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“Fears over the Falklands mean we need a new Defense Plan”

Thursday, July 6th 2023 - 11:18 UTC
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By Robert Fox, Defense Correspondent, Evening Standard – The (British) Army is again in the spotlight, with a wonderful Whitehall row about who is to lead it after the charismatic General Sir Patrick Sanders steps down next year as Chief of the General Staff. With the Government's rehashed Defense Command White Paper due before Parliament goes on holiday in a few weeks’ time, rumors are rife of more cuts in Britain’s military capability. Read full article

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  • Steve Potts

    About time Narnia accepted reality.

    Jul 06th, 2023 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    The problem of UK military spending on the Falkland Islands is easily solved by returning them to the country to which they belong.

    Jul 06th, 2023 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Juan Cervantes

    Malvi,
    1 the cost of defending the islands is miniscule and has no impact on the military budget, quite the opposite as it give the miliary a place to practice without disturbance to any civilian population,
    2 it has been returned to the country it belonged to in 1982 when your evil military Junta was kicked out,

    Jul 06th, 2023 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Livepeanuts

    It is not only Narnia, no planes.. no ships in Narnia! Problem is Narnia has agreements with China a military base in Newquen a naval base in Tierra del Fuego
    There are much bigger fish swimming around down there now and they want to be nice to Narnia, monstruously big fish! We definitively need to give it all a second look

    Jul 06th, 2023 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeee...

    - Them Brainwashed Anglo Turnips are certainly “Bloody Well Informed”...
    Not only do they know 'bout them Chink's Airfarce Hypersonic Missile Base in NUKE'EM...
    They also know 'bout them Chink's Navy Submarine base in Tierra del FIREEE... !

    - Wonder if they also know that them Frogs are selling to them Chinks their Kerguelen Archipelago in the Southern Indian Ocean..., just a short missile throw away from the Malvinas...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFnCXsoex8&pp=ygUWS2VyZ3VlbGVuIGZyYW5jZSBjaGluYQ%3D%3D

    - Them Brainwashed Anglo Turnips definitively need to give it all a second look...
    Chuckle..., chuckle...
    Capisce...?

    Jul 06th, 2023 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Juan Cervantes
    Return the islands to the country to which they belong.
    Its Royal Navy has the distant islands of the North Atlantic where they can carry out their military practices and exercises.
    The evil Military Junta no longer exists, start a constructive dialogue with a democratic country.
    @Livepeanuts
    It is true, in Narnia there are no planes, ships or soldiers, but you discovered the Chinese submarine base on Fire Island and the Yankee satellite tracking base and also aircraft movement at the Mount Pleasant base.
    I want the British to retire to their North Atlantic islands and the Chinese to retire east and leave us here in Narnia in the South Atlantic undisturbed.

    Jul 07th, 2023 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    ”First, we need to recover the islands from history“

    .“We need to leave them in peace. It’s one thing to yearn for a lost cause, and another to pine after it in the most imbecilic way imaginable: by painting statements on a bus,” Benegas argued.
    http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/01/05/falklands-propaganda-takes-a-seat-on-argentinas-public-transport/

    Regarding the right of self-determination and the Falkland Islands here it is in simple terms: in 1946 the UN agreed to place the Falkland Islands on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories. The UN states that the inhabitants of all Non-Self-Governing Territories have a right to self-determination. The Falklands are on the list, so they enjoy the right to self-determination.

    Jul 07th, 2023 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    TWIMC...

    - Regarding the right of self-determination and the Falkland Islands here it is..., in simple terms...:
    - In 1946 the UN placed the Falkland Islands on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories... (Correct...)
    - The UN states that the inhabitants of all Non-Self-Governing Territories have a right to self-determination... (Also correct...)
    - The Falklands/Malvinas are on the list..., so they enjoy the right to self-determination (Correct......, in principle...)

    Aaaaaaaaaand...:

    - The UN General Assembly’s subsidiary organ..., the Special Committee on Decolonization (C-24)..., that has been considering the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) since 1964..., defined the Colonial Situation of the Falkland/Malvinas Islands as “SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR” due to...:
    A) The Sovereignty Dispute over the Islands between Argentina and the UK...
    - and...:
    B) The Settler origin of the population and the lack of any indigenous population...

    That's why..., the “SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION OF THE FALKLANDS/MALVINAS ISLANDS” is mentioned not less than SIX (6) TIMES in the latest U.N. document 'bout them windblown Islands...
    https://press.un.org/en/2023/gacol3371.doc.htm

    Capisce...?

    Jul 07th, 2023 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Self-Determination Defined

    UN Charter

    2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples,
    55. With a view to the creation ..and self-determination of peoples,
    56. All Members pledge themselves ...for the achievement of the purposes set forth in Article 55.
    73. Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained .. self-government recognize the principle ..b. to develop self-government, ...“
    103. In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.

    Note, UN resolutions cannot negate UN Charter articles 73, and 103. Nor can recommendations from a UN sub, sub committee either.

    Jul 08th, 2023 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Monkeymagic

    Think

    You are such a muppet.

    The C24 do not get to over write the UN charter, and have no mandate whatsoever to even comment on sovereignty disputes. That is why none of their recommendations concerning sovereignty are adopted by the General Assembly.

    Indeed as you well know the addition of “where no sovereignty dispute exists” was removed by the General Assembly as a condition for self determination which the C24 tried to impose.

    Malvinense

    Happy to start negotiating.

    1) Please pay $10bn USD recompense for the 1982 invasion and continued bullying and lying about the islanders
    2) Please return Argentina to its October 1832 borders (withdraw completely from Patagonia) and pay the indigenous population $10bn USD in recompense to build a new homeland in South America
    3) Make the teaching of the true Falkland history mandatory in Argentine schools as a doctrine showing how lying Peronist governments have used it to fool gullible imbeciles for generations.

    Not the “negotiations” you wanted...oh well.

    Jul 08th, 2023 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeeee....

    - The two great experts on UN Jurisprudence above..., have just given Independence to the Orkneys... the Shetlands..., the City of London and some 35,000 other small places all over the world which population fancies to define itself as a “People” and fancy to take a sure vote for FREEEEDOM...
    (I personally would vote for the “Love Republic of Notting Hill”..., with Julia Roberts & Hugh Grant as lifelong PM couple... :-)))))))))))

    What a couple of Turnips...!!!

    Jul 08th, 2023 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Monkeymagic

    The Orkney and Shetland Islands can have independence. They clearly do not form territorial integrity and would neither form and enclave or exclave (which of course in the absurd city of London example would).

    So, the best way for the Orkney or Shetland Islanders to gain independence or indeed join Norway is to prove that it is the unequivocal and sustained will of the people who live there.

    Maybe a referendum where either 70% plus has to vote for a change, or 50% plus on two consecutive occasions over 5-10 years.

    Or perhaps 99%+ for 180 years!

    What a moron you are Think.

    Jul 09th, 2023 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    At the end of the day, my presented facts always show how bereft your opinions are.

    Jul 09th, 2023 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @Monkeymagic
    1-Reward? I don't know if you are right. In any case, to discuss these questions, negotiations must be established, which your country has denied since 1833.
    2- It is not necessary to return the borders to 1,832, read the link provided by The Think where you will be able to know some of the towns founded throughout Patagonia, one of them is Port Soledad in the Malvinas Islands.
    As for the natives, they do not need to found a new homeland, they have been in their homeland since 1810 perfectly integrated, they are Argentines and in case you don't know, many of them fought in the Malvinas.
    3- Explain in your schools about the Argentine claim, take your students to Port Soledad, explain about the British clandestine settlement on a small islet when the islands were occupied.
    Explain the ceding of the islands from the French Crown to the Spanish Crown.
    Explain the absence of claims by the British crown.
    Explain the solitary presence of Spain without British claims, without “a Captain Onslow” to evict the population.
    Regards.

    Jul 11th, 2023 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juan Cervantes

    Malvi, every claim you have made has been debunked over and over again by various posters, all you are doing is repeating the same old nonsense,
    if you really believe you have case then you know what you have to do, (the ICJ awaits you)
    the natives have been integrated have they ? you mean they were CONQUERED,
    Every single Islander knows about your claims and always have done, i bet not one single Argentine Child knows about the British claim that you constantly deny and twist,

    the Falklands are here to stay, end of story, move on with your life, surely you have more important things that concern you, dont turn in to another version of the man baby troll who has wasted 15 years of his life,

    Jul 11th, 2023 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Hey Juan, you are not obliged to answer me if you don't want to.
    As for the ICJ, I do not have the power to do so, perhaps that moment will come in the future.
    Many insist with the natives, perhaps the British arguments are over and they resort to this.
    Or maybe they want to say that the Falkland Islands were CONQUERED by the British which would imply RECOGNIZING THAT THEY WERE NEVER BRITISH.
    I don't know if you live in the Malvinas or in the distant islands of the North Atlantic. In my free time, I would have no problem sharing a good game of rugby or football with you or the other islanders, here on the continent the doors are open.

    Jul 11th, 2023 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Ché Malvinense...

    You say ( To the “Juan Cervantes” guy...:
    - “I don't know if you live in the Malvinas or in the distant islands of the North Atlantic...”

    I say...:
    - He definitively lives in them distant Brutish Islands of the North Atlantic...
    - More precisely in a low quality..., Racial Stereotyping Engrish Sitcom from the Seventies...:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiuRg8MoaUE&pp=ygUOSnVhbiBjZXJ2YSB0ZXM%3D

    Capisce...?

    Jul 11th, 2023 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juan Cervantes

    Troll, alert, man baby spewing drivel again, go change your nappy, then pass puberty and go get a life, you bore eveyone to death,

    Jul 11th, 2023 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “The Falkland Islands were CONQUERED by the British which would imply RECOGNIZING THAT THEY WERE NEVER BRITISH.”

    Not at all, it simply reconfirms, they always were theirs.

    “...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
    The Acquisition of Territory in International Law by Robert Yewdall Jennings a Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994.

    The jurist Rosalyn Higgins President of ICJ arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: ”No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But, what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentina’s acquiescence.“ 1
    1. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.

    Jul 11th, 2023 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    I was unaware of our debate partner's fame, he definitely lives in the faraway islands of the North Atlantic.
    hahahaha thanks TheThink.

    @Juan Cervantes, the site would not be the same without the participation of The Think, if we remove the differences that exist in relation to the islands, I think they could be friends.
    Remember the Borges poem Juan Lopez and John Ward?

    Jul 13th, 2023 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juan Cervantes

    Malvi, relations were improving with your previous government, then you elected the wacko Peronists who have wrecked your country, it is they who withdrew from deals agreed, one of which allows relatives to visit the Argentine war graves, the islanders could stop them from visiting but they dont because they are not petty, when your submarine went missing the RN helped to look for it because it was the right thing to do, can you not see the Peronists use their nationalistic BS to deflect from the disaster that is their running of the country, they no full well they will not get the islands and will never to to the ICJ, at least twice it was offered to them.
    as far as Think goes, not wasting any time on him,

    Jul 13th, 2023 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Sr. Malvinense...

    - Friends with Neurus..., Pucho..., Serrucho..., y Cachavacha...???
    - Tiro lío..., cosha golda..., lompo l’alma...!!!

    Capisce... ;-)

    Jul 13th, 2023 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    I imagined it with the british who don't want to understand blá má fuete q no t' e' cucho
    Very difficult as Carlitos said, hahaha
    Saludos The Think.

    Jul 13th, 2023 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    babble on little brook

    Jul 14th, 2023 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    El arroyo de la sierra, eh?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTC3cfWfGk

    Can’t vouch for the accent in Spanish, but there is no voice like it.

    Jul 15th, 2023 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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