling to know how well we are doing compared to our neighbour.
In the UK we see no difference in Argentine attitude towards the islanders now or 40 years ago. You still want their land, their homes, their lives under your government against their will.
The first action of a trustworthy Argentine government would be to teach the truth about the islands history, that the Spanish left the islands via Uruguay and nobody from that population was ever Argentine. That Vernet sought permission from both Britain and Argentina for his business, and the SS Sarandi arrived in October 1832, murdered Mestevier and raped his wife before being evicted 2 months later.
Thats the first step, undo the Malvinas myth, teach the truth to your population.
After maybe 20 years, without the waving of Malvinas banners, without the silly visits to the Latam packed C24, without the hysterical rallies, when every Argentine knows there is no historic right, and never was, perhaps a process could begin.
A process where Britain can start to remove the defences of the islands and a modicum of trust can be rebuilt.
Then, Argentina could look to make economic reparations to the islanders, obviously in US dollars as sobody wants your worthless currency, shall we say $60m per year for the past 40 years..so $2.4bn inflation linked.
Britain and Argentina could then work on your dream of decolonising the islands, by allowing the Falklands to become the worlds smallest (by population) independent state.
or we could stay as we are.....you pick.
You say above...:
I am in agreement with Falklands-Free and the repatriation of Argentine dead back to their own country.
Weaponizing the dead for political ends is not something I condone.
- Weaponizing The Dead is exactly what you are doing Mr. Veteran..., by condoning the removal of them Argie boys from their graves and..., eventually..., dumping their remains at open sea...
- Wonder if you also would condone the (asolutely unthinkable from our side..., b.t.w. ...) repatriation (dumping...) of the many hundreds of British soldiers that died trying to invade Buenos Aires in the 19'een century...?
- Or if that haughty bigoted Turkey President Erdoğan chose to Weaponize the about 100.000 dead British & dominion troops resting all around Gallipoli...?
@ Tænk. The problem is not that there are Argentine soldiers buried in the F.I. There are e.g. about 2.8 million German soldiers buried in 48 different states. The problem comes when they are abused for political purposes. If German veterans had come to a war cemetery in Poland where German soldiers are buried waving Third Reich flags with text on them saying Silesia is German what do you think had happened with them? When you visit war graves outside your own country you must show respect for your own dead, but also for the local people. Former occupants cannot behave like they own the place.
Yet another Ignorant Brainwashed Anglo Turnip using and abusing the Nazi Card...
Fact is that..., for many years now..., under the draconic Engrish Local Authorities
rules in them occupied windblown Malvinas Isles..., wearing a polo as the one linked below can get one arrested..., declared undesirable and deported...
Fact is that the ones “Weaponizing The Dead” are those cuddling the idea of feeding the squid with some calcium-rich human remains...
You can see very clearly why we want nothing to do with Argentina. The vast majority still live in the ice age period. Uneducated, full of we must take this or that, no clue whatsoever about human dignity, no understanding of living in peace with your neighbours, warmongering like cave men used to do and love following the blind.
Untill Argentina addresses those backward things and much more, they will never fit in with the modern man.
Is that what they really want, to continue with self destruct.
Get over it, we the islanders are going to continue to take the right path by developing our country's wealth further while slowly increasing our population.
We have learned to live with the knowledge that Argentina will likely never grow up as a smart thinking nation. That they will always use media propaganda against us and will always blocade us as they do now. However we are a resilient people that adapt to these threats and nuisances and continue to prosper and grow.
We will succeed in whatever we do , no matter what Argentina thinks otherwise.
We will remain British.
Argentina can continue to sob at the C24 even the UN but it will not make a single differance to our future.
In time Argentina will be nothing but a distant memory. My prediction is that unless they start to rebuild their economy soon Argentina will be in a very difficult economic state worse than it is now and could be themselves rife for take over by their neighbours. Now that truly would be KARMA at it's best.
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