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“Britain has manipulated the principle of self-determination in the Falkland Islands”
“If there is a people who are victims of colonialism, to whom the principle of self-determination can be applied, it is the Argentine people,” says Facundo D. Rodriguez (*). The following is a letter Mr. Rodriguez sent to The Guardian in reply to the piece by columnist Simon Jenkins, “Argentine firebrand president elect Javier Milei is right in one thing, British sovereignty of the Falklands must end.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis guy is a “professor”??
Dec 12th, 2023 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse +4“First, it is the UN, and not the colonial power, in charge of determining the procedures to put an end to a colonial situation, and the UN has never applied such a principle to the inhabitants of the Islands”.
Err...yes it has
”The decolonization efforts of the United Nations derive from the principle of “equal rights and self-determination of peoples” as stipulated in Article 1 (2) of the Charter of the United Nations, as well as from three specific chapters in the Charter which are devoted to the interests of dependent peoples. The Charter established, in its Chapter XI (“Declaration regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories”, Articles 73 and 74), the principles that continue to guide the decolonization efforts of the United Nations.“
Second, this is a special case of colonialism in which the victim of the colonial action was a recently established state.
There was no victim. Nobody was expelled except a colonising militia who arrived 10 weeks earlier and wanted to leave anyway.
Third, after the dispossession of Argentina, the British government established their own settlers.
There was no dispossession of Argentina, and all Americas are a result of European settlers.
Fourth, since then, it has controlled the migration policies.
So does every country.
And lastly, the current residents do not constitute a separate “people” victim of colonial actions.
Yes they do, according to the UN same as any other island people.
Good try, wrong on all five counts ”professor”.
The last UN Resolution that mentioned the Falklands was in 1988 and was adhered to by Britain.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse +2The evidence suggests that the UN General Assembly is happy with the situation regarding the Falklands. Falklands -The Last UN Resolution (UNGA 43/25 of 7
November 1988 (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/50491466/Falklands_The_Last_UN_Resolution_UNGA_43_25_of_7_November_1988
“Britain’s manipulation of this principle is clear. First, it is the UN, and not the colonial power, in charge of determining the procedures to put an end to a colonial situation.”
Dec 12th, 2023 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is absolutely untrue. In fact, the reverse is true, as the UK has only applied article 73 of the UN Charter as prescribed.
“UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
Self-determination
The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law, binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter's norms. Wikipedia”.
Article 1 (2) - Equal rights and self-determination of peoples
Article 1 (2) establishes that one of the main purposes of the United Nations, and thus the Security Council, is to develop friendly international relations based on respect for the “principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples”. The case studies in this section cover instances where the Security Council has discussed situations with a bearing on the principle of self-determination and the right of peoples to decide their own government, which may relate to the questions of independence, autonomy, referenda, elections, and the legitimacy of governments.
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/purposes-and-principles-un-chapter-i-un-charter
Little old Roddy is full of the brown stuff,
Dec 12th, 2023 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is also a gross manipulation of numbers. The truth is that as a consequence of the British invasion, 53 people who were living on the islands returned to Buenos Aires from Puerto Soledad. The British schooner “Rapid” escorted the “Sarandí” for the British and carried in shackles the nine insurgents who had killed Argentine commander Francisco Mestivier. These were: 2nd Sergeant José María Díaz; 1st Corporal Francisco Ramírez and privates Manuel Sáenz Valiente, Antonio Moncada, Bernardino Cáceres, Manuel Delgado, Mariano Gadea, Manuel Suares and José Antonio Díaz. The schooner “Sarandí” took 17 military men with 10 members of their families (wives and children) to Buenos Aires and 17 inhabitants of the islands that worked there. The military men and their families were the following: Captain J. Antonio Gomila; Sargeant Santiago Almandos; 1st Corporal Miguel Hernández and his wife María Romero; Corporal Daniel Molina; and privates José Barrera, José Gómez, Manuel Francisco Fernández, Toribio Montesuna, Juan J. Rivas and his wife María I. Beldaño, Dionisio Godoy, Hipólito Villareal and his wife Lucía Correa and two children, Gregorio Durán and his wife Carmen Manzanares with two children, Benito Vidal and his wife María Saisa, José Soto and José Rodríguez, Juan Castro and his wife Manuela Navarro and Antonio García. Finally, the group of civilians was composed of the following workers: Joaquin Acuña and his wife Juana, Mateo González and his wife Marica, and the foreigners José Viel, Juan Quedy, Francisco Ferreyra and Máximo Warnes and a female group with their children: María Rodríguez with three children; Anastasia Romero; Encarnación Álvarez; Carmen Benítez; Tránsita González and daughter.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The numbers speak for themselves: 53 people set sail, and according to the British pamphlet itself, only 22 remained on the islands. That is to say, the British eviction resulted in almost 70% of the population leaving the islands.
Credits Kohen - Rodríguez
Malvi
Dec 12th, 2023 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Rule no 1. Never, ever believe a word that the Kohen writes as he is an acknowledged liar.
Rule no 2. Do you own research by reading the log of the Sarandi. It's available in the BA archives.
No whatever point you hold; the current Skippy Jessop (aka T.Hill) is a known fraud, stealing the valior of a deceased RAF solder who served during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Skippy needs to apologize to the MP readership...
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Kohen is a sophist of the worst kind as he continually makes assertions without the backing of legal judgements, simply his own personal opinion, which legally makes such claims worthless.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example in the publication Página12 dated Tuesday, March 5, 2013 he writes “This is a plebiscite organised by the British government”. Which is a deliberate lie as many independent publications and witnesses have attested, it was organised by the F.I. government. Then he attempts to discredit the referendum by implying that there is a prerequisite for the UN to be involved, where no such requirement in The Charter et al. Then he carries on stating there are categories of people under international law who are entitled to self-determination, citing the UNGA as his source. With very few exceptions the GA resolutions are not international law, merely advisements.
It would seem that Sr. Kohen's blandishments have more too do with his continued employment by the Argentine government than with the reality of international law.
Moreover, his attempt to persuade the ICJ that Serbia's 'national integrity' trumped Kosovo's right of of 'self-determination' took a hit.
The key point here is that: 1) there was a permanent human settlement in the islands, which had no military objectives but only the aim of the economic development of the territory promoted by the Argentine government; 2) in 1831 the Lexington´s brutal actions disbanded the population; 3) in 1832, Argentina was making the necessary efforts to re- establish the situation and 4) in 1833 the British dispossession put an end to the first true human development of the Falklands/Malvinas.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Great Britain expelled Argentina from the islands in 1833. They evicted the authorities and part of the population – men, women and children. The key point is that by this act of force Argentina was prevented from re-establishing the settlement that had been founded in the 1820s with so much effort. The leaflet does not mention that, as a consequence of the 1833 use of force, the residents of the Argentine settlement in the Falklands/Malvinas who had been removed in 1831 were never able to return. The residents living in the Falklands/Malvinas in 1833 were only part of the population. The attempt of the British pamphlet to justify the use of force by saying that the inhabitants it considered “genuine” were not expelled does not stand up to the slightest analysis. Furthermore, if the inhabitants taken to the islands by Vernet were “genuine” and they recognized Argentina´s authority over the islands, why should they be made to live under British authority?
Credits: Kohen - Rodríguez
I'll repeat, Skippy needs to apologize to the MP readership.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -3¡Saludos de Chile!
oh no no Malvi, this is not the case, as you will see if you read Pinedo's log.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +7The Sarandi dropped the militia off in Port Louis October 1832 and went on an expedition around the the islands, when it returned Pinedo found Mestevier murdered, his wife raped
and the whole area in uproar.
Every single one of the civilians who departed with Pinedo HAD ALREADY AGREED TO LEAVE WITH HIM BEFORE (BEFORE) the HMS Clio arrived on January 6th. Pinedo had only refused transit to the militia as their role was to stay on the islands.
The only change to the passengers of the Sarandi was the militia and their families ordered by Captain Onslow.
So Malvi, zero percent of the population was evicted.
The 27 militia who had been on the islands for 10 weeks (who wanted to leave but were refused by Pinedo), the prisioners they had brought with them were evicted.
The 20 or so civilians had already agreed transit with Pinedo as they had been left in hideous living conditions by Vernet two years earlier.
READ THE SARANDI LOGS
The key point Malvi is your facts do not add up,
Dec 12th, 2023 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +3”Skippy Jessop (aka T.Hill) is a known fraud, stealing the valior of a deceased RAF solder who served during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.”
Dec 12th, 2023 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As former SAC T.L. Hill, 18 Squadron, RAF, March 1963.
Oh what shame I get to prove yet again what a malignant narcissist lying bag of shite you really are.
https://imgur.com/a/WDPeU
Actually Skippy is disgusting fraud, an middle-aged bachelor who lives with his mother in Utah USA.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You'll note that Skippy's pathetic claim would place him in his 80s, yet most us are already aware of his miserable Mormon lifestyle.
¡Saludos!
“You'll note that Skippy's pathetic claim would place him in his 80s”
Dec 12th, 2023 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Skippy has never done any such thing.
His only association with anyone on this site is your 'projections of him, nothing to do me. Amazing how convoluted narcissists will
become when their exposed. What kind of person would troll the net attempting blame another person by claiming they were in fact substituted for by their own obsession. When the case is simply the pathetic narcissist involved with someone as equally pathetic.
“Narcissists are renowned for using psychological projection to blame other people, even when it is entirely apparent that they are the ones in the wrong. With regards to the narcissist, they too can have deep and repressed feelings, this is because their view of the world is so cut off from real life. It is not that a typical narcissist fails to know the difference between right and wrong. They do, it’s that when they themselves fail, they feel such an incredible sense of shame that they cannot deal with it.
Their delicate ego has to be protected at all costs and so the blame for the failure has to be directed elsewhere.
A narcissist is basically an empty husk of a human being who manufactures an attractive exterior in which to fool the people around him or her. Narcissists do not know how to feel love, pain, empathy or guilt, and seemingly surround themselves with people who have the exact qualities they lack.”
https://www.learning-mind.com/what-is-psychological-projection/
I'll repeat that Skippy's loving mother is highly admirable.
Dec 12th, 2023 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1All she desires is for him to marry a nice Mormon wife...
He should consider losing weight...
¡Saludos!
Methinks the arrival of Milei as president has Facundo Rodriguez concerned about his career path. It is clear that Milei has no intention of wasting his time with Argentina's spurious claims to the archipelago. After all, he has bigger fish to fry, and only four years to get cooking. I hear the office of 'Secretary for the Malvinas' is to be left vacant. Not that anyone has ever been aware of a single thing it actually achieved.
Dec 13th, 2023 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse +4As for the blatant distortions used by Rodriguez - all standard fayre. 50 resolutions? The UN library counts 10, with the last in 1988. The matter was settled in 1989, when Menem withdrew the issue from the General Assembly.
It would seem that Professor (teacher) Facundo Rodriguez may be in need of a new occupation.
”Projection (The Narcissists’ Weapon that Can Be Used Against Them)
Dec 13th, 2023 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the case of narcissists, because they’re unable to see these things inside themselves they have to project them on other people. Because they’re unable to be accountable and responsible for their stuff, they have to project it onto other people.
Projection is a combination of misdirection and blame-shifting. They’re diverting and distracting you from what is really going on and they’re getting you to take responsibility for it in some way. On the surface that’s what they seem to think is going on. But, if you learn to read the narcissist instead of just taking everything personally, you’re going to see how valuable their projections are for revealing who they are and what they’re doing.
The narcissist accuses you of lying because the narcissist is a pathological liar.”
https ://medium.com/@OwnYourReality/projection-the-narcissists-weapon-that-can-be-used-against-them-7ebb63848998
Skippy's bizarre long diatribe is nothing more than his boring bullshite...
Dec 13th, 2023 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bottom line Skippy lives with his mother in Utah...
Meanwhile, life here in Chile is exceptional good.
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
@Monkey
Dec 13th, 2023 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Pinedo expedition, the murder of Mestivier, the agreement of some inhabitants to leave the islands, are facts that I cannot understand in what way they can favor the British position of sovereignty. It is quite the opposite, it is shown that the islands were occupied by Argentina and that they were not occupied by Great Britain.
The islands never belonged to Great Britain. Port Luis was never inhabited by Englishmen. So by what authority did Captain Onslow order the expulsion of its inhabitants?
The horrible living conditions that you mention were due to the treacherous attack by the frigate Lexington that destroyed the population.
The names of the expelled people is the record of Captain Pinedo that is found in the General Archive of the Nation.
Regards.
Malv
Dec 13th, 2023 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Falklands have never legally been part of, or occupied by, the republic of Argentina. Is the uncomfortable truth for you.
The territory has been British since long before Argentina ever existed in any form and the British have always maintained their claim, three times recovering the territory from foreign invasion.
No civilian population was expelled from the Falkland Islands on 3 January 1833. An Argentine military garrison had been sent to the Falkland Islands three months earlier in an attempt to impose Argentine sovereignty over British sovereign territory.
The United Kingdom immediately protested and later expelled the Argentine military garrison on 3 January 1833. The civilian population, who had previously sought and received British permission to reside on the Islands, were encouraged to remain. The majority voluntarily chose to do so.
The British have the prior claim and this is not disputed, so unless you can show how and when the territory stopped being British, you cannot claim them as Argentinian today.
The only thing being manipulated here is the truth, by this F*cker D Rodriguez
And the victims of colonialism, Argentine colonialism, are the native peoples of Argentina.
It’s really not complicated.
“is nothing more than his boring bullshite.”
Dec 13th, 2023 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A man is known is known by the company he keeps, and also who he is projecting. It's two fatty peculiar guys.
What kind of person would troll the net attempting blame another person. By claiming they were in fact substituted for their own obsession. When the case is simply the pathetic narcissist involved with someone as equally pathetic.
”Projection (The Narcissists’ Weapon that Can Be Used Against Them)
In the case of narcissists, because they’re unable to see these things inside themselves they have to project them on other people. Because they’re unable to be accountable and responsible for their stuff, they have to project it onto other people.
Projection is a combination of misdirection and blame-shifting. They’re diverting and distracting you from what is really going on and they’re getting you to take responsibility for it in some way. On the surface that’s what they seem to think is going on. But, if you learn to read the narcissist instead of just taking everything personally, you’re going to see how valuable their projections are for revealing who they are and what they’re doing.
The narcissist accuses you of lying because the narcissist is a pathological liar.”
https://medium.com/@OwnYourReality/projection-the-narcissists-weapon-that-can-be-used-against-them-7ebb63848998
Malvi, the islands have never belonged to Britain you say, that is so ridiculous its hilarious, the islands where British before Spain, before France and long before Argentina existed, take comment that to any court of law and you will be humiliated,
Dec 13th, 2023 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@Pugol
Dec 13th, 2023 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The only inconvenient truth is that the islands were not occupied by the United Kingdom. First they found it occupied by the French, then by the Spanish and after Argentine self-determination, by the Argentines.
So unfortunately for you the islands legally belong to Argentina. The United Kingdom legally incorporated the islands in 1843! ten years after the Argentine expulsion.
Another falsehood is that the Argentine garrison was sent 10 months earlier to impose Argentine sovereignty.
So I ask: what did Jewett impose in 1820? What did the population partially destroyed by the frigate Lexington in 1831 impose? They mention 10 months but there was an Argentine population long before that. Therefore the UK did not protest much before as you mention.
The only victims of British colonialism are the Argentines, and the native peoples of Africa, Oceania, America, etc. etc. subdued by the British.
Regards.
Malvi
Dec 13th, 2023 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I think for the most part we agree to the events before 1810. My view is Spain removed its garrison and the islands became uninhabited, ownership did not pass to Argentina as none of the Spanish inhabitants became Argentine, they were not defeated by the insurgents, nor did they leave via Argentina. The islands were uninhabited for 18 years.
The question which you (in my opinion) overstate is the Vernet business, this was dubious as to being an “Argentine population” and it had failed.
The majority left in 1831 after 2 years after the Lexington raid, but they chose not to return, Brisbane did go back after 1833 but was murdered, Vernet chose to never return.
The remaining community of 40 or so, half wanted to leave with Pinedo. They were not evicted.
So your argument premise of an eviction is entirely false.
You have zero evidence that the remaining 22 civilians preferred Argentine sovereignty to British, indeed their leader William Dickson was British.
In order for a usurpation to have occurred you would need to show these 21 people had British sovereignty inflicted upon them against their will.
In that none of them left and some even have descendents on the islands for decades, it is hard to make that claim.
Sorry, there was nobody on the islands defending Argentine sovereignty or having British sovereignty forced upon them.
Malv
Dec 13th, 2023 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British found them in 1592 and then landed on them, planted the flag and claimed them in 1690, when the Islands were completely unoccupied.
The French settlement of 1764 was in direct violation of the already established British sovereignty.
As the Spanish found out in 1771 when they were forced to return the British settlement, as I said ‘the British have always maintained their claim, three times recovering the territory from foreign invasion.’
‘On 6 October 1832, an Argentine military garrison arrived in an attempt to establish sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, disregarding the British claim of 67 years prior. Less than three months later, on 2 January 1833, the Royal Navy evicted the military base with no loss of life. The civilian population, who had sought permission from Britain to live there, were invited to stay. A year later, a small, permanent British administration was established and in 1845 Stanley become the capital.’
https://www.falklands.gov.fk/our-history
Actually the Argentine garrison was sent 3 months earlier to impose Argentine sovereignty, not 10 months.
As I said earlier, ‘the British have the prior claim and this is not disputed’, ‘and the British have always maintained their claim, and neither is this disputed.
You never stop complaining about the British maintenance of their claim, it completely blocks your claim from progressing.
Saludos.
My congratulations to Pugol for clearing the subject perfectly.
Dec 13th, 2023 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Regarding Skippy's pathetic lies, I would remind the MP readership to his scandalous internet history...
All his videos can easily accessible on YouTube...
Meanwhile, we are busily prepared for the Summer season.
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
“Regarding Skippy's pathetic lies,”
Dec 13th, 2023 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An impossibilty since he was never here, and you're not all here.
”Transference (German: Übertragung) is a theoretical phenomenon characterized by unconscious redirection of the feelings a person has about a second person to feelings the first person has about a third person. It usually concerns feelings from an important second-person relationship from childhood, and is sometimes considered inappropriate. Transference was first described by psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud, who considered it an important part of treatment in psychoanalysis.“ Wikipedia
”Melanie Klein, one of the founding figures of psychoanalytic theory who furthered Freud’s theories, pointed out that projection can also be not just about denying parts of ourselves but also about connecting ourselves to others in a way that allows us to feel we can acquire parts of what they have.”
https://www.harleytherapy.co.uk/counselling/psychological-projection-are-you-making-everyone-else-responsible.htm
Marv still doesn't get it. There was a dispute between Spain and Britain. Britain won. Argentina was never in the game. This is as simple as I can make it Marv.
Dec 14th, 2023 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/simple-list-english.pdf
Anyway ....... how is the peso in your pocket this fine morning?
He knows Rog, but just cant accept it as it goes against everything he has been told,
Dec 14th, 2023 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse +1I think Malvinense does get it, unlike the trolls (Trimonde, Liberato, Think etc) he has actually read some of the counter arguments. The problem is that each time a domino is removed from his argument he brings up the next one.
Dec 14th, 2023 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse +2I see no evidence of an inheritance from Spain. Spain administered the islands from Buenos Aires, that seems to be the only argument. Britain administered Aden from Bombay it did not make Yemen part of India. There were no Spaniards on the islands that wanted to become Argentine, no Spaniards from the islands lost a battle for independence, there is no individual from the Spanish settlement who claimed independence from Spain.
The Argentine eviction argument has been proven entirely false, the only people evicted were the militia who had been there for 10 weeks, according to Pinedos logs they wanted to leave anyway but he had refused them, every civilian who left on the Sarandi had chosen to leave BEFORE the HMS Clio arrived. This is a documented proof.
The 22 remaining people (under William Dickson) did indeed have British sovereignty “forced” upon them. I see zero evidence that this was unacceptable to them, in fact some were British and many stayed for generations. The “injured” party if there was one could only be these 22 people.
There is only minimal evidence that the Vernet business constituted an Argentine community, or was internationally recognised as one, or that Vernet himself didn't play both sides. What is clear is Vernet left voluntarily in 1831 and chose never to return, wheeling out his descendants as “victims” is ludicrous.
There appears to be nothing here to suggest the current inhabitants are not the sole owners of sovereignty, much like most Atlantic and Caribbean islands.
However, Malvinense will continue to see a history that he believes shows otherwise.
@Roger
Dec 14th, 2023 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British lost when they recognized Spanish sovereignty, after which they proceeded to withdraw, leaving the Spanish in possession of the islands. This is the simplest thing I can do Roger.
Regarding the peso, I can say that it melts like butter, but as always when a new administration begins, we hope that this bad situation can be reversed.
Saludos.
Malv
Dec 14th, 2023 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain acquest to Britain’s claim when they handed the settlement back in 1771, unconditionally, note the unconditionally.
When Britain withdrew in1776 they left a plaque stating they continued to maintain their claim, as was the legal system at the time.
Argentina knows this well, I believe the actual plaque is in a museum in BA.
And if there were any remaining doubts, then the British recapture of the territory in 1833, three months after Argentina invaded, settled the matter.
Britain has the prior claim and this is not disputed, what Argentina has are aspiration and nothing more.
Saludos.
Malvi your case is becoming pretty desperate. Britain lost nothing, i know its hard for you to accept. but read again what Rog, Monkey and Pug have posted. the facts are clear. Argentinas claim is false. a myth a lie and a fantasy.
Dec 14th, 2023 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marv
Dec 15th, 2023 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British have never recognised Spanish sovereignty, which is why Spain lost the argument in 1771. The British never left after 1771. We withdrew a garrison, but let the businessmen move in. We reverted to the correct order of Empire - Flag Follows Trade.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/11/1775-to-1815.pdf
Particularly pages 67-69 covering the Board of Trade enquiry.
@Pugol
Dec 19th, 2023 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I don't remember where in the treaty the word unconditionally is found.
As for the plaque, it is invalid since the representatives of both governments agreed through a treaty on the British withdrawal from the islands.
Also, do not forget that the islands did not remain empty but that the Spanish continued in possession.
The plaque remained in the archives of the city of Buenos Aires and was stolen by General William Beresford during the first English invasion.
You know very well that a plaque thrown into nowhere, without protests and with another nation occupying the territory has no legal basis.
@Roger
Their businessmen, whalers, fishermen, do not give validity to their claim to sovereignty.
You make me laugh, the Chinese have many businessmen around the seas of the world.
@Juan
If the Argentine claim is a fantasy then the British claim to leave a flag, a plaque without inhabiting the islands, is much more so.
Reagards all.
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