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Sergio Massa: “For me Thatcher is an enemy of the Argentine people”
In a heated debate that unfolded on Sunday, Libertarian Congressman Javier Milei found himself at odds with Economy Minister Sergio Massa. The confrontation reached a boiling point as Milei accused Massa of employing the “falacia ad populum” strategy, dismissing technical discussions as if they were only meant for a select few, rather than the millions of voters they both aimed to represent. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe biggest enemy of the Argentine people has been and still is their own government.
Nov 14th, 2023 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse +8The word “Kelper” was not mentioned once by anyone in the debate.
Nov 14th, 2023 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Milei is a phony sociopathic manipulator, trying to maintain people's approval by stating emphatically things like “The Malvinas Islands are Argentinian”, undoubtedly shored up by his own egomaniacal spirit, while the next second he tries to please British interests by adhering to their bogus policy of “islander self determination”, which if President would most likely lead to experimenting with British cleverly offered options.
Massa on the other hand vehemently stands against “islander self determination”, which proves to me that neither one of the two men understand the irrelevancy and inapplicability of *“islander self determination” to the matter of sovereignty rights between Argentina and G.Britain. A success for the British cheating ploy of camouflaging its simple usurping expansionist aims of the last century.
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*Not that Islander Self Determination does not exist. Of course it exists. We are talking about the whole gamut of matters concerning a people's or individual's self determination, which we all share equally in this world. However, in the proper critical order and logic in this particular matter, the islanders are not sovereign. They may administrate to a large degree with ample autonomy the extent of affairs concerning their lives and the geography they have come to live on, but that is just how London or the UK have set them up for its own purpose and reasons. Ultimately they cannot have any say in the greater affair of sovereignty among two nations even over the land they are living on, as one of those two nations rules over their territory. The proper way of reasoning that situation would be for Argentina and G.Britain to agree on a given number facts, points, issues, etc, produce a plausible permanent resolution, then GB approach the islanders with it, and if the islanders don't accept it, return to the negotiating table with Argentina... and so forth.
Ciao..., Patrick...
Nov 14th, 2023 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -11) You are right..., the word “Kelper” was not mentioned once by anyone in the debate...
- Here..., I'wd like to add that..., all them “Kelpers” I know/knew (and almost certainly the lot I don't/didn't...) use/d that Engrish Colonial Coined Slur Word...: “KELPER” as a Rosette Award to be weared with understandable pride...
2) You are wrong..., Milei is NOT a PHONY sociopathic manipulator..., HE'S an AUTHENTIC sociopathic manipulator... ;-)))
3) I TÆNK that..., anybody that threatened to NUKE an *Argentinean city with over a million inhabitants (*Cordoba,1982)..., can and must rightly be considered an “Enemy” of Argentina...
Saludos...
Don't quite get it, thanx to Thatcher the RG's got rid of their dictators! They should be pleased about the actions the Iron Lady initiated!
Nov 14th, 2023 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Mr. KikeUshuaia
Nov 14th, 2023 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -2If you “Don't quite get it”..., my esteemed zoete aardappel..., try to inform yourself about the hopeless political, economical &social situation of “our dictators” in February, 1982...
More than probably..., the Malvinas Conflict did accelerate the process of degradation of “our dictators” by some months..., but that doesn't translate into us wishing to give Mrs. Thatcher a rim-job..., as little as any Gazan..., LGBT or not..., would wish to give this idiotic guy one...:
https://cdn.i24news.tv/uploads/9a/d1/f8/7f/c7/3a/e1/2c/97/25/f9/f8/50/af/95/f1/9ad1f87fc73ae12c9725f9f850af95f1.jpg?width=1000&type=webp
Capisce...?
Never liked Thatcher, her economic policies destroyed manufacturing in the North and Midlands , but she is dead and buried now ,so why even mention her in the debate, far more important issues to be addressed,
Nov 14th, 2023 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain had always been positively open to “would that war to ever happen” since 1833, as its plausibility was always seen as an opportunity to make a stronger move forward onto the South Atlantic, onto Argentina... or onto whatever. As clearly demonstrated when it did happen. Who did ever present Britain a military challenge capable of foiling their greedy ambitions south of the Equator? Enough said.
Nov 14th, 2023 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Everyone seems to have their own opinion of Thatcher...
Nov 14th, 2023 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still greatly admire the woman who stood firm during the war...
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Chic, she was a very strong leader on the world scene, but her domestic policies ravaged Britain, ask people in the industrial cities of the North and Midlands what they think of her, it would make you blush,
Nov 14th, 2023 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1............ Shic could also ask any Taffy coal miner..., it would make his derriere ache...
Nov 14th, 2023 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina attacks another country, loses, then blames thrm lol
Nov 14th, 2023 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One bad, one mad?
Nov 14th, 2023 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +3One who will change nothing.
One who will try to change everything.
IMHO - Argentina is screwed either way.
As for the Falklands - nowt will change.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
Nov 14th, 2023 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The Engrish copper that has never been near Argentina has an “IMHO”...?
The Engrish copper that doesn't speak a single word of Spanish has an “IMHO”...?
The Engrish copper that voted “Cruella Sionmann” in his screwed Kingdom's Gvt. has an “IMHO”...?
Chuckle..., chuckle..., re-chuckle...!
Talking of the mad .......
Nov 15th, 2023 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse +2The Skandi/Argie, Argie/Skandi, living in Italy (?). You've been quiet Trunks, thought you passed on to ... wherever. Presumably not that third rate basket case known as Argentina? 140% inflation? But then it's long been said that the only thing wrong with Argentina, is the Argies. Perhaps you should have welcomed us in 1806?
Who is Cruella Sionmann? Not that I've voted in a UK election for more than two decades. Probably three. After Thatcher was stabbed in the back by that pasty faced wimp John Major, I rather went off politicians. Could do with her back these days. They've all turned into pasty faced wimps.
Personally, I hope Milei wins on Sunday. He'll be far more fun to watch than Massa
Roger,
Nov 15th, 2023 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse +4I wanted to ask you about a different interesting post from above.
It seems between 1833 and 1982 Britain was always looking for a war in the south Atlantic in order to increase its military presence there.
And because this was a standing sentiment for 149 years, there must be piles and piles of evidence demonstrating Britain's regular desire for a war in the south Atlantic. Is that right?
Personally, I had no idea that for 149 years Britain was always hoping for military action in the south Atlantic.
But it seems, although Argentina attacked the Falklands, that only clearly demonstrates it was Britain that started the war.
Makes a lot of sense, right?
Bush Pilot - if you start paying attention to Pat the Rat Regini, then all is lost.
Nov 15th, 2023 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse +4Madder than the average hatter.
Britain has shown no interest in fighting Argentina since before 1833. That is why we gave them two written warnings regarding the Falklands In 1829 and 1832. In 1833, there was merely a small police action to remove the trespassers.
In the early 1840s, Palmerston was asked to approve a British colony on the coast of Patagonia. He declined to give it his support.
The small spat over river access in the mid-1840s was of little importance to the UK. So little that we pretty well gave up the attempt almost immediately. The embargo was maintained because of the alliance with France, although we abandoned them in 1849.
In the early part of the 20th century there was some mild fencing with Argentina and Chile over obscure South Atlantic Islands. The Antarctic Treaty resolved most of those questions - which is why we were so involved in its creation.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2023/07/1900-to-1959.pdf
Sense? Sense is a commodity mostly missing on these pages. The moreso from Pat the Rat Regini - an Italian/American from Hawaii who thinks he's Argentine.
Talking of the cantankerous.......
Nov 15th, 2023 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse -6The Brummie/Farang, Farang/Brummie, living in Foo-Foo Kingdom...(!)
You've actually been muuuch quieter than I..., copper...
How's the Indochina weather treating your rusty articulations...?
You seem to bee thriving in your pastoral environment..., keeping your usual Engrish High Spirit..., in which the acronym “IMHO” stands for - In My Haughty Opinion”...
BTW..., personally, I hope Cameron soon becomes the Tory leader again... He'll be far more fun to watch than all those latter flaccid lettuces...
A cool 31C Trunks. One of the fellas outside, digging a new drain for me, has a wooly hat on.
Nov 15th, 2023 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse +2Winter is coming ;-)
Already down to 31⁰C...?
Nov 15th, 2023 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse -3High time then to take the Wooly, Engrish Rib, Grey Cardigan out of the wardrobe drawer...!
We wouldn't want to catch a cold or a double pneumonia at our young age..., would we copper...?
Anyhow..., do you Tænk that Tory David Cameron..., now that he is back in power..., will be organizing some more of his very successfull “Referendums” like the one in “2013 Malvinas” ...?
Maybe one between them ~10,000 British souls squatting the de facto Stratocratic Dependency under Brutish Monarchy of Akrotiri and Dhekelia..., in Cyprus...?
Maybe one between them ~4,000 British & Yankee souls squatting in Chagos...?
Or..., hopefully..., one IndyRef2 in our beloved Alba...?
Huhhhhhhhh...?
Argentina: a nation that surrenders
Nov 15th, 2023 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Trimonde is posting his conspiracy theories again,
Nov 15th, 2023 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trunk, David Cameron is Foreign Secretary. He is not 'in power'. What he does have, however, are Chinese connections and if the USA is resetting its relationship with China, then it would be untenable for the UK not to follow suit. Following the Yanks, is what we appear to do most of the time. Annoying as that is.
Nov 16th, 2023 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Copper...
Nov 16th, 2023 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse -4David Cameron “In Power” was..., of course..., an euphemistic metaphor...
- As you so appropiately put it above..., you Engrish have become just a pack of CaoCao's..., TongDaeng's and FuFu's with your ears always in a respectful drooping position in front of your Yankee Master...
Capisce...?
Of course the real strength of Thatcher was not that she could have launched a nuclear attack on Argentina, nor whether she allegedly threatened to (according to a dodgy French claim), but actually that she didn't.
Nov 16th, 2023 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse +1Instead 255 British servicemen had to die rather than a few 100,000 Argentines. That shows admirable restraint, pity and kindness. Far more than the likes of Trimonde and Think deserve. Was it the right decision? Possibly a new Argentina would have risen from the ashes, one less corrupt, entitled, utterly useless....
Milei probably wont win, but he is probably Argentinas last hope this side of a nuclear strike,
Monkeymagic
Nov 16th, 2023 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with Malei being Argentina's last hope.
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Cara 'e raja... ;-)
Nov 16th, 2023 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Tænk
Nov 16th, 2023 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, obviously we disagree on numerous issues...
By the way, my tractor quest went from a cheap Chinese “bargain”, to considering used models to finally settling on a new Kubota...
... knowing on a proven Japanese workhorse and the tax advantages, won me over...
Also, it's amazing what the IDF forces have discovered underneath the Gaza paradise...
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Cola 'e paja...
Nov 16th, 2023 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Tænk
Nov 17th, 2023 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, sadly we all take sides on the conflict...
...as mentioned, mine was in 1972...
¡Saludos!
Milico...
Nov 17th, 2023 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, happily the side I took loooooooooooong ago...
... frees me from ever having to confront situations like these...:
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/pirulo/617607
(Today's Newspaper...)
Capisce...?
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