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C24 resolution calls on Argentina and UK to resume Falklands' negotiations
The Special Committee on Decolonization adopted on Thursday a resolution requesting the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to consolidate the current process of dialogue through the resumption of negotiations to find a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute relating to the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe C24 are clueless, just what is there to talk about, Argentina wants the Falklands, the islanders say you cant have them, end of negotiations,
Jun 24th, 2022 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse +5Clearly the (...“clueless”? LOL LOL LOL) United Nations, realizes this is a conflict matter that supersedes, at least in its initial stages, the resident's aspect of sovereign self determination, and is fundamentally about a disputed territory between two actual sovereign nations WHOSE PEOPLE'S COUNTRIES began this dispute distinctively many years before the invitation of the islanders to settle on these islands by one of those two nations. ... Which is pretty much what I and a considerably large number of people have been saying for years.
Jun 24th, 2022 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Britain and the Islanders simply need to stop offending international diplomacy, insulting an already toiled and insolently disrespected matter of sincerity by the world's western powers, and quit this shenanigan ploy of USING propped up and constructed semblances of legitimacy, only meant essentially to roll English expansionism over the equal rights and worth of other countries through a distortedly created artifice of “overseas administration”. One which attempts to hide behind the fake narrative of some somehow universal absolute “right power” held by a smaller subgroup of citizens, seeking to fool international public opinion with these simplistic seductively noble sounding, yet intentionally miss-reasoned inapplicable human sovereignty principals, and every other written means possible they can use to this effect in the world.
Trimonde, grow up you know that the Argentines want only one outcome, complete sovereignty and that is not in the trys spirit negotiating. Wr islanders supported by Britain have made our decisions and it does not include Argentina full stop.
Jun 24th, 2022 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Now get on your bike and ride off into the distance. Your comments have no substance.
Trimonde, when will you finally understand, you will never get the Falklands, the islanders have the right to self determination and that trumps everything , the only people trying to fool the international community are your own politicians with their huge distortion of history,
Jun 24th, 2022 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +4UN C24 Decolonisation Committee Resolutions Are Not UN Policy:
Jun 24th, 2022 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Resolutions from committees may be rejected or amended by the Assembly. Consequently, unless and until they are endorsed by the Assembly, no resolutions from the Special Committee can be regarded as UN policy. The Assembly has not considered the ‘’Falkland Islands (Malvinas) Question’’ nor adopted any resolution on the question since 1988. (Meetings of the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation, www South Atlantic Council www Staff City ac UK, Willetts P. 2012).
Who gives a funkies muck about what the C24 (and Argenwhinger and Titmonde) thinks or wants. The only thing that is relevant is what the Falkland Islanders want. The UK has stated on numerous occasions that should the Falkland Islanders ever desire to become part of Argentina then they would give them their full support in achieving that.
Jun 24th, 2022 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Meanwhile Argenwhinger is not prepared to support their erstwhile colonial subjects in retaining their democratically voted for connections with the UK.
“Special Committee on Decolonization adopted on Thursday a resolution requesting the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom to … “
Jun 24th, 2022 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Fortunately, it’s the ferment advisement of mere political machinations.
The UN Charter cannot be applied retroactively to an event that occurred in 1833, thus:
“...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jenning
The UK are in complete compliance with the UN Charter, and international law.
”There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
“It reiterated that the way to put an end to the special and particular colonial situation”
Their Referendum has already dealt with that issue in the only accepted way, under international law.
”is that the right of self-determination, which the ICJ found to be jus cogens in the East Timor case, is a right of all peoples, not only of those in a colonial context. ... “
Western Sahara; “The validity of the principle of self-determination, defined as the need to pay regard to the freely expressed will of peoples, ...the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”
The Case Concerning East Timor and Self-determination
”By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of people ...”
The United Nations, Self-Determination and The Namibia Opinions
So indeed are equally as important the rights of the Argentinian people, who gave form to their Republic in a processes that preceded by at least a decade the arrival of British subjects to those islands, to their territory and integrity of their sovereign nation. Which included the Malvinas Islands at the time of their proclamation of independence in 1810. In no measure are these people's rights any less or inferior than those brought later on the their islands.
Jun 24th, 2022 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -9“Their Republic in a processes that preceded by at least a decade the arrival of British subjects to those islands,”
Jun 24th, 2022 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“Thus, in the Island of Palmas case, decided in 1928, an international tribunal of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest as a mode of acquiring territory when it declared in its decision”
10 Island of Palmas case (Netherlands v. USA) (1928), RIAA 2 (1949),ß
additional comments are by Dr. Korman
The Acquisition of Territory by Force in International Law and Practice
by SHARON KORMAN
“..It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'..”
Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
More distortion of facts Trimonde, the islands were already claimed by Britain, no one was forced to leave other than an illegal military garrison of 24 soldiers who raped and murdered, they were warned twice not to go and warned again to leave when they arrived, the 1810 claim of yours is nonsense, you were not even a country,
Jun 24th, 2022 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +5The were “claimed” by Britain, because THEY ALREADY KNEW SPAIN CONSIDERED THE ISLANDS THEIR TERRITORY. LOL
Jun 24th, 2022 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -7And quit lying. All Britain did was establish a for a few years a little settlement on the Western end of the archipelago. They were never sovereign nor did they claim the whole archipelago when the Argentinians simply continued on in the Spanish settlement. The Eastern Islands was settled by the French and Spanish. The British never had anything to do with it, until they saw the opportunity of running off the defenseless Argentinians so they could hog up like the pigs that you are the whole archipelago.
Ya' thieving lying cheats.
Trimonde, for the 5oth time, Britain claimed the islands long before Spain did, yes Spain evicted us but then returned them to us because war was going to be declared,
Jun 24th, 2022 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +5yet again you have resorted disgusting language, then you wonder why you got banned from facebook. no point in discussing anything with you , youre just a foul mouthed nasty little boy who throws his toys out the pram.
“THEY ALREADY KNEW SPAIN CONSIDERED THE ISLANDS THEIR TERRITORY.”
Jun 25th, 2022 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse +5No they didn’t believe that, and nor do you.
The agreement as actually signed in London on 22 January 1771 merely stated:... ”that the engagement of his said Catholick Majesty [the king of Spain], to restore to his Britannick Majesty the possession of the port and fort called Egmont, cannot nor ought in any wise to affect the question of the prior right of sovereignty of the Malouine islands, otherwise called Falkland's Islands.
In other words, the question of the prior right of sovereignty was left as it had been before the dispute both countries' rights were left untouched, Britain's as well as Spain's.
'The British Foreign Secretary at the time, Lord Palmerston, ... ... On 27 July 1849, in reply to a question in the House of Commons, he said:
“... a claim had been made many years ago, on the part of Buenos Ayres, to the Falkland Islands, and had been resisted by the British Government. Great Britain had always disputed and denied the claim of Spain to the Falkland Islands, and she was not therefore willing to yield to Buenos Ayres what had been refused to Spain.” “The withdrawal of His Majesty's forces from these islands, in the year 1774, cannot be considered as invalidating His Majesty's just rights. That measure took place in pursuance of a system of retrenchment, adopted at that time by His Britannic Majesty's Government. But the marks and signals of possession and property were left upon the islands. When the Governor took his departure, the British flag remained flying, and all those formalities were observed which indicated the rights of ownership, as well as an intention to resume the occupation of that territory, at a more convenient season.”
Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
In other words Spain ate a great big piece of humble pie to save her from getting her ass kicked.
It's funny you should say that, because while Britain chose to never confront militarily or even threaten Spain over the islands, it was on the other hand Spain who did lead a squadron from Buenos Aires to expel the British who promptly then left, only returning once Spain had extended to them a hand of diplomatic grace. WOW that's some British sovereignty alright!!
Jun 25th, 2022 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse -8Tell me, do you actually think that any empire or nation in those days honored another's indefinitely into the future sovereignty rights on some empty piece of land all the way on the other side of the world from their country, by virtue of merely leaving a flag on the beach and a bronze plaque telling whoever to stay off just because they say so?? Only in the minds of presumptuous arrogant monarchs could exist the illusion of such absurd expectations upon upon any other people's nations.
Please by all means do show me where such a code of conduct by empires, or international law as such existed in writing EVER. What would stop such presumptuousness from rushing all over the world claiming land by simply building a quick monument. The fact is that Britain abandoned Port Egmont, not for five years, not for 10 years and not for thirty years. Not only did it did not feel it worth engaging or fighting the Spanish over it, but it NEVER CAME BACK to establish it's will for the islands. Not even ten years after the Spanish themselves left in 1811 when Buenos Aires was already assuming the islands as their inherited territory, did they return to tend to their “eternal claim” (documented in letters by the way). It was not until they were cowardly assured that Argentina had been left alone actively settling the islands with people law and administration, and only upon receiving news by the Americans that they had destroyed their settlement, did they literally come back to snag them from the Argentinians who instead HAD EARNED their new sovereignty incorporated and settled possession.
Hmm what about the Declaration of 1771, when Spain ate a great big piece of humble pie to save her from getting her ass kicked. That resulted in the subsequent removal of a lawless raping murdering mob from the Islands, don't you grasp.
Jun 25th, 2022 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse +3An act which even today the UN has subsequently approved.
“..It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'..”
Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
Truth, facts, honesty and decency is something that Trimonde lacks, what he does have is indoctrination, spite , bitterness and hatred, just like an Austrian born despot who ruled Germany in the 30s and 40s,
Jun 25th, 2022 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse +2Trimonde is one of those brainwashed by his system who is being encouraged to push the untruths and he is so overpowered by this that it has started eating his mind.
Jun 25th, 2022 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +2He is programmed to see one side, the side his superiors have engrained in him.
When he is unable to carry on their work of propaganda, he, just like so many others will be discarded, if in fact that has not already happened. By his use of inappropriate language throughout the many threads he has infested with his rubbish , he clearly has been taken over by a force beyond even his own understanding.
He is one of those people that will jump when asked by his indoctrinators , and will do so never really knowing why he does it.
Past help on every level.
Would be interesting to know his age. Something tells me he is one of those born after 1982 by the way he gets so worked up.
Older people tend to be a little more mellowed unless they are indeed a dictator.
Because of his approach towards others he has made himself truly less believable. He does not know how to have sensible dialogue and attitudes like that drive people further away from him.
He is a fantasist looking to claim his name to glory. A dangerous individual for sure.
Trimonde
Jun 25th, 2022 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Argentina has no right to the Falklands and the UN C24 has no say in territorial disputes.
The International Court of Justice could make a resolution on a territorial dispute but you are too scared to go there. Why is that?
If you feel the current position is unjust take your case to the ICJ.
Or is it not packed with corrupt Latam cronies and Russia like the C24?
Falklands-free
Trimonde is not dangerous, he is a moron, dangerous apparently only to his mother.
What would we talk about?
Jun 26th, 2022 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Everything has been said, already.
Roger Lorton, you are so correct. There is nothing to talk about. The islanders and Britain have agreed what they both want just that Argentina wont accept it.
Jun 27th, 2022 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2They are simply just wasting everyone's time insisting on negotiating when there is nothing to negotiate.
It is the likes of Trimonde and his pals along with their corrupt leaders who keep this dead in the water claim thing going.
It is the only thing they have to cling too. Their fantasies.
Mind you life on social media would get boring wouldn't it if they completely stopped whinging. We would have no entertainment to tease them.
The problem is Argentina is still very much living in the past. They still think they are the masters at land grabbing. They have a lot of catching up to do. If they could have learned anything in 1982, it would have been from watching a tiny country like the Falklands pick itself up from an invasion that wrecked their town and start from scratch to build a multi million pound industry.
All of this while Argentina has tried everything to stop them. At the same time allowing their own country and people to fall further behind.
Just proves that their modern leaders and continued brain washing is not working in the best interests of their country.
It's actually quite sad watching their country fall apart.
Argentina and the U.K. already agree on one important thing: Sovereignty is not negotiable. Are there more things to discuss?
Jun 27th, 2022 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina lost in 1833 it lost in 1982 and the rest is whining
Jun 30th, 2022 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1you have malvinas wine
you have quite a niice malvinas cheese board and knife set
you just need sone malvinas cheese then you can throw yourself a cheese and whine party invite C24
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