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Argentina insists Malvinas negotiations with UK are essential if bilateral relations are to advance

Friday, July 1st 2022 - 10:35 UTC
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On a few occasions and at such level, has Argentina had the opportunity to say that if the relation between Argentina and UK is to increase, first we must address the Falklands/Malvinas question, otherwise “that relation will not advance”. Read full article

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  • Steve Potts

    Is there a legitimate sovereignty claim? If so based upon what?

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Judge Jose

    Relations will not advance then, simple as that, sovereignty is non negotiable,

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse +11
  • MarkWhelan

    So Argentina wants to go back to the negotiating table do they. Even though they have no valid ground for any claim to The Falkland Islands. Fair enough the local audience in Buenos Aires has to appeased I suppose. Just remember that England historically has also insisted that any negotiations involving The Falklands must have representation from the islands. As long as this condition is still being applied we can guarantee that Argentina will not come to the table. The last thing they want is a full and frank discussion on this issue.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • downunder

    “….insisted that Buenos Aires is prepared to resume the bilateral dialogue with UK on the Malvinas Islands sovereignty.”

    Well that’s very Argentine of them!

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • rule_britannia

    Next time they can look for their own submarine.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Steve Potts

    Argentina’s constitution destroys her claim to the Falklands.

    Falklands - The Futility of Negotiating Sovereignty With Argentina (1 pg) : https://www.academia.edu/57344689/Falklands_The_Futility_of_Negotiating_Sovereignty_With_Argentina

    An inconvenient truth

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Pugol-H

    I don’t see ‘bilateral relations not advancing’ as a problem to the UK or the Islanders, quite the opposite in fact.

    Any involvement with Argentina only encourages them, it is far, far better to have as little to do with Argentina as possible.

    To paraphrase Roosevelt Jr, don’t talk at all and carry a big stick.

    No Argy flights, no problem.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Tænk

    TWIMC...

    I don’t see ‘bilateral relations not advancing’ as a problem for Argentina, quite the opposite in fact.

    Any commercial involvement with the UK only encourages our local oligarchs , it is far, far better to have as little to do with them Britons as possible.

    To (wrongly) paraphrase Roosevelt Jr, don’t talk at all and carry a big stick.

    We Argies can now concentrate in pressuring Spain and the EU to stop buying pirated fish from a contested & conflictive area.

    No pirated fish, no problem.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -11
  • Don Alberto

    Oh, the poor dears.
    Argentina's foreign minister can go along with Russia's so they can sob at each other's shoulders, bawling like sissies

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • bushpilot

    And certainly no problem for people living in far away Denmark.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • brasherboot

    No one likes the Argies except corrupt, tyrannies.

    Their demands are irrelevant.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Jedi389

    You can insist on anything.

    I insist that he Argentine nation stops being a bully... What happens?

    Nothing...

    So staus quo remains.

    Spain wil continue to buy fish/squid from the Falklands as they own a 49% share in the vessels.

    Nothing will change no matter how much the Argentine politicians complain and insist that the Falkland Islanders should be thier subjects, like bald men fighting over a comb!.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +9
  • Tænk

    Geeeeee....

    The Sockpuppet- Botsquadron came out in full synchro svimming style...:

    Don Bot-berto (+2)
    Bot-pilot (+2)
    Bot-sherbot (+2)
    And
    Bot389 (+2)

    How elegant....!
    Chuckle..., chuckle..., rechuckle...

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • bushpilot

    Bot-Argy, really from Denmark.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Pugol-H

    ToTheSquatteritMayConcern
    Oops, ‘touched a nerve there, I think’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKCNYpMM6w

    As for ‘pressuring Spain and the EU’, well firstly good luck with any dealings with the EU, secondly Spanish fishing interests, which are considerable and influential, will prevail in any such issue.

    No Argentina, no problem.

    Jul 01st, 2022 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Swede

    “Bilateral relations” between Argentina and the U.K must not advance at the expense of the relations F.I.-U.K. Sovereignty is not negotiable. Argentina has to accept status quo. As long as they insist on the territorial claim the door must be shut.

    Jul 02nd, 2022 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeeeeeeee....

    I Tænk there is a certain Engrish rat..., recently abandoned hy his ship..., wet-dreaming 'bout an Argie Bargie “Special Recovery Operation” in Malvinas to save his sorry arse...

    Capisce...?

    Jul 06th, 2022 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Pugol-H

    Nah, ‘Special Military Operation’.

    Jul 06th, 2022 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Speaking 'bout rats...
    Please..., pleeeeease..., me dear Anglican God...
    Let the new leader of them Anglos be called Jacob Rees-Mogg...

    Capisce...?

    Jul 07th, 2022 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Pugol-H

    Nah, JRM, as opposed to the ARM, will be the King, or Queen Maker.

    Definitely won’t go for PM.

    Jul 07th, 2022 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argentine citizen

    We don't want to negotiate, just like them.

    Simply, we intend to make their descendants grow under the shadow of a nation
    that keeps a claim open.
    We want to keep that Pandora's Door open... So that one day in the Future, at the slightest window of opportunity Do the same thing they did in 1833...
    We will simply wait for a good opportunity as there was during the first and second world wars when the Nazis bombed London and had their forces busy defending themselves.

    History shows that there is no civilization that has lasted indefinitely, it happened with all the empires, Romans, Byzantines, Greeks, Vikings etc... and it will continue to happen.

    We will simply be waiting for their moment of weakness to take back what is ours and do what they did in 1833.

    After all, as long as there is an open sovereignty dispute, Argentine soldiers can go to the islands and kill British citizens, and British soldiers can kill Argentine civilians. All is fair in war

    Jul 10th, 2022 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    “ So that one day in the Future, at the slightest window of opportunity Do the same thing they did in 1833...”

    A little tough as you would have to have the same accepted conditions of international law, as then. Which means you would have no legal right to do the same now.

    “..It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'..” Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk

    Moreover, Argentina is barred from using “territorial integrity” as an argument. As it is a post UN law and cannot be applied retroactively.

    ”...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
    The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jenningsa Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994

    Jul 10th, 2022 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Judge Jose

    Argentine citizen, the islands have never been yours legally, and if you had bothered to do some genuine research you would know that, in time the Falklands will become independent , the population and economy will grow massively, your claim is utter nonsense, that is why you have never gone to the ICJ in all these years,

    Jul 10th, 2022 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argentine citizen

    Judge Jose

    your country had an exit agreement with spain, in fact they left the islands at 1774, and with exit agreement or not it was nullis land, Uk didnt make any sovereign action while that time, and the islands were desert for more than 50 years

    There are well-documented events in which your country's diplomats and the foreign office publicly acknowledged what they had done.

    Memorandum issued by the Foreign Office's Investigation Department on September 17th, 1946 concludes:

    “the British occupation of 1833 was, at the time, an act of unjustifiable aggression which has now acquired the backing of the rights of prescription”.164

    On October 14, 1936, your own Foreign Office's John Troutbeck wrote on some of the memorandums:

    “The difficulty of the position is that our seizure of the Falkland Islands in 1833 was so arbitrary a procedure as judged by the ideology of the present day. It is therefore not easy to explain our possession without showing ourselves up as international bandits”

    About what you say about the ICJ, First of all, the ICJ was created in 1945 after the second world war.

    Throughout the 20th century, Argentina did not appear at the ICJ because the United Kingdom was negotiating primarily for shared sovereignty. and then later directly seeking to transfer full sovereignty.

    Within these negotiations there are the Memorandums signed by their own ambassador and by the parties of the foreign office in which they literally recognized that what they had done was a humanitarian atrocity.

    It is a very stupid question, to ask why Argentina did not go to the ICJ during the 20th century, since your own country recognized that what it had done was an atrocity, and in fact they were trying to transfer sovereignty directly.
    The Falklands War was the outcome of the stalemate and delay in the negotiations.
    Currently the ICJ is no longer an option for our constitution, and because your country does not recognize the jurisdiction of the court.

    Jul 10th, 2022 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1

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