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Uruguayan Senate agrees on a consensus statement on the Malvinas war and ongoing conflict
Argentina's secretary for Malvinas, Antarctica and South Atlantic affairs, Guillermo Carmona, this week visited Uruguay where he met with the Senate's International Affairs Committee, as part of the round of contacts with neighboring countries to discuss South Atlantic and Antarctica issues. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCarmona and the Argentine ambassador in Uruguay, Alberto Iribarne were received with a consensus declaration from the Senate ratifying Uruguay's support for Argentina's claims in Malvinas and the South Atlantic, plus an acknowledgement to some 763 Uruguayans who, back in 1982 volunteered to combat on the side of the Falklands' invaders against the British Task Force...
Sep 01st, 2022 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Falklands invaders?
Legal and Illegal Acts of Force:
Falklands - Two Acts of Force (1833 & 1982) One Illegal (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/82967126/Falklands_Two_Acts_of_Force_1833_and_1982_One_Illegal
In my opinion islanders act or at least comment as if they were enemies of South America, so why would they expect prosperity in an enemy land?
Sep 01st, 2022 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5sCfACSsls
Your are talking rubbish Bras again, the only issue the Falklanders have is with Argentina, who continue to bully and harass over and over again, they have no issues with any other South American countries, you do know that over 200 people in the islands are of Chilean descent who detest the Argies because of how they behave, take your head out of the sand and stop believing the crap that comes from Buenos Aires,
Sep 01st, 2022 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +5It is impossible to like the lung and hate the stomach.
Sep 01st, 2022 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IhFx7DdIS0
Another stupid statement Bras,
Sep 01st, 2022 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +5To the wise, half a word is enough.
Sep 01st, 2022 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Take some medicine Bras, you seem rather poorly today,
Sep 01st, 2022 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +5America is one body.
Sep 01st, 2022 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpDf6XX_j0&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=37
Not wasting any more time with your nonsense, all you have done is make yourself look an utter and complete fool. to the wise half a word is enough, you had better buy a dictionary,
Sep 01st, 2022 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Ok, yeah, you got it.
Sep 01st, 2022 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Demorô
Brazzo
Sep 01st, 2022 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“To the wise, half a word is enough”
É verdade, sua cabeça de camarão ......
“P'ra bom entendedor basta meia-palavra sua pr'a saber que você é um idiota”...
Faça nos rir mais um pouco.
Judge Jose
Don't expect much sense from the Brazzo moron.......he is a lefty, who loves Lula, and like his idol, he is uneducated, and ignorant ....
Chamaram o cuzão!
Sep 01st, 2022 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Brasshole
Sep 01st, 2022 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isso, exatamente o que eu esperava de alguém da sua laia....continue mostrando a todos o que tem na cabeça....
If the islanders hide behind such people, it's best to buy boats for land.
Sep 01st, 2022 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -3One ignorant doesn't help another!
LULA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA9Owwl0184&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=8
Uruguay?
Sep 01st, 2022 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The last seat of the Spanish Viceroyalty.
When Spain left in 1811, they only claimed one Island in the Falklands - Soledad.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/88740.pdf
“Ruling coalition Senator Penadés pointed out to the excellent centuries-long relations with Argentina and the United Kingdom, although naturally “we consider the Argentine claim of sovereignty on those territories most fair”
Sep 02nd, 2022 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1The Senator uses very diplomatic words to appease. He says that Argentina has a ‘claim of sovereignty’ which is ‘most fair.’ Textbook diplomatic language on behalf of Uruguay. On the other hand, Argentina talks about ‘recovering lost sovereignty.’ This is untrue and most unfair because Argentina has never held sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
In 1833 Manuel Moreno the Argentine Minister in London acknowledged that ‘to establish a right of dominion on the fortuitous act of discovery, or on a momentary possession, is not sufficient: it must be formal or tranquil settlement, which includes habitation and culture’. This is an honest admission by an Argentine Minister that Argentina did not have sovereignty of the Falklands, yet over time Argentina has conveniently forgotten this.
In the long history of the Falkland Islands, despite several attempts, Argentina has never been able to ‘have and hold’ the Falklands, so it cannot claim ownership of a territory that it never had.
The long list of arguments, that Argentine puts forward to try and make its case for sovereignty, range from the xenophobic (the British have no right to be in our part of the world) to the morally reprehensible argument that the people of the Falkland Islands do not meet the UN definition of ‘people’ when it comes to UN laws concerning the rights to self-determination. All of them are dubious in fact and/or logic.
The situation that the people of the Falkland Islands find themselves in is not unique, there are similar examples all over the world. French islands just off the East coast of Canada, British Islands just off the coast of France, the extensive French overseas territories in the Western Pacific, American possessions in the Pacific are examples where
Interesting to see how long it took to cajole a statement out of its nearest neighbour. And its worth is exactly what ?
Sep 02nd, 2022 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse +5Jack Bauer
Sep 03rd, 2022 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Jack, nice to hear you, I trust all is good for you and yours and say well my friend.
The Malvinas Islands were never Argentine. I wonder when they belonged to the British? When was there a formal and tranquil settlement? habitation and culture?
Sep 05th, 2022 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3The documents shown here mention Falkland Islands, Soledad de Malvinas, Malvinas settlement, it is ridiculous to say that Spain claimed a single island after keeping them occupied since 1774. All these documents prove Spanish administration. The Malvinas Islands were included in the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, under Spanish administration. Therefore, upon achieving self-determination, that former Spanish territory became the property of the new Argentine people.
capisce?
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/88740.pdf
“I wonder when they belonged to the British? When was there a formal and tranquil settlement?”
Sep 05th, 2022 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +3An international law issue that Argentina conceded in 1850, with the signing of the Convention of Settlement.
“Legal Definition of uti possidetis
: a principle in international law that recognizes a peace treaty between parties as vesting each with the territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated”
https://www. merriam-webster.com/legal/uti%20possidetis
Dear Terence, the misrepresentation of the 1850 treaty has been demonstrated. It is a fallacious argument and in bad faith.
Sep 05th, 2022 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Why is it so difficult for you to understand that Britain claimed the islands long before Spain and even longer than before the United Provinces, the claim was NEVER given up. got to the ICJ with your little bit of paper and get laughed out of court,
Sep 05th, 2022 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Malvinense 1833
Sep 05th, 2022 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina signed a peace treaty in 1850 which had no mention of the Malvinas or Argentina’s alleged claim to the Malvinas.
Not really possible to misrepresent that, is it???
Also, legally the Falklands became British in 1690, but there is no mention of this pivotal event on your favourite web site:
http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-i/
Too difficult to easily explain away, no doubt.
What this means is that the British claim is older than Argentina, or the French/Spanish claims.
Which means Argentina’s historical argument depends upon two thing being true.
Firstly Argentina inherited the claim from Spain, if not the British claim is older than the Argentinian claim.
And secondly the Spanish had sovereignty of the Islands as a result of the Papal bull of 1493 being international law of the time, if not the British claim is older than the French/Spanish claim
Neither of which is true of course and for future reference, don’t waste your breath arguing Papal BullSh*t with Protestants.
If a Pope says this half is Spanish and that half is Portuguese, then God clearly meant for the English to have it all.
Pugol
Sep 05th, 2022 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Jack Bauer
Hey Jack, nice to hear you, I trust all is good for you and yours and stay well my friend.”
Hi Pugol, thanks. Have been posting virtually zero on MP lately...Unfortunately one has to see the type of the crap posted by the idiot BrAsshole......he is the typical PT voter, ignorant, and feels no need to improve himself through a bit of education....just following in the footsteps of his idol who, during his 2nd presidential term, proudly announced, “why study, I never did, and look where I am”.....enough said.
Anyway, good to see you are doing well. Have you seen anything from Chicureo of late ? I presume he is happy at the rejection by the majority, of Chile's ultra-progressive attempt at a Constitution...
The election campaign here is quite interesting, in the sense that the two main candidates - both quite disgusting - are throwing a lot of sh*t at each other - albeit all deserved - and the people are too stupid to realize they have other options. But that is Brazil, education has always been neglected by governments and politicians, makes it easier to manipulate the people, like cattle...
Keep well !!
Malvinense
Sep 05th, 2022 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Nobody is disputing that the Spanish had a settlement on the islands in 1774. However Spain vacated the islands in 1810, the settlers returned to Spain via Uruguay. At that moment there was no sovereign claim on the islands, they were empty.
Until 1827 there was no settlement at all on the islands, just conflicting “claims”...a British claim based on an old plaque, a Spanish claim based on last civilian population, an Argentine claim based on inheritance.
None of those claims really amount to anything without a population to back it up.
Look up and down the islands in the Atlantic and Caribbean and its the same story. Argentina didnt get to “keep” lots of former Spanish islands....the people who live there do.
So, if we agree that by 1810 there were “conflicting claims” then it comes down to who managed to get a “working” civilian population to the islands.
This is where the lies and myths start, surrounding the Luis Vernet business. Argentina call it a working civilian population under an Argentine governor, Britain call it a failed business enterprise, vacated by Vernet, left under the management of the British Matthew Brisbane, none of whom were evicted when Britain re-established control in 1833.
If, as Argentina claim, Vernets business was a viable Argentine civilian population, there would have been no need to send Mestevier to the islands in October 1832 to claim them for Argentina, and even he was murdered by his own crew.
But of course you know the history. You switch between the inheritance falsehood, to the Vernet lie, to the Mestevier usurpation bullshine.....all the while knowing that 190 years of peaceful and prosperous civilian population trumps all the lies and bullcrap.
“Why study, I never did, and look where I am”.
Sep 06th, 2022 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0If that were true you would be able to prove it.
No lie can ever be proved, whereas the truth can be.
The 1850 treaty was never used by the United Kingdom as evidence for Argentina to drop its claims.
Sep 06th, 2022 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse -3The misrepresentation, the lie of your favorite website falls by itself.
https://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-v/capitulo5d
You mention Strong 1690, I can mention Magellan 1520. In any case, the discovery is not relevant as mentioned many times in the different posts.
Example ‘to establish a right of dominion on the fortuitous act of discovery, or on a momentary possession, is not sufficient: it must be formal or tranquil settlement, which includes habitation and culture’.
Considering this, France achieved it with its colony in 1764, Spain in 1766 and then Argentina, which emerged from the former Spanish territory. The British error, intentional or not, is that they separate Spain from Argentina.
Therefore the establishment of a successful colony was achieved long before Port Stanley existed. establishment founded after the usurpation.
So if non-British populations were established long before, what is your claim based on?
Jack Bauer
Sep 06th, 2022 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Jack, glad you are well.
From here the Brazilian election does seem a case of ‘the evil of two lessers’.
BrAsshole seems convinced that Lula will win and that this is good, which in itself, is enough to convince you that it isn’t.
Yeah, education works like Kryptonite on some people, positive reinforcement is all they want.
Educate the public and all you get is awkward questions and arguments.
I have to tell you, the last time I saw Chicureo post, which was the first one I had seen for some time was on this thread:
https://en.mercopress.com/2022/06/27/falklands-in-agenda-of-fernandez-bilateral-meeting-with-johnson-at-g7/comments#comment521925
I posted a reply, I don’t know if he saw it.
I hope for the best for them.
Stay well my friend, stay well.
“The 1850 treaty was never used by the United Kingdom as evidence for Argentina to drop its claims.”
Sep 06th, 2022 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So what? I have simply shown the legal consequences of a peace treaty at that time.
Of course, the UK is not going to reveal all of its cards, it’s going to keep its hand hidden, until needed. The most important outcome is it reveals that Argentina has no legal claim at all.
LAWS OF WAR By H. W. HALLECK, 1866, CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
§ 12. Principle of uti possidetes. A treaty of peace leaves everything in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question. ... ...Treaties of peace, made by the competent authorities of such governments, are obligatory upon the whole nation, and, consequently, upon all succeeding governments, whatever may be their character.
Additionally supported by Argentine subsequent acquiescence.
The Argentine president Domingo Sarmiento’s Message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869:
“The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them except that they will persevere in manifesting their sympathies, with which both Governments and peoples have honoured the Republic, both for its progress and its spirit of fairness.” (printed in: British and Foreign State Papers 1870-1871 (printed London 1877), p. 1227-1228).
Pugol
Sep 07th, 2022 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt u saw that the inflatable doll lover has reared his ugly head...must've had a good 'pumping' up his 'derrière'.....he, the BrAsshole 'n a couple of other idiots are why I don't visit MP all that often...depresses me to see how stupid some people can be.
But concerning Long Dong's lover, I suppose I should make an effort to reply to his usual, silly accusations regarding one of the 9-fingered, ex-convict's notorious public declarations, such as when he said something to the effect of “Why study, I never did, and look where I am”......there is no need to prove what is public knowledge, but if Numb Nuts still wants proof, let him consult Google...or, is his zero-knowledge of Portuguese an obstacle ?
Besides the above phrase, the ex-convict also said others, just as stupid.....during Dilma's first term, when she and the PT administration decided to divert funds from hospitals in construction, to build soccer stadiums for the 2014 World Cup, he said “you can't win the WC by building hospitals”.....of course you can't, but the grossly overpriced stadiums became 'priceless' sources of PT corruption.
The ex-convict, on more than one occasion, admitted he did not like to read....quite understandable, given the fact he is semi-illiterate.
Displaying his love for 'democracy' (the PT's version of it, of course), he threatened to arrest journalists who had the guts to write about his shortcomings (a lot of them), and tried, more than once, to pass laws which in effect would censor the press.
But Terry's woke sensitivity was hurt when I mentioned that Lula claimed that 'you don't need to study to be respected', and that ' you don't need a university diploma to be successful in politics'.....well, he is only respected by ignorant people and those who stand to gain something by sucking up to him. As for the 2nd phrase, I agree, especially in a country where education is not a priority...as it wasn't for Terry.
Reckon I'll look for Chicureo. Take care.
“I mentioned that Lula claimed that 'you don't need to study to be respected'
Sep 07th, 2022 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that were true you would be able to prove it.
Thus, you are shown for liar you are. No proof, no truth
Dear Terry F*ckwitt,
Sep 08th, 2022 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you insist on showing us all what an idiot you are....the internet /Google exists to help you....you don't know what you are missing by not learning how to use Google....it's so simple, and would open up a world of truths unknown to you - due to your ignorance.
Jack Bauer
Sep 08th, 2022 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1LOL, always entertaining and informative, you do have ‘a way with word’, it has to be said.
These days Tel and I manage to pretty much ignore each other. A quieter life.
On a different subject, a new guy started working at our place a few months ago, he’s from Nigeria, born and brought up in the same town as me in the North, what are the odds.
I managed to communicate in Hausa, although somewhat broken perfectly understandable he said, and using what is now an old fashioned form of the language. I understood him fine, just never heard the language used like that.
It was quite a moment for me, brought back a lot of almost forgotten memories, later on that evening sitting in the garden, I swear I could smell elephant grass.
When I grew up there everything was in Hausa, rarely heard English apart from my parents, when he grew up there 30 years later, he was educated in English, ironic or what.
Stay well my friend.
Thus, you are shown for liar you are. No proof, no truth
Sep 08th, 2022 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
Here’ why proof is needed otherwise liars like you would have a free hand on forums.
”16 Jack Bauer Armed opposition to the government was already happening in 1961....3 years before the military took over.
26 Jack Bauer the military…decided to try to prevent the VP Joao Goulart (Jango), a communist, from taking over. This caused Jango's brother-in-law Leonel Brizola, the governor of RS and also a declared communist…“
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/08/31/rousseff-s-fate-has-been-decided-senate-will-make-it-formal-on-wednesday
”Inconveniently, the US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party, and early in 1964, Russian leader Khrushchev refuses even token financial aid to Goulart, not wishing to tangle with the US over the country. ” Brazil Herald, 3/6/64
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