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Mondino hails UK-Mauritius understanding on Chagos
Argentine Foreign Minister Diana Mondino celebrated Thursday's announcement regarding the imminent handover of the British Indian Ocean Territory of Chagos to Mauritius after a dispute of nearly six decades and hinted that a similar path should be followed to ”recover the Malvinas (Falkland).” Read full article
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Oct 04th, 2024 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse +3Agreed Mike, the Chagos/Diego Garcia was and is a completely different situation to the Falklands and Gibraltar, no government no matter what colour will sell out FI and Gib, the Tory press in the UK scare monger all the time, most sensible people ignore what the comics say,
Oct 04th, 2024 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2What is funny is that lunatic Peronists believe Britain want the Falklands or Chagos for the same reasons they do.
Oct 04th, 2024 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina mistakes how much land or maritime spaces it has as equating to the size of its penis. Without realising all the world sees is a flaccid impotent mess.
Britain gave independence to territories many times the size of Argentinas flaccid impotent mess because territory size is irrelevant.
Chagos has been given to Mauritius because they committed legally to maintaining the military base indefinitely, the rest of the islands hold no value unless like Argentine you are interested in cick size.
The remaining BOTs require the inhabitants to make a decision. They have.
On the news this morning they interviewed a chap living in Surrey who claimed he and his mum were “moving back” to their homeland as soon as possible.
This will be interesting with no fresh water , no infrastructure and no housing. Good luck, please approach the Mauritius government to fund it.
Such a big fuss about nothing, quite pleased its been sorted out,
Oct 04th, 2024 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did the 2019 ICJ Chagos Opinion give support to Argentina’s Falklands claim?
Oct 04th, 2024 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Falklands – Chagos Ruling (2 pgs): https://www.academia.edu/38498842/Falklands_-_Chagos_Ruling
We have no doubt about our sovereignty over the Chagos Islands.
Oct 04th, 2024 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Malvi, that is because you have been indoctrinated with a pack of lies, why do you think Argie land has never gone to court, as the song goes, dont cry for me Argentina, the truth is you never owned it,
Oct 04th, 2024 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2No Juan, I am not indoctrinated, I read many books seeking to know which of the two countries was right, I wanted to know if our country was wrong in its claim and to know how the English arrived to the islands.
Oct 04th, 2024 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -7I came to the conclusion that the claim is fair and that the islands are part of our country. With Chagos a solution was reached, very reluctantly from the United Kingdom, but the problem ended. I wish the same for my country and the parties involved.
Regards.
No Malvi, their is not one jot of evidence to say they ever belonged to Argentina, no inheritance, no sovereignty no mythical town, no nothing, the Chagos situation is no way comparable to either the Falklands or Gibraltar, see you at the ICJ, i will bring the tissues to wipe away your tears, the Falklands were are ours long before you existed,
Oct 04th, 2024 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Its very funny screach on web notices the uk represenytatives say few years ago:
Oct 04th, 2024 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“We have no doubt about our sovereignty over the Chagos Islands.”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eikbZ0R5NuA
Oct 04th, 2024 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Another One Bites The Dust..., indeed...
Next..., Akrotiri and Dhekelia...
Then..., el Peñon...
And later..........
Capisce...?
Malvi
Oct 04th, 2024 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +4You read many books seeking to come to a conclusion which was right.
Really?
You realise that’s worse.
An ignorant who has not looked at the evidence but parrots propaganda they have been fed is one thing…..
But to have read the proper historic evidence (I.e not Kohen propaganda) and to still not see that the Argentine claim is full of blatant lies is astonishing.
There was no inheritance, no eviction, no geographic proximity, and the population despise you for invading them, using them as a human shield and planting unmapped minefields around their homes…the only historic atrocities ever carried out on the islands were by you!
If having looked at all that evidence and you still support the Argentine claim, you are by definition brainwashed.
I also see El Think has risen from his drunken pit to spew his broken and infantile attempt at English. The pickled Turnip with an IQ in single digits.
Hey teank.. had fun with this phrase the uk was arguing 3 years ago:
Oct 05th, 2024 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse -5- In the answer Heappey wrote: “We have no doubt about our sovereignty over the territory of the British Indian Ocean Territory, which has been under continuous British sovereignty since 1814”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/09/uks-colonial-stance-over-chagos-islands-could-derail-court-bid
Peronist indoctrinated fanatic, it was given up voluntarily , no one forced the government to do it, let that sink in to your brain, its of no consequence to you or the Falklands, but go have your orgasm over it if thats what floats your boat,
Oct 05th, 2024 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1“I came to the conclusion that the claim is fair and that the islands are part of our country”
Oct 05th, 2024 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Hardly, Argentina is barred from using “territorial integrity” as an argument. As it is a post UN law and cannot be applied retroactively.
“...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jenningsa Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994. So in spite of your typical Argentine propensity for lying your argument is shown for the fraud that it is
So much for the finality of legal decisions.
But the great thing is all tha parties got what they wanted.
”The European Court of Human Rights has dismissed a case brought by Chagos Islanders claiming the right to return to their home in the Indian Ocean, bringing a long legal battle to a close.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/9758451/Chagos-Islanders-defeated-in-European-Court.html
Hey..., Argentine citizen...
Oct 05th, 2024 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -5- I Tænk them Brutish may keep having ”No doubt about (their) sovereignty over whatever Territory they fancy“..., as long as they give it back and go back home to their Brutish Isles to worship their Anglican God, created exclusively to cater for the ”Family Values” of that murderous King of theirs..., Henry VIII... ;-)
Capisce...?
Yet another stupid comment from the pickled turnip Think.
Oct 05th, 2024 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Who is Chagos is going home to the British Isles? Nobody, there is no population,
How many people went home when Canada got its independence or Australia?
When do the Argie go home to Italy and Spain?
The Falklands won’t be British forever, they will be British as long as the islanders want, and the islanders are already home.
That’s what really chokes you though isn’t it Think? That’s why you reserve your most pathetic ranting for the islanders….they hold all the power and you have none, and you’ve spent 14 years impotently thrashing in the dark.
I have no doubt the sovereignty of the Falklands is determined by the people who live there.
Once the naval base was secured who gives a stuff where sovereignty of a bunch of uninhabitable atolls in the Indian Ocean lays?
Stupidity and stink go hand in hand. all he has is a sozzled brain full of hatred for anything British, his rants are nothing but irrelevant garbage, should have been aborted ,
Oct 06th, 2024 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Talk about storm in a teacup!
Oct 06th, 2024 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The British retained Chagos with the agreement of the newly independent Mauritius government who were paid a fee. On the understanding that the territory would be handed to Mauritius when it was no longer needed for military purposes.
You will note that the new agreement secures the future of the military base and the Americans are happy with that.
The reason for the new urgency on the part of this Mauritius government is to secure the resources of the 200nml EEZ around the Islands while they are still Islands and not classed as Rocks which only get a 12nml territorial limit.
As a MPA the seas there are rich there, but will not be for much longer.
As the Islands are now barely capable of sustaining human habitation, even then only for a very small number of people and for a limited time only, the chances of a ‘return’ for the Chagossians remains the same as non-existent.
The military base wasn’t the only reason they had to leave in the first place, a fact often overlooked.
As to the excitement in Argentina over this, it stems from the belief in Argentina that the Falklands are actually Argentinian, they still haven’t realised that as far as the British are concerned, they are not and never have been.
Hence a ‘Hong Kong/Chagos’ type deal, neither of which was British Territory, is simply not applicable in the Falklands.
And as the Falklands have never legitimately been part of, or occupied by Argentina, they cannot disrupt the territorial integrity of Argentina.
But hey, Argentina can dream if that’s what floats their boat, it’s no skin of our noses.
Worth noting that the Chagos agreement, assuming it survives the current furore, does not recognise Mauritian sovereignty in the past, only going forward. It also requires a treaty. Not yet a done deal. Parliament reconvenes on Monday. Should be an interesting week.
Oct 06th, 2024 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +3One other thing. The ICJ's Chagos advisory opinion implies that once a territory had been listed as a NSGT at the UN, then the Colonial Authority lost its ability to change that territory's borders. On that basis, should the Falklands opt for independnce one day, they caould demand the return of South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands and all the UK Antarctic claims. From half the size of Wales to one of the largest nations on earth.
Poor Gauchito Drunk, ignoring the fact that Spain and Portugal saw fit to split up the world, and dedicate it to the spread of their own form of idol worship. But hey, it's not like he's big on history, now, is it?
Oct 07th, 2024 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse +2GAUCHITO! BORRACHO! VOS SOS EL MAL PAYASO!
Evidence provided by Lorton.
Oct 08th, 2024 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -3https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/88740.pdf
You cannot deny that the islands were populated and governed by Spaniards. After the wars of independence, our people achieved self-determination, not only in the islands but also in the rest of the territory.
The supposed English discovery of 1690 is not valid unless the title is perfected with occupation.
You know very well, the islands were never English.
Malvi
Oct 08th, 2024 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3We need to be specific and not make stuff up that doesn’t suit us.
An island (not the islands) was indeed governed and inhabited by the Spanish. The was in fact a small skirmish between Britain and Spain over the other Island (West Falkland) which maintained the status quo.
You cannot say Spain had sovereignty over the islands and Britain never did.
The general consensus at the time is in order to maintain sovereignty you needed to maintain a civilian population.
Neither Spain nor Vernet ever had a population on West Falkland nor indeed South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. So why do you claim them?
In order to be a successor state, the Spanish who lived on the islands would have needed to join in the independence movement and become Argentine. Not a single one did, Spain withdrew from East Falkland before independence and not one of the inhabitants remained.
As of 1815 there were no inhabitants on either island just competing sovereignty claims (Argentina or more accurately UP, Britain and Spain)
Argentina no more inherited the Falklands as any other Spanish territory such as Peru or Uruguay or Jamaica. The islands were governed from BA by Spain for expedience like Aden in Yemen was governed from Bombay under the British Empire.
You are quoting hopeful opinion as fact, and pretending that geographic proximity is factor forgetting that Patagonia was not part of the UP territory.
So, Spain vacated voluntarily, not a single inhabitant went from being Spanish to Argentine, there is no evidence of successor state.
You can keep repeating it but it is not accepted.
Why were you brought up with the expulsion myth now proved false?
Why were you brought up with geographic proximity myth about continental shelves etc forgetting the Patagonia fact?
How does Argentina inherit West Falkland, South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands etc?
Can you name another successor territory where not a single coloniser became independent?
“The supposed English ... not valid unless the title is perfected with occupation”
Oct 08th, 2024 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2How about these apples.
“The Island of Palmas tribunal of the PCA at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest as a mode of acquiring territory when it declared in its decision that:
“If a dispute arises as to the sovereignty over a portion of territory, it is customary to examine which of the States claiming sovereignty possesses a title—cession conquest, occupation, etc.—superior to that which the other State might possibly bring forward against it.”
Island of Palmas case (Netherlands v. USA) (1928), RIAA 2 (1949),ß
”There is a general principle, in international law jurisprudence, that claims may be extinguished by the passage of time.
“The principle of extinctive prescription, that is, the bar of claims by lapse of time, is recognized by international law. It has been applied by arbitration tribunals in a number of cases. The application of the principle is flexible and there are no fixed time limits…. Undue delay in presenting a claim, which may lead to it being barred, is to distinguished from effects of the passage of time on the merits of the claim in cases where the claimant state has, by failing to protest or otherwise, given evidence of acquiescence’”: I Oppenheim 526 and 527. See Cheng, General Principles of Law as Applied by International Courts and Tribunals (1953), Chap. 18; King, Prescription of Claims in International Law, (1934) 15 B.Y.I.L. 82. Cf. prescription, acquisitive.
So the UK can prove jurisdiction as to title, and the last time I looked they have tossed a claim that exceeded thirty years (The Gentini case PCA 1903).
Moreover, you cannot apply modern law. With so much precedent in their corner, they look like their claim is in pretty good shape
”Argentine Foreign Minister Diana Mondino hinted that a similar path should be followed to ”recover the Malvinas (Falkland).”
Oct 08th, 2024 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1She is right, so now we are waiting for Argentina to follow a similar path and drop its ridiculous claim on the British Falkland Islands.
Marv, Spain only claimed one Island in 1811. Spain still claimed that Island in 1833 and would do so until 1863, when a Spanish Admiral insisted on saluting the British flag at Stanley.
Oct 09th, 2024 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina was never in the game.
Malvi, you read many books before coming to the conclusion that yje islands are Argentine. really ? you say the islands where never English, really ? you are starting to sound more ridiculous than the indoctrinated Peronist fanatic who posts his deluded diatribe on here, oh and by the way, England/GB claim goes back to 1594, long before Spain, France and anyone else, and most certainly long before you ever existed, even Spain say the islands where never yours, so as far as reading many books is concerned , not one of them contain historical fact, as for the islands where never English is the most stupid thing you have ever said,
Oct 09th, 2024 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse +1The United Kingdom occupied both Chagos and Malvinas in the 19th century.
Oct 09th, 2024 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse -2Chagos is an integral part of Mauritius, the Malvinas, of Argentina.
Both are colonial situations, to the point that the first two resolutions of the General Assembly that specifically address both situations were adopted one after the other Resolution 2065 XX for Malvinas Resolution 2066 XX for Mauritius. In both cases it is a breakdown of the territorial integrity of a country.
In both cases the United Kingdom manipulated the demographic situation of the territories in question.
In both cases, the General Assembly maintained silence for several decades, which was precisely broken in 2017, when the request for an advisory opinion from the Court of The Hague was approved.
In both cases it is not about leaving the decision on sovereignty to the inhabitants of the territories in question: this corresponds to the people of Mauritius as a whole, as well as to the Argentine people.
Credits:Marcelo Kohen - Facundo Rodríguez
Manipulated the demographics did they ? just like the Argies flooded the main land with Spanish and Italian and other White people, the UN charter gives all people to have the right to self determination, you tried to block it but it was ignored, silly silly boy, the day they become independent then they will be off the silly little list, my guess 2033 and a population of 8 to 10,000 Kohen-R , really ? you really think whatever they say is valid, go take some medicine and have a nap. then come back when you can talk some sense,
Oct 09th, 2024 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it is a breakdown of the territorial integrity of a country.”
Oct 09th, 2024 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly, Argentina is barred from using “territorial integrity” as an argument. As it is a post UN law and cannot be applied retroactively.
“...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jenningsa Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994. So in spite of your typical Argentine propensity for lying your argument is shown for the fraud that it is
”It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modern prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created ‘prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law’”
Akehurst’s Modern Introduction To International Law, Seventh revised edition
Territorial integrity clause of UN Res 1514 (art.6)?
Oct 10th, 2024 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse +1Chagos Advisory Opinion stated that 1514 only applied to NSGTs.
Offers no protection to Argentina, Marv.
Do keep up.
1833, your posts are becoming more bizarre than Argie zits,
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