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The speech was delivered in Venezuela by Teslyn Barkman Falkland Islands MLA at the Caribbean Regional Seminar on the Implementation of the Fourth International Decade for the Eradication of Colonialism, (14/16 May), ahead of the Special Committee on Decolonization later this year. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesEloquent and succinct, I would expect nothing less of her. Apparently, someone tried to explain history to her as well, citing 1833. She relates that she “schooled” the so-called “historian” in the erroneous re-structuring they put forward. Nicely done.
May 17th, 2024 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse +5Well said Teslyn.
May 17th, 2024 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse +4‘We all know why Argentina are here today’
May 17th, 2024 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Yep.
‘We are not to be the next step in their colonial ambitions in South America’
Ambitions that now encompasses the whole of the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
‘you want to repeal a historic treaty that settled the matter’.
I assume this is a reference to the 1850 Convention of Settlement?
They dont fit on the people description, since they are living on a soil where the uk evicted the original inhabitants
May 19th, 2024 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -5That is an utter and complete lie Argie Cit and you dam well know it is, you have gone from a rational debater to a pathetic troll. grow and get a life,
May 19th, 2024 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Not troll.. the absolute true.. thats the reason of why pollard and twslyn had to peregrinate thousands of kilometers evry year to cry on the un decolonization comitte ;)
May 19th, 2024 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Not troll.. the absolute true.. thats the reason of why pollard and twslyn had to peregrinate thousands of kilometers evry year to cry on the un decolonization comitte ;)
May 19th, 2024 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Not troll.. the absolute true.. thats the reason of why pollard and twslyn had to peregrinate thousands of kilometers evry year to cry on the un decolonization comitte ;)
May 19th, 2024 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Not troll.. the absolute true.. thats the reason of why pollard and twslyn had to peregrinate thousands of kilometers evry year to cry on the un decolonization comitte ;)
May 19th, 2024 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Not troll.. the absolute true.. thats the reason of why pollard and twslyn had to peregrinate thousands of kilometers evry year to cry on the un decolonization comitte ;)
May 19th, 2024 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Rosalyn Higgins, former British
May 19th, 2024 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -4judge and former President of the International Court of Justice: “Until it is determined
where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have the right of
self-determination” They dont fit on the description of people, since they are living on a soil where the UK evicted the original inhabitants.
Same reason of why crimea , or the donbass region dont had the ritght of self determination instead theyr inhabitants autopercibe them as russian.
Ucranie had the right or use force to recovery the stolen territory, doesnt care if russia ocuppy for 200 or 1000 years
What a load of tosh AC, not clever enough to be a troll, more like a parrot just mimicking words other people have said, you wouldnt know the truth if it bit you on the backside. now be a good little Peronist fanatic and go eat a cracker,
May 19th, 2024 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3We have to listen to the British parrots, arguing their false self-termination that does not apply to them..
May 19th, 2024 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -4But hey, at least we agree to disagree, we will keep the sovereignty claim open while waiting for a slip.
Could this be the return of “Trollboy” of yore? Chicureo might remember him...
May 20th, 2024 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse +2AC its not a case of agreeing or disagreeing, its about verified historical facts, your claims are not, Pinedos logs prove that, here you go again, (waiting for a slip) let this sink in to that befuddled brain of yours, their will be no slip ever, you are more deluded than Trump. where in the UN charter does it say self determination does not apply, it does NOT, go eat some more bird seed.
May 20th, 2024 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse +2Sockpuppets Argentine citizen = Argentine_Cityzen,
May 20th, 2024 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1in connection with the 1825 treaty: “Acuerdo de Amistad, Comercio y Navegación Entre Las Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata y su Majestad Británica.” Firma: Buenos Aires, 02 de Febrero de 1825; Vigor: 12 de Mayo de 1825, Ignacio Benito Nuñez worked out an officiaol list of every single territory belonging to the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata. It is named “Noticias históricas, políticas, y estadísticas de las Provincias Unidas del Río de La Plata”.
Nowhere does it mention the Falkland Islands, Islas Malvinas, or any other name for the British Falkland Islands, because they were acknowledged as a British possession.
The official title of the decolonisation committee is: “The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial countries and peoples.”
If the Falkland Islands belong under this committee, then the committee acknowledges the Falkland Islanders as a people.
Argyzen
May 20th, 2024 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The problem with your sovereignty argument is that history is against you, the British claim IS older than Argentina in any form, where the British have always maintained their claim, indeed three times recovering the Islands from foreign invasions in 1770, 1832 and 1982.
Whereas Argentina accepted the British claim in the treaty of 1850, whereupon diplomatic protests by Argentina stopped and did not resume until 1943.
And as DA points out above, in 1825 the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata did not regard it as their territory.
The British have the prior claim where sovereignty is concerned, which means, according to your reasoning, the Islanders have the right to self-determination.
For those of you who don't remember “Trollboy'” he was another clown like Gauchito Drunk, who hated Anglophones and routinely changed his handle, with the word “troll” suggested in various combinations of letters and characters. However, he let it drop that he had inordinately large feet, a fact that seems to have been a source of angst for him. Naturally, I found and posted a picture of him....an Ucumar, or Argentine Bigfoot.
May 20th, 2024 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2https://bieninformados.com.ar/download/multimedia.miniatura.b7f2cca520ce0efb.65303132352d70726f6a6563385f6d696e6961747572612e77656270.webp
Argentine Zit
May 21st, 2024 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse +2Nobody was evicted.
Historical Fact.
However, even if there was an eviction or a genocide (like Patagonia), the existing inhabitants still have self-determination.
all the best.
No, they dont had self determination, untill they are living on a disputed territory where the UK evicted the argentine people. Same as russia is doing today at the dombass or crimea celebrating fake referendums without UN certification.
May 21st, 2024 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Even you cant be that stupid AC. the Ukraine situation is not remotely the same issue as the Falklands, again you lie, their was NO Evictions, repeating lies does not make it true, as Juan has said, you need to grow up and get a life, the matter is settled, you are making yourself look like a fool.
May 21st, 2024 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Setted for you : D we will be back
May 21st, 2024 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -3No you will not, not ever, in time the islands will become an independent sovereign nation with full protection from the UN, you are one very deluded foolish person, but then nationalistic fanatics always are.
May 21st, 2024 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1We will be back of course.. at minimal change of power balance.. we already doit...
May 22nd, 2024 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse -3And like things are going in the uk.. its a power going to decadence.. probably will be a caliphate in 100 years or less
That just shows how stupid you are AC, grow a brain, get a life and grow up.
May 22nd, 2024 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1My name is Marcelo Luis Vernet, my job is writing. I am linked to the Malvinas Islands, as an Argentine citizen, by their profound significance as a question of sovereignty and national cause that runs through our history, practically, since we were born into political life as a Nation. Also, my own family history is tied with a thread of blood to this history of all.
May 22nd, 2024 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -3My grandfather's grandmother was María Sáez de Vernet, wife of Don Luis Vernet, first Political and Military Commander of the Malvinas Islands and those adjacent to Cape Horn in the Atlantic Sea, when by decree of the Government of Buenos Aires said Commandery was created. , June 10, 1829.
I especially invoke the memory of María Sáez because I want to refer to her or, more precisely, to what was her home and her town, since July 15, 1829 when she arrived in the Islands. Already in 1823, his house became involved with the windy world of the Malvinas. First there were concessions from the government to use the hide of wild cattle and wolf oil, then the installation of ranches for taming and raising cattle. Her brother, Loreto Sáez, and her brother-in-law, Emilio Vernet, already settled in Puerto de la Soledad in 1824. Her husband, since 1826, has traveled to the Malvinas and stayed for long periods. On January 5, 1828, a decree from Governor Dorrego granted Luis Vernet “the land that was empty on Soledad Island (…) and the States Island,” with the purpose and under the express condition of increasing and consolidate the population of the islands and “the population and extension of the territory on the southern coasts and the promotion of its ports”, consolidating “new channels of national prosperity with the promotion of the important sector of fishing.” And now, on June 19, 1829, Vernet sailed again from the port of Buenos Aires towards the Islands.
Adding to malvinense1833, argentina carryed out many sovgherany and governament acts at east island.. where port louis was located. The Uk had Null claim or precense at this island..
May 22nd, 2024 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2we will be back, sonner or later.
“They dont fit on the people description”
May 22nd, 2024 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1They most certainly do Ollie.
“UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained .. self-government recognize the principle ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
“October 16th,1975
The ICJ presents its advisory opinion on two questions concerning Western Sahara; “The validity of the principle of self-determination, defined as the need to pay regard to the freely expressed will of peoples, ...” The Court also states; “The Charter of the United Nations, in Article 1, paragraph 2, indicates, as one of the purposes of the United Nations: “To develop friendly relations among nations based on ...the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples . .” This purpose is further developed in Articles 55 and 56 of the Charter. ...the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”
Judge Dillard, .. adds; “ .. it is for the people to determine the destiny of the territory and not the territory the destiny of the people.
Rosalyn Higgins
According to Rosalyn Higgins, “Until it is determinedwhere territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have the right ofself-determination” concerning only Western Sahara, 1975.
”The jurist Rosalyn Higgins President of ICJ arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: “No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.” 1
1. Rosalyn Higgins, “Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
Argentina did not grant any British title, what is true is Rosalyn Higgins' interpretation that it is impossible to determine if the islanders have the right to self-determination, without first seeing where sovereignty is located ;)
May 23rd, 2024 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse -2Malv
May 23rd, 2024 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse +1Luis Vernet, wasn’t he the one who got permission from the British to establish a settlement on the Falklands? Thus maintaining the British claim.
Yet no mention of that in your propaganda post.
Being a bit selective with your history here aren’t you, ignoring the British history of the S. Atlantic doesn’t make it go away, it just makes your statements historically completely inaccurate.
Argentine citizen
‘we will be back, sonner or later’, and we will be waiting, locked and loaded.
Ready when you are.
Oh and in the treaty of 1850 Argentina acquiesced to British sovereignty of the Territory and did not protest again until 1943.
But this time it's different, he's going with his family, he's going to stay. The decree of June 10 establishes the residence of the Commander of Malvinas in Puerto de la Soledad. María is 29 years old and has three children; The youngest, Sofía, does not walk yet, she will take her first steps in the Malvinas. When her husband enthusiastically reads her the decree of her appointment, she is carrying a two-month pregnancy, and the decree does not state in its articles that on February 5, 1830, María must give birth in her new home, very far away.
May 23rd, 2024 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse -2Allow me, then, to bear witness to what was my home and my town in the Malvinas.
On July 15, María arrived at Puerto de la Soledad. Accompanying the expedition were 23 families who were going to swell the existing Argentine population. That same day he begins to write a diary. Its pages report nothing extraordinary. Just the daily life of a small town where residents from the provinces of Santiago del Estero, Entre Ríos, Córdoba, Buenos Aires and Santa Fe share their fate; countrymen from Uruguay and Tehuelches from deep Patagonia; German peasants, who together with the Argentinians build their houses; Scots and French who, forgetting the sea, become horsemen and work alongside our countrymen; Genoese, English, Irish fishermen and sailors. Men who bring their jobs as their only fortune. Africans also found a distant home there who, due to the vicissitudes of the war with Brazil, where they were destined as slaves, ended up being colonists of the Malvinas. Its stable population exceeds a hundred people, increased by the crews of the boats that usually make their stop there. In the pages of María's diary, the letters, official papers and work contracts, which today we preserve in the General Archive of La Nación, the everyday life of the Puerto de la Soledad of Malvinas still beats.
Malv
May 23rd, 2024 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse +1Like I said, ‘ignoring the British history of the S. Atlantic doesn’t make it go away, it just makes your statements historically completely inaccurate.’
And the British history in the S. Atlantic is older than Argentina in any form, is the uncomfortable truth for you.
I mean, there were no ‘Argentinians’ in 1829, because there was no Argentina, it did not yet exist, yet you say they were invading British territory?
Hadn’t even conquered Patagonia and TDF to be in the proximity of the S. Atlantic, where the British were long established.
Your post is as incorrect as it is long and rambling.
“it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have the right of self-determination”
May 23rd, 2024 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Specific ONLY to Western Sahara, 1975.
Specifically specifying UK sovereignty.
”The protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.“ 1
1. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
It is a town of workers, without military presence. It extends for just over half a mile, bordering the cove that is used as an inland port. The “Main House”, headquarters of the Command, stands out. In front of it a mast with a flag and a battery that, happily, is only used to salute the boats entering the port with cheerful cannon shots or on solemnities as a noisy tribute to the flag. Behind, next to the corral, is the “Orchard House”, inhabited by the gardener “a German who was employed at the Baron de Holemberg's estate in Buenos Aires”; From María's diary we learn that “she has already planted many vegetable seeds and one of these days she will plant flowers.” A little to the west, next to a sea inlet, the “Small House called the oven”, inhabited by the hider.
May 23rd, 2024 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -2If we go east, crossing the stream bridge, we find the blacksmith's and stonemason's houses. Nearby, the house of Julio Grassi, the person in charge of salting the fish. He is a Genoese who in his contract says he is a “navigator” by trade. 36 years old, he is married and has two children. María has become friends with his wife and on their walks they always reach the fishmonger that is next to the beach half a league from their house. Thursday, October 29, was a celebration: “It is the first day that the net was cast, where four hundred very large fish were caught.”
From Grassi's, towards the ravine, is the town surgeon's house, made of lime, stone, stone and clay. Next to the stream, the houses of the Klein and Hagener families, which formerly served as a hospital for the Spanish. With their countrymen they planted a garden protected by walls. Always continuing towards the east, towards the cliff that overlooks the outer port of Annunciation Bay, are the ruins of the Spanish fort that today are used as a corral for the hacienda.
Again you ignore the British history in the region going back long before Argentina ever existed in any form.
May 24th, 2024 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1Also, Luis Vernet asking permission from the British to found a commercial settlement in the Islands.
The Noticias históricas, políticas, y estadísticas de las Provincias Unidas del Río de La Plata, of 1825 (Ref DA), with no mention of either the Malvinas or Falklands.
Argentina signing and ratifying the 1850 treaty, ending diplomatic protests from Argentina.
And of course the Latzina map of 1882, showing the Falklands as NOT part of Argentina.
‘Ignoring the British history of the S. Atlantic doesn’t make it go away’, but then you only have a case if you completely ignore the British history of the region.
You’re on a fools errand.
@Pugol: this is my response to the beautiful Teslyn Barkman who evidently ignores the history of the place where she was born.
May 24th, 2024 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were people, a people inhabiting the islands, belonging to a country that achieved self-determination a long time ago.
You can say what you want about continental Patagonia, the fact is that insular Patagonia was already inhabited by Argentines.
They also deny the existence of the country, which is not true. Argentina was recognized by its country in 1823 and 1825. This categorically refutes the phrase “Argentina did not exist.”
The Malvinas are mentioned in numerous official documents before and after 1825.
The Convention of 1850 was never mentioned by the United Kingdom to end the dispute. It is a desperate invention by Pascoe and Pepper to find a legal document to justify the British presence on the islands.
Regarding the argument of the Latzina map, its falsity has already been demonstrated on numerous occasions. It can then be said that the United Kingdom correctly recognizes that the islands do not belong to it with the Neele map, drawn up a few years after the British abandonment.
You are the ones who ignore Argentine history in the South Atlantic.
Ignoring Argentine history in the South Atlantic does not make it disappear.
Greetings.
Exactly and agree with malvinense1833.. the history facts dont disappear and the UK malign act of force wont be forget.
May 24th, 2024 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, open territorial dispute. We will be back sonner or latter.
The British history of the Falklands started long before Argentina existed, and no we did not abandon them and no you will not be back ever, war mongering troll, only in your deluded mind,
May 24th, 2024 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh make sure we will.. we already doit.
May 24th, 2024 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and make sure to keep spending and active 2 aircraft carriers to defend the position.
learn to speak English, your comments make no sense,
May 24th, 2024 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0carriers are not needed to defend the islands,
“The Convention of 1850 was never mentioned by the United Kingdom to end the dispute.”
May 25th, 2024 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats your point, it is well established internationa law.
'The Convention of Settlement, 1850.` This is how legal scholars of the day and therefore nations viewed the effects of such a peace treaty to wit:
LAWS OF WAR By H. W. HALLECK, 1866, CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
§ 12. Principle of uti possidetes. A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question. ... ...Treaties of peace, made by the competent authorities of such governments, are obligatory upon the whole nation, and, consequently, upon all succeeding governments, whatever may be their character.
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