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Falklands Veteran urges PM Sunak to declassify documents of the bombing of Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram
Falklands war Veteran and hero Simon Weston has urged PM Rishi Sunak to declassify documents about the attack that left him disfigured and killed 56 British servicemen. According to a piece published in the Daily Express, Justin Stoneman recalls that when Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessels Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram were bombed in 1982 by Argentine jets, it was one of the deadliest days for UK forces since the Second World War. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAn act of war against the enemy's military. What's the problem?
May 01st, 2023 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Do you even hear yourself? He’s not questioning the Argentine attack. He’s asking for the release of the British investigation following the attack on the two RFA ships. Honestly think before commenting. Although to be fair we’ll get the usual diatribe thrust upon us. Oh the joys.
May 01st, 2023 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Err ....
May 01st, 2023 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/board-of-inquiry-report-into-the-loss-of-rfa-sir-tristram-and-rfa-sir-galahad-june-8-1982.pdf
So Bras, the attack on the Belgrano was “an act of war against the enemy's military. What's the problem?”
May 02nd, 2023 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse +1Try selling that one to the Malvinista loonies.
Err..., copper...
May 02nd, 2023 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse -3- Falklands war Veteran and hero Simon Weston has urged PM Rishi Sunak to DECLASSIFY documents about the attack that left him disfigured and killed 56 British servicemen...
- Documents that were provided to investigators shortly after the 1982 incident, but that HAVE BEEN BLOCKED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS UNTIL 2065....
- Documents that are..., of course.., NOT INCLUDED in that fawlty “malvinastimeline” you luuuv to link us to...
- As another Anglo poster correctly wrote above...:
“Honestly lad.., Tænk before commenting... Although to be fair we’ll get the usual diatribe thrust upon us... Oh the joys...”
Capisce...?
In case it is included in his timeline, Roger gives his own interpretation of the events.
May 02nd, 2023 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse -3HAVE BEEN BLOCKED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS UNTIL 2065.
similar to the attack on HMS Invincible?
Err, there was no ‘attack on the Invincible’, in the real world anyway.
May 02nd, 2023 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Invincible_(R05)#History
‘Argentine intelligence had sought to determine the position of the carriers from analysis of aircraft flight routes from the task force to the islands. However, the British had a standing order that all aircraft conduct a low level transit when leaving or returning to the carriers to disguise their position. This tactic compromised the Argentine attack, which focused on a group of escorts 40 miles south of the main body of ships. When one of the Super Étendards detected a large target on radar, the Exocet was launched, and the Super Étendards turned for Argentina, while the Skyhawks followed the Exocet, which soon passed out of sight. Two of the attacking Skyhawks were shot down by Sea Darts fired by HMS Exeter, with HMS Avenger claiming to have shot down the missile with her 4.5” gun (although this claim is disputed). No damage was caused to any British vessels. During the war, Argentina claimed to have damaged the ship and continues to do so to this day, although no evidence of any such damage has been produced or uncovered.’
In case you missed it:
‘No damage was caused to any British vessels….. no evidence of any such damage has been produced or uncovered.’
So what documents are those then, Trunks?
May 02nd, 2023 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marvin, HMS Invincible? Seriously?
https://elpais.com/diario/1982/07/12/internacional/395272804_850215.html
Which of the versions after the attack are you mentioning? Number 1? Number 2? Number 3?
May 02nd, 2023 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Seriously Roger? As serious as your malvinastimeline?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyCxtdmiKhk
‘No damage was caused to any British vessels….. no evidence of any such damage has been produced or uncovered.’
May 02nd, 2023 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Of course Pugol, listen to Falklands veteran and hero Simon West: “but it has been blocked for public access until 2065”
May 02nd, 2023 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Roger Lorton...me deR ex- copper in Siam...
May 02nd, 2023 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- You ask...:
So what documents are those then, Tænk?
- I say...:
-Evidently NOT the documents Falklands war Veteran and hero Simon Weston is asking for...
Ya' know, those about the attack that left him disfigured and killed 56 British servicemen, he says have been CLASSIFIED & BLOCKED FOR PUBLIC ACCESS UNTIL 2065....
Or are you mayhaps trying to imply that Falklands war Veteran and hero Simon Weston is telling porkies...?
Capisce...?
So, here's the thing, Trunks, when documents are embargoed, they are removed from the file in the National Archives. The file cover, however, remains. On it is the subject matter and the terms of the embargo, including, notably, the date when it will next be considered. Therefore, the subject matter, as noted on the file cover, should be known. The only file I am aware of that has been delayed is one containing 'personal' statements and information. That is unlikely to be opened until everyone is dead and gone. It may contain many accusations, but the official report, is unlikely to be changed.
May 02nd, 2023 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/board-of-inquiry-report-into-the-loss-of-rfa-sir-tristram-and-rfa-sir-galahad-june-8-1982.pdf
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May 02nd, 2023 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Simon West was on the Sir Galahad, not the Invincible, however many foreign journalists were, none of whom reported any attack.
There is nothing to ‘block’ until 2065.
‘No damage was caused to any British vessels….. no evidence of any such damage has been produced or uncovered.’
‘no evidence’.
The difference between ‘fake news’ and ‘facts’, is the ‘evidence’.
You have ‘no evidence’, so it’s ‘fake news’
Capishhh!!!
If HMS Invincible had been attacked, someone would have sold the story to the press long ago.
May 02nd, 2023 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2A photo, from August 28, 1982.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2023/05/invincible-illustrious-aug-28-1982.jpg
Impossible, if Invincible had been sunk.
Mr. Lorton...
May 03rd, 2023 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse -2So..., you are indeed implying that Falklands war Veteran and hero Simon Weston is telling porkies..., or maybe that his brain is gone mushy after sniffing all them hydrocarbons..., right...?
All Simon is asking for is that the findings of the board of enquiry be made public in light of all the conjecture, arguments, bad-blood, conspiracy theories that have arisen recently following the publication of “Too Thin for a Shroud”. He is not interested in pointing the finger or laying the blame for anything on anyone's doorstep. From the start - sending 5 Brigade forwards in two Landing ships with no air cover, to a destination that was unsuitable for a disembarkation, to being sat in daylight hyper-exposed to the idea that there may or may not have been arguments as to who disembarks first (the RAMC or the logistics), it was a disaster waiting to happen.
May 03rd, 2023 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse +1As for HMS Invincible, I am unsure as to how you can cover up something that never happened! I know a lot of the crew who were onboard at the time and they are as mystified as anyone as to how the purported attack on their ship may have happened without their knowing about it!
Strange thing.....
May 03rd, 2023 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2On March 27, 2023 Jessica Morden MP set a question in Parliament to “ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if he will launch a formal inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the 1982 attack on the RFA Sir Galahad.”
On March 30, Andrew Murrison, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Ministry of Defence) responded: “A Board of Inquiry was convened on 12 July 1982 to investigate the loss of RFA Sir Galahad. The redacted copy of this report is held at this link: https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/board-of-inquiry-report-into-the-loss-of-rfa-sir-tristram-and-rfa-sir-galahad-june-8-1982.pdf. ”
I was wondering why I was getting more attention than usual. Not sure what to make of it.
Hmmmmm...
May 03rd, 2023 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Mayhaps..., because you are a useful “Soldier” for the political system..., Copper...
Not a useless one..., as Falklands War Veteran and Hero Simon Weston..., seems to have become...
Capisce...?
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