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No Argentine special delegation to Charles III Coronation; when Peron proposed UK the purchase of Falklands
Contrary to all the pageantry, rituals, and displays of past Coronations in the United Kingdom, this time Argentina is sending no special, much less extraordinary delegation to the coronation of King Charles III on Saturday, and is limited to the attendance of its ambassador in London, Javier Figueroa. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo in 1950 Argentina tried to buy the Falklands. There lies the truth. Proves that Argentina has never had sovereignty over the islands, because if she had, there would not have been an offer to buy what you supposedly already own.
May 06th, 2023 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +8Argentina has always had its eye on the Antarctic and the Falklands are in the way, so claiming them in the hope they can eventually get them is the only way left open to them.
Trying to buy them failed in 1950. Invading them failed in 1982. So their chances of ever again wooing the Islanders or even Britain is now nill.
Time they put the whole affair to rest and moved on.
An attempt to purchase indicates recognition of the right of the possessor to sell.
May 06th, 2023 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +11Copper..., copper...
May 06th, 2023 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -6It wasn't NO attempt to PURCHASE nothin'...
It was a 1953 VERBAL offer of an amicable LOAN between friends ...
No different from the recent offer Richard SHARP made to BoJo JOHNSON...
- Do you have ANY EVIDENCE that a PURCHASE OFFER was ever made...? Even a “NO PAPER”...?
Now..., speaking about “NO PAPERS”...
What do you TÆNK the below linked -“1974 NO PAPER”- indicates about “recognition of rights”...?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/83966769/Propuesta-Britanica-1974-2
Huhhhhhhhh...?
According to infobae, an argy propaganda website:
May 06th, 2023 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +5https://www.infobae.com/opinion/2022/09/08/la-mision-teisaire-a-la-coronacion-de-isabel-ii-y-la-negociacion-por-malvinas/
‘Teisaire offered a negotiation for the Malvinas Islands, which included the option to purchase them by the Argentine State.’
‘the Argentine received the answer that accepting such a proposal would mean the automatic fall of the government’.
Another example of acquiescence and estoppel by Argentina.
May 06th, 2023 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina through its statements and failure to protest has acquiesced to British title of the
Falklands Falklands – Acquiescence and Estoppel (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/101044452/Falklands_Acquiescence_and_Estoppel
Delighted the Argies were not there at high level. Hopefully they were not invited.
May 06th, 2023 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +3What is the cost to Argentina of maintaining the Malvinas claim
May 06th, 2023 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“speaking about “NO PAPERS”
“..qui tacet consentiré videtur-lit. he who is silent is thought to consent. Thus, he who keeps silent is assumed to consent; silence gives consent. In law, the silence of a party implies his consent.. A maxim of crime and consent. qui tacet, consentit-lit. he who is silent agrees. Thus, who keeps silent consents; silence means consent; silent consent is same as expressed consent; consent by conduct is as good as expressed consent. This is an implied term in law....”
SOMA'S DICTIONARY OF LATIN QUOTATIONS MAXIMS AND PHRASES
A Compendium Of Latin Thought And Rhetorical Instruments For The Speaker Author And Legal Practitioner
”The General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modern prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created ‘prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law’.
Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law by Peter Malanczuk
Copper...
May 06th, 2023 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -4- I just noticed that the link above I asked you to comment on..., ain't open to common peoples...
We try another archive...:
What do you TÆNK the below linked -“1974 NO PAPER”- indicates about “recognition of rights”...?
https://web.archive.org/web/20150923235951/http://www.embajadaabierta.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/propuesta-br7tanica-.pdf
“1974 NO PAPER”- indicates about “recognition of rights”
May 06th, 2023 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Happily, we are all bound by the requirements of international law, in particular UN Charter article 73 . which prohibits any act that prevents the Islanders right of ‘self-determination’.
While Argentina is prevented by her own actions, to any legal recourse.
In other words, she’s up shit’s creek without a paddle.
Well, if infobae is not telling the truth about Argentina offering to buy the Falklands, what else might they not be telling the truth about???
May 06th, 2023 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2https://www.infobae.com/america/buscador/?query=malvinas
Humm, the Puelmapu Planter is hoisted on his own Petard, methinks.
Probably too worried about ‘gasoducts’ getting blown up in Dead Cow to be concerned with ‘getting his fact straight’.
Dear MercoPress: you really should stop using expressions like “the recovery of the Falkland Islands”. You cannot “recover ”what has never been yours.
May 06th, 2023 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Amicable loan between friends, Trunks?
May 07th, 2023 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse +5What are you waffling on about?
“Argentine President Juan Domingo Perón tried to buy the Falkland Islands from the Government of London in 1953,... Perón made his firm offer of purchase through a special envoy, who attended the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II of England as Argentine representative on June 2, 1953. The British Government rejected the offer – which did not materialize in a price – for fear that the government of Sir Winston Churchill would
fall. ...The 1953 document details the conversations that the then president of the Argentine Senate had in a central London hotel. Perón's offer was answered with the same arguments that the London authorities use today, 30 years later: Her Majesty's Government considers the sale of the Falkland Islands (British name for the islands) inconceivable because its inhabitants are British. Lord Reading also commented to the Argentine representative that if a referendum was held in the Falklands at that time, its inhabitants would decide to continue under the British flag, to which Teisaire agreed saying that yes, that would probably be true. … Lord Reading ... made it clear that “the Government, with all certainty, would be overthrown” if such a sale operation was allowed.” [El Pais January 3, 1984]
Argentina never offered to buy the Falkland Islands, those are unofficial documents made up of propaganda by the English foregging office.
May 07th, 2023 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse -6What if there is, are official memorandums from the English foregging office that prove that what they did in 1833 was an atrocious act... and more memorandums indicating the difficulty of demonstrating the English position and better call to silence.
What yes are acknowledgments of possession, are the attempts of the English Government to offer a shared sovereignty in the 70's and later directly try to push the islanders to accept Argentine sovereignty
Copper...
May 07th, 2023 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse -5- You base your whole argument...: - (“An attempt to purchase indicates recognition of the right of the possessor to sell”) -... on some alleged British secret document of 1953..., allegedly released from the British Official Secrets Act in 1983 from which you can not show any copy or proof..., besides some “Hearsay” from a non British newspaper...
- On me above question (based on a copy of a British 1974 “No Paper”
filed at the United Nations Special Comittee of Decolonization) bout...:
“What do you TÆNK the below linked -“1974 NO PAPER”- indicates about “recognition of rights”...?
https://web.archive.org/web/20150923235951/http://www.embajadaabierta.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/propuesta-br7tanica-.pdf ”
... You remind perfectly silent...
- No wonder your “Malvinastimeline” is so biased & lacking..., lad...
Capisce...?
Trunks, you never look at my links, why would I look at yours? 1974?
May 07th, 2023 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse +6https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/1972-to-1982.pdf
A couple more quotes regarding 1953.
“In 1953, on the occasion of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II, the Peronist government sent a mission headed by the senate president (who later became the nation’s vice-president), Alberto Tesaire, in order to offer to buy the Falkland Islands from the United Kingdom as the state had done with the railroads. After conversations at the highest level, the Argentine proposal was rejected by Winston Churchill’s government. The decision took into account the negative repercussions that it would bring to the then prime minister. The
British argument was based on the fact that the inhabitants of the Islands were British, which shows that from that moment this issue was already a central axis of British policy towards the Islands.” [State, national identity and power: a historical tour in search of the causes of the Falklands–Malvinas War Guillermo Mira and Fernando Pedrosa 2021]
“Teisaire took advantage of the days of his stay in London to carry out “a secret and extremely delicate process”: he had a proposal that his interlocutors at the Foreign Office received with surprise: a purchase of the Malvinas Islands. He conveyed the idea during the conversations he held in a central London hotel with the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Lord Reading, who had responsibility for Latin American affairs.” [La ‘misión Teisaire’ a la coronación de Isabel II y la negociación por Malvinas Mariano Caucino in Infobae September 8, 2022]
Sounds like there was an offer to buy.
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/03/world/peron-in-1953-tried-to-buy-the-falklands.html
May 07th, 2023 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2So, Argy propaganda website, Spanish and US papers all carry the story!!!
All of whom refer to documents released under the 30 year rule.
As for the original papers, according to the National Archive:
‘Most Foreign Office and Foreign and Commonwealth Office records held at The National Archives are not viewable or downloadable online. To view them you will either need to visit our building in Kew, find references to records on our online catalogue with which you can order copies, or pay for research to be done for you.’
There should be similar documents in Argentina, if someone hasn’t already destroyed them.
Let’s be honest here, if Argentina were today offered the opportunity to buy the Islands, they would sell everything from their grandmothers to their grandchildren and everything in between including the kitchen sink to raise the money, whatever price was asked.
Argy Planter
What was considered was in the late 70s was a ‘leaseback scheme’, where a ‘leaseback’ would mean that the first party has title to sell to the second party, to then lease back to the first party.
It denies the second party has any title, or they would not have to buy it in the first place.
Pugol 1 AC 0
May 07th, 2023 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Copper...
May 07th, 2023 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -3You keep serving is more & more “HEARSAY”...
And..., to make things worse..., foreign “HEARSAY”...!
What 'bout presenting that alleged “British Document” stating that we Argies offered TO BUY them lsles...?
As i see it we Argies were quite open back then... We would have called it a loan to Winston or his Party..., a donation to Winston or his party or let it be unnamed as a normal Bakseesh..., totally at the discretion of our Engrish hosts...
Btw...
I notice that..., on me above question (based on a copy of a British 1974 “No Paper”
filed at the United Nations Special Comittee of Decolonization) bout...:
“What do you TÆNK the below linked -“1974 NO PAPER”- indicates about “recognition of rights”...?
https://web.archive.org/web/20150923235951/http://www.embajadaabierta.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/propuesta-br7tanica-.pdf ”
... You still chose to remind in perfect silence....
Chuckle..., chuckle...
No mention in the ‘foreign hearsay’ of any Boris style loan.
May 07th, 2023 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Febrile imagination in overdrive, searching for a way out of the inevitable conclusion that the Argys accepted the British had Title to the territory.
It should be noted that any ‘condominium’ arrangement would also involve, by definition, Argentina accepting that the British held title.
It should also be noted the whilst the British Gov could agree leaseback/condominium arrangements back then, it cannot do so today as the devolved assembly in the Islands has the final say on any such proposal.
And I think we all know what their answer would be!!!
Anyway, Argentina accepted British title over the Islands in the agreement of 1850, whereas the British have never that accepted Argentina has any legitimate claim to the territory.
Where a ‘without prejudice’ offer to discuss compromise solutions, does not constitute a recognition of anything.
Even today, inherent in Argentina’s demands that the British negotiate sovereignty, is the recognition that the British hold sovereignty.
Argentina should have tried to reach a compromise when they had the chance, they didn’t, they thought they were negotiating a handover and when they realised that was not going to happen, the negotiations broke down.
Regret it and weep, then do try and move on, it’s not going to happen again, ever.
Trunks, are you taking your tablets?
May 07th, 2023 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You keep giving me the same letter, scruffy as it is. I told you, everything is here - https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/1972-to-1982.pdf
If you go to 1974, you'll see the same document. An over-generous proposal subject to the approval of the Islanders which was rejected by Argentina. No recognition of pre-existing Argentine rights and, frankly, Islander approval was never going to happen. All-in-all, a waste of everyones time. It's all in the pdf.
Now, do your carers know that you are out?
Copper...
May 08th, 2023 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse -6- The only tablets I take..., are some small white Cyclamate ones I keep in store for those seldom sad occurrences..., when I run out of Demerara for me morning Espresso... :-(
Hoping that your aching Archer Shoulder hasn't yet pushed you into Fentanyl..., I return to the main topic...:
- Ya told me that... “Everything is here -”...
“EVERYTHING BUT” that alleged “British Document” stating that we Argies offered TO BUY them lsles...
That happens to be the alleged “British Document” you based your initial comment on...
That happens to be the alleged “British Document” I kindly are asking you 'bout...
That happens to be the alleged “British Document” ya' can't provide not... ;-)
Luuuuuuuv your description of the Brutish Foreign & Colonial Office compatriots work..., btw...
“A SCRUFFY, OVER-GENEROUS PROPOSAL”...
How nice of you...
Capisce...?
Reading disparaging comments from a public servant, with actual and formal responsbilities, is not acceptable. Mike Summers, with his recurrent “anti-Argentine” comments, is becoming the “islander version” of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.
May 08th, 2023 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2‘“islander version” of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.’
May 08th, 2023 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, somewhat of a gross exaggeration there, methinks
It’s kind of like the Russians not being very popular in Ukraine either.
Understandable really.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeererereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
May 08th, 2023 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel obliged to apologize for my above's compatriot ignorant turnip's ignorance.
Not only does Pgerman ignore that Kelper Mike Summers ain't no public server no more.
But he also ignores that our beloved “Foxy Smile Mike” enjoys his Platinum Press Freedom.
“Platinum Press Freedom” being the Freedom of the Owner of the Press to freely print whatever.
Capisce...?
Oh dear, poor old Tank, still trying to give me assets owned by others. A couple of houses and a slightly decrepit old car is all I have. Living off a modest pension.
May 08th, 2023 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Mr. Summers...
May 08th, 2023 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Some CLARIFICATION seems to be needed...
I do know you don't personally own this particular “PRESS” thingy...
But its FINANCERS..., YOUR EMPLOYERS..., have given you a PLATINUM CARD to it...
- As you can read..., all the above blah, blah..., would have taken the sting out of that auld, true concept..., valid since the time of GUTENBERG...:
- “PRESS FREEDOM” IS THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS OWNER TO PRINT WHATEVER HE FANCIES...
Capisce...?
Taenk or 1833 or whatever name you choose to use, get a life, you are boring,
May 08th, 2023 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Que ???????
May 08th, 2023 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzTFNWJWnWk&pp=ygUMTWFudWVsIGJhc2ls
May 08th, 2023 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Mike Summers
May 09th, 2023 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well on the bright side, when the oil billions/trillions start rolling in, pensioners in the Falklands will be getting more money than the President of Argentina (legal income only included).
With the added advantage that you won’t have to take the money home every day in a wheelbarrow and risk getting mugged for the wheelbarrow.
You’ll soon be eating squashed duck (roadkill) and swilling Philipponnat Champers in swanky Paris restaurants, rubbing shoulders with God knows who.
BTW..., Mr. Roger Lorton..., copper...
May 10th, 2023 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse -1Have you considered including this (linked below) information to your lacking “malvinastimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/board-of-inquiry-report-into-the-loss-of-rfa-sir-tristram-and-rfa-sir-galahad-june-8-1982”...?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/05/uk-ministers-urged-to-unseal-files-on-falklands-attack-that-killed-56
Or is it just “irrelevant” for you...?
Trunks, we've already had this conversation. Is your memory going?
May 10th, 2023 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2023-03-27.174251.h
Soooo..., copper...
May 11th, 2023 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse -1Let's see if I understand you correctly...
Your answer is then..., that you will not consider including any new, true & relevant information to your lacking “Malvinastimeline”..., that could confront, controvert, counteract or contradict your superiors at “Youworkforthem.com”...?
That's a goooooooooood copper... :-)))
Capisce...?
Trunks, I have what is available online.
May 11th, 2023 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse +1The newspaper reports do not add any information, although I shall mention the demand for clarity when I next update the relevant Paper.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/1982-74-days.pdf
Good...
May 11th, 2023 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It detracts though
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