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Lula da Silva will continue to openly support Dilma’s presidential campaign
Brazilian president Lula da Silva who insists in campaigning for the incumbent presidential candidate Dilma Rousseff, in spite of electoral regulations, revealed that the country’s ‘coup elite’ tried to remove him from office. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFour great South Americans “terminated” by, as J. K. Rowling would write, “You Know Who” ................
Jul 31st, 2010 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Death QEPD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Death QEPD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Death QEPD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Death QEPD
The list is longer... much longer....
Lula and Dilma where in that list....
They wear the scars on their bodies...
Lula is correct. Against Vargas and Goulart there was immense media pressure: both presidents were denigrated the same way Lula was denigrated by national press ever since he took office in 2003.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This is the first time in recent history of such a tight presidential race”
This! Just yesterday, a polling institute, the IBOPE, showed Rousseff was 5% ahead of Serra: 39% against 34%. Why doesn't Mercopress publish this? These numbers clearly corroborate those of the Vox Populi research - which found 41% vs 33% in favour of Dilma - rather than the ones showed by Datafolha, which put Serra slightly ahead (37% vs 36%).
The left, communist, socialist, populist political parties fix democracies according to their goals. It doesn’t matter what the Law and the Constitution of a particular country says, they only care how to bend it, break it, to get to power. Lula’s Brazil, Argentina’s Kirchners, Uruguay’s Frente Amplio, Venezuela’s Chavez, Bolivia’s Evo. Only Honduras had removed former president, Manuel Zelaya for trying to change the Constitution. Bravely took and fought international pressure against all odds.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Liberty,
Jul 31st, 2010 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand and accept that you have a political-ideological bias against leftist presidents.
But please, if you want to make comments on a country's regime, inform yourself first.
Lula did not, and has not tried to, alter our Constitution. He will step out of power by 2011, and he has not tried to change that.
Who DID change the Constitution for it to allow a reelection, was ex-president Fernando Henrique Cardoso, who ruled the country from 1995 until 2002 with a RIGHT-wing coalition. And CARDOSO was successful in doing that - in changing our Constitution - because he BOUGHT votes from Congressmen.
For the US-led international community, that was alright. After all, Cardoso was their man. Cardoso was a pro-American, neoliberal president.
But had Lula tried to do the same, he would be demonized as being just another Chávez wannabe.
I repeat, Liberty: before commenting on any matter, inform yourself first!
4 Forgetit87:
Jul 31st, 2010 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, I appreciate your response; I gather that you are Brazilian, which makes me respect you more. We always had good or better relations with Brazilian governments and its people than bully Argentina. We had our disagreements but you never blockaded us over a dispute while an ICJ was deliberating. By the way you never created a huge conflict over a state of the art paper mill plant.
Your Constitution like the Uruguayan, forbids the incumbent president to campaign while still in power. Tabare Vazquez did that to help tupamaro Pepe Mujica, while he was president. He broke the Law directly and ethically, like Lula:
“Rousseff’s strategy is to be seen as the natural successor of Lula da Silva “dressed as a woman” as the president himself has said on more than an occasion. Lula da Silva and Rousseff have been fined several times, 5.000 US dollars on each occasion for having the Brazilian president openly involved in the campaign”.
“Your Constitution like the Uruguayan, forbids the incumbent president to campaign while still in power”
Jul 31st, 2010 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is not quite correct. Some two months ago, Lula got permission from the Electoral Supreme Court (STE) to campaign for Rousseff when he is out of his presidential watch: that is to say, before 8h and after 18h, and on weekends.
What Lula is not allowed to, is to campaign for Rousseff when he is on his job - for instance, when he is inaugurating some public installation, he can't say anything that can be interpreted as being in support for Rousseff's campaign. As the article points out, he has violated those rules, but he's been punished repeatedly for doing so. He continues to do that because he's got the money to pay for it.
And so does his main opponent, José Serra.
Serra has also violated the electoral constitution, and repeatedly so. During last month, for instance, he's used, against electoral laws, a opposition coalition party air time to promote his campaign. Such air time should have been used to promote state, not presidential, candidacies. And Serra has also been pinished for that, too.
Serra's party, the PSDB, has been fined 16 times by the Electoral Public Ministry. And Lula's party, the PT, has been fined 12 times.
So no one has a clean record in here: both the government party and the main opposition party have dirty hands.
(5)
Jul 31st, 2010 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn Bloody Lies from this poster (again and again and again and...)
He says:
”Your Constitution (Brazilian) like the Uruguayan, forbids the incumbent president to campaign while still in power. Tabare Vazquez did that to help tupamaro Pepe Mujica, while he was president. He broke the Law directly and ethically, like Lula.
Truth is:
Both Countries Constitutions don’t mention anyt such thing with one word.
But their electoral laws do.......
Both Countries electoral laws prevent the incumbent President to participate in “Acts of Electoral Propaganda” during “ Official Acts their “Working Hours”.
Pepe Mujica was criticised by the opposition but never fined....
Lula has been fined by the Superior Electoral Tribunal but he has appealed.
As Forget87 asked you before.... Inform yourself........
“Working hours”, that is the term I was trying to remember when I posted the message above. I somehow came up with “presidential watch”, a term that probably doesn't even exist! Thanks, Think.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It should also be remembered that the last South American president that has tried to change his country's constitution to allow him to run for the third time, was Álvaro Uribe - the US darling. He wasn't allowed to do so by Congress.
(8) Forgetit87
Jul 31st, 2010 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know something........
I have never really been interested before in Brazilian Presidents........
I, somehow, expected them to be on the same low moral class as most of ours in Argentina........
But I’m impressed........... Specially after reading Getúlio Vargas “Carta Testamento”...........
My respects
Vargas was a good leader. He'd created Petrobras - our greatest company until these days -, Eletrobras, expanded worker's rights, gave women voting rights: no one's done more to this country than he did. Vargas problems were two: foreign capital, which disliked worker's rights expansion; and the media elite, which voiced private enterprise - both foreign and national - concerns. Vargas was denigrated and the regime was so filled with political scandals, he no longer had the means to continue his government. The really remarkable thing about Vargas' social policy, which was motivated by a concern for the poor, was the fact that he himself came from a wealthy landowner family.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lula has a lot in common with Vargas: a preoccupation with the worker and the poor and a developmentalist economic policy. But Lula was capable of ruling a stable government because, in spite from media attacks against him, the market learned to appreciate him as well, as banks profits have increased during his government.
As for Argentine presidents, what do you think about the Pérons? I tend to see them as a Vargas-like figures: national developmentalists preoccupied with worker's rights.
The Peron’s....... Some characters!.....
Jul 31st, 2010 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the level of Getúlio on their good periods but......
I would wish the Old Man never returned in 1973.............
Well, I'm not sufficiently aware of Argentina's history to know what he did wrong after 1973.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Changing the subject back to elections, what in your view are the chances that one of the Kircherns will be elected the next year? I've heard their main opponent is Eduardo Duhalde. I'm not very sure about this, but isn't Duhalde from the same coalition that ruled Argentina during the disastrous Menem administration?
Oh, well the left got together, rationalizing instead or reasoning. That’s the “new strategy” that helps you to get around Law and ethics. Your game is fouling w/out being seen; like Adolf Hitler took over The Reichstag, the building caught fire on 27 February 1933, under circumstances still not entirely clear. Today the left is a combination of deception; using democracy as front to dupe the naive and the ignorant.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8. On 15 February 2009, Chávez won a referendum to eliminate term limits, allowing him the chance to try to run for government indefinitely”.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Permanent dictator.
(12) Forgetit87
Jul 31st, 2010 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my personal opinion, the chances of the Kirchner’s in next year elections are more than good.
The Agro oligarchy has used all their ammunition against them too early and they are fighting internally now.
Their management of the World Economic Crisis has been more than adequate.
Their economical and financial policies are still working fine for the seventh year in a row to the dismay of the Free-Marketeers.
All vote intention pools are moving in the right (left :-) direction etc. etc. etc....
They really have to somehow “f*** it up badly” to loose next ballot.
My very personal feeling today is that Cristina will run for re-election with Nestor as Vice-president candidate.
“In my personal opinion, the chances of the Kirchner’s in next year elections are more than good”.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s ironic, indeed...Argentinians mock the British for being “pirates”, “an Empire”, “colonialists”, “monarchic”, etc. They use democracy to keep their “monarchy” in power. Husband and wife switch turns in running Argentina’s Kingdom.
An Argentine King and Queen. Or perhaps they are both “queens”?
Jul 31st, 2010 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey....Forgetit87
Jul 31st, 2010 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This must be the first time in the history of MercoPress that an article about Brazil makes it into the “Most Popular” list!
Finally some interesting issues and not those “god forsaken Islands!
Tudo Legal Man !
An Argentine King and Queen. Or perhaps they are both “queens”?
Jul 31st, 2010 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, taking in consideration that Argentina being so Catholic and all, has beaten all Latinamerica to the punch. He can invite his Brazilian friend and get marry, LEGALLY !!
14 harrier61
Jul 31st, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chávez successfully altered that aspect of Venezuela's constitution. Uribe unsuccessfully tried to do the same to Colombia's.
Liberty,
I don't really know to whom that Hitler reference was destined to. To whomever it was, I think comparing the South American left with Hitler is quite overhyped. If that reference was destined to me due to my words on Lula's campaign, I can only tell you that I was not defending Lula's violations against electoral law. I was only explaining that his adversaries are no cleaner than he is.
Well... well... well...
Jul 31st, 2010 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good Old Adolf Hitler...... Europe breed him...... Europe nourished him...... Europe worshipped him..... Europe is responsible for him.... But curiously; they want to blame us for him......
#21 Think - Oh, it's just that “Liberty” has been drinking the Glenn Beck Kool-Aid. In his mind, it's people on the left (not on the extreme-right, like 99% of humanity thinks) that are Hitler - coming from the same person who thinks all post-Condor S.American countries are “Socialist dictatorships” and that Honduras under Lobo is a “model democracy”. Liberty is a TROLL, to put it shortly.
Jul 31st, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And quite frankly, every troll I've ever seen on the Internet is a far-right Keyboard Commando moron, and “Liberty” is no exception.
(22) voiceofsanity1
Aug 01st, 2010 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must agree with your evaluation of Liberty’s drinking habits :-)
My entry (21) was mostly directed to so many others in here that try to picture Argentina as a kind of “New IIII Reich” and the Malvinas Issue as a kind of prolongation of the “Last Good War” (1939-1945)
Nice to meet some Anglo “sanity” in here anyway :-)
Regards
Post-Condor Think
To all the pro Souhtamerican communists that post at the MercoPress:
Aug 01st, 2010 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is politically built since the 20th century after Germany, later they fell “in love” with Nazism. Just look at the wealth of information pre War II and after. Brazil harbored Nazi war criminals too. Today Argentina is a political “hybrid”, like Brazil, Uruguay and the rest of most Latinamerican countries. It’s not secret; I’m a living witness for the last 6 years in Uruguay.
They created the UNASUR to copycat the UE; they united to block the Falklands, when the territorial conflict is with Argentina and not with the rest of Southamerica. In the end is all talk and not walk, Southamerican countries look after their own selfish interest, no mater what populist government rules. Just look at the Uruguay-Argentina paper mill conflict. The Mercosur treaty was conveniently tweaked in Argentina’s favor. Brazil and Paraguay watched while their partner was being “punished”, before the trial was over and after Argentina lost. Great partners, great unity !!
“First, they came for the Communists...”
Aug 01st, 2010 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Liberty”, if you call us “Communists”, why do you put Nazism into the mix? That's right, you've been brainwashed by Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg to believe that Communism is somehow equal to Nazism, even as Hitler put trade unionists and other Socialists into the death camps - Hitler was a totalitarian capitalist, just like Pinochet, and thus any attempts to link him with the South American left are desperate and pathetic.
Equating Nazism with leftism is just the far-right's worthless attempt to project their own totalitarianism on the very people they seek to destroy. If you had it your way, people like Pinochet would still rule South America with an iron hand. Again, try finding other sources for information that Free Republic and Stormfront for your insane anti-left rants.
Oh, and if you hate what Uruguay has become for the last 6 years...why don't you move to Honduras? I'm sure they'd love to have Operation Condor supporters like you there.
25 voiceofsanity1:
Aug 01st, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The populist left had mutated, into a form of communism, fascism, nazism, blended together and covered with democracy. The populace, inept, mostly very poor and ignorant had swallowed the mix because: “We can vote”…I can see it, live it, everyday, it’s pitiful. I live in Uruguay thanks to my yankee pension, only drug smugglers and well “connected people” can make money in Frente Amplio’s land. So far in this continent ONLY stands Colombia against the communist frenzy. Time will tell after Uribe’s departure if that country will hold.
“The populist left had mutated, into a form of communism, fascism, nazism”
Aug 01st, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're proving my point. You don't know what you're talking about, so you use several random attributes to try and smear the South American left. You might aswell accuse them of “directly importing al-Qaeda terrorists from Iraq to sneak past the Mexican border” - makes just as much sense as everything else you write here.
(27) voiceofsanity
Aug 02nd, 2010 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
You might aswell accuse them of “directly importing al-Qaeda terrorists from Iraq to sneak past the Mexican border”
I say:
Believe it or not, we (Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil) are being accused by those CIA “Wackos” of harboring and allowing the presence of Al Qaeda in the “Triple Frontera” area...
A Big Hollywood film is coming about the Issue.. .http://www.infosurhoy.com/cocoon/saii/xhtml/en_GB/features/saii/features/society/2010/05/18/feature-03
28 Think- Tank:
Aug 02nd, 2010 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Believe it or not, we (Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil) are being accused by those CIA “Wackos” of harboring and allowing the presence of Al Qaeda in the “Triple Frontera” area”
Why does it surprise you?...Those three 3erd world countries always harbored war criminals, terrorists and Nazis. It’s a fact there is a place called “3 RIOS” right there, at the cross of Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil. All kinds of weapons are sold out doors, like in a market. Also:
“In South America, U.S. officials have long suspected Paraguay's border with Brazil and Argentina as an area for Islamic terrorist fund-raising. Much of the focus has fallen on the Muslim community that sprouted during the 1970s, and authorities believe as much as $100 million a year flows out of the region, with large portions diverted to Islamic militants linked to Hezbollah and the Palestinian militant group Hamas”.
Surrealist post from Think talking of ´agro oligarchy of today´to Liberty mixing nazi expats with Three Frontier problem. Just compare that place with the Río Grande US south frontier...or pour some of that blend in my glass.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(30) Pheel
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey man.... What do you expect... I'm a zurdo after all :-)
31 Think
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi, apreziado Think
don´t bother, you still have hope. :-)
Nothing that a pair of Vassili Grossman´s testimonial novels can´t repair.
Talking on Dilma, take a look on this link:
http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/eleicoes/veja-acompanha-dilma-rousseff/lily-marinho-faz-homenagem-a-senhora-d/
It remembers me when Alberto F, 5-years-chief-of-Cabinet, openly uses to walk cheek to cheek through the BADesign terraces with VanDerKooy, preparing his Sundays columns for Clarin, d you remember that times?
(32)Pheel
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’m a zurdo all-right, but not a Communist let alone a Stalinist!
Nothing to repair here....
I have always felt aligned with the left wing of the Scandinavian Social Democratic ideology.
Maybe because of all the summer evenings spent at the bar of the “Club Remeros Escandinavos”
Speaking about books....
One from another “........... man” that in my opinion every Argentinean should read is “Prisionero sin nombre, celda sin número”... Say no more, Charly said...
About AlbertoF, BA Design and Van der Kooy;..... nope, I didn’t “codeaba” in this circles, so I don’t remember them :-)
But it confirms more and more my idea that your first name must be Alejandro.
Right?
I didn´t ´codeaba´ too, but having lunch with a client at BADesign I saw them walking through and after asking the restaurant owner, told me that they were “habitués”.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And my name, no, it isn´t Alejandro. Just a farmer in the Pampas with connection to Internet and some tracking record.
Regards,
Ok.... :-) Hope you planted wheat... price is going up... and retenciones down. (I hope)
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Veja is a right-wing, coup-monger magazine.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems more like a magazine funded by the US Republican Party.
It has zero credibility, and is known to insult and defame without proof many persons linked to the Lula administration and to the ruling party, the PT. It and many of its most visible columnists - Diogo Mainard, for instance - have been repeatedly sued, and defeated, in national courts by a plethora of political figures.
The magazine is nothing but an outlet destined to feed middle-class entitlement and resentment.
Dear Forgetit, I have read O Globo meeting in a newspaper days ago, but yesterday Veja was the lazy option for adding a link without searching a lot.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven´t see many differences with what i ve read before - unless that Dilma likes Bach and plays piano. :-)
And Lily Marinho, O Globo´s owner, told to other journal: “I should vote Dilma” (and haven´t met Serra).
Monopolies are ugly, always.
Good excuse :-))
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I personally only read Veja and Gente when waiting at the peluquero........
Dear Pheel,
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am highly skeptical that Marinho's pledge to vote for Dilma is sincere. Remember the original political programme Rousseff sent to the TSE? It contained a proposal for impeding media monopoly. Shortly after paper's content was publicly announced, Lilly Marinho - who controls Brazil's most extensive media monopoly - met Rousseff. That, in my opinion, led Rousseff to recall the previous programme under the guise that it was the wrong paper. In a genuinely kind move, Marinho, in exchange, publicly declared she'd vote for Rousseff.
But let's not see such move as something different from what it really is. O Globo's editorial line is strongly opposed to the current government, something that hasn't changed after Rousseff met Marinho. The newspaper continues to use falsehoods to denigrate the president, his candidate, and also programmes carried out by the federal government - for instance, federal universities (see its and ridiculous and mendacious articles on Infraero and UFRJ).
And it really isn't at all surprising. O Globo has a bias against left-leaning politicians. Its founder, Roberto Marinho - Lilly Marinho's husband - was friendly towards the Brazilian dictators. Have you ever seen that picture in which R. Marinho walks arm-in-arm with our dear former dictator Figueiredo? They look like a gay couple in it.
And do you remember O Globo's denigration campaign against Brizola? Do you remember that Marinho planned, with dictatorship support, to fraud the Rio de Janeiro elections in order to prevent Brizola from becoming governor?
As I said, O Globo has a bias against left-leaning politicians. And it isen't different with Lula and Rousseff. You shouldn't be taken aback by Lilly Marinho's short-lived kindness towards Rousseff. O Globo is as anti-leftist as ever.
It made me do the homework and found the original source:
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The satanic Folha do Sao Paulo! :-)
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/764862-se-recebi-fidel-por-que-nao-o-pt-indaga-lily-marinho-sobre-dilma.shtml
Bach, piano and “I´d vote for Dilma”.
No problem, just trying to avoid double standards....
...we should expect the same neutral reaction if a rightwinger goes to O Globo to be received with that joy and Monopoly Owner endorse him!!!!
Pheel,
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read my comment above. O Globo has been from its inception a right-wing newspaper that is highly mendacious and insulting towards leftist politicians - Lula and Rousseff included. This hasn't changed at all with Rousseff's meeting with Lilly Marinho. As I said above, don't be taken aback with Mrs Marinho public theatricals. Frankly, if O Globo's editorial line was distorted in favour of Rousseff, do you think leftist journalists such as Luis Nassif and Paulo Amorim would treat it the way they do?
Ok, Forgetit, I was writting when you posted above.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very clear analysis of your own.
And admired for the restrictions that you brazilians have put in order to regulate actual government support to any candidate.
As mendacious and insulting is not a rightwing monopoly, we can experiment it here every day at the “progressive” vgr. “journalism-of-fortune” Government media.
Is bad journalism, independent of its political colour, I guess, and weakens Democracy.
Pheel,
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry I threw all that vague information about O Globo's history on you. I thought you too were from here (Brazil). As apparently you're not, I think you can't actually know about any of the stuff I've just told (for instance, O Globo's history of persecution against Brizola).
Are you from Argentina? I didn't know Argentines read O Globo and Veja! I'm very sorry about that. :)
I'm in agreement with you: right-wing newspapers are not the only ones in want of balance and better quality. But in the case of Brazil at least, the great majority of media outlets lean to the right - so it is about them that I complain.
I believe you and Think would find these small articles interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partido_da_Imprensa_Golpista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partido_da_Imprensa_Golpista
They illustrate well (if hyperbolically) my point about Brazilian media outlets being biased against left-wing politicians and covertly sympathetic towards the Brazilian dictatorship.
Thanks for the links Forgetit...
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I present our local “Paper Queen”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernestina_Herrera_de_Noble
She is quite Spooky; specially the story of her adopted “desaparecidos” babies...
I've read about that lady and her adopted children before.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One thing that got me thinking is that El Clarín did support Mr Kirchner during his term (at least I read that it did). But it turned on Mrs Kirchner. Can you explain me why, Think?
To tell you the truth.....
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can not explain it.....
Too many actors, intrigues interests, pressure groups, half-lies, half-truths, desinformation money etc etc etc...
I pass on this one :-)
:)
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sometimes I read El Clarín on line. To tell you the truth, I do think it is more balanced than the garbage media we have in here, except for sections related to President Cristina - these ones do look insulting and unbalanced.
I've read for instance about Mrs Kirchner trip to China. In there, she praised the country's economic continuity. El Clarín chose to report that she was praising Communism, hahaha.
You surely know it but maybe not..... one of the few newspapers worth reading in Argentina at the moment is :
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Página/12
Dear Forgetit,
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having been a leadership coach in a brazilian branch of a norwegian company until 2007 I used to take a look on Folha, Veja, read some history, teach in portuñol, etc.
Because of the obvious differences but no so obvious common approachs that we have.
I see the O Globo issue as almost a government maker, as Clarin did here. Kirchner took advantage of Clarin power and the company used it for its biz. No desaparecidos story then, the trial was put under the tapestrie for years. Almost 5 years of political convenience and private biz.
One day, the CEO Magnetto became ill, so K tried to make an hostile take over. Magnetto never forgive that . During the 2008 farmers conflict, when most of us poured to the roads for the fourth increase in taxes just for our sector, Clarin started to confront K. Public image of the Ks descended from 80 to 20% of positive opinion because of the mismanagement of that conflict, Clarin obviously exploted the mistakes. In 2009 the Ks loose the medium term election, specially in Buenos Aires Province were the frontman was Néstor K.
From then, the Ks have adquired or funded several media for having their own media monopoly, including football transmission. Using a mix of public money and mercenary tycoons as Haddad, Spolsky, etc. The trial of Ernestina Noble sons was soon rediscovered by government proxys.
For me, Clarin have been and already is s**t. Mercenaries of empty titles.
As her old political partner.
Since we are exchanging figures:
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.cartacapital.com.br
I like to read that one. Though it isn't impartial - it openly supports Lula -, Carta Capital doesn't pretend to be neutral (the anti-Lula media do).
(49) Pheel
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Just a farmer in the Pampas with connection to Internet and some tracking record.”
;-))))
51 Think
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ok, I didn´t need to talk about my track record! :-)
But is esentially true: live in the middle of the Pampas in a typical small city, just connected at night after long farming days!
Melancholic Pampas..........Strange place......
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recently read this short story about it... Maybe you'll enjoy it:
http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/features/2007/10/01/071001fi_fiction_bolano
(50) Forgetit: - Bookmarked, thanks.
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW: P12...it had been an excellent Lanata newspaper long, loooooong time ago. Your comrade :-) Think has guts for reading that piece of paper...
(53) Think
A mix of Silvina Bullrich´s environment and 2002 crisis, what a mess for poor Héctor Pereda! And a train going somewhere! pd: the author should come to the countryside, seems that he has read about 1930´s. No more free gauchos and old jeeps. Thanks for the reading. Are you Bebe character?
Nope...... I somehow identify with the rabbits:-)
Aug 03rd, 2010 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To argentinians, brazilians and the pro populists:
Aug 04th, 2010 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “new left” has mutated by using democracy as a tool to be legally elected. Southamerican countries are not changing for the common good, they’re helping the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The “elected” governments have learned how to get richer playing the “left card”. The Kirchner’s wealth increased 700% in just in a few years. The same applies to rest of the Southamerican populist governments.
Me gustam tus comentarios, Liberty, siempre me haces reir.
Aug 04th, 2010 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think,
Qué tal mi español?
(57)Forgetit87
Aug 04th, 2010 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much much better than my Portuñol :-)
But it is no use to write to Liberty in Spanish...
He does not speak it !!!.....
“Liberty” refers to us as “pro-Southamericans”, talks about his “Yankee pension” - he's an U.S. American - and claims he's been living in Uruguay for six years, even as he HATES that country with every fiber of his being, much like all the other democratic countries across South America. In fact, didn't “Liberty” have this to say about democracy?:
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Democracy. The populace, inept, mostly very poor and ignorant had swallowed the mix because: “We can vote”…I can see it, live it, everyday, it’s pitiful.”
“Liberty”, what is your definition of liberty? Military juntas all across South America again, just like in the 1970's? Won't you just come clean and admit that your version of liberty isn't really liberty?
Libertad..... Liberty........... that was the name of the prison the military used during the 70's to imprison, torture and kill dissidents.
Aug 05th, 2010 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0To argentinians, brazilians and the pro populists:
Aug 05th, 2010 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moving just before the Frente Amplio took over in 2005, Uruguay suffered changes for the worst. Populist policies, increased taxes, supported ineffective social programs. Government manipulated lower value of the dollar, increased imports and fewer exports. The truth is that South American countries are not getting economically or political better. Paraguay’s Congress is dragging their vote to allow populist Venezuela to become a Mercosur member. Eventually this poor county will say: YES, due to the mounted pressure of Argentina, Brazil and servile, lackey Uruguay. The populist propaganda published by Southamerican governments manipulated news doesn’t tell the real “tale of the tape”.
(61) Liberty
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tell you what I “Think” you are....
You are a pensioned American Citizen (not Uruguayan at all. You don’t speak Spanish and NO person in this world forgets his mother tongue if he had lived, as you declare, the first 19 years of his life in that country)
You are another one of those 85% pensioned American Ex-Pats that “Think” they can live like Kings in South America from their Yank pensions and end hating us when they can’t.
You are desperate and angry because the value of the dollar has gone down nearly 40% during the last months, making your Yank pension even smaller.
You are so un-adapted and brain-dead that at an age of only 61, you could not dream to go out and take a proper job.
You are another one of those Yanks in Lat-Am that love to tell lies about your past when as a matter of fact you never left your Kansas farm.
That’s what I “Think” you are..... or at least, that is what you have showed us to be.......
Yankie go Home
Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay's economies are much better off than that of the US. And one can't blame Obama for that: US's economy has not been in good shape even before he took office. We, Arg-Brz-Urg, have receded later than the developed countries, and we've also recovered faster than them. These three countries economies are better off, and that has everything to do with the policies their leaders - the Kirchners, Lula, and Vasquez - have implemented. They've reverted the neoliberal macroeconomics imposed by their predecessors: Menem in Argentina and Cardoso in Brazil. And it was precisely during the neoliberal reign imposed by them - and approved by the World Bank, the IMF, and the US -, that Argentina and Brazil suffered the most. Under Menem, Argentina suffered from one of the most horrific recessions in modern history. Under the Kirchners, it has been growing at Asia-like levels. Under Cardoso, Brazil admittedly didn't suffer from any recessions - but the country grew at anemic levels. Under Lula Brazil has been growing twice as much as it did under Cardoso. And it has responded better to the current financial crisis than it did under Cardoso when he faced a much softer crisis in 1998.
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember the last presidential symposium in Argentina on the FTAA. Néstor Kirchner said, in Bush's face, that the US and the IMF were to be blamed for Argentina's 90s crisis due to the neoliberal policies they had forced on the country. And Bush said nothing. He merely congratulated Kirchner from bringing the country back from the ashes.
Think and the populist gang:
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read in El Pais how uruguayan inflation is eating away Uruguay's people:
http://www.elpais.com.uy/100805/pecono-506290/economia/el-rango-de-inflacion-futura-esta-por-encima-de-la-meta-del-gobierno
Bush had surely not a clue of who that “funny looking” man was, what he was talking about or which Country he was in.... :-)
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Eating away” is an overhyped term. The projected inflation rate was just above 5%. The Uruguayans wound up having a 7.5% rate. Is that what you call “eating away”?
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eating away, in my opinion, happens when a country recedes, recovers slowly but is still in risk of having a double dip recession. And then that causes that country's population to suffer from unemployment at levels approaching 10%. Is that Uruguay? AFAIK, that's the US.
66 Forgetit87 and the rest of the populist gang:
Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Eating away” is an overhyped term. The projected inflation rate was just above 5%. The Uruguayans wound up having a 7.5% rate. Is that what you call “eating away”?
Where do you live? The fixed news manipulated by the Frente Amplio government; are “inflated” statistics. Investments are gone, after the Argentinian conflict, nobody in the right mind wants to invest in any kind of industries. The only hope for a Uruguayan is a public job. You have to live in Uruguay permanently and you will realize how corrupt this populist government is. The prices of everything are out of reach of most Uruguayans. Food prices, rentals, license plates, properties, etc. are as expensive or more than the US or the UE. I bought my home in 2004, if I immigrated here today; I had to go back to the US, I couldn’t afford it.
That you're already prognosing such a catastrophic scenario due to such a recent event as the Uruguay-Argentina agreement, is very curious. Investments are gone? Just last week, those debt grading firms have increased Uruguay's credit rating. Don't trust me if you don't want to. Just look at the Economy section of this very website. If anything, investments in Uruguay are going to increase.
Aug 05th, 2010 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for corruption, Uruguay -and Chile- are the two least corrupted societies in LatAm. Again, don't trust me if you don't want to. Just look at the Corruption Perception Index, an index produced by Transparency International. Uruguay and Chile are about as corrupt as France. In Uruguay there's far less corruption than in Colombia or Peru - two countries that I bet you, as such an ardent US nationalist, are very fond of.
BTW, why did you move to Uruguay?
Update on Brazil's elections:
Polling just divulged by Instituto Sensus:
Dilma 41.6%
Serra 31.6%
And some gringos were fêting that South America was just beginning to turn to the right.
(68) Forgetit87
Aug 05th, 2010 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dilma 41.6%
Serra 31.6%
10 points!!
Music to my ears.... Thanks
68 Forgetit87:
Aug 05th, 2010 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t care about Brazil al ALL, so far NEVER has caused my birth country any problems. I REALLY DISPISE Argentina. Now the latest from Mr.”Adolf” Timerman is that he’s saying that in case of pollution HE will close UPM. The Hague already cleared the plant from polluting the river. Argentina has 10 paper mill plants among other highly polluted industries dumping garbage in the Parana affluent to the Uruguay river. The argentinian arrogance goes beyond my control !!...But we’re in this mess due to the lack of guts, courage from the populist Frente Amplio. Mujica and company are giving away our sovereignty and everything else.
I moved to Uruguay when Jorge Batlle was the president and not these decrepit old clowns. For a couple years the economy didn’t get that bad, like today.
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