India on Friday reiterated support for international negotiations on the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom in the Southern Atlantic, according to the Indian media. Read full article
No negations with Pakistan or representatives of the Kashmiri people and no plans for a plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their own future, and end Indian/Pakistani military occupation.
And India is a member of the C24 De-colonisation committee???
Bras, you are talking nonsense, all they do is call for talks. nothing more, so what will talks achieve, a big fat nothing, remember what the Brazilian government said, Britain is an important partner,
How can you go into MEANINGFUL negotiation when one party declares that anything less than complete ownership of the island group and surrounding territorial waters is and will always be unacceptable. This stand is regardless to the wishes of the inhabitants.
Bras. there is no stalemate, the islands rite to self determination is entrenched in the UN charter, this over rides everything else, every time Argentine politicians have an overseas visit they whinge and cry about talks, other countries are sick to death of it and pay nothing more than lip service, again i ask WHAT is there to talk about, Argentina wants something it can not have and have never had legally,
Bra, I will explain it simply, the Falklands islands government are happy to talk to Argentina, however,
Argentina refuse to talk to them saying they do no exist as a people, Britain is also happy to talk to Argentina and do so about many things and had a good relationship with the previous Argentine government, when it comes to sovereignty that is non negotiable, would Brasil give their land up to a foreign country, of course not,
Argentina has NEVER legally owned the islands it is nothing but lies they spew out,
is that clear enough for you,
Bra, they do not want it now, just like the Turks and Caicos and the Virgin Islands and Bermuda. all are happy as a British overseas self governing Territory, but all of them will get independence as soon as they ask for it,
The Narnian mentality - Argentinian Sovereignty over the Malivinas is not negotiable. That is the starting point of negotiation. (Dante Caputo, Argentine Foreign Minister, 13 November, 1983. Quoted in House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, 1983-4, Report, Vol. 2, p 149)
Talks?
About what?
We talked.
From 1966 to 1982, we talked.
Then Argentina stopped talking and chose trial by combat.
There is nothing left to be said.
India hopes to sell a few fighter planes.
Good luck with getting paid.
The Assembly voted in 2008 whether a sovereignty dispute denies the right of non-self governing territories to the right to self determination.
The vote was 61 to 40 in favour of no qualification to the right
In favour: Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Belize, Botswana, Bulgaria, Burundi, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Guyana, Haiti, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Saint Lucia, Samoa, San Marino, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovenia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Against: Argentina, Belarus, Bolivia, Brazil, Central African Republic, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Mauritius, Mexico, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Russian Federation, Senegal, Spain, Suriname, Syria, Tunisia, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam.
Oh look, India hasn't changed its position, nor Russia, or China or Brazil.....
but you still lose as unless you are an Argentine accountant 61 is bigger than 40.
Monkeymagic, I didn't understand what the merit of the resolution is. Could you tell me what it number is? Or rather, could you post the link to the resolution that was approved here on the site?
The resolution tabled by Argentina through the C24 sought to add the words where no sovereignty dispute exists to the General assemblies position that all Non-self governing territories have the right to self determination.
Britains ammendment removed the added words, so the UN position remains that the NSGTs have the right to determine their own future,
Quite clearly, the vote went along Partisan lines the 20 Latam countries voted with Argentina, and then a number of other countries who wish to steal lands (Russia:Ukraine, China:Taiwan, India:Kashmir, Vietnam:Paracel islands, Spain:Gibraltar and a few rogue states Iran, North Korea etc Its hard to see a sensible country voting with Argentina.
The UK had support of North America, Nearly all of Europe, Far more African countries than Argentina, More Asian countries and most of Australasia.....completely the opposite of your original post.
So, no negotiation is necessary, the UN GA position is clear, it is up to the Islanders to choose what they want, and outside of Latam and a few rogue states everyone agrees.
Please feel free to withdraw your ascertain that the world supports the Argentine position and the 5-eyes are isolated. Otherwise you will find yourself in the same category as trimonde.
For there to be a negotiation, the islanders need to be offered something that they want. Argentina has nothing to offer.
It is not a negotiation if the premise is today I have nothing, I want everything, but my compromise is to accept something
Try that negotiation in any walk of life and the answer is no.
Argentina needs to offer something, I would suggest they offer a return to the 1832 borders, making Patagonia a free state for Amerindians, where Latinos are banned.
Or perhaps Argentina offer the islanders $20m USD per head to vacate the islands.
To finish what i started saying before my pc went astray voting the same with countries such as Russia, China, Iran, North Korea. Syria, Cuba, Myanmar is hardly a good endorsement,
just may be now Bras has seen the light,
When will Argentina start talking to the C24 about French Guyana? I mean, it is a huge country in comparison to the Falkland Islands and is wholly administered by France. It is a departement, complete with it's own representation in the French parliament. That India says, when visiting Argentina, that talks should recommence is hardly saying that the Falklands belong to Argentina, it is the sort of thing a trade delegation would say when some greasy Argentine politician slithers up and says, what do you think of this? It means nothing.
The UN General Assembly voted by 2/3rds majority that self-determination applied to all remaining non self-governing territories, not just those where no sovereignty dispute exists.
So, the islanders get to choose, and they have chosen.
Britain and Argentina do not get to negotiate. The islanders get to chose.
When you look at the vote its even more telling....Latin America, failed corrupt states, and countries known to want territory that is not theirs today.....versus the developed world and most of Africa , including the BRICs nation of South Africa.
So, we await for Brasileiro to withdraw the following claims as false:
All of BRICS support Argentina: False
the Five eyes are isolated: False
Most countries in Eurasia: False
Most countries in Africa: False
Most countries in Oceania: False
TWIMC...
Geeeeeeeee..., how nice...!!!
- Them Brainwashed Engrish Turnips (and a lonesome Brummie Copper in Lao...) showing some interest for the UNITED NATIONS position on the...: ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS)” !!!
- Hereby..., the latest (GA/COL/3361 - 23 JUNE 2022) OFFICIAL DOCUMENT of the UNITED NATIONS 'bout this...: ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS)...: https://press.un.org/en/2022/gacol3361.doc.htm
(- By other terms, it reiterated that the way to put an end to the SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS) IS..., etc...,etc..., etc...)
- Wonder if them Brainwashed Anglo Turnips (and the Brummie Copper in Lao...) can explain to themselves why them bloody UNITED NATIONS foreigners call it the...:
”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS)”...???
Once again Taenk you have resorted to childish name calling and all you do is make yourself look immature,
The C24 sub committee is an irrelevant toothless pointless outdated body but you already know that as you have been told numerous times by many posters, GROW UP,
oh dear dipshiite Thunk cannot tell the difference between the UN general assembly and the Latam infested Special Committee
The Special Committee advises the General Assembly and the General Assembly passes declarations.
Antigua and Barbuda
Bolivia
Chile
China
Congo
Ivory Coast
Cuba
Dominica
Ecuador
Ethiopia
Fiji
Grenada
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Mali
Nicaragua
Papua New Guinea
Russia
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Sierra Leone
Syria
East Timor
Tunisia
Tanzania
Venezuela
As you can see, the vast majority of the C24 who say there is a Special and Particular Colonial Situation voted for Argentinas amendment in the General Assembly in 2008. Yet the General Assembly told them that there is not a Special and Particular Colonial situation.
We the brainwashed anglos are fully aware there are 39 brainwashed corrupt cesspits that vote with the ignorant Argies, fortunately there are 60 functioning prosperous democracies with us.
The times are changing...or should we use your other mantra thats another nail in the Anglo pirate adventure in the South Atlantic...a mantra you've been using for at least a decade if not more Thick.
Yet nothing changes....the corrupt and broken C24 trot out bullshine, the UN General Assembly dismiss it...the Falklands prosper and Argentina defaults on more debts.
poor Thick.....like Gollum, dreaming of his preciousssssss!
- From me humble point of view..., things are changing quite fast at the UN...
- Just 5 months ago 'bout 75% of the UNITED NATIONS members (quite properly..., imho) voted a resolution against them Ruskis...
Last week..., the Anglosphere couldn't even summon 30% of the UNITED NATIONS members to vote again against them Ruskis...
- From me humble point of view..., things are changing quite fast in the UK...
Now that Ms. Least Trust ignores the redhaired Haggis'es of the North..., rekinds Englands mortal enmity with the bloody Frogs of the East..., creates a state of war with the far east Chinks and threatens the whole World to use her nukes if she wakes up one morning with a bad case of menopause...
- From me humble point of view..., things are changing quite fast in the Royal Navy too...
There was a time where their ships were able to reach international waters...
( Btw..., If the HMS Prince of Wales is build like me much remembered..., beautifully Italian designed..., crappy Engrish assembled Spitfire Mk ll..., it may help replacing that baaaaad Engrish Lucas alternator with a gooood German Bosch one... ;-)
I luuuuv it when you haughty Anglos lull yourself into wishful tænking with your own convoluted semantic trickery..., copper...
(For the near future...I wish the above mention characteristic gets ya' Engrish people the PM ya' soo much deserve...: Ms. Least Trust... ;-)
- And the official POSITION of the C24 on the ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS (MALVINAS)” is well stated..., known and documented...
”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS (MALVINAS)” is well stated...,”
It most certainly is Ollie.
ICJ and Self-Determination
...opinion on Kosovo's declaration ...
”Is that the right of self-determination, which the ICJ found to be jus cogens in the East Timor case, is a right of all peoples, not only of those in a colonial context. ...
None of the more than 40 resolutions passed by the General Assembly and the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations40 has recognized the existence of a separate people on the territory of the Falklands/Malvinas, and these resolutions have therefore taken other paths regarding the manner in which to proceed to the decolonization of the islands. The position of the United Nations as to how to put an end to the colonial situation is negotiation between Argentina and the United Kingdom to solve the dispute over sovereignty, taking into account the interests of the population of the islands.41 Not only, but it is worth remembering that when the United Kingdom attempted to incorporate an express mention of the right to self-determination in what a posteriori became Resolution 40/21 of November 27th, 1985, the General Assembly rejected it outright. The reason is simple: unlike ordinary cases of colonialism, that is, the oppression of an entire people by a European power, the Falklands/Malvinas case concerns the eviction of a newly born independent State from an insular, scarcely populated portion of its territory lacking any original population, by the most powerful colonial nation of the time. http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/
You are wrong. In 2008 the UN General Assembly affirmed without amendment, that self determination was the ONLY method of bringing an end to colonialism. Not any special cases not where no sovereignty dispute exists nothing.
The islanders are either a separate people, or their is no colonial position. Both cannot be true. Neither way does Argentina get their hands on the islands.
Think
With no due respect. You are also wrong.
The UN sub-committees don't handle anything, the UN General Assembly does. The sub-committees put forward advice, which the GA can choose to vote on.
The sub-committee suggested there was a Special and Particular colonial case and the General Assembly disagreed. I am sorry if this is too complicated for you to understand, and you find anyone who pints out facts you dont like or are too dim to comprehend as haughty.
The C24, full of Latam countries, countries who wish to steal other territories, failed states and corrupt militias mostly vote with Argentina, together with others it made 40 votes in 2008.
Britains position got 60 votes in the General Assembly. Why if theonly body in the UN associated with decolonisation is the C24 as per your FACT, why does the GA vote on their proposals....surely the GA have no say?
“None of the more than 40 resolutions passed by the General Assembly and the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations40 has recognized the existence of a separate people on the territory of the Falklands/Malvinas”
Is the fact that GA resolutions are merely recommendations, not laws, and thus not binding on member states.
Why Have Resolutions of the UN General Assembly If They Are Not Legally Binding?”
CELINE VAN DEN RUL, JUN 16 2016, http://www.e-ir.info/2016/06/16/why-have-resolutions-of-the-un-general-assembly-if-they-are-not-legally-binding/
So C24 as a sub, sub committee has no authority in law. So they have no power to dictate anything to anyone, they are the classical King with no clothes.
In any event, Decolonization (American English) or Decolonisation (British English) is the undoing of colonialism ... The fundamental right to self-determination is identified by the United Nations as core to decolonization, allowing not only independence, but also other ways of decolonization. The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization has stated that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to the colonizer but to allow a process of self-determination.” http://www.e-ir.inf
They thought if they could fill the C24 with their corrupt friends, get the worlds land-grabbers on board....the C24 would convince the UN General Assembly to adopt its nonsense.
However, there has been virtually no movement on Non-self governing territories in 30 years, because the C24 is not following its mandate, and instead is trying to justify future colonisation rather than correcting the past.
The General Assembly has shown it doesn't listen to the C24 advice, and nothing changes.
The solution is easy, replace the C24 with 24 different countries, USA, Canada, South Africa, Kenya, Singapore, Japan, Iceland, Norway, Jamaica, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Pakistan, Malta, Sweden, Kuwait, South Korea, Italy, Turkey, Malaysia, Israel, Brunei, Rwanda, Trinidad and Tobago.
All countries who know a fair bit about either colonialism or democracy and you would see that Colonialism would all but be eradicated, as none of the UK overseas territories are subjugated peoples.
However, if the corrupt juntas and failed states like their annual outings so be it, it changes nothing!
I love the wonderful irony, that through her lying Argentina evoked the attributes of the UN. Only to find out they defeat all her nonsense, and absolutely support the British claim.
Its better than that, they go to the wrong UN sub-committee (decolonisation has nothing to do with sovereignty disputes), they fill and bribe the committee with their mates and like minded corrupt countries, they release recommendation after recommendation, which are ignored by the general assembly as irrelevant or unacceptable....and even if, by some miracle, the General Assembly did agree with them, the UK would ignore it as the resolution would be non-binding.
Argentina of course would not go to the correct international body for sovereignty disputes the ICJ as they have no case, and their population would realise they'd been lied to.
Even in this thread Brasiliero and Malinvinese have claimed the UN General Assembly supports Argentina, when quite clearly it does nothing of the sort.
Thick Think, knows, of course that the UN doesn't support Argentina, he just posts shiite wrongly thinking he is clever.
Nah, its worse than that, Erstatning Stink knows he’s posting Sh*te.
He does it to get a reaction, so he can blither on about ‘haughty Anglos’ and ‘Them Brainwashed Engrish Turnips’.
It makes his day.
After all, in all this time of his blithering, if anything, Argentina is fact further away from any involvement, never mind any control of the S. Atlantic.
One of the good uses of PenguinPress is to keep one informed 'bout the activities of the Engrish Armed Farces...
I Tænk their last report was on the successful filming by the Engrish Navy of the mating ceremony of the Antarctic Sea Cucumber...,or something of the sort...
Imagine me horror finding out that PenguinPress is NOT REPORTING NOTHING 'bout the Prince of Wales being shafted without grease...!
- Now that we have been informed by the serious Engrish Press (still NOTHING in the PenguinPress... :-) that the Prince of Wales has been shafted without grease.........
............The question nagging all of Us is...: Do the Marchioness of Cholmondeley and the Duke of Cambridge use grease...?
I find Gauchito Drink's fixation on passive anal sexual activity enlightening, given his self professed 3 failed marriages, where he got shafted by each of his ex-wives in the end.
(Blush) Don't exaggerate..., Brasileiro...
Real Magic were Garrincha..., or Maradona...
Too easy for me to play Jogo Bonito against them Turnips... ;-)
Thanks for confirming your stance, you've proven what you are.
The vote 14 years ago was very clear (I have seen no country change their position), you call it an abomination. I call it the clear position of the international community.
You can continue to post drivel, where countries who supported Argentina in 2008 reaffirm their position, there were 20 Latam and a few corrupt and broken nations, and countries which want to land grab.....and there still is.
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rulesSupport for the resumption of negotiations is not the same as support for the Argentine cause, would be the first observation.
Aug 27th, 2022 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As the British support the resumption of international negotiations to resolve the Kashmir dispute.
Second, it seems India is ignoring several UNGA resolutions on the subject.
https://www.pakungeneva.pk/ContentPage.aspx?ID=20
No negations with Pakistan or representatives of the Kashmiri people and no plans for a plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their own future, and end Indian/Pakistani military occupation.
And India is a member of the C24 De-colonisation committee???
Huh!
All BRICS countries are in favor of Argentina. As well as most countries in Eurasia, Africa, Oceania, Central America and South America.
Aug 27th, 2022 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More and more the Five Eyes are isolated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUd-_WkFd7I&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
Bras, you are talking nonsense, all they do is call for talks. nothing more, so what will talks achieve, a big fat nothing, remember what the Brazilian government said, Britain is an important partner,
Aug 27th, 2022 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1How can you go into MEANINGFUL negotiation when one party declares that anything less than complete ownership of the island group and surrounding territorial waters is and will always be unacceptable. This stand is regardless to the wishes of the inhabitants.
Aug 27th, 2022 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Negotiation is always possible. It's impossible to stay as it is.
Aug 27th, 2022 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The longer the stalemate lasts, the worse it will be for the West, South America included.
Falklands - The Futility of Negotiating Sovereignty With Argentina (1 pg) : https://www.academia.edu/57344689/Falklands_The_Futility_of_Negotiating_Sovereignty_With_Argentina
Aug 27th, 2022 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For some an inconvenient truth.
Bras. there is no stalemate, the islands rite to self determination is entrenched in the UN charter, this over rides everything else, every time Argentine politicians have an overseas visit they whinge and cry about talks, other countries are sick to death of it and pay nothing more than lip service, again i ask WHAT is there to talk about, Argentina wants something it can not have and have never had legally,
Aug 27th, 2022 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what's the fear of opening a permanent conversation table?
Aug 27th, 2022 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bra, I will explain it simply, the Falklands islands government are happy to talk to Argentina, however,
Aug 27th, 2022 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina refuse to talk to them saying they do no exist as a people, Britain is also happy to talk to Argentina and do so about many things and had a good relationship with the previous Argentine government, when it comes to sovereignty that is non negotiable, would Brasil give their land up to a foreign country, of course not,
Argentina has NEVER legally owned the islands it is nothing but lies they spew out,
is that clear enough for you,
Yes it is! The path is to declare independence and negotiate as a sovereign country?
Aug 27th, 2022 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upDcjv9wa60&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=1
Bras, yes independence will come in the future, they can have it next week if they so wish,
Aug 27th, 2022 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not now?
Aug 27th, 2022 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bra, they do not want it now, just like the Turks and Caicos and the Virgin Islands and Bermuda. all are happy as a British overseas self governing Territory, but all of them will get independence as soon as they ask for it,
Aug 27th, 2022 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geeeeeeee...
Aug 27th, 2022 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Ungrateful Hindi Coolies...!
-Have they forgotten all the goodies they got under the Brutish Raj...?
They got Curry..., they got Equal Rights..., they got Famines..., they got Amritsar's..., they got Bangla Desh..., they got Pakistan...
Ungrateful brownish Hindi Coolies..., indeed...
Capisce...?
The Narnian mentality - Argentinian Sovereignty over the Malivinas is not negotiable. That is the starting point of negotiation. (Dante Caputo, Argentine Foreign Minister, 13 November, 1983. Quoted in House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, 1983-4, Report, Vol. 2, p 149)
Aug 27th, 2022 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS Nothing for court = illegitimate claim
Talks?
Aug 27th, 2022 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About what?
We talked.
From 1966 to 1982, we talked.
Then Argentina stopped talking and chose trial by combat.
There is nothing left to be said.
India hopes to sell a few fighter planes.
Good luck with getting paid.
Copper...
Aug 28th, 2022 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse -1As every Nation in this World has found out the hard way...:
- Engrish Man Talk with Forked Tongue....
Argentina got the above stated fact last confirmed from 1966 to 1982...
Capisce...?
Bras
Aug 28th, 2022 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Assembly voted in 2008 whether a sovereignty dispute denies the right of non-self governing territories to the right to self determination.
The vote was 61 to 40 in favour of no qualification to the right
In favour: Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Belize, Botswana, Bulgaria, Burundi, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Guyana, Haiti, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Saint Lucia, Samoa, San Marino, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovenia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Against: Argentina, Belarus, Bolivia, Brazil, Central African Republic, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Mauritius, Mexico, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Russian Federation, Senegal, Spain, Suriname, Syria, Tunisia, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam.
Oh look, India hasn't changed its position, nor Russia, or China or Brazil.....
but you still lose as unless you are an Argentine accountant 61 is bigger than 40.
It is no the UK that is isolated.
Brasileiro
Aug 28th, 2022 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For there to be a negotiation, more than one outcome must be possible.
Except Argentina’s constitution states that only one outcome is possible.
Where Argentina does not recognise the FIG or its right to exist, when it is the FIG who ultimately they will have to deal with.
So, Argentina has no one to negotiate with and nothing to negotiate if they did.
Clearly it is Argentina who has the problem(s) here, and is going nowhere.
The rest of the world moves on, apace in the case of the S. Atlantic.
Argentina wanted to talk, Thunk.
Aug 28th, 2022 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We talked.
What's your complaint?
That the talks didn't go your way?
Aint life a bitch ;-)
Life can be a mangy bitch all right..., copper...
Aug 28th, 2022 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1But ya' and I have been quite lucky..., haven't we...?
Monkeymagic, I didn't understand what the merit of the resolution is. Could you tell me what it number is? Or rather, could you post the link to the resolution that was approved here on the site?
Aug 28th, 2022 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasileiro
Aug 28th, 2022 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The resolution tabled by Argentina through the C24 sought to add the words where no sovereignty dispute exists to the General assemblies position that all Non-self governing territories have the right to self determination.
Britains ammendment removed the added words, so the UN position remains that the NSGTs have the right to determine their own future,
https://press.un.org/en/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
Quite clearly, the vote went along Partisan lines the 20 Latam countries voted with Argentina, and then a number of other countries who wish to steal lands (Russia:Ukraine, China:Taiwan, India:Kashmir, Vietnam:Paracel islands, Spain:Gibraltar and a few rogue states Iran, North Korea etc Its hard to see a sensible country voting with Argentina.
The UK had support of North America, Nearly all of Europe, Far more African countries than Argentina, More Asian countries and most of Australasia.....completely the opposite of your original post.
So, no negotiation is necessary, the UN GA position is clear, it is up to the Islanders to choose what they want, and outside of Latam and a few rogue states everyone agrees.
Please feel free to withdraw your ascertain that the world supports the Argentine position and the 5-eyes are isolated. Otherwise you will find yourself in the same category as trimonde.
Voting with
Aug 28th, 2022 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For there to be a negotiation, the islanders need to be offered something that they want. Argentina has nothing to offer.
Aug 28th, 2022 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not a negotiation if the premise is today I have nothing, I want everything, but my compromise is to accept something
Try that negotiation in any walk of life and the answer is no.
Argentina needs to offer something, I would suggest they offer a return to the 1832 borders, making Patagonia a free state for Amerindians, where Latinos are banned.
Or perhaps Argentina offer the islanders $20m USD per head to vacate the islands.
Its a negotiation after all!!
To finish what i started saying before my pc went astray voting the same with countries such as Russia, China, Iran, North Korea. Syria, Cuba, Myanmar is hardly a good endorsement,
Aug 28th, 2022 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just may be now Bras has seen the light,
October 2008?
Aug 28th, 2022 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/2000-to-2015.pdf
When will Argentina start talking to the C24 about French Guyana? I mean, it is a huge country in comparison to the Falkland Islands and is wholly administered by France. It is a departement, complete with it's own representation in the French parliament. That India says, when visiting Argentina, that talks should recommence is hardly saying that the Falklands belong to Argentina, it is the sort of thing a trade delegation would say when some greasy Argentine politician slithers up and says, what do you think of this? It means nothing.
Aug 29th, 2022 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Roger Lawton
Aug 29th, 2022 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Correct, October 2008.
The UN General Assembly voted by 2/3rds majority that self-determination applied to all remaining non self-governing territories, not just those where no sovereignty dispute exists.
So, the islanders get to choose, and they have chosen.
Britain and Argentina do not get to negotiate. The islanders get to chose.
When you look at the vote its even more telling....Latin America, failed corrupt states, and countries known to want territory that is not theirs today.....versus the developed world and most of Africa , including the BRICs nation of South Africa.
So, we await for Brasileiro to withdraw the following claims as false:
All of BRICS support Argentina: False
the Five eyes are isolated: False
Most countries in Eurasia: False
Most countries in Africa: False
Most countries in Oceania: False
Other than that, a good accurate post!!! :-)
TWIMC...
Aug 29th, 2022 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Geeeeeeeee..., how nice...!!!
- Them Brainwashed Engrish Turnips (and a lonesome Brummie Copper in Lao...) showing some interest for the UNITED NATIONS position on the...: ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS)” !!!
- Hereby..., the latest (GA/COL/3361 - 23 JUNE 2022) OFFICIAL DOCUMENT of the UNITED NATIONS 'bout this...: ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS)...:
https://press.un.org/en/2022/gacol3361.doc.htm
(- By other terms, it reiterated that the way to put an end to the SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS) IS..., etc...,etc..., etc...)
- Wonder if them Brainwashed Anglo Turnips (and the Brummie Copper in Lao...) can explain to themselves why them bloody UNITED NATIONS foreigners call it the...:
”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ( MALVINAS)”...???
Aint life a bitch...?
Chuckle..., chuckle... ;-)
Once again Taenk you have resorted to childish name calling and all you do is make yourself look immature,
Aug 29th, 2022 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 sub committee is an irrelevant toothless pointless outdated body but you already know that as you have been told numerous times by many posters, GROW UP,
oh dear dipshiite Thunk cannot tell the difference between the UN general assembly and the Latam infested Special Committee
Aug 29th, 2022 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Special Committee advises the General Assembly and the General Assembly passes declarations.
Antigua and Barbuda
Bolivia
Chile
China
Congo
Ivory Coast
Cuba
Dominica
Ecuador
Ethiopia
Fiji
Grenada
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Mali
Nicaragua
Papua New Guinea
Russia
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Sierra Leone
Syria
East Timor
Tunisia
Tanzania
Venezuela
As you can see, the vast majority of the C24 who say there is a Special and Particular Colonial Situation voted for Argentinas amendment in the General Assembly in 2008. Yet the General Assembly told them that there is not a Special and Particular Colonial situation.
We the brainwashed anglos are fully aware there are 39 brainwashed corrupt cesspits that vote with the ignorant Argies, fortunately there are 60 functioning prosperous democracies with us.
chuckle chuckle
poor thick Think!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE
Aug 29th, 2022 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Haha
Aug 29th, 2022 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The times are changing...or should we use your other mantra thats another nail in the Anglo pirate adventure in the South Atlantic...a mantra you've been using for at least a decade if not more Thick.
Yet nothing changes....the corrupt and broken C24 trot out bullshine, the UN General Assembly dismiss it...the Falklands prosper and Argentina defaults on more debts.
poor Thick.....like Gollum, dreaming of his preciousssssss!
TWIMC...
Aug 29th, 2022 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -2- From me humble point of view..., things are changing quite fast at the UN...
- Just 5 months ago 'bout 75% of the UNITED NATIONS members (quite properly..., imho) voted a resolution against them Ruskis...
Last week..., the Anglosphere couldn't even summon 30% of the UNITED NATIONS members to vote again against them Ruskis...
- From me humble point of view..., things are changing quite fast in the UK...
Now that Ms. Least Trust ignores the redhaired Haggis'es of the North..., rekinds Englands mortal enmity with the bloody Frogs of the East..., creates a state of war with the far east Chinks and threatens the whole World to use her nukes if she wakes up one morning with a bad case of menopause...
- From me humble point of view..., things are changing quite fast in the Royal Navy too...
There was a time where their ships were able to reach international waters...
( Btw..., If the HMS Prince of Wales is build like me much remembered..., beautifully Italian designed..., crappy Engrish assembled Spitfire Mk ll..., it may help replacing that baaaaad Engrish Lucas alternator with a gooood German Bosch one... ;-)
Capisce...?
What a load of gibbering nonsense, and racist too,
Aug 29th, 2022 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“India sides with Argentina on Malvinas Question, calls for negotiations”
Aug 29th, 2022 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
Nice to see that the UK is still on all the right aspects of international law. Whereas, the Argentine can’t find a single one.
UN does not have a 'position' Trunks.
Aug 29th, 2022 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN hasn't said anything since 1988.
But then the C24 doesn't recommend its own Falklands resolution for adoption by the UN.
Not this year either - https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/report-of-the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-to-colonial-countries-and-peoples-for-2022.pdf
I wonder why?
I luuuuv it when you haughty Anglos lull yourself into wishful tænking with your own convoluted semantic trickery..., copper...
Aug 30th, 2022 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse -2(For the near future...I wish the above mention characteristic gets ya' Engrish people the PM ya' soo much deserve...: Ms. Least Trust... ;-)
- FACT IS that there is one and only one UNITED NATIONS officially designated comittee to handle cases as the ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS (MALVINAS)”..., and that is the UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMITTEE ON DECOLONIZATION (a.k.a. C24)...
https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/sites/www.un.org.dppa.decolonization/files/styles/panopoly_image_original/public/the_special_committee_on_decolonization_c-24_en.png?itok=dwj-TjS_
- And the official POSITION of the C24 on the ”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS (MALVINAS)” is well stated..., known and documented...
Capisce...?
”SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION IN THE QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS (MALVINAS)” is well stated...,”
Aug 30th, 2022 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It most certainly is Ollie.
ICJ and Self-Determination
...opinion on Kosovo's declaration ...
”Is that the right of self-determination, which the ICJ found to be jus cogens in the East Timor case, is a right of all peoples, not only of those in a colonial context. ...
”In the context of decolonisation, the 'political' moment in international law is repeated several times over. ... begins in 1960 with the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, an initiative taken by the Third World at the United Nations General Assembly (GA Res. 1514). https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sundhya_Pahuja/publication/322381803_Decolonization_and_the_eventness_of_international_law/links/5a56be0e45851547b1bf25db/Decolonization-and-the-eventness-of-international-law.pdf
Which, while a worthy goal, is merely an advisement, and not international law.
*Decolonization (American English) or Decolonisation (British English) is the undoing of colonialism ... The fundamental right to self-determination is identified by the United Nations as core to decolonization, allowing not only independence, but also other ways of decolonization. The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization has stated that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to the colonizer but to allow a process of self-determination.”
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sundhya_Pahuja/publication/322381803_Decolonization_and_the_eventness_of_international_law/links/5a56be0e45851547b1bf25db/Decolonization-and-the-eventness-of-international-law.pdf
None of the more than 40 resolutions passed by the General Assembly and the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations40 has recognized the existence of a separate people on the territory of the Falklands/Malvinas, and these resolutions have therefore taken other paths regarding the manner in which to proceed to the decolonization of the islands. The position of the United Nations as to how to put an end to the colonial situation is negotiation between Argentina and the United Kingdom to solve the dispute over sovereignty, taking into account the interests of the population of the islands.41 Not only, but it is worth remembering that when the United Kingdom attempted to incorporate an express mention of the right to self-determination in what a posteriori became Resolution 40/21 of November 27th, 1985, the General Assembly rejected it outright. The reason is simple: unlike ordinary cases of colonialism, that is, the oppression of an entire people by a European power, the Falklands/Malvinas case concerns the eviction of a newly born independent State from an insular, scarcely populated portion of its territory lacking any original population, by the most powerful colonial nation of the time.
Aug 30th, 2022 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/
Malvinense
Aug 30th, 2022 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You are wrong. In 2008 the UN General Assembly affirmed without amendment, that self determination was the ONLY method of bringing an end to colonialism. Not any special cases not where no sovereignty dispute exists nothing.
The islanders are either a separate people, or their is no colonial position. Both cannot be true. Neither way does Argentina get their hands on the islands.
Think
With no due respect. You are also wrong.
The UN sub-committees don't handle anything, the UN General Assembly does. The sub-committees put forward advice, which the GA can choose to vote on.
The sub-committee suggested there was a Special and Particular colonial case and the General Assembly disagreed. I am sorry if this is too complicated for you to understand, and you find anyone who pints out facts you dont like or are too dim to comprehend as haughty.
The C24, full of Latam countries, countries who wish to steal other territories, failed states and corrupt militias mostly vote with Argentina, together with others it made 40 votes in 2008.
Britains position got 60 votes in the General Assembly. Why if theonly body in the UN associated with decolonisation is the C24 as per your FACT, why does the GA vote on their proposals....surely the GA have no say?
Or perhaps you are talking shiite...
Capische?
“None of the more than 40 resolutions passed by the General Assembly and the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations40 has recognized the existence of a separate people on the territory of the Falklands/Malvinas”
Aug 30th, 2022 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the fact that GA resolutions are merely recommendations, not laws, and thus not binding on member states.
Why Have Resolutions of the UN General Assembly If They Are Not Legally Binding?”
CELINE VAN DEN RUL, JUN 16 2016,
http://www.e-ir.info/2016/06/16/why-have-resolutions-of-the-un-general-assembly-if-they-are-not-legally-binding/
So C24 as a sub, sub committee has no authority in law. So they have no power to dictate anything to anyone, they are the classical King with no clothes.
In any event, Decolonization (American English) or Decolonisation (British English) is the undoing of colonialism ... The fundamental right to self-determination is identified by the United Nations as core to decolonization, allowing not only independence, but also other ways of decolonization. The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization has stated that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to the colonizer but to allow a process of self-determination.”
http://www.e-ir.inf
Poor Thick Argentina
Aug 30th, 2022 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They thought if they could fill the C24 with their corrupt friends, get the worlds land-grabbers on board....the C24 would convince the UN General Assembly to adopt its nonsense.
However, there has been virtually no movement on Non-self governing territories in 30 years, because the C24 is not following its mandate, and instead is trying to justify future colonisation rather than correcting the past.
The General Assembly has shown it doesn't listen to the C24 advice, and nothing changes.
The solution is easy, replace the C24 with 24 different countries, USA, Canada, South Africa, Kenya, Singapore, Japan, Iceland, Norway, Jamaica, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Pakistan, Malta, Sweden, Kuwait, South Korea, Italy, Turkey, Malaysia, Israel, Brunei, Rwanda, Trinidad and Tobago.
All countries who know a fair bit about either colonialism or democracy and you would see that Colonialism would all but be eradicated, as none of the UK overseas territories are subjugated peoples.
However, if the corrupt juntas and failed states like their annual outings so be it, it changes nothing!
I love the wonderful irony, that through her lying Argentina evoked the attributes of the UN. Only to find out they defeat all her nonsense, and absolutely support the British claim.
Aug 30th, 2022 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terence
Aug 30th, 2022 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its better than that, they go to the wrong UN sub-committee (decolonisation has nothing to do with sovereignty disputes), they fill and bribe the committee with their mates and like minded corrupt countries, they release recommendation after recommendation, which are ignored by the general assembly as irrelevant or unacceptable....and even if, by some miracle, the General Assembly did agree with them, the UK would ignore it as the resolution would be non-binding.
Argentina of course would not go to the correct international body for sovereignty disputes the ICJ as they have no case, and their population would realise they'd been lied to.
Even in this thread Brasiliero and Malinvinese have claimed the UN General Assembly supports Argentina, when quite clearly it does nothing of the sort.
Thick Think, knows, of course that the UN doesn't support Argentina, he just posts shiite wrongly thinking he is clever.
Nah, its worse than that, Erstatning Stink knows he’s posting Sh*te.
Aug 30th, 2022 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He does it to get a reaction, so he can blither on about ‘haughty Anglos’ and ‘Them Brainwashed Engrish Turnips’.
It makes his day.
After all, in all this time of his blithering, if anything, Argentina is fact further away from any involvement, never mind any control of the S. Atlantic.
And still an economic basket case.
TWIMC...
Aug 31st, 2022 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse -1One of the good uses of PenguinPress is to keep one informed 'bout the activities of the Engrish Armed Farces...
I Tænk their last report was on the successful filming by the Engrish Navy of the mating ceremony of the Antarctic Sea Cucumber...,or something of the sort...
Imagine me horror finding out that PenguinPress is NOT REPORTING NOTHING 'bout the Prince of Wales being shafted without grease...!
Chuckle..., chuckle...
“On the successful filming by the Engrish Navy”
Aug 31st, 2022 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your waffling is as effective as Argentina’s, gains neither of you anything, and never will.
Hmmmmmm...
Aug 31st, 2022 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Now that we have been informed by the serious Engrish Press (still NOTHING in the PenguinPress... :-) that the Prince of Wales has been shafted without grease.........
............The question nagging all of Us is...: Do the Marchioness of Cholmondeley and the Duke of Cambridge use grease...?
Chuckle..., chuckle...
At least it didnt sink to the bottom of the ocean like your submarine,
Aug 31st, 2022 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your waffling is as effective as Argentina’s.
Aug 31st, 2022 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find Gauchito Drink's fixation on passive anal sexual activity enlightening, given his self professed 3 failed marriages, where he got shafted by each of his ex-wives in the end.
Sep 01st, 2022 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, you are magic! Congratulations!
Sep 01st, 2022 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=1
Monkeymagic, I read the UN abomination. It's been a long time (14 years). The Five Eyes will never get that vote again.
(Blush) Don't exaggerate..., Brasileiro...
Sep 01st, 2022 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Real Magic were Garrincha..., or Maradona...
Too easy for me to play Jogo Bonito against them Turnips... ;-)
Thanks for confirming your stance, you've proven what you are.
Sep 02nd, 2022 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The vote 14 years ago was very clear (I have seen no country change their position), you call it an abomination. I call it the clear position of the international community.
You can continue to post drivel, where countries who supported Argentina in 2008 reaffirm their position, there were 20 Latam and a few corrupt and broken nations, and countries which want to land grab.....and there still is.
Poor you....I pity you.
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