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Argentine Foreign Minister heads numerous delegation to the C 24 debate

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Argentine Foreign Minister Santiago Cafiero is heading the delegation to the United Nations to participate at the Special Committee on Decolonization or C24, which will address the Argentine dispute with UK over the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands and is hopeful of a resolution calling on both sides, Argentina and UK, to begin sovereignty negotiations over what is identified as the Malvinas Islands question. Read full article

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  • Dirk Dikkler

    For Argentina it`s a question for the Falklands they already have the answer!!

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse +9
  • Steve Potts

    The role of the UN C24 is to assist territories with de-colonisation issues not to hear about Argentina's sovereignty aspirations.

    Argentina’s Misuse of the UN C24 Committee(1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/42908924/Argentinas_Misuse_of_the_UN_C24_Committee

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse +9
  • Roger Lorton

    And the Argie Sisypus pushes the rock up the hill - again.

    When he gets to the top, the Decolonization Committee (C24) will nod sagely and adopt a resolution by consensus (no vote). As it did last year. And every year since 1989. And, as every year (most likely) when the Committee submits its report to the Fourth Committee for its resolutions to be adopted by the UN General Assembly, the list of recommended resolutions will have one missing.

    And the rock will roll down again until next year.

    A farce. A pantomime. A waste of everyone's time and the UN's money.

    Here is last year's C24 report (recommendations start on page 41)

    https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/report-of-the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-to-colonial-countries-and-peoples-for-2022.pdf

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Juan Cervantes

    Another jolly holiday for crackpot politicians at the expense of Argie tax payers. it will achieve nothing,

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Falklands-Free

    It is so pathetic that Argentina strongly opposes colonisation, yet what they are in effect trying yo do is colonise us. That is in contradiction to the UN and the C24 purposes and should be pointed out by those committees of this fact.
    Argentina is for all intentions and purpose a lost cause. They have virtually bank rupt their country. Created huge poverty of 50% of it's people. Clings to a myth and has to be bailed out by the IMF. Not exactly the ideal place we Falkland islanders want to endorse .
    Argentina has to start acting more maturely because right now the Islanders are a thousand times more mature than Argentina is.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Johnny Colman

    Totally in agreement with Falkland Free and I added…it would be better if the Argentine administration transferred it to the United Kingdom for 100 years as it did with Hong Kong…the only way to say that the Falkland are annexed to the continent, in the past there was a British presence for about 2 centuries and things were going well in that country, then Perón arrived and we already know how it was for everyone..

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Bud Spencer

    When you decolonise a country you give it to the people who live there, not transfer it to another country, its not rocket science, but to the Peronists it must be,

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Liberato

    Steve Potts, you are wrong. The role of the c24 is to examine the application of the resolution 1514, which proclaims the necessity of bringing to a
    speedy and unconditional end colonialism in all its forms
    and manifestations.

    Roger Lorton, the question of Malvina's colonial situation is permanently added in the General Assembly provisional agenda for Britain or Argentina to pick that topic out. It is the oportunity for Britain for denounce the listing of Malvinas as a colony of Britain.

    Falklands-Free, So, a currently “citizen” of a territory considered by the United Nations a colony of Britain, accuses Argentina of a “would be” colonialist?. And that it “would be” in contradiction of the UN and c24 purposes while they are already in a colonial situation?.

    If you live in the islands, you are already living in a territory under a colonial situation (according to the UN). Not a “would be”. And thats has absolutely nothing to do with our economic, social or cultural situation. That comparison is pathetic.

    The more mature thing to do for Britain is to end the status quo and end the sovereignty dispute, or at least convince the UN that Malvinas are not a colony. And not refusing as a child with the “we have no doubts about british sovereignty...” and bla bla bla.

    Johnny Colman, with Negotiations, everything is possible.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Juan Cervantes

    Here we go again with Libbys diatribe about the C24 no marks,. Libby aka Taenk, aka 1833, just what is there to negotiate, ?

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Steve Potts

    Liberato

    The Committee has no remit to deal with sovereignty claims.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Falklands-Free

    Liberator. For your information we are not a colony , we are a British overseas territory of our choosing who wish to remain British. What part if that request does the C24 not understand or even you for that matter. Britain will always maintain personal here so long as Argentina threatens the islanders.
    You also fail to understand there is nothing to negotiate. We chose to remain British in 2013 which you refuse to recognise, so what is the point suggesting negotiations will solve your desires. You will be told exactly what I am telling you. Our islands are not up for negotiation end of.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Liberato

    Bud Spencer quote:“When you decolonise a country you give it to the people who live there”. And what people lives there? the british people that took the land from Argentina and at the same time prevented any argentine citizens to reside there?. The hundreds of argentines descendands of the people who lived there prior to the british invasion?.
    Or perhaps to these gentelments that were born in Britain?:
    Director of Health and Social Services Thomas (Tom) Bale from the British Forces South Atlantic Islands
    The Royal Falkland Islands Police, Jeff McMahon
    Fire chief Gardner Fiddes CMgr FCMI
    Director of Emergency Services, Andy Bell
    Falklands Chief Justice James Lewis
    Governor of the Falkland Islands, Nigel Phillips
    Falkland Islands Senior Magistrate Sarah Whitby
    Director of Emergency Services and Island Security and Principal Immigration Officer Ms PamelaTrevillion
    Director of Education Marie Horton

    you can correct me if some names changed position, but i will bet, the new name was born in exactly the same isle in the north hemisphere.

    Falklands-Free, quote:“For your information we are not a colony”. Thank you but my information is taken in the UN webpage where it is described the legal status of Malvinas and there is nowhere there that describes any British overseas territory status.
    https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/en/nsgt/falkland-islands-malvinas
    Argentina does not threatens the islanders in any way possible. Please describe those theats.
    Fail to convince the United Nations that you are not a colony and you wants to convince me?.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Juan Cervantes

    Libby Troll, for the 150th time, stop lying, repeating the same lies over and over again, you are a liar, Argentina never owned the islands, no Argentine settlement, and no Argentine civilians evicted. everything you have ever posted has been debunked over and over again,
    You are a liar. and no amount of lying will change anything you pathetic lying troll. get a life because you bore people to death, just like you do under your other fake name, Liar,

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Liberato

    Juan Cervantes
    Yes, there was an argentine settlement in Puerto Soledad with an argentine governor. Previously, there was a spanish settlement in that same place that named several governors and previosly, there was a french settlement called Port Saint Louis, who were the first to stablsh there.
    The only british prescence was in Trinidad Island for a few years in 1765, one year after the french settled them and claimed them and were abandoned in 1774 and prevented to come back until 1833 (59 years later) when they invaded and set foot for the first time in one of the main islands.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Juan Cervantes

    You are a pathological liar, Libby, a troll and a Parrot.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Roger Lorton

    The Decolonization Committee is a pantomime - same old actors, same old script, same old jokes, same old outcome (only Prince Charming does not get the girl).

    A Falklands resolution will be adopted by the Committee in the full knowledge that they will then NOT recommend it for adoption by the General Assembly. And so it dies.

    Back again next year......... Sisyphus

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Falklands-Free

    Liberato, what a lot of nonsense you talk.
    The reality is you won't accept that we are not a colony. We were offered to make a choice, we made it we chose to remain British. So nothing to do with implantation as you keep harping on about. It is also timely to remind you that Argentina colonised most of the land they call Argentina today. Are you suggesting that Spain did not colonised parts of south America.
    Remember it works both ways.
    The reason the C24 have not changed the position of the islands from colonialism, to that of self determination is because your corrupt country won't accept those facts and bleat to the committee to listen only to you.
    That will change sooner rather than later and then real progress for the islanders will start to happen. The C24 need to be made aware of the fact your country is nothing more than a bully.
    That too will one day change because you can only bully for a period of time before even the thickest will start to realise the situation..

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Bud Spencer

    Why does Liberato constantly keep posting comments that has been put to bed time and time again, he knows the British already had a claim, he knows that the UP sent military to take the islands by force, he knows it was a multi national business venture led by a German and a Brit, he knows Vernet asked the British government for permission to go there, he knows the Brits paid Vernet compensation, he knows people on the islands chose to stay and very few left, he knows the UP military were murderers and rapists, and he still continues with this nonsense, JC is correct its called being a troll.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Liberato

    Roger Lorton, it is you who love the status quo. Eat it proudly.

    Falklands-Free, “The reality is you won't accept that we are not a colony”. Its not me, its the UN that is keeping Malvinas in the colony list.

    “We were offered to make a choice”. By whom? The UN?. I dont think so. They did not sent one visitng mission in the whole history of the UN. And they have visited many british colonies.

    “The reason the C24 have not changed the position of the islands from colonialism, to that of self determination is because your corrupt country won't accept those facts”. And what about the other nine territories under british colonialism in the UN colony list, that are not claimed by Argentina?.

    It is not about the c24 only. All resolutions in all bodies of the UN recognize the dispute and the colonial situation.

    Bud Spencer, Vernet has never asked for permission from the british. Thats british propaganda. Vernet legalised an argentine order emited by the argentine government to vernet. The british by the time of vernet were absent for like 60 years without a claim of any kind and also legalized an argentine order to grant land to vernet in Malvinas ocuppied only by Argentina.

    Did you tried, at least, to search for that “british permission”?.

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Juan Cervantes

    Lets cut to the chase shall we troll, collect up all your so called evidence. jump on a plane and present it to the ICJ, the Islanders will present their case and we will see were the chips fall, other than that stop your whining and crying, it is boring parroting the same nonsense, better still get a life,

    Jun 20th, 2023 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Roger Lorton

    The last UN Falklands Resolution was in 1988. It would appear that the UN no longer cares.

    Here is the official UN research site - please feel free to check

    https://research.un.org/en/docs/ga/quick/regular/77

    Jun 21st, 2023 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Chicureo

    Really foolish dreams of my Argentine neighbors.

    On personal note, Madame and I are leaving tomorrow for our gypsy encampment at Valle Nevado.
    Although we may be premature, snow fever has us thinking the Andean storm is eminent.

    ¡Saludos de Chile!

    Jun 21st, 2023 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Islander1

    Liberato,
    Lets deal with True Facts from 1833.
    The Argentine Militia and and their women were indeed ordered to leave the Islands by the British Navy Commander.

    None- Not One opf the Civilians there were ordered to leave. Indeed All were invited to stay and accept British Rule and Bitish Law and carry on with their activities.

    All voluntarily agreed to do so apart from 4- a couple for Brazill and a couple from Uruguay, all 4 who left of their own free choice.

    The names of who left and who stayed are their in YOUR own Argentine Naval Archives - and also in the Royal Navy Archives in England.

    The oldest of those who voluntarily remained lived on until 1865 and you will find her grave in Stanley Cemetery.

    Simple well recorded historical Facts.

    Jun 21st, 2023 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Falklands-Free

    Liberato, stop kidding yourself, if Argentina was not pursuing this illegal claim the C24 would not even be entertaining it. The islanders and Britain would not need to attend because there would be no one contesting our sovereignty.
    Argentina has made it abundantly clear to the UN and the C24 that they want Britain to discuss sovereignty. How many times does one have to tell you. Sovereignty is not up for negotiation. Our islands are not actually a colony. You know that but keep insisting that it is because the C24 say so. What part of decolonisation does the C 24 not understand either because in 2013 we the islanders made it abundantly clear that we wish to remain a part of the British overseas territory. Only Argentina refuses to accept that because it fears by doing so it loses its chance to continue making a claim to colonise us because that is exactly what you would be doing because Argentina has never owned these islands. Argentina attempted to install a government but was stopped by Britain and rightly so. In fact your stolen Country is much younger than ours. Argentina at that time in name did not exist and you know it.

    Jun 21st, 2023 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Roger Lorton

    Until such time as the C24 recommends one of its Falklands resolutions for adoption by the General Assembly, the C24 is as irrelevant as Argentina.

    The matter was settled. There is no real dispute. If there were, Argentina would lobby to have the question put to the ICJ


    Libby - can you show me the Buenos Aires Gazette entry of 1829 officially appointing Luis Vernet as 'Governor' of the Falkland Islands?

    Small clue - it IS a trick question

    Jun 21st, 2023 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Liberato

    Islander1, lets deal!!!. Of course you want to start from 1833, becouse prior to that year from 1774 there was not a single british government prescence nor protest, nor claim of any kind. And prior to 1774, the british made a hidden settlement on Trinidad Island and claimed sovereignty to a territory already claimed and settled.
    60 years of continual spanish and later argentine administrations of the whole area and not a single protest, including the orders to grant lands to vernet emited by the argentine government being legalized by the british coucil without any aclaration that it should be britain the only “legal” power in that area, dont you think?.
    After like 32 spanish governors and like 4 argentine governors, the first british government in govern the islands was after the invasion of 1833.
    Now, lets talk about what you “wanted” to talk and not what we were talking about that i had no asnwear on your part. The orders of Onslow was to go to Port Egmont (its ruins), for
    the purpose of exercising the “rights of sovereignty” there. Not to go to Puerto Soledad and take them. And even having done so, how many inhabitants had the islands before the invasion and how many inhabitants was left after the invasion?.
    Nobody was invited to stay, and even if so, it would still be a colonization to make a forcibly change of government and flag,to then ask them to stay.
    If we count the descendants of Malvina Vernet that was born there before any british invasion, they are at least a family of 200 members whose origins goes back well beyond any british born in there, including you. Only taking Malvina Vernet succesors.
    Those argentines who had to come back to continental Argentina were not alowed to return.
    And those who wanted to reside there, were and are refused to live there.

    Historical facts. Before 1833 only trash was left of Port Egmont or any british gov prescence in the islands. It was an invasion and a colonial situation where a territory was excluded to us.

    Jun 21st, 2023 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Falklands-Free

    Liberato. Give it a rest. If you must talk such rubbish do also include the removal of tens of thousands of indigenous people from the land you today occupy.
    History has nothing to do with your desires because the fact is you don't recognise the truth about the history. You, like so many others are just purely land grabbers nothing more. Waste of space to human society. Worthless dribble you spout to keep conversations going.
    Let's talk about the here and now of the world. Argentina is not about to return any land it stole many years ago and likewise the current people living on these islands who incidently include Argentine ancestors are telling you to get lost. It is now our hone and is staying that way no matter how long you whinge otherwise.
    It is the same the world over. Someone somewhere is trying to take someone else's land.
    It is how the corrupt human race works.
    Well it stops right here in the 21st century.
    Our islands are not up for debate ever.
    Get over it. You are a lone crusader that most are laughing at. You are for all intents and purposes an indoctrinated one to the point you no longer even want to know the truth.
    We are not trying to fool you, you are doing that all by your self.

    Jun 22nd, 2023 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Liberato

    Falklands-Free et all, i dont know if laughing at you, or worry about you. “it stops right here in the 21st century”?????. Oh really?. I dont think Britain started peacefully this new century. Perhaps its time that British Petroleum ceded their oil shares in Iraq that was “earned” during the “liberation” of the iraquians and return them to Iraq's people.

    I got over it. In fact, im educating you becouse if you only believe in the propaganda you are fed with, you will believe in “axis of evil” and all those fascist phrases you are used to. Shock and Awe!!!! Eventually, you will end up hating muslims and supporting invasions for “freedoms” or “democracy” that ended up being a “mistake” while some corporations benefited from millons of dead in the foreign. Oh but dont you worry, it may not affect you. The others are the bad guys. We Argentines are the bad guys. We use our dark influences and convinced the United Nations to keep Malvinas and other nine “british territories” under a colony list.

    Let me know if you have something to share that invalidate the historic events i mentioned with proof.
    Did the british in any time prior to 1833 controlled or administered the islands alone in any way?
    Did the British Consul Charles Griffiths certificated the argentine decree of January 5th, 1828?.
    How many inhabitants had the islands before the invasion of 1833 and how many inhabitants was left after the invasion?.

    You said that, and i quote:“The reason the C24 have not changed the position of the islands from colonialism, to that of self determination is because your corrupt country won't accept those facts”
    What about the other nine territories under british colonialism in the UN colony list, that are not claimed by Argentina and have no sovereignty disputes at all?.

    If i talk rubish, the intelligent thing to do is to prove me wrong. Not calling me indoctrinated, a “lone cruzader”, etc. Even if you laugh, you lack any respect for your history and education and yourself.

    Jun 22nd, 2023 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • imoyaro

    Perhaps it's time Argentine “National Socialism” finally took a “bite of the curb,” eh?

    Jun 22nd, 2023 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Libby, Spain only claimed ONE island in 1811 - Soledad.

    https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/88740.pdf

    In 1863, Spain saluted the British flag at Stanley.

    Argentina, was never in the game.

    Jun 22nd, 2023 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Falklands-Free

    Liberato.
    I don't care how many other places are deemed to be colonised. The list is much longer than the nine you suggest. All of South America was at some point colonised but you won't ever admit to that because your education dont allow it.
    What is very, very different in all these cases is the Falkland Islands that is not disputed as a colony but is disputed because a rogue Country itself a former colony of Spain is trying to claim them on a whole range of false beliefs.
    I don't care how you dress it up in whatever shape or form, the fact is the whole South Atlantic region is going through what it is, because of a rogue country that lives in the past. That country is Argentina who believes they have every god given right to a country that had never belonged to them even by association.
    YOU decided to break away from Spain and in doing so YOU chose to go it alone. Spain gave you nothing more than your independence.
    That was their first huge mistake. The second huge mistake was to allow YOUR Country to start a vicious campaign against an indigenous people. South America has been unstable ever since. Greed has been foremost on the mind of Argentina even to the point of destroying their own economy in the process. The real reason we have this stalemate is not Britain refusing to talk to a country that only wants one outcome, but the rest if the world that has invested so much of their money in bailing YOUR Country out of debt . They need the backing if others to protect their investment and give lip service to places like the C24 so that they can keep Argentina sweet. They fear China may one day become a powerful influence in Argentina and they worry more about them than YOU.
    So regardless of the rubbish you talk and the denial you have. The Falklands is not your real issue, it is your long running corrupt leaders that are destroying Argentina bit by bit and the sovereignty is a diversion and always has Been.

    Jun 22nd, 2023 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Lordton
    False. Spain relinquished its territories in 1863 when it recognized Argentine independence. Not in 1811.
    You continue with the same nonsense about Spain claiming a single island. Repeating it over and over again does not make it true.
    The proof is in the documents you provided.
    https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/88740.pdf
    The abandonment instructions clearly state that a ship must be sent annually to all ports to verify that no other power is established there.
    Capisce....?

    Jun 22nd, 2023 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Liberato

    Malvinense, there are two Lorton theories that goes beyond even from the british perspective. And its not worth it to discuss theories that are not even suggested nor intrigued by the british side of view.
    One is when he explain that the british fishermens acted as government officials in the islands. And did so, even when the islands had actual real governors and administrations that controled the whole place and were not british. And what is more absurd, is that there was not only british fishermens fishing in the islands but north american also. So while the spanish were governing the islands for all those decades, alone, from 1774 to 1811, the british and northamericans fishermens “also” administered them?.
    The other of his theorie is that regardless of how many spanish royal deeds, decrees, etc, administering the whole territory and claming the whole area, he said that Spain claimed one island in 1811 as if the spanish somehow reserved the “british” right to the Isla Gran Malvina? or as if the spanish landed in Malvinas in 1811. We have already discussed it and it seems he is still dubios of my answear, even when i used his own webpage to prove him wrong. Its not worth it to discuss the same thing for hours again But i got the link to the discussion:
    https://en.mercopress.com/2021/12/14/provincial-lawmaker-apologizes-to-malvinas-veterans-for-taking-the-oath-of-office-with-union-jack-colors/comments

    Falklands-Free, quote:“What is very, very different in all these cases is the Falkland Islands that is not disputed as a colony but is disputed because a rogue Country itself a former colony of Spain is trying to claim them on a whole range of false beliefs.”

    They are discussed as a colony, becouse they are, in fact, listed as a colony and is under the process of decolonization. The problem you british (in general) have, is that you only consider there is only one form of colonialism, where an administering power subjugate another people. Just google it.

    Jun 23rd, 2023 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Falklands-Free

    Malvenas 1833.
    By your own admission you agree that a ship would visit each owned territory to ensure no one is established there. Britain did just that and in doing so found a bunch of Argentine then known as Spanish as they had not yet become Argentina was established at Port Louis and was asked to leave.
    That was the right and correct thing to do. Just as you do even today.
    Those arguments have been answered and debunked hundreds of times. Do try to keep up.

    Liberato , you also need to keep up. On the subject of decolonisation please do tell me exactly what it is that you see as decolonisation. Is it letting the people decide their own future, or do you think someone else should decide that for them. From where I am standing it is crystal clear that Britain has long ago agreed to decolonisation by asking the people of the islands what they really wanted. We gave that answer with a 99.8% reply to say we wished to remain a British Overseas Territory.
    Now what part of that request do you not agree with, because if you don't allow the people of their territory either become independent or wish to be very happy as a subject not a colony what is it that you really want. I know what it is . It is to take possession and colonise the place with your people. Now I wonder just why the C24 have never taken that point on board. Could it be that they too don't really care about decolonisation but care about the nice fat comfortable job they have and don't want to loose it. Because if the islanders are granted their wish then it is very likely every other colony on that list would make the very same request and it would mean the closure of the C24 as they would no longer have anything to do.
    Do your homework.
    All Argentina wants is in fact sovereignty nothing less and because we have not chosen to become independent you are unable to conquer us.
    This is one occasion where Argentina is not getting its ruthless way.
    You can claim all you like but . You won't win.

    Jun 23rd, 2023 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Liberato
    I get what you're saying, Lorton borrows a lot from his favorite authors Pepper and Pascoe.
    At least British diplomacy has the intelligence not to argue because of the number of holes in its arguments.
    I'm just trying to make others see how hilarious Lordton's argument and fanaticism
    In addition to everything that you have explained very well, it is incredible that he presents documents that demonstrate the Spanish occupation of the islands, with the signature of its last governor, and without the slightest British presence or any claim.

    @ Falklands-Free
    False.
    The islands were occupied by Spain and they never sent a ship.
    In 1774 they occupied Trinidad/Saunders islet, they never occupied any of the main islands.
    In 1833 Captain Onslow exceeded the instructions given.
    He went to Puerto Soledad where the English had never been to evict the Argentine population.
    In 1823 and 1825 your country had already recognized as Argentine the group that you mention as Spanish.
    Regards.

    Jun 23rd, 2023 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Falklands-Free

    Malvenesse 1833.
    Yet you fail to acknowledge that people today live and have lived permanently on these islands for 190 years. I have to disagree with your analyses. Argentina tried to establish a colony, note the word colony, that you so oppose. They then put military personal there to enforce that illegal act. You were found out and ordered to leave. Interestingly Argentina never challenged that removal, nor did they send a task force to enforce their position. You want to know why. Because Argrntina knew they did not hen and still do not have a case. Proof of that is in the fact they even today refuse to go to the international court of justice to have their case heard. Do you know why that is. It is because they actually don't have a case.
    Instead they now educate their people by indoctrination to make them believe that the islands belonged to them in the hope if they repeat it long enough they will eventually win.
    Only problem with that is the fact the islanders are very aware of what your game plan is and challenge you every step of the way.
    Now to add to that is the advent of the internet. Now more and more Argentines have learned the truth about their corrupt governments intentions and they are not happy. They suffer from poverty and economic chaos while being fed a load of propaganda about their beloved islands.
    Your position is getting weaker and weaker and soon there will be no more mythical cause but one of desperation to survive.
    1982 saw your dictator overthrown by Britains help. You have failed to grab that opportunity to progress, instead you go and elect another corrupt lot because they tell you one day the islands will be yours. Such a lot of political rubbish while those corrupt leaders steal you all blind.

    Jun 23rd, 2023 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • King Penguin

    Liberato, With all former British colonies, it was up to the people who lived there if they wanted independence. A referendum on independence and free and fair democratic elections followed. No matter how many times Argentina claims it is the British they have to negotiate with, the reality is it is the people who live there and call it there home and have their own government that you must have an honest discussion with and stop ignoring their wishes and pretending they are not relevant.

    Jun 28th, 2023 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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