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Brazil Furious with Argentine “Scare Practices” Threatens Trade Retaliation
Brazil is seriously considering retaliation against Argentina for new rules restricting food imports which allegedly compete directly with Argentine production. EU ambassadors in Buenos Aires made a similar presentation before the Argentine congress earlier this week. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBrazil is the 500 pound gorilla of the Mercosur, and with their large subsidies financed with petro-dollars, they can flood any market in the Mercosur. When I lived in Bolivia they flooded it iwith cheap sugar and almost crashed the local ability to produce sugar cane.
May 15th, 2010 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it me or is Argentina picking fights with states 100 times more powerful than itself?
May 15th, 2010 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0We had a trade war China over Soya, and now a trade war Brazil and threats of a trade war with the EU?
@Rhaurie,
May 15th, 2010 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you surprise? Weak countries cannot do that, Brasil before been a emerging power also was doing this all the time, US do this all the time, Europe, China.
We are not like Britain that needs to import everything even money now to keep its economy alive.
If you are and independent nation you can do that and certainly would be a fair arrangement with Brazil.
I cannot say the same with the Europeans we don’t need them.
C'est la vie.
Did you see the Danny Bhoy performance in Australia?
ZAAAASSS en toda la jeta!!!
May 15th, 2010 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. Rhaurie, didn't you know? we're probably the most argumentative and dissident society in south america. Everybody is treading on our heels, robbing our territoríes, stealing our rights,threatening our economic integrity........
May 15th, 2010 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will back down, they can't afford to limit imports of food. Food inflation is running 20-40% depending on the products and they are already running out of sugar in some stores in BA this won't last long.
May 15th, 2010 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that right? Argentina is in the midst of political and economic crisis? Goody! Revolution, anyone?
May 15th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmmm..subsidies with Petro Dollars? Bubba, where are you from huh? You confuse yourself with Venezuela who killing itself by throwing away Petro Dollars and with EU and US/Canadian Subsidies (funded by our tax dollars, what is a crime). Brazil has no subsidies, but they do give their businesses “tax credit” that makes them work more efficient. Argentina, can't do that, because they don't have the money for those programs and are simply protectionists who are destroying their pesos, by creating/adding inflation..of course in the “books” you won't read that, but hey, those che idiots believe everything even their own lies. The Smart argies are gone or still live there but their money is outside the country and have a second home somewhere else if they really need the get hell out of there. Brazil will eventually win this battle, because it's what fredbc types..they can't afford to limit import foods! Their production isn't sufficient enough thanks to their government grabbing and big spending, keep on running deficits and keep on borrowing to fund it..while Brazil is gaining by taking your hard assets (they don't want your lousy pesos)..laugh. Oh well..some people might think...hey that's also happening the great USA. Yep it does, is it the end of the world? nope, after we crash, the sun will rise and will be fine and have a bigger chance to have a small government, lower taxes and and more freedoms. I hope we still have Disney world (so long the Chinese don't own it). The Che idiots could do the same thing after they defaulted in 2001, but no, they still want everything for free..that's why they are still Che idiots and never move up or become prosperous like Chile, or even Peru and will never match with their biggest rival, Brazil, who will always dominate them in a nice way of course (That's what's happening now).
May 15th, 2010 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil would also be more than happy to enter into a refining deal with the eventual oil producers that extract raw crude from the Falkland Islands waters.
May 15th, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the vocal support has remaind vocal with no written and ratified resolution at the recent South America nation group hug meeting. Pity really as Argentina could do with the business but they have a habit of making life uncomfortable for private enterprise, much to the average Argentine's detriment. Politicians ehh?
There is no any ofitial report yet about a soposed restriction for some products, then, it's just a mediatic speculation.
May 16th, 2010 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, for all those imbecills who like to predict economic catastrophes for my country all the time, i would like to tell you that we are growing since 2003 with a hight level of inflation, it's a an important problem wich the government does not want to recognize, however our salarys increased everyyear even during the crisis, we didn't lost our capacity to consume in absolute, private stadistics affirm this theory too.
Beside our central bank has more than 48 thousand millions dollars to stop any stampide in the price of the dollar, we wont have any hiperinflation like in 1989, our reserves are enough to controll the dollar, i repeat that even the private stadistics hold this assertion too, i must say that i dont believe in our indec neather, that's why i recur all the time to the private stadistics.
Beside since the nationalization of our pension sistem, we lost more than 40000 thousands millions dollars, however our economy didn't colapse, in others times of the country, for much less than this, a couple of presidents had to anticipate their out of the government.
Obviously we are not disnayland, or a developed nation like some idiots say, we still have many serious problems, but in many aspects our situation improuved.
On the other hand, for all those who are so in love with brasil, chile, peru, etc etc, and underestimate our achievements, i will tell you that a few days ago, i could read an exhaustive inform about the social situation of argentina made by private stadisctic that are oponent to the government, affirmed that we have the lowest social unequality since 1986, beside that inform compared our sitation with all the rest of the latin countrys, and it finally said that argentina is again the equalest nation from latin america, it had lost that place in 1994 with all the regresive policys from menem and others.
As always this little arrogant american talking sh*t.
May 16th, 2010 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicholas, What beach are you gonna visit this summer in Miami???
Be carefull with the stain in the sea. LMAO
@jorge
May 16th, 2010 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arguing with the American is like talking to a trained monkey Banana, banana, wanna, wanna.
They really believe they own crap feeding by their crap media. The junk food also contributes to the problem the fat and the lot of sugar they get every day produce problem in their brain.
But you know they really believe that they have the better system in the world. You have to be stupid to think that way.
And don’t miss this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teM4T3TylFc&feature=related
They cannot recognize Australia in the map ha ha amazing.
American health service the crap of the crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teM4T3TylFc&feature=related
yet, you critsize the yanks, but your country is not even in the same league as them, you say the yanks are fat, and stupid, wich is partly true, but then they do have one of if not thee most powerful country in the world, whos power dwarfs your little argentine joke of a nation, i remember your mrs kirchner only last month trying to be all arse buddies with hillary clinton,
May 16th, 2010 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oi nicodine, same can be said for your lot, arguing with an argentine is like arguing with a cave man in clothes, all you lot no what to say is, “ohhhhhh nooooo las malvinas nooooooo” followed by jumping up and down banging your heads and swinging your sabres or clubs in your case,
at least america has moved on since their revolution, and done something to get them world status, (not all of wich i agree with but thats my opinion)
what has argentina ever done? fuckkk alllll
Nicholas, Brazil uses their petro dollars the same way any other oil exporting country.. do you think the Ethanol they sell really is that cheap? They use petro money to gain hard currencies.. that is the way of the world. Scream protecionist all you want, but the only imperial power in the hemisphere, yes Brazil snatched land from most of her neighbors, subsidizes or dumps things like their aircraft exports, paper products, copper, orange juice, sugar and staples. This, all the while filing hundreds of suits against other countries to protect their internal production of clothing, consumables and durable goods. Dumping is defined by selling or exporting products at a cost less than production. To do this the government must make up the differences, this coming from taxes and its currency reserves garnered from petro exports. By the time my company imports our products into Brazil, we have paid import duty, customs fees, and special taxes to the tune of 52% of the value CIF. This is standard on any import that may, operative word may, be produced locally. There are custom mills and foundries that stand idle, but because the capacity is there, albeit not able to meet our qaulity standards, we pay addtional import duty..
May 17th, 2010 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nico: Do you think posting from youtube is showing your intelligence?
May 17th, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would guess the number of patents issued is a good way to see which country is more intelligent http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/cst_all.htm Argentina is pretty far down the list.
And yes our system is superior to yours, why don't you show me some statistics where Argentina beats the US and try to use something reliable and not youtube.
For Jorge I would rather swim in Miami than anywhere in your filthy country http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/cst_all.htm
Buba, Brazil has no Petro dollars and doesn't use subsidies, they give tax credits, something what other nations cannot afford, like for example the republic of che idiots or those indians (just like in che idiot republic) in Bolivia or Paraguay. Brazil an emperial power? Lol, yes in soccer. You must be a Bolivian, yeah that is a place to dump your products for a good price what is affordable for those poor indians.
May 17th, 2010 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NicoDin and GDR, are true che idiots, just like gay Axel and jihad Jorge.
Oh by the way Jorge, South Beach Miami is the atlantic ocean, not a sea, you moron.
Miami, Miami ah! this place full of people that dance salsa and Speak an estrange language mixture of Spanish and low English ?
May 17th, 2010 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgiYVhiMjyY
Why the american idiot (NICHOLAS) had to appear again?.
May 17th, 2010 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless i admit i'm gay, i have allways done it, maybe you should admit it too, come on nicky, get out of the closet, i did it when i was 14, i'm 28 years old now, and i'm so happy.
hahaha Nicho, comon!!! Get out of the closet, do not pretend you'd like to be in Playboy's mansion. LOL
May 18th, 2010 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0P.D.: Don't smoke near the beach! Laughs!
Fredbdc, I prefer our beachs than yours, you have there too much stupid people from all around the world. Just imagining to be near to people like Nicho, aaaaawe disgusting!!!
I see this thread has degenerated to it's usual high standards.
May 18th, 2010 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0FREDBDC, the only one filthy idiot is you, you work all the time to confirm it, it would not sorprises me, if you and moron nicholas are the same guy, you repeat the same crap than him, you only forget to say, republic of che idiots.
May 18th, 2010 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About your health sistem, i have no dout that your sistem is better than ours, your comparison is pathetic, you can compare the u.s.a with argentina, your country is the most powerfull nation of the world, and it has a hight quality of life, my country is a development nation, it joins the group of the countrys with hight human development, but it's imposible that it's compared with the u.s.a.
The only one aspect that is better in my country than in yours, is that in argentina, every poor people, or all those who dont have any social safe, can be treated free in our public hospitals, and they can get free medicines, because there is a plan for then, beside the medicines of hiv are totally free for everyone in argentina, every medicines are paid by the ministery of health, anyway the public hospitas are allways colapsed, but the level of the profesionals is admirable and recognized by many countrys, in fact so many people comes to argentina from foreign countrys, specially those from the border, to be operated, and they dont pay absolutly anything, THE HEALTH SISTEM IS NOT A BUSSINES FOR MOST US, IT'S A RIGHT.
If you want to know about the true stadistics of argentina, i made a commentary about it, in this page, it's the number 11, you will find there stadistics from the private sector.
gay Axel Arg, Nothing is for free and important Health care isn't a right, but a privilege. That means, you have to take your own responsibility, but since you socialists lovers want everything for free and enjoy cheating the system (what never works), your nation will always be on the spot where it always was..down under or above in the list of defaulting nations. By the way, everything what you typed about your growing economy can be easy debunked. A good one for you here..Economies don't grow with inflation going up. But oh well, since you're one of the che idiots who believes it's own phony propaganda and from the government, it's a waste of time to educate you and your che idiot friends here. Have a nice daygay che idiot, stay stupid...Laugh.
May 19th, 2010 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Nicholas by the way your nation US was one of the fist nation to entered in default 1834 and 1933 and the next would be 2012. oh! gosh you are a default nation more than us. Welcome to Banana Republic Disneyland mate. All the world economic crisis started in US. Economies don't grow with inflation going up you said. YOU wrong mate all economies grow with inflation you have been done this for so long. Are you stupid of you didn't can afford to pay your loans for your scholarship? I hope the second for you own good so we can teach you how to be educated and more smart. Cheers.
May 19th, 2010 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@axel arg
You surely never have been in USA mate.
The health service in USA is one of the worst in the world and worse than the Argentinean.
If you don’t have money you are not covered by any means a finger re-implant that you can get for free in a public Argentina’s hospital in USA cost U$s 12.000 to U$s 25.000 for each finger
A heart operation will cost more than U$s 600.000 if you are not covered. And to be covered you have to buy an insurance plan. Like “obra social privada” in Argentina and they are very expensive.
This are prices like in Hospitals with the quality of Fernandez in Buenos Aires.
Why do you think in US there are 50 million people without any coverage?
Why do you think Americans go abroad to find better and cheap health service?
They are not UK that has an acceptable health service free like here.
An acceptable insurance coverage (Private obra social) cost in US U$s 320 per month.
UP middle class people get ruined in US if they got a chronic disease.
See the documentary made by Moore about the health service in USA and later come back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shN__fmTCP4&feature=PlayList&p=9371195A1405AA24&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1
regards,
Axel: All I can say about Argentina's free health care and schooling is you get what you pay for! You forget I lived there, have you ever been to the US? Have you ever been to one of our Hospitals? I went to a Hospital while I was living in BA, I had a piece of glass in my foot, it was gross, paint peeling on the walls, dirty old floors, old old old equipment it was scary and I left. Believe me there is not anyone from the USA going to Argentina for a heart transplant. We have kings and presidents coming to the MAYO Clinic to get treated for cancer, big operations or problems and lots of Canadians because they can't get treated at home.
May 19th, 2010 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico: Go away retard, if you can't read and only watch youtube you need to stop posting. You posts are neither funny nor informative.
“Argentina’s public health system has all but collapsed,” says Nicolea. “People who do not have social security or health coverage with BMM pay US$ 50–150 per month for prepaid medical services. Most of our clients cannot afford this amount because they earn around US$ 500 per month.” http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/1/08-030108/en/index.html
@ fredbdc
May 19th, 2010 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Every time I hear Bush on the TV saying that, “The United States has the best healthcare system in the world,” I just laugh now. Its such a lie. We could solve the medicare crisis tomorrow by sending all our old people to Argentina. Clearly the people in charge of healthcare here have found a way to treat people cost effectively.” American Expat
http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/2005/04/health-insurance-in-argentina.html
What the F@.. you get with $50 backs a months? How much is the high maximum payout of this crap?
Have you ever bought an insurance policy? Of you are among the 50 m?
You are so ignorant mate we have the most prestige places in the world people from Europe, US, etc come here for High quality transplants and by pass operations in places like Fundación Favaloro.
Allow me to explain you who was Dr. Rene Favaloro.
Dr. Favaloro an Argentinean doctor born in La Plata (now is dead), was a cardiac surgeon who created the technique for coronary bypass surgery. Also became the first surgeon to perform a coronary bypass surgery on a patient suffering from Coronary artery disease in the world (aorto-coronario) 1967.
He also founded the Favaloro Fundation in Buenos Aires in 1975. And his foundation provides free heart transplants, bypass, surgery or whatever is need for free to anyone that is not able to pay (poor).
You will get the best in the world for free much better than your famous Cleveland clinic (USA).
http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/2005/04/health-insurance-in-argentina.html And also has a university to train doctors.
Dr. Leota from Entre Rios (Argentina) inventor of the first total artificial heart in the world.
http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/2005/04/health-insurance-in-argentina.html
We also have private insurance coverage (our system is a mixture) and the start for 15 US dollars (crap)
US Health Insurance quotation:
Total Cost Health Insurance Option 1 ($ / Year) 3,800.00
Monthly payments $ 316,66
Who do you want to convince?
Not much to say
Nico: You are a delusional and probably a retard. We give our old medical equipment to Argentina so it doesn't go to waste.
May 19th, 2010 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bnd.com/2009/06/13/806432/scott-air-force-base-helps-deliver.html if you can read.
The american idiot (NICHOLAS) says:
May 19th, 2010 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing is for free and health care isn't a right, it's a privilege.
I could not wait nothing more fascist from a moron like you, with your point of view, all those people who does not have any social safe, should die and that's all, thank god we are all very diferent, accept it or not, the pain and the deseases are the same for everyone, i would like to know what would you say, if you loss your job, and you are diagnosticated of cancer, take the place of the millions of people in your country who does not have any social safe, anyway i dont think that you can understand it with that fucking mentality that you have.
About our economy, i repeat that i never take the words of the government, because it's not so reliable, i only take into account the private stadistics.
In spite of your repugnant fascist posture that you have, we are still waiting for you nicky, come on get out of the closet, like ricky, you are gonna be happyer. GAY AXEL HERRERA REYES.
@ fredbdc
May 20th, 2010 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are amazing mate Your “Washington University in St. Louis” donated a MRI equipment
to an American/ Argentinean Doctor based on Missouri (US) to carry out his own private research on 30 aborigines in the middle of nowhere in Salta’s mountain and you Title is:
“We give our old medical equipment to Argentina so it doesn't go to waste.”
So here my American Style headlines in respond your crap you will luv it:
Argentina’s tones of food and potable water just arrived to US soil to help the poor population left on their own by the Bush administration arguing lack of funds and poor organization to assist the Katrina disaster.
Argentina also dispatches to US an elite team of bilingual mental health professionals to assist the victims and their families.
Are we not so cute?
Poor Americans they use to be a wealthy country some time ago and now has become a crappy thing.
I don’t know why people in the world hate us?
May be coz we are so rich, a super power, white a so European and intelligent?
Well doesn’t matter rally I was well educated to be generous, to follow the bible, help my next mate and to be very cosmopolitan to understand the world as its. The way our founder fathers used to be.
That is the reason why I also speak so many languages, from countries like Ohio, Indiana, Miami and Oregon. I have to confess that I’ve found very difficult to learn the language from Boston and to understand these funny people from Britain. They should learn some English by the way.
Lol.
FREDBDC, you keep understanding just what you want as usuall.
May 20th, 2010 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told you that i know perfectly about the state of our health sitem, what you say is true, our buildings are old, and they are allways collapsed, but in spite of the terrible deficiences of our sitem, all the poor people, or all those who dont have any social safe, can be cured or operated, in our public hospital, beside all of then can get free medicines there, because there is a plan for those people, it does not happen in your country, on the other hand accepted it or not, THE HEALTH SISTEM IS NOT A BUSINESS, IT'S A RIGHT, AND IT'S FOR ABSOLUTLY EVERYONE.
I really hope that the reform to your sistem is finally sanctioned by your congress, that will change the life of many millions of people in the u.s.a.
I would like to know, what would you say, if you loss your job, you have no many to pay your social safe, and you are diagnosticated with cancer, if it happenes to me, i know that i wont have problems, because i will be cured or operated in any of our hospitals, and i will get all the medicines that i need. AXEL HERRERA REYES.
Axel: What you don't understand is in the USA a hospital can not turn away a patient in an emergency they will be treated. Most local governments also have wellness centers for other medical problems. This is never talked about in the international/liberal media.
May 20th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have a fundamental disagreement on what we would consider human rights. I don't think the Obama health plan will ever be put into action. It is too socialist for the US , most people don't like it or want it. I am sure it will be dismantled after the 2012 elections. Government run healthcare dives up costs and drives out innovation. It not like you see a lot of new medical technology coming out of Mexico do you?
Nico: Provide a link for your Katrina rant, I don't think we allowed any people or products in from Argentina or anywhere else. From what I remember I think you offered and we turned it down. You are also very uninformed on what really happened in NOLA and it is too long a story to get into here. Basically you can blame the local government for the mess, they took federal money to fix the levees and didn't do it and then they did not allow the federal government permission to enter their territory for a long time. We have laws and procedures here that have to be followed and they didn't do it so their people suffered. Take a look at what happened in Mississippi during Katrina, MS is a well organized state they didn't have near the problems NOLA had and it never gets into the news.
FREDBDC, If all your people can have acces to the health sistem, that's a great news, on the other hand i dont know if the reform to the sistem is to much socialist or not for the u.s.a., the point is that millions of people in your country dont have any social safe, but if you assure that all those people can be treated in the hospitals, that's fair.
May 20th, 2010 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect you vition about the human rights, but i dont agree in absolut, the health sistem must be for everyone, you still didn't answer my question, what would you think, if you loss your job, and you have no many to pay your social safe, and you are diagnosticated of cancer, dont you think that for a human reason you should bes treated free in the public hospitals, i really think so, becaue i take the place of those people who dont have the same benefits than me, beside i dont know what could happen to me in the future, maybe some day i live that situation too, and i will need to be treated in the public hospital free, because i have no money.
Beside what kind of liberal media are you talking about?, that's just a joke, the media in the whole world is only funtional to economic interests, the independent media does not exist, it omit information all the time, that's why when i inform my self, i do it with all those chanels that are against the government, and those that soport it, after i heard then i have my conclutions.
AXEL.HERRERA REYES.
Axel: If I was destitute and needed medical care I would probably be covered under Medicaid by the Federal government. It is free insurance for very poor people. I don't know all the rules but I know it automatically cover kids up to 18, pregnant women, people with severe disabilities from birth without an age or income verification.
May 20th, 2010 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 48M estimated uninsured is mainly made of of people who choose not to have insurance, it's about 3% of our population, 12M don't qualify for something. http://risch.senate.gov/public/?p=BreakdownoftheUninsured
Nicolas, back on subject.. Braspetro, Known as petrobras in the markets, earned more money than any other in South America.. Where the blue hell does the govt financing come from? Petro Dollars..
May 20th, 2010 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@fredbdc
May 22nd, 2010 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Bush praised Kirchner ... and expressed gratitude for Argentina's assistance to the United States ... Hurricane Katrina. The hurricane, ... caused widespread devastation.”...
“PRESIDENT BUSH: I also want to thank you, Mr. President, for sending the “White Helmets” .These were people that came down, health specialists to help some of our folks deal with the devastation caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. It was a gesture of grand friendship”
http://montevideo.usembassy.gov/usaweb/paginas/598-00EN.shtml
What is the White Helmets?
Is an arm of the “White Helmets Commission” and depends on the “Argentine Ministry of Foreign Affairs” with headquarters in Buenos Aires and together with UN, works closely with the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) and the United Nations Volunteers (UNV).
Performs domestic and worldwide humanitarian aid, delivery food supplies, medicine, doctors, Mobil, hospitals, engineers and volunteers etc. Including for Katrina and Rita Hurricanes in US.
http://montevideo.usembassy.gov/usaweb/paginas/598-00EN.shtml
http://montevideo.usembassy.gov/usaweb/paginas/598-00EN.shtml
Here the Official report 2003/2007 look for MISIONES DE EMERGENCIA HUMANITARIAS INTERNACIONALES below says “Llegada Nueva Orleans” means arrival to New Orleans (USA).
http://montevideo.usembassy.gov/usaweb/paginas/598-00EN.shtml
And you said “You are bad informed”. Am I?
See you later
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