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Argentina adapts strategy on Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty claim: “There is no discussion”
Argentina's strategy on its sovereignty claim over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands “has changed,” Chancellor Diana Mondino said after meeting with British Foreign Secretary David Cameron. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt’s simple, convince the islanders that Argentina is a better choice. England (sic) will happily oblige.
Feb 28th, 2024 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Yes, the first step is a healthier economy
Second is stop lying about history
Third is offer the islanders similar autonomy to what they have today
Fourth is put the Peronist liars in prison
After 30-40 years who knows?
It’s far better than the last 50 years of lies and bullshine
Could not have put it better Monkey M.
Feb 28th, 2024 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can’t have a sovereignty claim, sign a peace treaty then reinvent the claim.
Feb 28th, 2024 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Convention of Peace – End of Argentina’s Claim to the Falklands: https://www.academia.edu/109650905/Convention_of_Peace_End_of_Argentinas_Claim_to_the_Falklands
Steve
Feb 28th, 2024 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine politics CAN have a sovereignty claim, sign a peace treaty then reinvent the islands are theirs.
Argentina is infamous for crying...
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Take a lot more than 40 years to trust Argentina, especially the Peronists , an independent sovereign nation is the future, whether that is 20 or 40 or 60 years time, population is the key,
Feb 28th, 2024 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Chicureo
Feb 29th, 2024 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Critics of the Argentine government's strategies and rhetoric toward the Falkland Islands have coined a new verb - to malvinize - to describe how the claim of memory and of the Falklands is used simply to divert attention from more serious national socio-economic problems.
‘There is no possible discussion about the Malvinas, it is in the Constitution.’
Feb 29th, 2024 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1An interesting admission from someone in her position, perhaps a change in the constitution could be being considered?
As for:
‘changing strategies so as not to reach options such as war or the denial of relations with England,’
Well, for poor old Malv that has got to hurt, the worst of all outcomes, progress and business as usual on all other matters, while sovereignty is ‘parked’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE
@Monkeymagic
Feb 29th, 2024 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incredible! I practically agree with almost all of your points.
It is true we need a better country not only for the islanders but also for the inhabitants of the continent.
As for autonomy, the Argentine provinces are autonomous, they have their own government and constitution, the same could happen with the islands, it is a matter of dialogue and looking for the most convenient option for them.
Malvi
Feb 29th, 2024 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not 'autonomy' as a part of the Argentine South Atlantic Empire but genuine autonomy where they make their own decisions just as they do today.
@darragh
Feb 29th, 2024 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1So I find it very difficult. But Argentina is not an empire, the empire is its country, which takes land from others instead of remaining on the islands of the North Atlantic.
From a Chilean perspective, I hope my neighbors reform and accept Dollarization.
Feb 29th, 2024 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Milei’s sweeping decree in the Senate puts it at risk of being overturned as regular sessions get underway next week, jeopardizing his initial dose of economic shock therapy.
Alongside the Peronist bloc, which holds 33 seats, the signatories have enough votes to overturn the decree
Milei’s challenging ordeal is to fight the socialist cabal and fight like a raging lion.
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Malvi, all you Spanish and Italians that came from the North Atlantic and stole from the true owners of South America, are exactly an empire and colonists. the remote chance that you had of joint sovereignty has gone when Galtieri made the biggest mistake oh his life,, that ship has sailed whether you like it or not, the best you can hope for is to work with the islanders and may be get some economical benefits from it,
Feb 29th, 2024 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ Juan
Mar 01st, 2024 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse -1You forgot to mention the English.
You mention the natives because you cannot justify the invasion of one state into another.
It is the same as Argentina invading England and then justifying itself by saying that the Angles stole land from the Picts.
I agree that Galtieri made a serious mistake but he is not the only one responsible, Rex Hunt and Margaret Thatcher are also responsible.
Argentina is open to cooperation, cultural exchange, student exchange, etc.
Many may not know it but there are family ties between the people of the islands and the mainland.
Stop lying Malvy, you make a fool of yourself, nothing more than a fanatical troll.
Mar 01st, 2024 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh, so now you finally admit that their where no evictions of the failed multi national business venture ,and people chose to stay. a small step towards the truth their Malvy
@ Juan
Mar 01st, 2024 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://www.perfil.com/noticias/opinion/malvinas-chagos-referendo-opinion-kohen-rodriguez.phtml#vf-comments
Kohen rodriguez. , dont make me laugh, get a life troll,
Mar 01st, 2024 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Malv
Mar 01st, 2024 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, oh, oh, oh PMSL, you have got to be joking, or you’re on another planet???
That’s a laugh coming from an Indian murdering, land stealing, Creole Conquistador Planter from peninsulas in Southern Europe.
Argentina is a country only recently carved out of other people’s lands, which were ethnically cleansed in the process, and now wants to annex the British territories of the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
Except, unlike Atahualpa or the Mapuche, the British have more than just sticks and stones with which to defend their territory.
When the British arrived in the S. Atlantic then the Antarctic, they were uninhabited, unexplored and unclaimed, you cannot say to same for the territory that today you call Argentina.
Pfffff.
Also the Falklands situation today cannot be compared to either Chagos or Hong Kong, the fundamental difference being both Chagos and Hong Kong were always going to be ‘handed back’ at some point.
The Falklands however has always been British Territory and never legitimately belonged to anyone else.
I trust this clears up any misunderstanding resulting from Kohen Rodriguez’s complete misrepresentation of what is very obviously, a completely unrelated and unconnected issue.
Sheer desperation by 1833, little by little he begins to see the lie that is the Malvinas myth, but it must really hurt him , hence the irrelevant pointless desperate posts.
Mar 01st, 2024 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is for the Islanders to decide. One day, they may wish to join Argentina. And pigs, if they flex those front leg muscles enough ...
Mar 02nd, 2024 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1Malvi
Mar 02nd, 2024 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3If Argentina is not an empire how did it get hold of Patagonia? Argentina invaded, conquered and committed brutality against the indigenous people. If that's not imperialism I don't know what is.
What is your claim to the FI, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands, large chunks of Antarctica if not imperialism?
You can't have it both ways sonny so grow up.
But of course being an Argentine you can't see reality when it smacks you in the face
Malvi
Mar 03rd, 2024 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse +5Unfortunately, you claimed to agree with me and then went on to exhibit EXACTLY the behaviour and attitude that stops Argentina from convincing the islanders.
Your version of history is false, I have proven it false to you on many occasions. Trying to prove “England” (sic) stole the islands from Argentina is a lie which p1sses off the islanders and means they will never trust you.
England doesn't care, it doesn't need to disprove the lie to “keep the islands”, it will follow the will of the islanders.
So, my advice, stop reading and repeating Kohen, it is nonsense.
Admit that Argentina never had sovereignty, that is was a made up Peronist scam, full of lies.
Admit that the 1982 invasion was a terrible mistake and a shameful act and entirely and only Argentinas fault.
Admit that the islanders alone own sovereignty
Build a successful and honest economic democracy
Show the islanders they would be better off under an Argentine umbrella, offering them the same autonomy as today
Maybe, just maybe, after several decades, the islanders may choose to affiliate with you.
It wont mean the islands will be part of Argentina, they are not part of “England” today, but its the best you can hope for.
You are the problem Malvi, not the solution.
@Monkey
Mar 04th, 2024 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I reiterate that on several points I agree with you and some other forum participants.
For example I don't agree with some parts of the English version of the story. The islands were invaded by England. There was no British population in West Falkland/Great Malvina, there was no population in East Falkland/Soledad. There was no English population during the French, Spanish or Argentine occupation.
The ancestors of the current islanders are the settlers who arrived after the usurpation, mostly from Scotland and Wales.
They settled in Puerto Soledad/Port Louis until their later transfer to the new town of Port Stanley.
The islands were populated and administered by the Spanish and then, even before independence by Argentina, the islands achieved self-determination more than 200 years ago.
Argentine sovereignty is not a Peronist scam, Darwin commented on the surprise it caused him to see the British flag flying on the islands. The news of the usurpation was published in the newspapers of Buenos Aires, they should show this to the islanders because it is part of their own history.
I do not agree that only the islanders possess sovereignty.
I agree that we must build a successful democracy and economy.
I agree that we should show them that they would be better off under an Argentine umbrella.
I do not agree that the islands cannot be part of Argentina.
They could have the same autonomy as today or a special autonomy.
With dialogue everything is possible, unfortunately your country always refused dialogue.
Regards.
You can disagree as much as you want Malvi, but facts are facts, your dubious claims would not stand up in court, the Islanders facts would,
Mar 05th, 2024 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh but it is a Peronist scam, anyone with half a brain can see that ,its always been a scam.
no usurping what so ever, no inheritance, no evictions, no Argentine town, no nothing.
Spain is not Argentina,
UN, self determination trumps EVERYTHING. whether you like it or not,
Buenos Aires newspapersreported ?? thats a joke in itself,
no one refuses dialogue, the islanders would talk to you tomorrow, YOU refuse to talk to the islanders,
Britain talks to you all the time, but sovereignty is not on the table, end of story,
it is your lot that withdrew from a negotiated deal, through your crazy Peronists,
stop wasting your life on a pack of lies a myth and a fantasy, and get a life, nothing you do or say is either relevant, or will change anything, its a complete waste of your life, 200 years FFS,
Malvi
Mar 05th, 2024 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example I don't agree with some parts of the English version of the story. The islands were invaded by England (no they weren't).
There was no British population in West Falkland/Great Malvina (yes there was in 1760s), there was no population in East Falkland/Soledad. There was no English population during the French, Spanish or Argentine occupation (yes there was), there was never an Argentine occupation.
The ancestors of the current islanders are the settlers who arrived after the usurpation (no usurpation), mostly from Scotland and Wales.
They settled in Puerto Soledad/Port Louis until their later transfer to the new town of Port Stanley.
The islands were populated and administered by the Spanish and then, even before independence by Argentina, the islands achieved self-determination more than 200 years ago (yes, and all the Spaniards left and returned to Spain in 1810).
Argentine sovereignty is not a Peronist scam (yes it is), Darwin commented on the surprise it caused him to see the British flag flying on the islands. The news of the usurpation was published in the newspapers of Buenos Aires, they should show this to the islanders because it is part of their own history.
I do not agree that only the islanders possess sovereignty.
I agree that we must build a successful democracy and economy.
I agree that we should show them that they would be better off under an Argentine umbrella.
I do not agree that the islands cannot be part of Argentina.
They could have the same autonomy as today or a special autonomy.
With dialogue everything is possible, unfortunately your country always refused dialogue (we havent always refused dialogue, only since you invaded costing 600 lives).
Regards.
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