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Malvinas Question incursion to Brazil: Carmona returns with the book, “Brazil and the Malvinas war: between two fires”
The Malvinas Question, Antarctica and Oceans Cooperation, and the revitalization of the Peace and Cooperation Zone in the South Atlantic, ZPCAS, forum were the main points of the agenda addressed by Argentina's special secretary on Malvinas, Antarctica and South Atlantic affairs, Guillermo Carmona during his four-day visit to Brazil. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules''The ceremony also included the unveiling of a plaque dedicated to historic documents confirming Brazil's support for Argentina in 1833, when Britain 'usurped' the Malvinas Islands.''
Aug 22nd, 2022 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1Nothing wrong with the 1833 usurpation - plenty of it going on in the 19th century (even Argentina did a bit of usurping) but 1982 - that was an illegal unwarranted act of aggression. Shame on you Argentina!
The war was a big mistake for Argentina, something that should not have happened. But the UK has its decades-long responsibility to avoid dialogue and seek a peaceful settlement.
Aug 22nd, 2022 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -2With 6 territories in the S. Atlantic, stretching from the equator to the S. Pole, with TWO large military bases and Britain is an ‘extra regional power’???
Aug 22nd, 2022 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Somehow ‘head in the sand’ doesn’t quite cover it.
Still better him than somebody halfway competent in charge, eh!
‘a plaque dedicated to historic documents’, marvellous, a real war winner that one.
Malvinense 1833
Your problems is that as far as the British are concerned, the Islands are and always have been British and have never legitimately been Argentinian.
Where the Islanders have an unalienable right to self-determination in today.
Not having a legitimate claim, the war was the last chance for Argentina to seize the Islands, it failed, the matter is now settled.
That Argentina refuses to accept this, is Argentina’s problem and no one else’s.
Malvinense 1833
Aug 22nd, 2022 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't want dialogue, or peaceful settlement, it wants sovereignty of the Falklands made up of a series of lies, one of which is included in your name.
In 1833, what do you think happened? I doubt its the truth.
Do you think that Captain Onslow of the HMS Clio arrived on January 6th, and evicted the crew of the SS Sarandi who had arrived 10 weeks earlier, tried to claim the islands for Argentina, mutineed, murdered Mestevier their leader and raped his wife.
Or do you think, a successful, long standing fantasy Argentine community was evicted....?
I am happy to negotiate with Argentina to return the borders to pre-1833.
It would see the Falklands empty...and Patagonia under the control of the American Indians...Argentina would be reduced by 1/3rd but at least no ursupation would have happened?
No?
Malvinense 1833 - we talked. From 1966 to 1982, we talked. Then Argentina stopped talking and opted for trial by combat.Now there is nothing left to be said. The question is already settled.
Aug 22nd, 2022 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
Another avenue which I don't think has ever been explored on decolonization is that the Spanish had a number of slaves who were indigenous South Americans taken to The Falkland Islands, One of these was Antonina Roxa, Falkland Islands first citizen. There were a number of other Indigenous South American women who chose to stay , had large families and most Falkland Islanders can claim in their DNA to be descendants of Indigenous South Americans. As such , Argentina,( the descendants of Spanish and Italian colonists ) could be seen as attempting to further colonize a country that survived the enslavement of indigenous people in Argentina . The Falkland Islanders were once slaves of Argentinian european colonists but will never be slaves again
Aug 23rd, 2022 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't be so sure, your statement that the islands are and have always been British is very categorical.
Aug 23rd, 2022 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0In another entry I wrote that the people evicted by the British had achieved self-determination. 1982 was a battle, the Argentine people showed that even in inferior conditions they have the determination to recover what belongs to them.
@monogamy as a citizen I accept a shared sovereignty something that many of you do not accept. So who is the inflexible?
Explain to me what was the successful British community that granted rights to Captain Onslow to evict the Argentine population?
It is not requested to return the borders to 1833, if you go back to 1833 you will clearly see an Argentine population. Only the solution of a problem is requested so as not to leave it to the next generations.
What a load of nonsense Malvi, Britain claimed the islands long before you existed, the claim was never given up, Vernet who was not even Argentinian asked Britain for permission to go to the islands because he knew who owned them, the United Provinces were told twice not to send troops to the islands and they also warned to leave after they arrived, there was no Argentine town but a settlement made up of many nationalities, your soldiers raped and murdered and were finally evicted, the civilians were allowed to stay, most chose to do so, no civilians were ejected despite the lies said by your dim wit politicians, if they had any shred of evidence they would have gone to the ICJ years ago, but they would rather moan and cry at every opportunity, Argentina will never get the islands unless the islanders choose that path, stop wasting your life on a myth and fantasy fuelled by your nut job politicians who use it to distract from the real problems Argentina has,
Aug 23rd, 2022 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Roger Lorton I think there was never a concrete and sincere search for a solution. The United Kingdom simply sought, as it currently does, to delay any possible agreement.
Aug 23rd, 2022 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.argentina.gob.ar/sites/default/files/2021/12/malvinas_falklands_kohen_rodriguez.pdf
@Judge Jose The UK does not accept the jurisdiction of the court for the Malvinas case.
On the other hand, the United Kingdom does not comply with the international requirement to withdraw from Chagos. Do you need more words?
«was no Argentine town but a settlement made up of many nationalities»
Something very similar to what is happening with the population of the islands today, right?
Malvi. oh yes it does accept the ICJ, another false hood, the settlement of 1833 was not Argentinian, Vernet was a buisness man not even Argentinian and when he left it was an Englishman who was 2nd in command, the Chagos is a totaly different situation and not remotely relevant and if you did some genuine research you would know that, continue wasting your life on a myth and a fantasy, the matter is settled as far as the islanders are concerned and no amount of bullying by BA will change that,
Aug 23rd, 2022 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinense
Aug 23rd, 2022 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain Onslow did NOT evict an Argentine population. He evicted the crew of the SS Sarandi who had arrived just 10 weeks earlier attempting to claim the islands for Argentina. If there was a successful Argentine community on the islands there would have been no need for the Sarandi. The crew of the Sarandi had already mutineed and murdered the Argentine “governor” Mestevier and raped his wife.
If you are talking about the civilians on the islands before the Sarandi arrived, they we a mix of many nationalities, the remnant of the Vernet business (Vernet, a German left in 1831) and they were led by Matthew Brisbane a British mercenary.
This was neither an Argentine community nor was it evicted by Onslow.
Argentina is inflexible as its only offered solution gives it more tomorrow than today, and the islanders less. Britain has nothing today or tomorrow.
How about a solution where Argentina lets the islanders keep the islands but offers shared sovereignty of Patagonia with Chile? No....? DOnt be so inflexible.
Monkeymagic
Aug 24th, 2022 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0«Captain Onslow did NOT evict an Argentine population»
http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-iv/
You seem to forget that there was a Spanish community before and that the Argentine population was destroyed by Captain Silas Duncan, a situation that was very well taken advantage of by the British.
As for Chile in the Spanish administrative division was a Captaincy General, today it is more extensive.
Chile and Argentina share one of the longest and most difficult borders in the world, today there are no conflicts, they are two democratic countries that solved their problems peacefully.
There is no point of comparison with Malvinas.
Regards.
Malvi, you have just blown your week claim out of the water, in 1810 you were not a country but a Spanish COLONY, trying to claim another countries history is bonkers.
Aug 24th, 2022 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinense 1833
Aug 24th, 2022 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link you posted, this paper is no more than a bedtime story to comfort Malvinazis that they still have a claim.
After Pascoe and Pepper, rather un-sportingly, used facts to discredit the existing Argentinian version of Falkland’s history.
The attempt to‘re-interpret’ the Treaty of Madrid of 1670 is laughable, literally. Where the rest of it is no better.
The page you linked starts with:
‘the most egregious historical falsification, the authors invent an alleged British authorisation for Luis Vernet to settle in the Falklands/Malvinas.’
Yet here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet
It says,
‘Vernet established a settlement on East Falkland in 1828, after first seeking approval from both the British and Argentine authorities.’
Given the evidence, there can be no doubt Vernet sought permission from the British to establish the settlement.
If you read a British version of history you certainly wouldn’t like it, or believe it, however you would probably realise why the British don’t see that there is anything to negotiate.
As far as the British are concerned, the Islands are and always have been British and have never legitimately been Argentinian.
And the Islanders have an unalienable right to self-determination in today.
The End.
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