On the 42nd anniversary of the start of the Falklands/Malvinas war, President Javier Milei pledged that during his term in office “we will have a roadmap so that the Malvinas Islands return to Argentine hands,” underlining that the South Atlantic Islands sovereignty claim is an includible mandate for all Argentines, but for this we need “a country with a vigorous and prosperous economy” and that respects its armed forces. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPure fantasy, do all Argentine politicians live in a dream world,
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse +4its like reading the Beano.
Well I guess like all Arg politicians he has to go into fantasy land on April 2nd celebrating the day they started a war they then totally lost.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse +5Problem with cheap road maps is that they rarely actually take you to where you want to go. Often end up right where you started, might see some nice scenery on the journey - it is better to travel.hopefully than to arrive !
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2I think I see what he is doing...
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse +4My interpretation is that he has a check list:
1. Leadership must be respected,
2. Be a protagonist in world trade.
3. Have armed forces capable of defending its territory.
4. Make the country prosperous.
5. Freedom to produce, work and trade.
6. Respect for Malvinas Heroes and Armed Forces.
...he also has a check list of what not to do:
7. Don't make vacuous statements in international forae.
8. No corrupt and serial defaulters, who only care about their own interests.
9. Argentina should not be a land of barbarians.
10. Don't discredit the Armed Forces.
Do 7-10 sound familiar?
So effectively he's saying Argentina should transform itself into a land of freedom, prosperity and respect. Presumably he realises that this is the essential requirement in order to start to gain the trust and win the minds over of Falkland islanders. So his path makes perfect sense. What he hasn't given is a timescale for this. I think he realises that rebuilding Argentina's reputation or trust will not be quick processes. He is correct. I'd give it at least 100 years...
What he has done is to kick the Falklands issue into the (very) long grass. He's not going to waste any effort on vacuous statements in international forae and instead focus of fixing the economy. When the opposition try to distract with the Falklands issue he can point to his (reasonable) path and remove it as a political weapon for his opposition.
I could sell him one. It has rather a lot of dead ends on it, but nothing in life is new.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse +4He wants a ‘roadmap’ so that Argentine can gain sovereignty over the Falklands.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +4There are no roads between Argentina and the Falklands, but there is a lot of ocean!
He just follows Trump's playbook. The primer of the fascist far right that tries to dominate our America and Europe.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -7The problem is that when the fascists feel strong enough, when they think they are Capitoline Mars, they start to wage wars.
Sorry for the sincerity, but the first war this madman will wage will be on these islands, and with Trump's support.
Bras
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Why are most of the worlds successful economies run by centre right politicians (you call them fascists) and most of the worlds poorest economies run by socialist politicians?
There will be no war in the Falklands, the idea that Trump would attack UK territory is laughable.
It will be? Haiti, Sahel, Polynesia, Ecuador, Honduras, El Salvador, Peru....
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -4List the countries you have in mind.
Brasileiro
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Why don't you take a vacation to Cuba to enjoy the Marxist paradise.
The rum and climate is perfect right now.
¡Saludos de Panquehue!
Political suicide for an Argentine politician to admit that the Falklands aren't Argentinian.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The Argentine constitution destroys their Falklands claim. .
Falklands - The Futility of Negotiating Sovereignty With Argentina (1 pg) : https://www.academia.edu/57344689/Falklands_The_Futility_of_Negotiating_Sovereignty_With_Argentina
A government like Milei's that leaves the Argentine people to their own devices has an uncertain future.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -6The more uncertain Milei's future is, the more likely there is to be a war. This is how fascism works.
Argentine fascists would love to invade Brazil. Unlikely. But, it is not unlikely that fascists will invade the islands.
Worse, there are many people in the Falklands who would support fascism!
Brasileiro, you should not make up comments about the political inclinations of the Falkland Islanders. I doubt you know many at all.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Those islanders that suffered and endured the illegal invasion and occupation of 1982 had a brief taste of how South American extremism works: why would they want a return to it?
Not a bright comment my friend.
Really. Thank you for the advice.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -6However, the way they interact in this small space of freedom, I believe that, after twelve years, I know a lot about the culture and way of seeing and living the world of the island's inhabitants.
I will try not to make the same error of assessment.
Thank you, Veteran!
Bras, i doubt their is even one fascist in the Falklands, just 3700 people from 66 countries who want to be left alone in peace . go visit, you will enjoy it
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +5First thing I noticed in the article was the word return. Not sure why he is using that word because there is nothing to return. Is he as thick as the rest of the previous leaders of Argentina. Think the word he was looking for was claim. That is all it is and will ever be a claim nothing more.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3No differant if I were to say I claim a piece of Argentina. I can say it, but it actually means nothing.
So dream on Mr Melie and the rest of Argentina there is nothing to return .
However there is a road map you could build . One that says Argentina has no longer a claim to the area known as the Falkland Islands a British sovereign state.
That it will give up its sovereignty claim and start building a better trading relation with the British Falkland Islands. That would be a start to a road map of peace and prosperity.
MALVINAS ALWAYS ARGENTINIAN. HONOUR AND GLORY TO OUR HEROES OF THE 1982 GESTA OF THE ISLANDS RECOVERY
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Oh my, this article full of comments of readers preoccupied with the Argentinians dreaming!
It's good to have a roadmap to peace and prosperity, dont you think? I mean, considering that a lot of the northern hemisphere countries have issues trying to find the meaning of them at present. Look in the mirror, people, look in the mirror.
Grow up little girl and go get a proper education, not the indoctrinated garbage you have been fed from being a child, what you dont get is that we are laughing at your clueless politicians, and their was no recovery but an illegal invasion, the UN told you to get out, heroes they where not, just cannon fodder propping up an evil military junta,
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No indoctrination in my facts, only history and geography facts, plus some valid concepts of international law that apply to the illegal occupation of the Islas Malvinas since 1833.
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -8The UN cites the Islas Malvinas as 'territory in dispute', as it recognises Argentina's claim to its territories (eg Islas Malvinas).
Our veterans of Malvinas were and are heroes, they recovered the Islas Malvinas from the British Imperialism in 1982, if briefly.
Our country is the only country that brought the British army forces to its knees: this has been proved, and it will be re-affirmed when the closely guarded war documents are released (by the way, your own citizens are demanding that they should be released now). Then, the full extent of the damage that Argentina caused to your armed forces will be known, same as the war crimes commited by the so called Iron Lady, Thatcher, a war criminal, no less.
So keep laughing, but the truth will be known. Mark my words.
The UN and the rest of the world are sick to death of Argentinas moaning, they have no interest in it whatsoever, it does not recognise your claim at all, all it say is to peacefully solve the so called situation, no new UN declarations for decades, on top of that, self determination trumps everything, they can have independence tomorrow and that would be the end of it, Britain gets nothing and wants nothing from the Falklands, int will come in time,
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how did your country bring the British armed forced to its knees, please enlighten me, we were vastly outnumbered yet still whooped you bringing down your evil military junta in the process, something you should be thankful for, yes i will keep laughing because clowns like you do not know the truth in anyway shape or form. Buenos Aires would have gone to the ICJ many years ago, but they havent, because your claim would not stand up in court, Britain claimed the islands long b4 you existed, and b4 Spain and France fact, Argentina is not Spain. so either put up or shit up because you bore people to death with this nonsense, the truth is out there, but you cant see past the indoctrinated garbage you received as a kid,
That UPJ had changed the sovereignty of any Spanish territory at all by 1833 doesn’t stand up to basic common sense (CS) and historical fact (HF), even for indisputably Spanish territory..
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As International Law (IL) isn’t retroactive, it’s CS UPJ’s current status in IL is irrelevant.
It’s CS if the sovereign doesn’t consent, UPJ changes sovereignty, only if it’s binding.
As it’s HF Spain didn’t begin to consent till 1836, it’s CS to change any Spanish sovereignty before 1833, UPJ had to become binding before 1833.
Besides the phrase UP, UPJ has nothing in common with Roman UP, and is different to UP Europeans had been using for many centuries before. UPJ has not existed since Roman times.
It’s UPJ of 1810 for S America and UPJ of 1821 for C America. These years have nothing at all to do with when UPJ became binding IL. In fact there’s proof UPJ didn’t become binding before the 20th century. After independence Brazil occupied vast territory on the Spanish side. Between 1850 and 1910 Brazil negotiated border treaties with its Hispanic neighbours. While the Hispanics argued for UPJ (based on Spanish/Portuguese border treaties), Brazil argued for UP de Facto (based on effective control). Brazil prevailed, but regardless of who prevailed the simple fact they argued for different ways to decide borders is irrefutable proof neither UPJ nor UPDF was binding. As UPJ didn’t bind Brazil between 1850 and 1910, it hadn’t bound Spain or the UK by 1833 or anytime during the 19th century. It bound Hispanic countries only in their relations with each other.
If it not UPJ by 1833, by anything else?
It’s CS a unilateral declaration of independence alone (UDI) (like Argentina’s) can’t change the sovereignty of any territory. No legal status is ever altered by a UD alone.
Or UDI plus:
Right to Self-Determination(RSD)? No RSD in IL before 1945, so no.
Effective control (EC)? Argentina never had EC of the whole Falklands, so no.
Proximity, geography, or geology? Irrelevant in IL
The United Provinces or Argentina have never had legal ownership of the Falklands, that is the real truth, no inheritance, no usurping, no nothing, time you confused and misinformed Argentinians got a life. and stopped with this silly fantasy,
Apr 03rd, 2024 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +3He just follows Trump's playbook.
Apr 04th, 2024 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1Hey Brasso, what's wrong with that? Putin LOVES Trump! ;)
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1376xn/p03vhv9x.jpg.webp
...Our country is the only country that brought the British army forces to its knees... It only took twenty-one days for British forces to successfully remove 11 600 illegal immigrants. Granted, it took a while for them to get there, which is hardly surprising, but never once did the British forces lose a battle. Even the invasion, 5 000 invaders against a handful of truly heroic Royals, took several hours! Sort yourself out, buttercup. The Falklands never were and never will be Argentine!
Apr 04th, 2024 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse +6Geeeeeeeeeeeee...
Apr 04th, 2024 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -3- Sir Alan Duncan..., the brilliant Tory Ex-Foreign Minister who..., some years ago..., almost one-handed (though, with the good help from a couple of crates of well aged Claret ;-) almost got an Argentinian idiot to sign our Malvinas Isles away to him (Foradori -Duncan agreement..., anyone remembers that Shiat...?)..., seems to be slithering his way back into Brutish politics...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9-5GJvzmgM
- And MercoPress..., the British Raj South Atlantic News Agency..., ain't even dedicating a line to this Local Hero...!
I hope the Brainwashed Anglo Turnips in here vote for him at the upcoming general election...
(He can't possibly do worst than Rishy Sunak...., can he?...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
@ Steve Potts
Apr 04th, 2024 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Political suicide for an Argentine politician to admit that the Falklands aren't Argentinian.
Indeed and I think Milei realises this. He also realises that Argentina doesn't stand any chance of progress unless it changes its ways. So he's created a path that ticks both boxes and allows him to effectively ignore it because realistically it is nothing but a distraction. Like I said, he's kicked it into the long grass.
The British were not alone: they had the support of USA, the French, and even some South American countries, without them, they would have failed. Thatcher also pressured the French to stop the delivery of a few Exocet missiles to Argentina, and as a result they only used 5 of them during the war. Argentina stood alone, and with old equipment, but with honour, bravery and skill. The only help came from the Peruvian government, in the form of some warplanes, for which to this day the country is grateful.
Apr 04th, 2024 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -5The US is still lamenting dishonouring the OAS commitments, & the Monroe Doctrine by supporting the UK during the war with equipment, munitions, missiles, etc; their actions created distrust of their true aims & interest, damaging their credibility, standing & relation with the South Americans, & losing as a consequence whatever status & influence they had in the region. The reaction of the US & the British colonialism also created a shift of policy and strategic alignment in South America, unfortunately.
The recovery of the Islas Malvinas was a call for negotiations, as the constant Argentinian diplomatic protest to the British for the Islas Malvinas sovereignty were flagrantly ignored for 150 years.
Thatcher rejected Reagan’s calls for negotiations between both countries, and sent the British float, army and air forces to our shores. The Argentinian armed forces fought with antiquated equipment, & old airplanes, yet they sunk more than the 6 ships that the British declare. Apparently, the HMS Invincible wasn’t as invincible as its name declared: it is known that it was quietly towed to India to be repaired (that’s the info that circulated a few years back). Even the British commanders said they underestimated the Argentinian forces.
The Islas Malvinas are still considered a colonial territory in dispute by the world, & the UN. No illegal referendum/ false kelpers’ indigenous claims will change this.
What a load of garbage Buttercup, you really are brain dead, and believe every bit of crap printed in your press, join a circus, they need clowns,
Apr 04th, 2024 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The US is still lamenting dishonouring the OAS commitments, & the Monroe Doctrine by supporting the UK
Apr 04th, 2024 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES
The American States reaffirm the following principles:
Article 12
The fundamental rights of States may not be impaired in any manner whatsoever.
Article 13
The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being
recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
”As late as 1886 the (US)Secretary of State found it necessary to inform the Argentine Government that as “the resumption of actual occupation of the Falkland Islands by Great Britain in 1833 took place under a claim of title which had been previously asserted and maintained by that Government, it is not seen that the Monroe Doctrine, which has been invoked on the part of the Argentine Republic, has any application to the case. By the terms in which that principle of international conduct was announced, it was expressly excluded from retroactive operation.”
P.60 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig
MAH&G rights, Tænk, Brasileiro, etc
Apr 04th, 2024 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1My previous post shows how not a single square milimetre of Spanish territory could have changed sovereignty from Spain to any of its former colonies in the way Argentina claims sovereignty of the Falklands changed from Spain to Argentina. Whatever territory the ex colonies had brought under their sovereignty by 1833 or even many years later, it most definitely was not via uti possidetis juris. UPJ could not have changed any Spanish sovereignty whatsoever.
Geeeeeeee....
Apr 04th, 2024 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Where will all this end....?
Argentina is currently ruled by a completly deranged sociopath called Javier Milei ...
The UK is now ruled from Israel by that luuuvely Brownish Tory Sionist Hindi couple; Rishy & Suella...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoHz8G5PDXI
The Anglosphere is wet-dreamin' 'bout a simultaneous WW-III against Russia & China...
And them Brainwashed Anglo Turnips in here can only TÆNK 'bout the MALVINAS, MALVINAS, MALVINAS...
What a bunch of Turnips...!
Wow, this thread has got the nutters out in force.
Apr 04th, 2024 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Malvinas Argentinas H&G Rights is an oxymoron, there is no such place and they have no rights historic, geographic or otherwise.
And then a poster called Think who is incapable of coherent thought, teasing others for posting too much about the Falklands …on a news article about the Falklands…that he has spent the last 14 years obsessively posting…about the Falklands
Oh dear oh dear
MM. all three of them are nuttier than sqirrel sh,t,
Apr 04th, 2024 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2MalvinasArgentinas H&G rights: Buttercup, how on earth did the British quietly tow HMS Invincible off to India, and then return her? You really are full of s***. Your invading force actually fought an heroic retreat. As for having the support of the US and others, you studiously avoid mentioning the support Argentina had from numerous countries. Face the facts, the Falkland Islands have never actually been a part of Argentina, you have walked away from the negotiating table at least four times in recent years, your invasion failed. Invasion will never happen again.
Apr 05th, 2024 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse +2MalvinasArgentinas H&G
Apr 05th, 2024 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1good god alive. Not the old Invincible crap again!
When are you going to grow up. My 5 year old cat has more sense than you do.
Well..., yes..., Paddy just above...
Apr 05th, 2024 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -4- There are always..., all over the World..., a certain percentage of citizens that keep believing their governments War Propaganda lies of the past..., present & future ...
Lets take them Brutons as a school example...:
- WMD in IRAQ...
- DEMOCRACY for LIBYA...
- DEMOCRACY for KOSOVO...
- DEMOCRACY for AFGHANISTAN...
- DEMOCRACY for SYRIA...
-BO-JO's promises to ZELENS'KYJ...
Etc..., etc..., etc......................................................
NOT TO FORGET the most recent one...:
- Them THREE HEROIC BRITISH AID WORKERS”..., murdered by the IDF...
CAPISCE...?
Oh dear
Apr 05th, 2024 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The lonely alcoholic Think with his booze induced drivel.
He has a problem with controlling his own bodily functions after his daily skinful, Let alone making any comment that makes sense.
Poor Think….what a pickled turnip,
….what a pickled turnip.
Apr 05th, 2024 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a wonderful description of Gauchito Drunk!
”Monroe Doctrine, (December 2, 1823), cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy enunciated by Pres. James Monroe in his annual message to Congress. Declaring that the Old World and New World had different systems and must remain distinct spheres, Monroe made four basic points: (2) the United States recognized and would not interfere with existing colonies and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere;”
Apr 05th, 2024 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.britannica.com/event/Monroe-Doctrine/Application-and-extension-of-the-Monroe-Doctrine
I see the pickled Turnip Taenk posts drivel on the Falklands site as well as other country sites too, his brain must be addled from all that alcohol, as for buttercup she has made a complete fool of herself, the Invincible towed to India,????? didnt they claim she had been sunk first ? pathetic brainwashed people, long live the Falklands.
Apr 06th, 2024 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse +3INCONVENIENT TRUTHS OF THE ISLAS MALVINAS
Apr 06th, 2024 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse -6That's right TH, only thing you copied and pasted the text, but failed to notice that the spirit of the doctrine was about: that the intrusion from European countries eg the colonialist/imperialists on the political affairs of the AMERICAS, would be considered a threat to USA security. At that time, the South American countries also declared their independence, and shouldn't have had British interference (invasion), as they also had the right to preserve their territories as they were at the time of the colony. You can't cherry pick the letter of the doctrine, neither its meaning. That is why the Americans consider that by siding with the UK, their government dishonour the Monroe Doctrine, not to mention the Good Neighbour Policy (Eisenhower, if I'm not mistaken).
The Islas Malvinas are and were part of the South American continent, conquered by the Spanish Crown that defended its sovereingty citing that it comprised the land, its coasts, and islands. The Spanish expulsed the British invaders from on of the islands in 1771, from then on there was a Spanish Governor to the Islas Malvinas, in 1811 they passed to be administered, possessed, and protected by the new sovereign country of Argentina, which, as all other former colonies, had the right to maintain the integrity of its territories as they were at the time of the colony. After two failed attempts to invade Buenos Ayres, the British resorted to invade the Malvinas Islands. At that moment, Argentina had possession and sovereingty over the islands. For 150 years, & to the present, Argentina continues protesting the British illegal occupation of the Malvinas. These are facts, not indoctrication. In either case, you are the indoctrinated, the ones pretending that an obscure declaration and flag supposedly planted by the British gave them claims over our Malvinas.
'Ladran Sancho, señal que caminamos'.
”Monroe Doctrine, (December 2, 1823), cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy enunciated by Pres. James Monroe in his annual message to Congress. Declaring that the Old World and New World had different systems and must remain distinct spheres, Monroe made four basic points: (2) the United States recognized and would not interfere with existing colonies and dependencies in the Western Hemisphere;”
Apr 06th, 2024 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.britannica.com/event/Monroe-Doctrine/Application-and-extension-of-the-Monroe-Doctrine
Stop lying Buttercup, Argentina did not exist, it was the United Provinces that broke away from Spain, you did not inherit the Falklands or Cuba or Uruguay or Jamaica or anything else, Britain claimed the islands long b4 Spain or France, Spain has NEVER said that they claimed islands first, and have never claimed the western islands, lie after lie after lie has been exposed on this site over the years, just like you sank the Invincible or that it was towed to India, what nonsense, Britains claim to the islands is a lot older than your claim, get off your lazy backside and go do some real research about the history of the islands, go check Pinedos logs about who and how many people left, all you are doing is making an utter and complete fool of yourself, the whole claim of yours is a mixture of lies myths and fantasies,
Apr 06th, 2024 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse +3There is no such thing as Spanish South America, there are modern day countries in South America that were part of the French, British, Portuguese, Dutch and Spanish Empires.
Apr 06th, 2024 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse +3But let’s take the Facts made by our friend in turn
Spain never kicked Britain off the islands in 1771 or any other time. Spain never considered itself first to discover or populate the islands, and Spain left the islands voluntarily in 1810, all the inhabitants returned to Spain.
There was nobody on the islands to claim the territory for the United Provinces over 1000 miles away, nobody to chose to be Spanish or Uruguayan or Argentine or even British. The islands were all but empty for 18 years.
Then there was Vernets business for 3 years, it failed in 1831. It can be interpreted in many ways both then and now, but most left in 1831 and Vernet never returned.
Then we see Argentinas true claim, an attempted seizure of power in October 1832, the planting of an UP flag, and the positioning of a Governor. An odd thing to do if as Buttercup claims they had unquestioned sovereignty already for 21 years!!!
Of course the invasion failed, the governor was murdered and his wife raped by the crew, yet another awful stain in Argie history on the islands.
Had Britain arrived just a week later, Pinedo would already have left, and only the raping murderers would have remained. The eviction would be the same but Argentinas false version would have been harder to spin.
Pinedo was leaving anyway, so were all the civilians, the only people Britain forced to leave were the mutineers, who wanted to leave anyway but Pinedo wouldn’t take them.
Sadly buttercup the history is in Pinedos own logs, suggest you read them.
Gauchito! Borracho! Vos Sos Nabo Malvado!!
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