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Timerman reaffirms Argentina’s ““unrenounceable” Falklands/Malvinas claim
The United Nations Decolonisation Committee unanimously approved a resolution calling on Argentina and the United Kingdom to ensure the dialogue process and resume negotiations for a peaceful solution to the Falklands/Malvinas question. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAfter the meeting a little conspirational gathering between selected members of the gargantuan Argentine delegation and the ambassadors of Chile, Uruguay, Brazil was held.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Without revealing too much I can say that the intention of those “Rouge States” is the colonisation of the South Atlantic Islands and the subjugation of their aboriginal populations.
Much the same as last year then ......, well I suppose that's it for a while unless any news comes in from the rigs?
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Starting to get repetative, aint it :-)
Interesting oil news from the South Atlantic.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/24/ascension-island-oil-exploration
Yes the oil rigs news hoyt
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK's attempt to claim more of the seabed around Ascension Island for oil exploration has been blocked by the UN The United Kingdom's attempt to claim 200,000 square kilometres of the south Atlantic seabed around Ascension Island for mineral and oil exploration has been unexpectedly dismissed by a United Nations panel of experts.”
Now, I've been rething my position on the C-24 having done a little research into what they're really about. I didn't know that C-24 has a whole range of responsibilities other than declonozation as is fitting with their status and abilities. Outer space, for example.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now looking at it from their point of view it must be bloody annoying for real people from one of the 'colonies' on the list to turn up and tell you that they are, in fact, very happy and would like to stay the way they are. Damned inconvenient in fact. I mean, who do they think they are .... bloody impertinence, particularly as the Committee had a chat before lunch and sorted it all out. Nice and neat too. And now these buggers come along and try to interfere ..... the cheek of it!
No wonder that the C-24 has to repeat its bland resolution every year with bloody real people turning up. Ha
It's quite ironic how Argentina keeps taking this issue to c-24, when the sole reason they was set up was to help people gain independance, when Argentina wants the total opposite.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina's claim is 'unrenounceable' that doesn't leave any room for the 'negotiation' that they are demanding ....? So one cancels out the other and therefore .... the status quo remains ... hey, another day, another dollar!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2010/gacol3212.doc.htm
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had a look at this Ascension thing and I would like you to note that -
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) it'll go to Appeal,
b) the waters are so deep around the island that there is no currently known method of exploration, and
c) there are no other claimants anyway!
You boys have some kind of fixation with The Guardian!
Hoy the Guardian like their government tells them what they want to hear it's a pity they can't seem to find anything beyond those four articles to support their claim.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco please state the relevance of Ascension island to the Falklands, unless your govt is deciding that too must be an integral part of the Argentine republic by virtue of once being seen by an Argentine?
Since you like The Guardian which is by the way a British newspaper
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2010/gacol3212.doc.htm
Sorry Marco where does it say sovereignty should be yours?
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0In essence that's a carbon copy of 44 other C-24 meetings really.
Rhaurie, if you are so sure the islands belong to you ,why are you rejecting peacefully negotiations beteween all parties involved in this matter.And I do not believe is just a carbon copy, this time there is a regional strong support including ,quitely, US. And I do believe oil exploration, specially after the disaster of British Petroleum in the US and sending a nuclear sub to the area back fire big time.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Marco: The reason the Islanders reject negotiation is because in 1982 the Argentines invaded their homes & put guns to their heads & their children's heads & threaten them with execution if they did not obey them & accede to incorporation into the Argentine state by force.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina still requires the Islanders subjugation into the Argentine state, so the Islanders cannot accept such threats
Thus after being subjugated by violence by Argentina, the Islanders decided they no longer wished to negotiate with Argentina after being freed according to UN SCR 502. This is the main reason why they refuse to participate in 2065(XX), rather deciding to exercise their right to self-determination passed in resolution by the General Assembly of the United Nations, 89-0, in resolution 1514(XX)
Argentine propaganda is highly disturbing because it distorts the the truth so badly & introduces many falsehoods, which are disproved by the actual facts of the historical records. It truly is shameful that a so-called democracy employs the techniques of Nazi propaganda, however I suppose this is to be expected given Argentina's long history of fascist military dictatorships. Sadly, Argentina's behaviour & demand for territorial expansion is the same as Nazi Germany's in the 1930s. Fortunately Germany underwent a denazification programme after World War II, but sadly Argentina did not & much of its current policy is derived from the myths of the fascist indoctrination that began in WWII to manipulate the population for the policy of territorial expansion.
I do not understand AR's claim of expulsion of the AR population in 1833, when the plain facts of the historical show that all 26 peoples of all nationalities remaining from the Vernet settlement were asked if they wished to continue living on the Islanders & 22 chose to stay, whilst 4 went to BA. The Settlement of Convention ended all existing differences in 1850, the dispute was once resolved
Use of Papal Bulls is laughable.
#8 Marco, thanks for the link - I'm a collector. The Cuban newsagency says there are 44 so I've a way to go yet before I have the full. But tell me, Cuban support - is that a good thing?
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0#11 Apparently The Guardian IS a British newspaper although sometimes it's hard to tell. It's not a very well read one, you'll find somewhere its circulation figures ... mostly read by Argentines apparently! Maybe they should move :-)
“ ... if you are so sure the islands belong to you ,why are you rejecting peacefully negotiations beteween all parties involved in this matter ...”
We tried that Marco but the Argentine side did not want the FIG involved and only had one result that they would accept ... end of negotiations. No point expending time and money on a process that is doomed to failure before it starts. Much more important things to be getting on with, viz “British Children Getting Fat” (Daily Mail, “factory farm Revolution” (The Independent), “ A Nation of Savers..” (The Telegraph), Kaiser Chief Is So Stupid” (The Sun) ..... I have no idea what the last one is about, but there's not much of a headline about the C-24 this morning. Is there? Even you Guardian is on about 'Budget Cuts'.
Old news is no news :-)
Oh, nearly forgot Marco ... your regional support ain't worth a bag of beans.
Well Domingo and Hoyt, you guys are using the war of 30 years ago like an excuse to keep ignoring the facts. You will love to have regional strong support for your cause like we do, including Chile. Nobody supports your case, including many in your real country back in Europe.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, from where I'm standing 30 years isn't that long ..... I remember 1982 very well!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for support, well we have the support of the EU (see the Lisbon Treaty), we expressly have the support of France ('cos they've got problems of their own), we've got the support of much (not all) of the Commonwealth, even the UN General Assembly isn't getting involved ............ hey, you are right ... nobody really!
Not that it matters - we are big enough and old enough and strong enough to stand alone.
And you've really got to stop relying on the Guardian ... most of their readers don't support their writers, check out the comments section of their on-line version!
Hey this guy escape from Malvinas to seek freedom in Argentina
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml
@Marco: The facts are that the UN General Assembly voted in resolution 1514(XV) that the right of self-determination for the peoples of the Islands applies to the case of the Falklands/Malvinas
Jun 25th, 2010 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The facts are that Argentina broke peaceful negotiation with the UK by resolution 2065(XV) when Argentine used force of arms. Argentines put guns to the unarmed Islanders chests, to their wives & children & threaten to kill them in their homes if they did not genuflect themselves to their Argentine captors.
The facts are Argentina's 1982 acts of violence against the Islanders is the reason why 2065(XX) negotiations broke down & ceased. It is hugely hypocritical for Argentine to now complain to the UN & C24 that the Islanders & UK govt. (obeying FIG instruction) no longer wish to negotiate. AR violence caused this.
The facts are the 1982 war is hugely relevant. Argentina forced a war to gain its territorial expansion & was condemned by the UN & defeated by the Islanders & British.
Islanders have clearly stated:
“ our expressed, democratic wish is to remain British. It is time the Argentine Government accepted that.”
&resolution 1514(XV) that:
“Immediate steps shall be taken, in... Non-Self-Governing Territories... to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations
All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status & freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully freely their right to complete independence, the integrity of their national territory shall be respected”
There is little doubt the Argentine government & people would happily invade, kill expel the islanders, without regard for any human rights whatsoever, if they could.
Argentina should obey resolution 1514(XV).
I fear the Argetines do not understand the British at all. If we want to give you something then that's fine, but you try to take something because you think we are weak then we'll fight you till hell freezes over.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You tried and lost, twice, but on the last occassion our people died .... so you're stuffed till we are prepared to forget. But we won't forget. Not in 30 years, not in 50 years, not in 100 years.
Do you not know us yet?
Marco, thanks for the link to a DRAFT resolution. Completely meaningless...
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The worries about pollution are laughable. If the Argentines ever gained sovereignty the first thing they'd do is drill.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0How has South Georgia become inalienably Argentine? Have they just added it out of hope? What are their arguments in relation to that island?
“I wants it” (spoken in a Gollumesque voice)
I am worried they might do a Bonnie Langford
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've never been able to find an Argentine argument for South Georgia or the South Sandwich islands. Wikipedia refers to a business venture there by an Argentine company, but as they had a British lease I don't see how that counts. Other than that there is nothing. The only thing I can think of is that for a long period South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands were dependancies of the Falklands. therefore if Argentina claims the Falklands then it claims all.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bit of a nuisance us seperating them ... :-)
How can anyone take this rabble seriously?
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonization/special_committee_members.htm
Nothing different from the usual here! The same people, the same old pirate arguments......anyway,
Jun 25th, 2010 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Argentinas!
Marco did you just use Mike Bingham's website as a serious source? you are a class A Moron, you really do pick what you want to hear!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Type Mike Bingham any where else and you will find that the man was a fraud a fantasist and a liar and when people found out about that he turned to spite, have a look at his website in greater depth you will see that it is complete bullshit.
I'm not rejecting peaceful negotiations Marco, I'm rejecting the fact that you demand negotiations and then threaten bully and cajowl the Falklanders, and I do not how it is mortally right to have negotiations over their country against their will if you want to “peacefully” negotiate you speak to them first and afford them the dignified respect as a people you should as normal human beings show to others, you want their land so badly, talk to the people who know it best.
How can we negotiate peacefully with a state who has displayed psychopathic insane extremist nationalistic tendencies currently over this issue and has acted in the manner of a spoilt petulant child who is throwing a tantrum because they can't get a new toy.
Argentina should bugger off until they have matured enough to act in a rational manner instead of this screeching victimhood and spoilt child bully mentality.
The Guardian. A newspaper owned by a trust (the Scott Trust) formed for the purpose of avoiding the payment of tax. What a pedigree!!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jihad jorge is right for once, nothing is different. The Falkland Islands are self-determining British Overseas Territory and Argentina is powerless to make them anything else. Next year the same arguments will be presented to the C24 and nothing will happen.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, nothing changes and the drill bit keeps on turning
Great this might give UN some credibility lets hope UK veto power doesn't take that credibility away.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering the UN failed to prevent numerous cases of genocide in Africa (e.g Rwanda and Dafur) and was set up to prevent such occurances then it may be suggested that the UN has already failed numerous times in the credability stakes.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Great this might give UN some credibility lets hope UK veto power doesn't take that credibility away.”
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK won't even need to use it's veto. All the comittee keep saying is it would be nice if we talked about the situation. That does not mean “The islands belong to argentina” negotiation does not mean you get what you want...lol.
But it is nice to have that lovely veto in our back pocket.
This will go to the general assembly where it won't get passed. It won't go anywhere near the Security Council.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same old, same old ... number 44 in fact, which ought to tell the Argentines something ..... but I think they're too thick to listen!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In addition to the arcipelagos (Falkland/Malvinas, S. Orkneys, S. Shetlands, S.Georgias, S. Sandwich, &c) we might as well claim Robertson, Ross, Dundee, Clarence & Elephant Islands, and any surfacing rocks around these and the arcipelagos where an albatross may set foot on...
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My question is, what are we going to do with them?
“Unrenouncable” eh? Well, Timerman has certainly nailed Argentina's colours to the mast. Unfortunately, he's nailed their balls there as well!!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Harrier boy on 36, Politicians come and go the same way their words do. But I'm afraid you forgot how dear are our balls for us and how we fight to keep them in working order. Warfarewise, we may not be as technological as others are but we manage to harm with our spears. Some of us know however that this is a hard nut to crack and only Oriental patience can put us up on the wavecrest... Mors ultima linea rerum est!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still nothing from Marco. Just another Argie prat.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think self-determination is nonsense. If you plant 3000 Germans in a small little tow in UK and you ask them, where they are from, they will of course answer from Germany. They'll say we are German and we want stay German.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does this means, this little tow is part of Germany just because the people planted there say so? I don't think so.
If the people on the islands want to be in uk, then they should leave Argentina and come back home.
I don't think UK cares about the people there, that is just the excuse.
Greeting from Germany,
Martin
What a daft analogy
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Martin.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody was “planted” in the Falklands. People went there of their own free will through the decades. It's called immigration. Just like people from Spain, Italy and GERMANY went to Argentina of their own free will. The vast majority of Argentines are descendants of immigrants. By your logic, are they also “planted”? I think not...
How can the UK be “home” to a 7th or 8th or even 9th generation Falkland Islander - any more than Spain is home to a 7th generation Argentine. And nobody is suggesting all those of German descent in Argentina should go “home”.
Please do some research before you wade in with a opinion which does nothing more than make you look a bit foolish.
Ha, ha! A goodun, harrier. Not an argy part, though.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And, btw, the first UK people (who boarded the ship on their own will, lest die of hunger at their own land), left (planted) on the islands, found the place almost uninhabited thanks to the 'attrition operation' that USN pirate Captain Silas Duncan performed to safeguard the clandestine whaling and killing of seals, penguins and even foxes by the crews of a number of US ships that were caught or stopped by Argentines who, at the time, were living on this insular, South Atlantic part of their territory.
“I think self-determination is nonsense”
Jun 25th, 2010 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the second and first world wars your country was GIVEN back to your people under the rights of self determination.
100 years earlier and your country would have been split between the UK and USSR.
Still disagree with it?
At the end of the day and all the arguing the only thing that matters is who is in charge ofthe Falkland Islands and it's territorial waters. The answer is the democratically elected government of the Falkland Islands wh request the protection of the UK against a cowardly bully nation next door.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a shame that Nepal isn't on the C24 committee. Whenever the Argentines face a ghurka they wave the white flag as quick possible. How many of those state sponsored protesting veterans actually faced a ghurka?
#42 - “ .. almost uninhabited ...”
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0But not totally. Mind you size v population the islands have always been almost uninhabited. The important thing to remember is that the islands have always been almost uninhabited by British people :-)
Sadly Timerman is confirmed as a former human rights activist but still an ardent supporter of the neo-facscist policy of territorial expansion of last junta, who he supported putting into power & sustained in power as editor of La Tarde
Jun 26th, 2010 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine State's policy to dehumanise the Islanders as stateless non-persons without fundamental human rights, to demonise them as a pirate British ethnic group & scapegoats to incite public bigotry & hate against them is criminal, with the specific purpose to deny their democratically expressed choice of free association, guaranteed by the UN Charter & Resolution 1514(XV) & to steal their property, homes & to carry out mass forced deportation or to impose Argentine government, social structure & economic control against their will
I fear that because the Islanders are a different ethnic group the Argentine government is prepared to deny them their fundamental human rights under resolution 1514(XV). I for one stand against this Argentine policy & government. Taiana has refused to be complicit any more
This Argentine government has already forgotten the disappeared & total abuse by the Argentine government of their inalienable human rights
A poem to remind the political opportunist Timerman of his duty to mankind to uphold everyone's human rights, including the Islanders, even if they are an ethnic minority group in the region:
“First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialist
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me”
Timerman remember accountability: Human rights do not extend exclusive to your papá, family & friends, but to all peoples
The ICC will judge you for crimes against humanity
“I fear that because the Islanders are a different ethnic group the Argentine government is prepared to deny them their fundamental human rights”
Jun 26th, 2010 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't fear for them mate. The Royal Navy will make sure they keep their Human Rights :)
The colonist are free to go home to britain or get their legal Argenine status just like every other latin Americans does in North America, ilegal aliens have no rights or say, ilegal aliens can't vote and you all hear this colonist aren't ready to get citizenship this means their vote is irrelevant, they should off let vernet alive and today they would have a legitimate government to bad they made the wrong choice and now they will have to go back home.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet died peacefully in his sleep Vargas. You are so full of shyte!
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Avargas2001: The Islanders home are the Malvinas. Argentina does not exercise sovereignty over the Islands, rather the Islanders do, defended by their guardian, Great Britain from Argentine neo-facist nationalists & their partners in crime.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore they can ignore offensive racist bigotry and contemptuous disregard for universal human rights with immunity because their rights are guaranteed by UN Charter & resolution 1514(XV).
Those that would deny these rights, are criminals, accountable to the ICC.
to bad they made the wrong choice and now they will have to go back home
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a classic example of the Argentine malady,caused by a chemical imbalance in their brains,triggered by the word Falkland islands
Go back home, AvarGAS .... who? Who has control? Who controls reality? Why is Argentina pissing in the wind? The islands are BRITISH ... and there is not one damned thing you can do about it!
Jun 26th, 2010 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so going by what you just said avarGAS, by your exact words that you said in #48, you should be packing your bag and fucking off back to spain you illigal alien imagrent, go on, bye bye, see ya later, jog on, fuck off, your an illigal imagrent avargas, a leech on someone elses land, you dont have claim to your own country never mind OUR falklands, your a decendent of some spanish settler, hmmm wear are those indiginouse that once lived in the land you call argentina? aye? wear did they go i wonder, come on tell me avargas, i want to know,
Jun 26th, 2010 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Domingo: Sorry to have to correct you, but the Islander's home is the Falkland Islands. “Malvinas” is a name made up by Argentines.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas” is a name made up by Argentines.”
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Almost like that claim they made up for the falklands?!
:)
One thing always amuses me in this Arg fascination for the Islands - in southern Patgonia Arg Govt Officials are paid a hardship bocus to work in the sout-in comfy offices- and bonus pension fund payments. On the big sheepfarms after the najority Chilean populations you tend to see more British or AngloArgentines than Argentines ! And they have the nerve to lay claim to us aswell! About time they actually concentrated on developing and LIVING IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. And dont forget where the first livestock for many parts of Patagonia came from - the developed farms of the Falklands, at a time when Patagonia was still and empty wilderness.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey ... made into the Telegraph .... but I doubt it'll go down well with phrases like -
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... David Cameron is set to restate ”robustly“ Britain's sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in unscheduled talks with the Argentine president at the G20 gathering of world leaders...”
“He will be robust. He will make the point again that our position on the sovereignty of the Falklands has not changed and will not change.”
“ ... Last week a United Nations committee passed a non-binding resolution ...”
“ ... The US recognises Britain's ”administration“ of the Falklands, stopping short of fully endorsing its sovereignty....”
Read and enjoy :-)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7856595/No-talks-on-Falklands-David-Cameron-tells-Argentina.html
Prime Minister would starkly turn down a fresh request from Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner :-)
Jun 27th, 2010 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Slice of brick wall anyone?
I think Prime Minister Cameron should take this opportunity to educate President Kirchner about Human Rights and her UN obligations to uphold them for all peoples, even for foreign ethnic groups according to the UN Charter and Resolution 1514(XV) that Argentina voted for to apply to the Falklands.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0She should be informed tha human rights are imprescritible, irreproachable & inviolate.
She should be reminded that her actions in office & those of her government and congressmen to portray the Islanders as a non-people as a pretext to abuse their human rights is a crime against humanity, for which she & her government are indictable at the ICC along with those who are complicit in promoting this odious falsehood.
The public incitement of popular bigotry to gain support for a territorial colonialist expansion policy in the South Atlantic begun by the neo-fascist military juntas of Argentina must cease, as must the repressive measures of all kinds directed against the Islanders by the Argentines & its allies.
The message is simple and unequivocal. The Islanders are a distinct community with our own identity and separate Government. The Islanders have the right to self determination, the right to decide their own future, unhindered by any interference from any other government; and their expressed, democratic wish is to remain British.
It is time the Argentine Government accepted that.
I prefer to call it a slice of reason.
Domingo.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst I agree with nearly all you say, I feel I have to make mention of the fact that the G20 conference only lasts 2 days. This is not long enough to undertake a major re-education programme. David Cameron is smart enough to realise that re-educating a Kirchner would be like banging on a brick wall. You don't do it with your head, you do it with a Challenger 2 MBT!
Breaking News !!!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina’s Foreign Minister Timerman most popular person according to Independent British news Agency!
Minister Timerman occupies all top five “most commented” places in the MercoPress list.
Twinky.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're repeating yourself again!
So, Prime Minister Cameron tells Botox Queen, “Keep your hands off the Falkland Islands or we'll cut them off.”
I am a Brutish citizen, born and raised in Brutain and I vehemently demand an immediate retaliatory nuclear bombardment of Montevideo by the Brutish Royal Navy.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda
That’s why!
God Save the King
ve vill rule the world said Germany [false]
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we will rule the world said France [false]
we will rule the world said spain [false]
we will rule the Falklands said the argies.[false]
..................................................
we will defend and defeat any country that threatens or attacks us or any British peoples living on free land in the world said Britain. True]
we will defeat the argies said Britain [true] we will do it again, if they are stupid enough to try said Britain. True]
we will tell our people the truth say the argies [false]
time and time again we are proved the victor, and the argies the fools, wont they ever learn [no said Argentina] we never learn
59 Domingo: I quote: “The Islanders are a distinct community with our own identity and separate Government. The Islanders have the right to self determination, the right to decide their own future, unhindered by any interference from any other government; and their expressed, democratic wish is to remain British”. Argentina, its leaders and 99% of its people don't see it that way. Living in Uruguay we get the cable signal from Argentina. The History Channel is playing “Nazis in Argentina”. What an eye opener, indeed !!...No wonder these people treat their neighbors the way they do.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For us, old enough to remember the good old times!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__MJV11nRqU
63 Think: I'm totally upset with the refereeing of the Larrionda’s team. Many countries are asking for instant replay, among other things, for years now. FIFA is not longer controlled only by Brits but the world in general. In 1986 Diego Maradona got to the finals with a “hand made goal”. Eventually Argentina and the “hand of god” (the Argentineans have a church on his name and consider him a god) won the World Cup.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a South American jewish neo-nazi colonialist Chavez inspired conspiration in form of a corrupt little brownish man from Uruguay!!!!!!!!!!
Liberty, I think the Mexicans are also tending towards our way of thinking, after Tevez's first goal.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, I'm a rugby player, so I might not have the rules right but I thought you had to have at least two of the opposition (including the goalkeeper) between the receiver and the goal when a pass is made, rather than none?
Lo siento poco muchachos, vayan entregando las Islas que robaron en 1833, todo el mundo le da la razón a la Argentina, “no hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver”. Y no se preocupen, nos vengaremos por ustedes de Alemania el sabado.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0THIMC
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0After nearly 2 weeks debating in this forum I have come to the conclusion that many of you believe that:
The Malvinas Basin can just be develop as we want, Argentina can do nothing and if they don’t want to cooperate we have other options like Chile, Uruguay or Brazil.
Well........as Mr.Beef, our resident oil and investment expert always says:
Do your own research!
(I include just a few links from an ”independent” source.)
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
en.mercopress.com/2010/05/06/china-s-main-oil-corporation-closes-3.1-billion-deal-with-argentina-s-bridas
en.mercopress.com/2010/04/09/argentina-to-drill-two-wells-next-to-falklands-waters-in-last-quarter
en.mercopress.com/2009/12/10/chile-denies-any-plans-to-work-with-fogl-in-falklands-oil-exploration
en.mercopress.com/2009/07/02/ypfpetrobrasgalp-to-explore-for-oil-in-uruguayan-waters
en.mercopress.com/2009/06/09/repsol-petrobras-and-bp-to-explore-for-oil-next-to-falklands-waters
As you can read, all four countries in the region are already cooperating in substantial oil projects.
It is improbable they would risk loosing an already existing business for the sake of some “long shot” projects run by some small British oil companies.
As my Grandpapa used to say: “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”
Argentina’s political strategy is, of course, to make it economically unattractive for our neighbors to collaborate with anybody making business with Malvinas.
My honest conclusion as newly started amateur oil investment consultant is that Argentina can do plenty to upset the British development of the Malvinas Basin and that She is doing it.
A detail any potential investor should not be oblivious of.
And remember: Never invest more than you can afford to loose!
Think Oil Inc.
It's the small companys at the moment, yes. But if it turns out to be as much oil as they think is down there all the big companys will jump straight on the deal.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is free to drill as she likes, just like the falklands are.
But in all honesty there isn't much you can do about it.
It does just occur to me Think, that if, just for a laugh, we say that your economic warfare was totally successful and as a result of the hardship all the islanders left for a (not much) warmer life in the UK ...... what on earth makes you think that Britain would then give up the islands? They would after all still belong to Britain .... no?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have been British for a very long time without the oil, or the fishing licences, and even if only one islander stayed they would still remain British :-)
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0They'd still be British if no islanders remained.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many people do we have on the South Sandwich Islands?
Hell, we could leave a plaque and a flag :-)
(73) onwards
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0That will be our first step our long March of 10.000 li.
Mao
A thought for Twink. Sure you're aware of a method of drilling known as “slant drilling”. Hope your prospectors don't try it. It's easily detected.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand a common response is to torpedo the rig conducting the theft. And you know how good Brits are with torpedos.
Another Mao one for you twink
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie with hole in pocket, feel cocky
when we see the land tranfer from Vernet to britsish colonist they can claim self determination, untill then I think they are just ilegal aliens as any indocumented person on someone elses land, how come the british queen helps 3000 white ilegal alliens steal land from Argentina but will not return the land stolen from the natives in Canada, is this racism or is it justice afforded only to white people ? you can all be the judge of that, Canada is closer but yet the native land is still under the control of white's and their courts of justice who don't even care about the natives rights, but we have the british go to the otherside of the world o steal our land using 2000 pirats to do it, racism is not over, and britains has no claim to Malvinas nor do the ilegal allien pirat colony.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vargas, you seem to forget that Vernet had British permission for his ventures in the Falkland Islands. The Falklands were never part of Argentina so the islanders are not stealing them from anyone and nor are they illegal aliens.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've lost me on the Canadian thing, but before you lecture people about the rights etc of native people, just think for a second about what Argentina has done to the Tehuelche, Mapuche, Ona etc, etc...
avargas2001: Are you under the impression that the UK still runs Canada?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We didn't even expell Vernet, he was charged with piracy on bord the USS lexington.
“native land is still under the control of white's and their courts of justice who don't even care about the natives rights”
You do realise that argentina was colonised the exact same way the rest of america was, with the mass murder of the native people, you can't claim the morale high ground here when your own people did the same thing.
avargas. Are you somewhere on the North American continent? I reckon you're a wetback myself. I've seen the Rio Grande and it's not much of an obstacle.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are currently over 600 recognized First Nations governments or bands encompassing 1,172,790 2006 peoples spread across Canada with distinctive Aboriginal cultures, languages, art, and music. Could Argentina, or even Spain, claim anything similar? Nope. Both are genocidal.
But, looking back over many articles, it seems that the majority of Argentines suffer from anxiety. And the most extensive profession in Argentina is psychiatry. No doubt stems from their recognition of their basic inferiority.
Try this:-
http://linkage.rockefeller.edu/wli/reading/argentina.html
If it wasn't for that understanding, I reckon you'd be the best justification for ethnic cleansing available.
A nutter calling himself avargas2001 has just been blocked indefinitely on wikipedia for racist abuse and vandalising Falklands articles. Looks like the same guy.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We blocked him long ago....
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just fun see you guys discussing with him....
More or less same level though...
I agree, you two do possess simular traits.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, what a surprise, another Vargie trying to re-write history...
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is another one, the FIG wrote to the C24 inviting them to visit the islands for themselves, they never have, the letter went unanswered.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a farce.
I'm against war of any kind , but nobody can´t say that England (or the British Empire ) grabed the Malvinas (Falklands) by force ,back in 1883 whre there was an Argentine Governor.How do you name that? diplomacy? a corteous invitation to leave? por defenitly an act of piracy (thing that couldn`t be done in Buenos Aires in 1806 and 1807)...of couerse we do have the right to claim for the islands and the people that are there (from British ascend) can be taken back to their origins, they do not have to live under the Argentine flag.And remember they were exploited for centuries by the Falkland Company...and were considered 2º class citizens untill the war in 1982.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another Argentine with a thin grasp of history (or is it?).
Jun 29th, 2010 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you're refering to 1833. We call it -“taking our property back from invaders”
We did try the diplomatic route via our Ambassador in BA, but we were ignored.
No, you do NOT have a right to claim what is not yours and has never been yours
As for being exploited and being treated as 2nd class citizens - now there you may have a point !
You need a better grasp of history ... the internationally accepted version, not the one they teach in Argentine schools.
56 Islander1, when was the last time you visit Patagonia???
Jun 29th, 2010 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should remember Río Gallegos is just one city of Patagonia and if you take a look at other areas you'll see that british or anglobritish are just a minority declining. You are wrong again!
THIMC
Jun 29th, 2010 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I luuuuv how this journalist avoids by any means to mention the ”A” word
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/28/soccer-first-played-by-the-guarani-paraguay-according-to-the-vatican#comments
He chooses to write:
Soccer was born ....in San Ignacio Miní during the XVII century, in a region now identified as Misiones to the south of Paraguay’s capital Asunción.
He should have written:
Soccer was born ....in San Ignacio Miní during the XVII century, in a region now identified as the province of Misiones, to the north of Argentina’s capital Buenos Aires.
Anyhow..... the rest of the article is just useless Catholic South-American judeo-communist brainwash.
Everybody knows that it was the Chinese who invented Football.
The idea of kicking a ball around isn't an invention of sorts. In all honestly it's probably been around since people had ball like objects.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First mentions of it in history would be from japan, The romans used to play a game simular too. As for the modern sport of football/soccer. That was created in Britan. It was actually outlawed in Britan for a long time strangly enough.
Well, all this talk about Malvinas Oil could be soon be over if this guy is half right !!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ayyyy diós mio ... Que desastre!
www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
I'm glad I don't own any Off Shore oil shares!
Twinky has spammed twice on the same article now.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mad
Argentine
Little
Vixens
In
Neverland
As
Simpletons,[[[[ Malvinas ]]] a bye word for the brian dead who belive in fairies, lets face it, untill aregentina grows up and stops playing with her dolls, she might learn somthing about the real world,[not what big brother tells them]
jorge, Yes I realise in Rio Gallegos there are more Argentines - thats where all the Govt Departments are where they pay hardship bonuses because the south is so tough living compared to the north.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0B (ig )P (roblem)
Jun 30th, 2010 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
Some things deserve to be repeated.....
Imagine........Oil eventually reaching Europe through the Gulf Stream.
The consequences coud be quite “interesting” for the Offshore Oil industry everywhere, including Malvinas .
Quite relevant, I think.
Don’t you think?
Want to think?
So I Thought !
anyone see the game last night?
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “hand of good”
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very possibly, the B(ig )P(roblem) gusher in the north will force everybody in the Oil Industry to “seriously reconsider” their risk assessments in “special difficult places”.
With OIL out of the equation, Argentina could concentrate on the islands two other sources of revenue.
Fishery and tourism......
Fishery is nasty but simple:
The migratory patterns of all commercial species of interest are very well mapped. (thanks Dr. Arkhipkin)
The idea is to fish as much as possible along this “routes” before they reach the “Malvinas Exclusive Economic Zone”.
The “Hake case” is well known....
Most of the fishing will be licensed to foreign fleets; we don’t want our diminutive fishing industry to collapse when fish stock dwindle.
Tourism has two dimensions; Money and Value:
All the relevant Cruise Ship Lines will have to choose between Malvinas or South America...
If they want both, the S. A. port levies will be prohibitively expensive....
As most of the penguins and sea mammals will be starved or living in Argentina/Chile anyway..... ......... It’s not much point in paying 10.000 U$D for a cruise to “Pub Crawl Stanley”, see some (very nice) sheep and visit all those lovely War Memorials.
Of course Argentina is warmly in favour of the heavy Fuel Oil ban legislation in Antarctic waters too.
This will force most of the “Cheap Cruise Operators” out of the market, reducing even more the number of visitors to Malvinas
Then, we will have to find a way to get Lan Chile to re-evaluate that “uneconomical leg” to Stanley.......
So they'll either keep the money from tourism, or make the money from oil. Either way they'll still be British :)
Jun 30th, 2010 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn,
Jun 30th, 2010 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, does it never cross your mind that threats, particularly Argentine threats, don't impress anyone and are counter productive. We don't like bullie, never have, they tend to bring out the stubborn streak in his.
Carry on with that and watch your regional support evaporate, watch your own economy go down the toilet and see you in court to lose dramatically for failing in your obligations under the UN CLOS and the UN Charter.
Twinky. You're spamming again! By the way, cruise operators in the South Atlantic seem to be showing a preference for avoiding South American ports. Greedy South Americans.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Educating Rita:
Jun 30th, 2010 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin America’s current political and economic configuration can best be understood in the context of large scale changes over the past twenty years and the relative stability of the past five years.
Neo liberalism reached its maximum influence between 1976-1999. The military and civilian regimes throughout this period embraced “free market doctrines”.
By the end of the 1990’s, mass discontent was boiling over into street protests and strikes by public sector trade unions and especially in rural mobilizations.
Between 2000 – 2005 there were major popular uprisings overthrowing nearly a dozen neo-liberal presidents and several elections which led to center-left political leaders.
In Argentina 2001 – 2002, three presidents were ousted by mass movements, as banks closed, middle class savings were frozen, unemployment skyrocketed to nearly 30% and poverty levels exceeded 40%, unprecedented in this country renowned for its wheat and beef
In other contexts, center-left presidents were elected in Uruguay 2005 /2010, Paraguay 2008, Chile 2005,and Brazil 2002 /2006.
In Bolivia worker-peasant-Indian revolts ousted two presidents, leading to the election of center-left parliamentarian, coca farmer and Indian leader Evo Morales in 2005.
In Venezuela President Chavez was briefly overthrown by a US backed military-business junta and restored in 48 hours by a popular mass movement in April 2002.
Contrary to historical experience the world economic crises of 2008 – 2010 did not strike Latin America as the rest of the world in part because of financial controls established after the neo-liberal crash of 2000 – 2001 and because of their diversified economic ties with Asia, namely China which continued to grow at 9% in 2009 and 11% in 2010.
Nasty I know but the islanders could put a stop to the relatives visiting that little piece of land that is forever Argentinas
Jun 30th, 2010 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0104 Stick up you junta - “Nasty I know but the islanders could put a stop to the relatives visiting that little piece of land that is forever Argentinas”
Jun 30th, 2010 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be sinking to their level.
The Argentine government may be acting like a small petty child, but the Falkland Islanders are bigger than that, and I am sure they will continue to welcome the relatives of the fallen from both sides of the conflict.
Argentina has lost all the arguments over the falklands, and are just crying over spilt milk . they are only sucking up to the brazilians because they are frightend of them,
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