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Most Britons feel the Falkland Islands should remain with UK, YouGov poll
People in Britain would be more upset to see Gibraltar or the Falkland Islands leave the UK than they would if Northern Ireland did, according to a new YouGov poll published in British media. Read full article
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Jun 02nd, 2023 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -2- Title of the above article says...:
“Most Britons feel the Falkland Islands should remain with UK, YouGov poll”
YouGov poll asked...:
- ”How would you feel if the following happened?...: (The Falkland Islands stopped being a British Overseas Territory and became a part of Argentina?)...:
Upset...............................................: 35%
Pleased...........................................: 9%
It wouldn't bother me either way...: 46%
Don't know......................................: 10%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/06/01/how-would-britons-feel-if-parts-uk-left
Go figure...
Think,
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4A pretty pointless and meaningless poll actually- given that many younger folks in the UK probably not even sure where the Falklands are even.
he war was 40 years ago before they were even born and unlike Argentina that rants on about us at least once a week - in the UK the topic barely appears anywhere as its not an issue- all major political parties in UK have the same clear policy - our free democratic choice as per the UN Charter- to choose our future and so long as we elect to stay British- Britain says 0K - end of - so its NOT a news issue in Britain - most of those voting probably unaware of the historical reality as its not a news issue .
Sorry to disappoint you old mate!
Didn’t ask the relevant question, should the inhabitants get to decide their own future?
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Because this is a given.
Go figure…
You know better than that..., Timlander 1, auld mate...;-)
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Territory occupied by military. The Law of Self-Determination does not apply.
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -6That's what Terence Hill said!
Poor old Taenk - clutching at straws - it's what drowning men do!
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Bras
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Falklands are a self-governing democracy with a constitutional arrangement they have chosen and not ‘occupied’ by anyone.
Amazonas however has never voted to be a part of Brazil and consequently is under Brazilian Military occupation.
It’s called having a ‘democratic mandate’.
Is there no British military there?
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Brasil, are you really that stupid, the small military presence is there to protect the islanders from an aggressive neighbour, a neighbour that has never legally owned the islands.
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +5TWI.MC
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -6https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxiCboSWwAQOHxu.jpg:large
Chuckle..., chuckle...
AD 2019 - and what did the UN ICJ say about the right to self-determination?
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Self-Determination Non-Self-Governing Territories (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/100673806/Self_Determination_Non_Self_Governing_Territories
The poll proves one thing to you Stink, that nothing is taught about the Falklands in school, so no one under the age of 45 knows anything about the islands, unlike your indoctrinated school children.
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3TWIMC...
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -5An Anglo Turnip above kindly informs us that...: “Nothing is taught about the Falklands in school”...
It seems that...: “Nothing is taught about the Brutish Empire in school”...
https://indianexpress.com/article/research/why-history-of-british-empire-is-not-taught-enough-in-uk-schools-8327905/
Go figure...
Nothing is taught about the Falklands in school”...
And the above vegetable of stinking rotten cabbage is a clueless baffoon, the history taught is about the industrial revolution which benefited the whole world. about 1066 when the Normans invaded, about the failiure of the Spanish armada, so yes stink, nothing is taught about the Falklands. zero, zilch, nada, is that clear enough for you troll boy.
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Bras
Jun 02nd, 2023 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The British military are there with the consent of the inhabitants.
They don’t like being invaded by Creole, Conquistador Planters, as you can imagine.
When were the inhabitants of Amazonas asked if they wanted to be occupied? Because they are certainly not being defended from anyone.
Unless you think the Argies are going to invade you as well?
After what happened in Puelmapu, do they teach that in Argie schools, or is it called archaeology instead of history and not mentioned?
I don't see how such a poll is relevant unless it is segmented by age to nuance the Falkland votes. let's face it, Ulster is more trouble than it is worth for most in Great Britain and the Unionists don't seem to be able to agree amongst themselves, let alone with the Catholics.
Jun 04th, 2023 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Most British mainlanders have not been to N./ Ireland so have no association or link with the place but many more mainlanders have actually been to Scotland and or Wales. By contrast. almost NO mainlanders have ever visited the Falklands (altho a few have actually been to Gib on their holidays), so they have no feeling of connection ...and 1982 was a long time ago for anyone under the age of 60.
Bottom line is that this poll is poorly worded and slanted because of the sample of respondents (how many actually answered?).
Mr.RedBaron...
Jun 04th, 2023 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -2You say...:
“ I don't see how such a poll is relevant unless it is segmented by....”
“ This poll is poorly worded and slanted because of the sample of respondents....”
Etc.., etc..., etc...
I say...:
- Instead of trying soooo hard to find systemic errors in this YouGov.UK poll..........
.......... Why don't ya just click on the duly provided - “SEE THE FULL RESULTS HERE” - link..., and find all the answers for all you doubts...?
Huhhhh?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/06/01/how-would-britons-feel-if-parts-uk-left
According to Sr Stink, ‘about 95% of the ~2.000.000 Mapuches currently living in Wallmapu..., are doing so in current Shilean territory...’
Jun 04th, 2023 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So in ‘Shilean territory’, Ngulumapu, the ‘first nation’ people have fared far better than in Argie occupied Puelmapu, where they have been all but wiped out?
I repeat, ‘After what happened in Puelmapu, do they teach that in Argie schools, or is it called archaeology instead of history and not mentioned?’
I can answer the question:
Jun 04th, 2023 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1- ”How would you feel if the following happened?...: (The Falkland Islands stopped being a British Overseas Territory and became a part of Argentina?)...:
Answer: it wouldn't bother me either way: IF THAT IS WHAT THE ISLANDERS WANTED.
This is what we have been saying all along to our Malvinista cretin friends
Most in Britain don't want territory 1000s of miles from home, in fact many don't even want territory quite close to home....what they do want is for the rights and will of the people in those territories to be paramount.
Argentina has no claim on the islands against the will of the islanders, Britain will see the islanders will and rights defended.
Sorry Stink, the poll reflects that “them Engrish” don't want territory, they want the right for the islanders to choose.....
And then there were the “criminals” throwing stones at Carmona's car... They weren't criminals when they were doing it to a bunch of TV presenters, were they? Not everyone in Argentina seems to buy in to Wænk's ideology... Go figure.
Jun 05th, 2023 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So..., Mr. FitzRoy...
Jun 05th, 2023 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse -2Did ya find that “SEE THE FULL RESULTS HERE” duly provided by YouGov.UK...?
Huhhhhhhhh...?
Think
Jun 05th, 2023 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You are a bit thick aren't you? Have you read the full results yourself?
Question:
Do Britons want the Falkland Islands to remain British or become part of Argentina?
Answer:
It's for people there to decide 47%
Should stay a British Overseas Territory 34%
Don't know 10%
Should be part of Argentina 9%
To me this looks spot on.
34% remember 1982 and feel it would be disrespectful to those who lost their lives to “give up the islands”
47% say the islanders get to choose (99.7% choose to be British overseas territory)
10% don't know (probably don't know where the islands are, or their history)
9% support Argentina, in fact support any anti-establishment, anti-British propoganda because they think it makes the “cool”
81% support the status quo Stink. Thanks for the link.
Capsiche
So..., Mr. FitzRoy...
Jun 05th, 2023 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -1As you clearly can read just above...
Even Anglo Brainwashed Turnips are satisfied with this YourGov.UK poll...!
Did ya finally find that “SEE THE FULL RESULTS HERE” duly provided by YouGov.UK...?
Chuckle..., chuckle...
The only turnip around here “Stink” is you and you are too pompous and arrogant to admit it...you questioned the headline:
Jun 05th, 2023 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Most Britons feel the Falkland Islands should remain with UK, YouGov pol”
81% said either :
It's for people there to decide 47% (where 99.7% of people think it should)
Should stay a British Overseas Territory 34%
Ya see what I mean..., Mr. FitzRoy..., Chay...?
Jun 05th, 2023 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Ya don't need to worry about finding systemic errors in YouGov.UK polls...
Ya' just have to read them polls right..., as them true Brainwashed Anglo Turnips do...
Ya' are then guaranteed to bee always on the right and ya' glass to be always 99,7% full...
Simples...
@Redhoyt: You say... Retroctive? Who told me?
Jun 05th, 2023 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I say… Nobody. The treaty for the recognition of Argentine independence by Spain says so.
You say….. No nation exists until it is recognized. Before before any European nation saw us
I say…. The United Kingdom recognized the United Provinces on December 15, 1823 and February 2, 1825. The Malvinas were occupied by Argentina. There were no claims from the UK. The other European nations are irrelevant, it is shown that the United Kingdom actually saw us.
You say: Great Britain asked Argentina for all the information...
I say: Argentina had nothing to claim, it was in possession of the islands, why would it do it?
Capisce….?
Malv
Jun 05th, 2023 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The settlement had permission from the British to be there. This is well documented.
Argentina (UP then) did not occupy the Islands until 1832 and were then ejected by the British three months later. This is also well documented as is the fact that no civilian population was expelled.
The recovery of the Islands in 1833 demonstrates the British maintained their claim, as in 1771 and 1982. The British have never relinquished their claim since 1690, Argentina did in 1850.
British claims are very old, Argentinian claims are very new, this is the history.
The Americans were hip to your dishonest claim, as they told you.
Jun 06th, 2023 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0”As late as 1886 the Secretary of State found it necessary to inform the Argentine Government that as “the resumption of actual occupation of the Falkland Islands by Great Britain in 1833 took place under a claim of title which had been previously asserted and maintained by that Government, it is not seen that the Monroe Doctrine, which has been invoked on the part of the Argentine Republic, has any application to the case. By the terms in which that principle of international conduct was announced, it was expressly excluded from retroactive operation.”
P.60 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig
@Pugol: In the agreement of 1771 the British accepted Spanish sovereignty, shortly after they withdrew, leaving the Spanish in possession of the islands. The islands appear on Spanish maps long before any English map, therefore the English were not the first to discover them or land on the islands. They were not the first to occupy them either.
Jun 06th, 2023 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse -1In 1749, Admiral Anson's expedition was rejected by Spain, asserting its rights.
In 1765 Captain McBride arrived with the islands occupied, there was no public announcement of the establishment of Port Egmont, therefore it was clandestine, there were no protests from the British government about the French presence on the islands. So they can't possibly be British.
Neither in 1771 nor in 1833 did the British control the islands.
Only in the year 1863 did Spain renounce its provinces. It does so retroactively to May 25, 1810. At that time (1810) the islands were occupied by Spain.
Of course, at the time of the recognition of Argentine independence by Spain, the islands were illegally occupied by the United Kingdom after evicting the Argentine population, this does not mean in any way that the territory belonged to the United Kingdom.
If you have a car with all the papers and while you are making the transfer to your son, a thief steals your son's car, does the car become the property of the thief?
Nor did Spain claim a single island, as verified by the documents provided by Redhoyt on his Malvinastimeline. In addition, as you can see, Spain renounces its territories in favor of Argentina just 1,863 not in 1,811.
“The islands were illegally occupied by the United Kingdom after evicting the Argentine population”
Jun 06th, 2023 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Thus, in the Island of Palmas case, decided in 1928, an international tribunal of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest as a mode of acquiring territory ...”
Island of Palmas case (Netherlands v. USA) (1928), RIAA 2 (1949),ß
“...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jennings
” Not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modern prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created ‘prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law.
Akehurst’s Modern Introduction To International Law
Seventh revised edition. Peter Malanczuk
Malv
Jun 07th, 2023 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2We have been through all this a dozen times before, no acceptance of Spanish sovereignty in 1771, the Spanish returned the British settlement unconditionally or else. The agreement is on the Internet.
The Spanish were only ever in possession of, or ever claimed, one Island.
They Islands were on English maps long before they were on Spanish ones, the Spanish only found out they were there from the French, fact.
‘In 1749, Admiral Anson's expedition was rejected by Spain, asserting its rights.’
This is rubbish, Spain had nothing to say on the matter, as if anyone would have listened.
The voyage was from 1740 to 1744 and he came home loaded with Spanish treasure, 1749 was when he first published his journal.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31014283283&searchurl=an%3Danson%26fe%3Don%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dvoyage%2Bround%2Bthe%2Bworld&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title4
You can’t even get the basics right!
In 1765 there were no announcements, there was no need, Britain was the only global power.
Again you offer no evidence ‘it was clandestine’, which is simply not believable, given the situation at the time.
The British did not protest about the French presence, because they did not know about the French presence, when the French realised the British were nearby, they sold their settlement to the Spanish and then refused to back the Spanish when the dispute arose with the British, go figure.
In 1863 the Spanish did not control any part of the Islands, you cannot give to someone else what you do not control, nor what you used to control half a century before.
The Islands have been British since 1690, exactly when did they become Spanish? Never mind Argentinian.
In 1771, 1833 and 1982 the British proved who was in control of the Islands, and are still in control of the Islands today.
@Pugol
Jun 07th, 2023 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse -1Admiral Anson submitted a plan to the British government to prepare an expedition to the Falkland/Malvinas islands (and also to the non-existent “Peppys” islands!). The plan was discovered by the Spanish Ambassador in London at the time, Ricardo Wall, who immediately protested. Spain described in detail both the islands and Spanish sovereignty over them, stating that there was no reason for Great Britain to make an expedition to the islands. The Spanish note explained that:
if the purpose of the trip was to establish settlements in the islands, that would be construed as a hostile act towards Spain, but if the purpose was to satisfy their curiosity, as much news as they wanted could be provided, without the need to incur such expenses merely out of curiosity.
The British Ambassador in Madrid, Benjamin Keen, had to explain that the purpose of the trip was merely the discovery of new territories and not to establish any settlement therein. Following the orders given by the Duke of Bedford, who at the time was in the British Secretariat of State for the Southern Department, he stated that:
As establishing a colony in either of the two islands is not the intention and Her Majesty’s corvettes will not go ashore, they will not even get close to the Spanish coast, the King cannot understand that this plan can provoke resentment on Madrid’s part.
Kohen - Rodriguez.
Malvinense
Jun 08th, 2023 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands were not occupied by Argentina in 1823 or 1825 as you well know. You keep spinning round in circles
Argentina claimed the islands, nobody recognised the claim. In recognising the United Provinces, nobody also included uninhabited islands 1000 miles away that even then had disputed sovereignty. The islands were no more Argentinas in the 1820s as they were Spains or Britain or Uruguay. Just claims....even at the time Argentina felt the islands were less theirs than you appear to now, which is just ludicrous.
Malv
Jun 09th, 2023 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish protest was about a British plan to (possibly) establish a settlement on an Island off the coast of Chile, in the Pacific, no mention of the Malvinas or Anson’s intention to stop there.
In 1740 the Spanish didn’t even know the Islands existed.
A full account of this is given in one of the Pascoe and Pepper papers and probably in your friend Roger’s Falkalndsislandstimeline.
You are talking rubbish again, a complete distortion and misrepresentation of the facts.
In 1740 the British did not have to worry about how the Spanish felt or what they thought about anything.
As was demonstrated some years later in the seven years war, a defeat for France and a disaster for the Spanish at the hands of the British. This is not a patriotic statement but the historical situation at the time.
Like the British ‘secretly establishing a settlement in the Malvinas in 1765, for fear of the Spanish’. Two years after the end of the Seven years war, at a time when nobody ‘feared the Spanish’.
Hence in 1770 when the Spanish seized the British settlement and the British threatened war, when the French didn’t back the Spanish, they had to give it back, the British didn’t even have to go to war they only had to threaten it.
The historical significance of 1771 was that it marked the end of Spain as any kind of independent power on the world stage, as the treaty of Utrecht 1713 (and the surrender of the sovereignty of Gibraltar to the British) ended Spain as any kind of independent power in Europe.
They were entirely subordinate to the French.
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