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“Malvinas are not Argentine, and definitively... Falklands are English,” argues Peruvian lawmaker
“If Argentine president Alberto Fernandez insists on recognizing coup-monger Pedro Castillo as the legitimate president of Peru, we should definitively say that the Malvinas islands are not Argentine, but British.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHere is a Peruvian Politician showing the Leverage that can be applied to Argentina and its Spurious illegitimate Claim upon the Falklands.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse +3He's got a point, you know.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse +4True - the Falkland Islands are not Argentine.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse +5Always wise to remember - a sovereignty claim without anything to take to the international court can only be described as illegitimate, unwarranted and WORTHLESS.
Geeeeeeee....
Dec 17th, 2022 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse -3Twentyone Peruvians killed so far by this “Institutional” coup...
The Peruvian ministers of culture and of education abandoned ship minutes ago...
Perú is in paralized and in flames..., but one of the directly responsible talks about Malvinas...?
Mr. Bustamante...
You know what you can do with that Malvinas argument...?
You can stick it where the sun doesn't shine..., feel free to start with the Gran Malvina...
El Tænk...
Taenk.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse +3What happened to the loyalty of every Latin American country supporting Argentina.
Dont look to good for you right now. Chile, Brazil ,Uruguay and now Peru starting to make noises about your illegal claim. The world wide web is now starting to have a positive effect.
People beginning to learn more of the truth.
The writing is on the wall.
Even Mexico now supporting Britain.
Your indoctrinating methods are no longer really working.
Just love it when that happens. The truth is out there and evidance is growing of the exposing of the Argentine lie.
Gran Malvina?
Dec 17th, 2022 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse +1English Maloon?
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/12/barnard.png
It is disgraceful the way Latin American politicians use the Falkland Islands as a political football.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3They have no concern for the well being of the inhabitants of the Falklands, it is all about national
self aggrandisement from Argentine politicians and the rest have no definite, well considered policy regarding sovereignty over the Islands they just flip and flop in their own self interest.
So much for all the moral posturing and Argentina‘s repeated calls for ‘negotiations’ based on dubious UN resolutions and alleged international support for Argentina.
“Engrish Maloon?”
Dec 17th, 2022 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Didn't know that you were proficient in Urdu..., copper...!
https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/maloon-meaning-in-english/36101.html
Well ... all this proves is that Malvinas/Falkland has become a catalyst for international political current favoring, the imploring for support by English speaking countries, and general boot licking. Nothing new. Throughout history oppositions to governments, hungry to grab power from more popular governments in control have always resorted to foreign support, unless they already dominated a satisfactory amount of other countries. - Did this short sighted idiot have any invested interest or need in making this declaration? No, so, ... why is he making it? He want's to attack Argentina's criticism of law-warfare in Peru and its support for Pedro Castillo's presidency. Once again Malvinas and the people living on the islands are the ultimate recipients of competitive subjectifying by political groups and their ambitions. All because Britain refused in 1833 to discuss with Argentina the sovereignty matter and instead used brute force to snatch them from that defenseless country.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Aside from this what we are actually witnessing is American/British communications political success in polarizing the West with the aim of creating a socialist/populist/labor surrogate enemy anywhere such mechanism can be useful, in order to create discord and competition before intervention. Hence why today we say “Britain is always the cause of problems in the world”, because they simply don't know how to live in peace with others who don't play by their rules and views.
Since 1833 the islands have been subject to the maneuvering manipulations of politicians in both countries, apparently not just in them.
Do the character-less maintained Falklanders have anything to say about this ? Nah, they're like short seaweed at the bottom of an ocean letting everything above them do what it may, so as long as no one cuts their feeding tube, as they are entirely incapable of being worldly wise and equally objective towards both Argentina and Britain. They live and exist by and for British strategy.
oh Trimonde.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Almost nothing in you post bears any relation to actual fact.
Argentina refused to discuss the sovereignty matter with Britain in November 1832 when they unilaterally sent a garrison to the islands, Britain evicted it 3 months later...nearly 200 years later Argentina still lies about it.
Yes well Titmonde the Falkland Islanders are well aware of what happens when they are 'objective towards Argentina'. 15,000 uninvited guests suddenly appear and have to be shown the way out.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“Hence why today we say “Britain is always the cause of problems in the world”
Dec 17th, 2022 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3And we know the value of any Argentine statement.
The historical view of Argentina has been observed. As the US chargé d'affaires Francis Baylies wrote about Argentina in 1832
“...The revolutions of these people are seditious; their knowledge. chicanery and trickery; their patriotism, their liberty, a farce... ”
Baylies held that the US should sign no treaty ...for we would abide by it, and they would consider the violation no greater offense than a lie told by a schoolboy...”
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/argentina/rosas.pdf
To the present day as constantly defrauding and reneging on every contract or treaty. But what else can be expected of a peoples that aspire to be dishonest vis-à-vis viveza criolla.
What and ass!! So he blatantly spells it out . We can just as easily say the islands are British and not Argentinian if Fernandez supports Castillo. Implying that if Fernandez was against Castillo, they would would instead support Argentina's claim to the islands? LOL ... So it's not about historical truth, political understanding, solidarity or sincerity. It's about using our issues with the British against us and selling his own country's moral compass out as easily as spilling a cup of water in a pool.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -8What a moron! - But that's OK, as I explained before, we know what it's all about.
“Argentina's claim to the islands? LOL ... So it's not about historical truth, political understanding, solidarity or sincerity”.
Dec 17th, 2022 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Well said trimonde, you finally got it!
@Trimonde, everyone is equal when it comes to open territorial disputes, they look after the convenience of their interests.
Dec 18th, 2022 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same is done by the European Union and the US with their friendly countries.
The only ones that can decide keep open or end the territorial dispute, either by total war or peaceful means are Argentina and the United Kingdom.
nope.
Dec 18th, 2022 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse +3The territorial dispute is ended, by war in 1982 (Argentina lost) and by peaceful means (Argentina has no case and never did). Suggest you give up and leave fairy stories to children.
“... instead used brute force...” “Right, you lot, you're being very naughty so off you go. Take your flag down and bugger off, ok?” Not a shot fired, merely told to leave, and they did. Those that wanted to stay did so. Some are still buried here... So much for “brute force”.
Dec 18th, 2022 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse +3They were illegals, and so it goes. Patrick you know nothing.
Before giving Argentina any support for its not so ‘diplomatic’ campaign to usurp the Falkland Islands, Argentina’s neighbours should consider what would happen should it be successful.
Dec 18th, 2022 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Given that Argentina’s claim now extends well beyond the Falkland Islands to include South Georgia and a string of other islands extending all the way to Antartica, Argentina would have gained for itself a significant empire. Would other countries be happy with these acquisitions by a bellicose Argentina who may want to pursue more territorial claims at their expense?
And what about the legitimate rights of the people of the Falklands to self determination? An Argentine takeover will become an embarrassing human rights issue for Argentina and the UN. Do countries that have given Argentina support want to see their standing as good international citizens damaged or destroyed?
Before they provide any support for a sovereignty claim of very dubious legal standing, they should consider carefully the ramifications of their actions.
“The only ones that can decide keep open or end the territorial dispute”
Dec 18th, 2022 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
“A State which has ceased to exercise any authority over a territory cannot, by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another which for a sufficiently long time has effectively exercised the powers and fulfilled the duties of sovereignty in it.''(Theory and Reality in International Law, de Visscher, 1957, p201).
the war not change nathing while an open dispute persist, on an open territorial dispute.. Argentine can and will wait oportunitis and send soldiers go there, retake possession at the first moment of weakness they consider and kill English soldiers... and vice versa the same, English soldiers can kill Argentines and defend their position on the islands.. all is fair at war.
Dec 18th, 2022 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -6What a silly little boy you have become Argie Cit, Britain learned its lesson in 82 and will not make the same mistake again, the islands will never belong to Argentina unless the islanders choose so, so continue wasting your life on a pipe dream posting silly little war mongering posts, meanwhile the Falklands will continue to prosper and grow,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@JudgeJose really? The same thing was believed by the inhabitants of the Roman, Mayan, Byzantine, Persian, Phoenician, etc. empires and going more to the present day the Soviet Union.
Dec 19th, 2022 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse -4And if that pattern has been maintained in 45,000 years of humanity, why is it going to change now?..
What on earth are you talking about Argie Cit, your post are becoming more crazy by the day,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse +3“Malvinas son Argentinas”
Dec 19th, 2022 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -5It's only a matter of time.
Bras, please explain to me how this can happen, the islanders are not worried one little bit,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Judge Jose,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -4No one need be worried as there is nothing to worry about.
Let things happen naturally. For example, Brazil was founded on April 22, 1500. It became “independent” on September 7, 1822. From foundation to independence, 322 years passed.
What can I say about the Malvinas? Wait.
So the Falklands will become independent in 2040,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@Judge Jose , this will be happen while we had an open territorial dispute.
Dec 19th, 2022 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4As we are currently not in a position to overcome or confront the United Kingdom militarily, we will maintain a position of peaceful claim... maintaining only minimal purchases of military material for self-defense and keeping human resources and pilots trained.
We will continue to focus all this budget, as we have been doing for the last 20 years, on the development of satellites, and ICBM missiles such as the Condor 2 or Tronador vector, and adding further development of the Nuclear cycle.
We will continue to strengthen our alliances and technology transfers with Brazil and Peru.
always peacefully, waiting while you divide yourselves as has been the case with scotland and ireland.
In the meantime we will do our best to drive defense spending through the roof from 500 to 5000 a year, to make maintenance more expensive for its middle class citizens in the UK.
We will also wait for the windows of opportunity that arise due to its strained relations with China and Russia, which we see as very likely in the next 200 years, perhaps less with what is happening in the Ukraine.
And even so, in all this meanwhile, the objective will always be to increase the costs, from a peaceful position.
so yes, not good relations
OMG, AC. you are living in la la land, if the earth still exists in 200 years time and man kind hasnt destroyed the planet then the Falklands will have grown enough to look after itself,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1if you really believe what you have posted then you need help,
Argentine citizen
Dec 19th, 2022 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1How funny you are. So, you claim that you are just waiting for a time to be militarily stronger than the UK before launching your attack. Crikey, how benevolent we must be in order to wait for you. Surely our best recourse would be to launch a preemptive strike.
How about one of those ICBMs hitting Buenos Aires tomorrow, and two million dead?
For what, islands you never owned, a 200 year old fairy story, so the Peronists can unite you against a mythical enemy whilst raping you from behind.
And you are too stupid to see it.
Arge Cit
Dec 19th, 2022 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2What are you taking? It's obviously powerful stuff for you to believe the nonsense you've posted
In fact the level of delusion indicates that maybe you should get some professional help
Brasileiro
Don't look now but Portugal has decided to rescind your independence so once again you will be a colony. Yes you see we can all talk crap.
Like the United States, we must prepare for the Colonial War.
Dec 19th, 2022 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I agree Darragh.
Although I don't believe that in the 21st century Portugal would dare to attack us.
@Monkeymagic, Of course u can, at war is legal. Uk will be able to atack with icbm buenos aires, and argentina will be able to atack with icbm london. this if argentina reseach nuclear weapons and leave the TNP.
Dec 19th, 2022 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“How about one of those ICBMs hitting Buenos Aires tomorrow, and two million dead?” at now this option is not availeable, for the NPT , same reason they didint doit in 82´ while we were skuning theyr ships, and killing each other.
@darragh, we are just talking abaut future.
Oh dear
Dec 19th, 2022 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The reason we didn't do it in 1982 was out of pity, pity for the Argentine people. Once one of the richest countries in the world they have been shafted time and again by corrupt government after corrupt government, a country where lying, cheating, stealing and dishonour are badges of pride.
It is more likely that one day Argentine might grow up into a proper country, see through this malvinas nonsense, get rid of their corrupt governments than actually ever take the Falklands.
@Monkeymagic,
Dec 19th, 2022 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Do you really believe that stupidity that a country is going to let ships sink, and hundreds of its soldiers die out of pity?
You did not want an escalation with neighboring countries or third countries, you did not even dare to carry out attacks with conventional weapons on the continent.
Today, no country has crossed the red line to use weapons of mass destruction since 1945... let alone a nuclear-armed country would violate the NPT to threaten or attack a non-nuclear-armed country... not even.
Even the United States peed its pants and did not do it in Vietnam while they lost the war and thousands of soldiers
Argentine citizen
Dec 19th, 2022 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Congratulations on the very smart answer.
“This will be happen while we had an open territorial dispute.”
Dec 19th, 2022 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Rubbish, it has already happened with Islands. Ask Serbia about Kosovo.
“Advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence Accordance with International Law of the Unilateral Declaration of Independence in Respect of Kosovo was a request in 2008 for an advisory opinion referred to the International Court of Justice by the United Nations General Assembly regarding the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence.”
territorial integrity
Paragraph 80 of the ICJ Kosovo Advisory Opinion that states, “the scope for the principle for territorial integrity is limited to the relationship between individual States and does not impinge on the right to self-determination and independence.”
“We will do our best to drive defense spending through the roof “
With no success so far.
The cost of defending the Islands is currently met by Her Majesty's Government, and is estimated to amount 0.177% of the total UK Defence budget annually. Beyond the cost of defence, the Falkland Islands do not receive any further financial assistance from the United Kingdom.
https://www.falklands.gov.fk/self-sufficiency/
Argentine Citizen
Dec 19th, 2022 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Yes, it was pity. As your ships all ran away, terrified, Britain could have sunk the entire Armada, and on the way home, carpet bombed Buenos Aires. We could have left Argentina in a state where even the mention of Las Malvinas would have been met with terror.
What we did thou, was recovered our islands, with the minimal possible loss of life, and then tried to encourage Argentina back to democracy.
Who knew that this pity and kindness would be met with ingratitude and ignorance.
Next time we will know better.
The lesson we learned was the importance of having a good submarine fleet. Argentina went to war with only 2, ara-san luis and ara santa fe.
Dec 19th, 2022 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -4They should have waited until 1983 to receive 6 tr1700 submarines.
What the war taught us is the importance and supremacy of the small silent and fast Diesel-electric submarines. The shallowness and the number of sunken whaling ships in the area making acoustic noise make them difficult to detect.
In the course of the war, during the 60 days of patrol of the ara san luis in the gulf of san jorge, he kept the english fleet away and despite the fact that they hunted him down, they were unable to find him.
It was a lesson that we confirmed when the ARA san juan TR1700 sank and it took 1 year to find the wreckage despite an international coalition looking for it.
Few submarines and an ill-equipped navy to go to war, was what made Argentina fail in the reconquest of the Malvinas.
Do not think that it was so easy for royal navy recover the islands, according to English historians and the british generals themselves they were close to losing.
It is difficult to carry out an amphibious operation at 8,000 miles.
Argentine citizen
Dec 20th, 2022 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse +2Well at least you understand modern military operations and thinking, regarding subs,
For todays Navy there are only 2 kind of ships Submarines and Targets
The reason why the USA has a top notch fleet of Subs followed closely by Russia
Regarding China, Beijing’s undersea fleet by 2030 could expand to include 60 diesel-electric boats and at least 16 nuclear attack submarines
Argentina back in 82. had no chance with the UK fielding just 1 sub to the Falklands, The very reason Argentine Ships stayed in port.
The problem is Argentine zit is that we don't have to “recover” the islands, they were undefended in 1982 and the Argentine navy had free reign to cross the 300 miles unmolested to take them.
Dec 20th, 2022 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse +2That is not the case now.
That 300 miles is well defended. Your type 209 sub would last 30 seconds against an astute Class sub. Not to mention the RAF at Mount Pleasant.
You lunatic rantings show all the more why Britain should not lower the defences of the islands.
Nuclear submarines, like the Astute among others, are preferably designed to launch ICBM missiles and attack surface ships (like the ara Belgrano for example).
Dec 20th, 2022 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -2They are not hunting submarines, and it is not their primary design function.
Mainly, because the pumps that cool the nuclear reactor that powers them leave an acoustic signature. Added to a length of 93 meters and a slow displacement of 30 knots.
The electric diesels are not only cheaper, but they are half the size, they are faster and quieter, because they use electric propulsion from the battery bank. They are submarines designed to hunt other submarines and surface ships. Some of these models are the TR1700, the type212 of German design among others.
They also have the advantage of being able to navigate in shallow waters, and among the lures of sunken ships like those that surround the waters of the islands. It is a war learning that we realized thanks to the skirmish of 82
and then with the intense and laborious search for the ara san juan TR1700.
@Argentine citizen Perhaps North Korea could sell you some of theirs as you seem so keen on having them, But do remember they require a lot of servicing and spare parts and Argentina has an appalling record on NOT maintaining Military Hardware!!
Dec 20th, 2022 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@DD our sellers were and will be Germany, Italy, France, Russia, China, Pakistan and India.
Dec 20th, 2022 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Argentine citizen. what a deluded one you really are. Remember there are some in Argentina already believe that we have nuclear missiles on the islands. I know that is not true, but can you take that chance. Reckon if Argentina got stupid again, we would likely end up owning the entire country.
Dec 20th, 2022 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You say you can wait 200 years more. At the way your country is going in mounting debt. poverty and possible loss of world support, Argentina may not be in existence by then. The Falklands very likely will still be going strong. We are growing and consolidating. Think before you open that mouth would be a good start.
Arg Cititwat
Dec 23rd, 2022 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Astute Class subs cannot launch ICBMs. Don't believe me look it up in Janes
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