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Gibraltar and Foreign Office disagree on waters’ “sovereignty” or “control”
Britain and Gibraltar will use different legal arguments in challenging the European Commission’s decision to twice approve a Spanish nature site with British Gibraltar waters. While Gibraltar is focusing on British sovereignty of the waters, Britain itself has centred its case on the issue of control, reports the Gibraltar Chronicle. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThat's the problem with 18th and 19th century treaties, sometimes they lacked the degree of detail that any self respecting lawer would consider standard in the 21st. Without that detail of course, one side can later 'imagine' elelments that were never there, e.g. promises to leave
Apr 09th, 2010 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
give back gibraltar to Spain, british pirates!!!!
Apr 09th, 2010 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I shall ignore the idiot with the pirate fixations and instead quote the British Minister concerned with the issue - Chris Bryant: ”The UK does not recognise the validity of the listing of a Site of Community Importance (SCI) in British Gibraltar Territorial Waters (BGTW) by Spain since the UK is the only member state competent to propose a site covering BGTW. We are fully confident of the United Kingdom's sovereignty of BGTW...”
Apr 09th, 2010 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain's got about as much chance as Argentina has !
Jihad Jorge Ejaculated “give back gibraltar to Spain, british pirates!!!!”
Apr 09th, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Give Argentina back to the indigenous population you Spanish Pirates!!!
And whilst we are at it - Spain should give Ceuta and Melilla, across from Gibraltar, back to Morrocco. Morrocco claims them back and Spain refuses. Such is Spanish hypocrisy with regard to Gibraltar - anyone remember Spains response to the Parsley Island incedent? They sent in the gunships to retake a tiny bit of rock off the coast of Morocco!!
Very easy to make a claim, but hard to actually enforce it when you are too impotent to do anything about it ....... this applies to both Argentina in respect of the Falkland Islands, and Spain in respect of Gibralter ... even the EU would be unable to enforce the SCI in the face of Gibralterian / Naval gunboats !
Apr 09th, 2010 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@#5
Apr 09th, 2010 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct - it is easy to make a claim but harder to enforce it. In many ways I feel that both Spain and Argentina make these claims knowing that, even though they know deep down that they are weak claims, they hope that they can profit from them in other ways on the international scene. By hindering political and economics and hoping to sway things in their favour.
In many ways - both Argentina and Spain know that, if they did get Gibraltar or the Falklands, it would open up a can of worms for them as they have territory that is disputed. It would make it harder for them to deny those claims upon them.
3. LOL
Apr 09th, 2010 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are gonna get what you deserve one day!
4. Give britain to celts.
Ireland to irelanders
Ireland people hate you!!!! No wonder why!
5. Difficult to inforce it when you have a country like yours that only understands policy of weapons and wars.
But your time is ending!!!!!!!!!!! What a lovely process!!!!!!
You will know what international law means then!
6. 5. is not right.
Jorge in #7 wrote a lot of nonsense. Look at the history of the Celts Jorge. A lot of it isn't what you think. By the way - with regard to Ireland. Did you know that the Irish past isn't that innocent? Did you know that they used to take people from the British mainland as slaves? That was long before anything the British are said to have done.
Apr 09th, 2010 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell you what - give Argentina back to the indigenous people. Give back the land you stole in your genocidal Conquest of the Desert. As I have said - you really are on no position to make a claim to the moral high ground.
Jorge - a question for you. Do you think that Spain should give Ceuta and Melilla, across from Gibraltar, back to Morrocco. Morrocco wants them back - should Spain agree and hand them back?
Apr 09th, 2010 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 08. Irish hates you because you killed many of their children, the entire world knows about that.
Apr 09th, 2010 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0They know what oppression means, that's why many many many of them supports our claim. More over they have a band which sings a song in honour to our William Brown.
We will discuss our rights on Patagonia the day other state claims it. That hasn't happened yet. No one asked us to give back anything. You cannot do it since didn't inhabit these lands. Indigenous people is not claiming, I don't see them. I live in Patagonia (ex-desert).
Malvinas is a different case. You have a country that has been claiming since 1833 and turn a deaf ear.
9. I don't know, I didn't read about that. I cannot know everything for god sake!!!!!!!!!
Jorge - “ .... I don't know, I didn't read about that. I cannot know everything for god sake!!!!!!!!! ...”
Apr 09th, 2010 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0And there was I thinking that jorgy boy was an expert on the history of colonialism and currently disputed territories ............ just a spurt then :-)
Jorge wrote “We will discuss our rights on Patagonia the day other state claims it. That hasn't happened yet.”
Apr 09th, 2010 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That might have something to do with the fact that it was a near genocidal Conquest of the Desert. Difficult to claim if they are dead.
Jorge wrote “They know what oppression means”
as did the indigenous population of South America. As I said - it is a more than a little hypocritical of you to claim the moral high ground given the history of your own country - the one you stole in your colonial past.
Jorge wrote - “ .... I don't know, I didn't read about that. I cannot know everything for god sake!!!!!!!!! ...”
Apr 09th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is easy to check. I think that you are not wanting to answer rather than not knowing anything about it. It was the same Spanish that stole the land that you occupy now.
“Malvinas is a different case. You have a country that has been claiming since 1833 and turn a deaf ear.”
Apr 10th, 2010 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is not true Jorgebobo. You dropped your claim in 1850. The current Argentine claim has no basis and will ultimately be unsustainable.
You Argentines could actually learn from the Spanish. The Gibraltarians have been included in the trilateral forum. There is a lot more co-operation now, which has actually benefited the Campo de Gibraltar very much. Spain is finally realising that self determination cannot be ignored.
Jihad Jorge is now going on about Gibraltar! it is an interesting case that he and Argentina could see this as an example of how to benefit from having good relations with a self-determining British Overseas Territory. The Spanish have realized that the Gribraltans want to maintain British and so despite still symbolically claiming the territory they decide to engage in collaborative activity for the benefits of all involved. The Argentines and Jorge the Talib have clearly not at an appropriate evolutionary stage to see how this could work for them! Btw Jorge, should Spain hand back it's enclaves in North Africa to Morrocco, despite the fact that the inhabitants wish to remain Spanish?
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