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Argentina developing satellite launcher; ready by 2013 in Puerto Belgarno
Argentina is in the process of developing a satellite launcher which could become operational in three years time, making it the sixth country in the world with that capacity, according to a Sunday edition report in La Nacion. Read full article
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Aug 16th, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not bad at all....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comisi%C3%B3n_Nacional_de_Investigaciones_Espaciales
How is the training going Think?
Aug 16th, 2010 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482603/
Careful ... they'll be claiming the moon!
Aug 16th, 2010 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article is wrong. Brazil has been launching satelites for years:
Aug 16th, 2010 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alc%C3%A2ntara_Launch_Center
As usual, Argentina is way behind.
We are slowly moving foward. UK is moving...back in time.
Aug 16th, 2010 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
Maybe we could get these up and running since you Argies still use them
Aug 16th, 2010 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captured aircraft
After the Argentine surrender eleven Pucarás (four of them in flying condition) were captured by British forces. Six were taken back to the United Kingdom, as follows:
A-515 (ZD485) – Royal Air Force Museum Cosford.[9]
A-517 – Privately owned. Possibly shipped to the Channel Islands.[10]
A-522 (8768M) – North East Aircraft Museum (on loan from the Fleet Air Arm Museum, Yeovilton).[11]
A-528 (8769M) – Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum (on loan from Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop).[12]
A-533 (ZD486) – Boscombe Down Aviation Collection (Cockpit Section only).[13]
A-549 (ZD487) – Imperial War Museum Duxford.[14]
[edit] Sri Lankan Civil War
stick “Maybe we could get these up and running” .
Aug 16th, 2010 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are already in Afghanistan. Great job!!!
“It's penny pinching and an insult to the young men who are going to Afghanistan and risking and losing their lives.”
“It's disgusting the way they are treating these young soldiers”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5849377/RAF-helicopter-built-using-half-of-chinook-captured-in-Falklands.html
This article is wrong. Brazil has been launching satelites for years:
Aug 16th, 2010 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alc%C3%A2ntara_Launch_Center
As usual, Argentina is way behind.
“Argentina is way behind” ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡??????¿¿¿¿¿¿
look this 1969 we launch a monke. not Brazil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV9fMsXW9FA
You are already in Afghanistan. Great job!!!
Aug 16th, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Waste not want not,and thanks for the chinook
riomarcos, all right if you prefere to be “o primerio etc etc” but...
Aug 16th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as Brazil have this spaceport, the country hasn t the technology for launching satellites, just “sondas” to ionosphere. But you are very near, it s probable that Brazil speed up the program in order not “to be overshadowed” by Argentina.
Nevertheless there is a lot of cooperation in aerospace area between our two countries, best tech for analyzing satellites is there. First launcher seems to work from here...unless MUCH MORE cooperation between BOTH optimize resources.
Brazil has been very zealous of his enormous advances in aerospatial research, that has put the country a little...err...closed to sharing info.
Argentina has reassumed a lot of old research and put it to work PEACEFULLY.
Very interesting advances at Córdoba, Buenos Aires and Bariloche.
A bit underscheduled and slighty overspended, but it s not a piece of cake as a Concord :-)
ROTFLMAO
Aug 16th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Pheel is correct. The Brazilian Veículo Lançador de Satélite is predicted to be ready only by 2014. The Argies will beat us.
Aug 16th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0justin, did you return the expensive equipment?. Please do.
Aug 16th, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the brits will get their, they are just waiting for the right time,
Aug 16th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0after all we dont want to show you up, in your hour of glory,
briton “the brits will get their, they are just waiting for the right time”
Aug 16th, 2010 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't look that way briton...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
I wish latin america develops into a block of first world countries, I think Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, and all other nations should work hard at modernizing their economies and adquiring and developing technologies.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, across latinamerica, there are many abandoned carcasses from grandiose and pompous projects that ended up becoming huge white elephants of little or null value and at the expense of the people's money.
I'd said that money is probably better if invested in more and better schools and universities.
goods universities to make the rocket.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 014 - briton - hang on a second! Britain is a founding member of the European Space Agency and the 4th largest contributor to it. Its first mission was launched in 1975. Incidentally, Argentina is one of the countries with which ESA has signed a co-operation agreement.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0This project is a good example of the new Argentina...
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0A practical, usefull project that already is yielding results...Not a “white elephant”
Originally a ballistic missils military project converted to civilian use in the 80-90's.
Full open co-operation with all relevant actors across the world....
In short.... A good project.....
“A practical, usefull project that already is yielding results”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0No a vanity project and a white elephant.
The limited satellite launcher market is already saturated, what it doesn't need is another launcher based on outdated technology. Good luck if you can make it work but at least be honest about it.
Think,
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely hope this project yields the expected results for the argentinian people and for the region as a whole. I hope it delivers high paid jobs, transfer of technologies, etc.
I question who the clients might be when the launcher is finished. The fastest growing market of satellites is Asia and they have plenty of launching sites and companies with proven technologies all over asia, in China, India, South Korea, etc., Nortamerica has plenty of launching capabilites, highly efficient. Nobody beats the russians and chinese when it comes to price for launching a satellite.
Who are the customers? Paraguay? Uruguay? Excuse me for asking.
I am not sure a country can achieve first world status simply by pursuing space technologies when it lacks fundamental structural reforms to modernize its economy, education, roads infraestructure, etc.
Britain may not have a satellite launcher but that's simply because it does not need it, it has 20 or 25 satellites in orbit and that's enough for the them because the US has some 430 or so and they provide Britain with all kinds of services, as they do with Canada and other nations.
Oh dear, it seems that Twinky, with his eye firmly fixed on the Argentine ball, has run head on into the post!!
Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not to rain anyone's parade but Puerto Belgrano as a launch centre for LEO?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Puerto_Belgrano¶ms=38_53_13_S_62_05_52_W_source:eswiki
Unless you're planning a polar orbit, which is rare, you ideally want a launch site close to the equator. That is why ESA built Kourou in French Guiana.
http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Puerto_Belgrano¶ms=38_53_13_S_62_05_52_W_source:eswiki
Why would anyone want to build a space launch centre that far south?
Like many Mexicans, when I was kid I admired Argentina so much I was in love with it, their culture, history, their literature, their music, and yes of course, Maradona, and the great argentinian futbol players that have always played in the mexican league, they brought their good futbol to our teams and everyone loved them, we still do.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I've always felt the same about this great country, and I am certain eventually they will find the way to the greatness they've always aspired to. in my opinion they've always been a great nation and need not demonstrate anything to anyone.
Jose “Britain may not have a satellite launcher but that's simply because it does not need”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be because they are broke. ithttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
Viva Argentina y Malvinas! Viva Mexico y Monterey!
Jose, Argentina will never achieve its potential whilst it continues to blame malign outside influences for its own failures. It has alway used disputes with its neighbours to unite the people, it always blames someone else for its mistakes. Argentina for the Argentines, will always get support, it leads to protectionism that destroyed Argentine industry under Peronism by making it uncompetitive. It has lead to many grand projects like the Pulqui, for one example, hugely expensive but with no long term future.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me how this one is different?
Now I also happen to like Argentina, its people but I have little respect for its Government or its bureaucracy. I can't see it fixing itself whilst it remains inward looking and blaming outsiders.
In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when
Oh FFS Marco, grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt child.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the Falkland Islands Government that is exploiting its oil resources.
Its the Falkland Islands that will benefit.
You could have been part of it, your Government pulled out for reasons of local political convenience and now Argentina is missing out and squealing.
Again you claim you're missing out, you could have been a contender if only.
Should, woulda, coulda, its a song that could have been writtent for Argentina.
How can a bunch of European immigrants hiding in a Spanish colony, that subjugated the indigenous people be so spiteful and vindictive about a small island community. Why would they indoctrinate their children with such crap and teach them to hate a small island people so much?
And why Marco, are you so brain washed that you go to such extraordinary lengths to avoid the uncomfortable truth? If a nation signs a treaty that settles existing differences, how can one issue remain unresolved? Why are you so afraid of the answer?
Why? Because the house of cards comes tumbling down and the reason Argentina is in the shit is because its broken and you have to fix it. Better to blame it on someone else and be a virtual Internet warrior spitting out hate and racist filth, crowing about Britain's economics issues forgetting your own.
Its pathetic.
Justin,
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racist? Ah ok, I see who are u talking about?
“In the process which followed, which was that of the forced expulsion of the population of the Chagos from the islands, the islanders were offered no recourse to self-determination. Dispossesed of their homes and their means of livelihood, the democratic choice offered to the Chagossians was to become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland. For the inconvenience of having to accommodate these refugees, the government of Maurituis was compensated with the princely sum of three million pounds.
Like the Falklanders, the Chagossians were approximately two thousand in number. Unlike the Falklanders, they were dark skinned and not of British ancestry”
Marco, grow up. Do you see a Argentine flag flying over the Falkland Islands, NO!
Aug 17th, 2010 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you see a Union Flag, YES
Astute, To have your flag flying does not mean the islands belong to UK, means the islands are occupied by the broke and old British Empire by brute force.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Argentinas
I wonder if this luncher can be used to send a nuclear warhead to the pirats occupying our land in Islas Malvinas as USA did to Japan years back ? if USA got away with killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese why couldn't Argentina use it on our own soil to rid our nation of the imperialistic fakland island company ?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Unfortunately, gassy, you have prohibited yourselves from having nuclear weapons. Or is that another treaty you will “conveniently” re-interprete?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vargas, NO, the launcher will not have military purpose as many of its characteristics are absolutely different to a ballistic missile.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it will be in serious and responsible hands.
Not managed by drunk napoleonic apprentices or fascists “iron ladies”.
@Marco , the Falkland islanders choose to be British, and fly that flag every day, all day.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also the islands are not occupied they choose to be British(i'm trying to get that message through to you). The Military base is for the Islanders protection from any aggressor such as argentina.
@avargas, the Americans used the atomic bomb to save lives. yes tens of thousands were killed, but it saved the lives of millions. The invasion of Japan would have caused the deaths of at least 1 million Americans alone. But then you have to add the possible Japanese deaths and also the other allied countries such as Russia and the commonwealth.
on another point if your country even threatens the UK with a nuclear strike(even though argentina does not have nuclear weapons), your country would not exist, because you forget that we at least have one of these on patrol what can hit anywhere in the world at any time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpmhAF6_YE
No difference between threatening thugs...as if everything should depend on a military difference of present force.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have the frecuent temptation of answering bruttish (vgr=the british portion of thugs) how many forms of being aggresive we could use now or in the future 20 years if we want to be nasty without nukes or WMD...but:
we are not actually trying, not threatening of trying and hope that will remain the same...the only warmongering had yet been said by your politicians.
Expect that UK gov remains smarter that the bravados here. As your ambassador has put it, there is still some hope of common sense.
#35 I didn't forget that UK has nuclear weapons, as a matter of fact that is the reason why I stated that Argentina needs a nuclear defence missile or a nuclear deterrent, I wasn't even asking if Argentina should have it since they have the rights to selfdefence as any other country does, my question was, if it was possible to turn a satelite rocket into a nuclear interncontinental missile ? many nations have a nuclear defence programs, this is not something any outsider can deside for Argentina, but thanks for the intrusion, maybe you should look into your own country and ask them to lead by example, rather then trying to impose your oppressive monolog and dubble standards on the rest of us.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's 150 year occupation has to come ot an end, one way or another, patience is a virtue not a weakness, the fakland island company's days are numbered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Argentina's 150 year occupation? A Freudian slip perchance.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just like PATAGONIA and MESTIZO, attacked and slaughtered by argentina, against their will, and why do YOU want the falklands
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so the can be a COLONY of ARGENTINA , empire building.
pot calling the kettle black comes to mind,
JUSTIN KUNTZ:
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so recalcitrant ignorant, you and your countrymen criticise my country from the place you are standing, however you ignore a lot of issues.
Regarding peron, i recognize that he was demagogue and authoritarian, beside hes presidence was almost a dictatorship, but no one can deny all the great achievements that hes gov. made for the workers.
About our protectionism, i can understand that economic liberalism worked very weel in europe and usa, but for latin nations, it was a disaster, it only become our nations unequaler than what they were before, now we have a protectionist state that gives full support to the small and big enterprises, through the found of sustainable development, wich create more and more jobs, and it gives also a great help for poor familys, that's why now the 90% of our children have a social protection, anyway there is so much to do yet, we are a very unequal society.
Maybe the day that you have a plural information about my country, you can open your mind, my country is not switzerland or norway or finland, but it's not neather a country that does not progress like many morons who have bad faith in this forum like to say all the time.
This articule is one more show of the progress of my country, in spite of the seriosu problems that we have yet.
“Argentina needs a nuclear defence missile or a nuclear deterrent”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, because this will help your undertained and useless troops. Do you really thik the US will allow another nation in its backyard to have nukes? goodluck.
ZETHE.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant as usuall, your bad faith is really evident, we have nuclear development since more than 55 years ago, but we dont have any wish of creating nuclear weapons or something like that, we only use it for medical care, and industrial development.
On the other hand, i ought you an answer since a couple of days ago.
If you think that what you see in the newspaers, or on line, or on tv, about the reality of the world, that only shows how ignorant and inocent you are, the press does not inform, it misinforms, it's only funtional to their economic interests, all the press omits information, that's why it's allways necesary to read diferent point s of view, that's the main reason i read mercopress, and i can confirm once and again how little and reduced is your knowleadge about the reality of our country.
I can't say for example if the sitaution in the u.k. is good or bad, because i only know about it through what the media says, you know much more than me about the situation of your country, because you live there, that's why the day that you have plural information, you can open your mind, and have an ample view of the situation of my country.
how hard can it be to mount a nuclear warhead on to a space rocket ?? who is asking if we should or not ? I know my english is not that sharp but is the answer couldn't be that hard to articulate ?? unless you have no clue in witch case it should be, I don't know! or if you are english and want to make this a selfserving poltical charade, I am not asking if we have the rights, or if Argentina should, the question is can it be done ! simple!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Axel,
Aug 18th, 2010 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Open your own mind.
“economic liberalism” worked for some industries not for others. It was a disaster for the auto, steel and shipbuilding industries for example, they were caught in a trap of restrictive practises and Government protectionism. As a result they were uncompetitive and went the way of the dinosaur.
You're making exactly the same mistake, what makes you think that it will be any different. Peron's protectionism made your industry uncompetitive, the Kirschner are doing exactly the same. Peron was a disaster for Argentina, which everyone outside of Argentina can see but god forbid you criticise the man in Argentina. You're a perfect example of that.
I see you adopt the same policy as your compatriots of dismissing any contrary opinion as “ignorant”.
And no the article doesn't show Argentine progression. It shows you're stuck in the same time warp of grand projects that cost the earth and don't lead anywhere.
Who are you going to sell the launches to?
How are you going to overcome basic problems like the launch site is too far South?
How can you compete with the Russians or Chinese whose launchers are dirt cheap?
Basic questions no answers.
And you claim to read different POV, clearly you don't.
Good News :-)))
Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rockhopper says latest Falklands well is dry hole.
Reuters / by Sarah Young
Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:49am EDT
LONDON Aug 18 (Reuters) - British oil explorer Rockhopper (RKH.L) said on Wednesday the latest well to be drilled in the Falkland Islands as part of a controversial exploration programme was found to be a dry hole.
Oil exploration in the islands off the coast of South America has sparked protests from Argentina, which claims the British territory.
The drilling of Rockhopper's Ernest prospect was being closely watched after the Sea Lion well, drilled by the company in the same basin in May, made a significant oil discovery, sending Rockhopper's shares soaring by over 500 percent.
The company will now move to carry out further tests on the Sea Lion discovery to help it plan a potential appraisal campaign, Moody said.
Ernest reached its target depth of 2240 metres with initial logs confirming that no hydrocarbons had been encountered, said Rockhopper.“
Sam Moody will pretty soon have to show the public some documents about this ”incredible” 60 billion barrel Sea Lion fund.......Think says...
gassy. It doesn't matter whether it is possible to place a nuclear warhead on a satellite launcher or whether Argentina “needs” a nuclear defence missile or nuclear deterrent. The Treaty of Tlatelolco that Argentina ratified in 1994 says you can't have any of them. So, as I asked before, is that another treaty you will “conveniently” re-interprete?
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ JustinKuntz
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“How can you compete with the Russians or Chinese whose launchers are dirt cheap?”
The same way as we did wit nuclear reactors we won the sale of one to Australia (Your former client) among offers from UK, Canada, USA, Germany and France.
And about the Auto-makers stuff you are absolute wrong in Europe Germany, Italy, France and Spain have competitive car maker industries and they have always protected them. The same had done US all the time (federal loan so many times and recent bailouts).
On the other hand you have Britain and the Neocon policy and all Brits automakers collapsed and now are owned by foreigner companies like TATA, etc.
Production in UK is something more than 1 million cars at year in Argentina is near 700.000 in the near future your production will be little than Argentina with a market of 50% bigger and close to the huge market that is EU.
UK economy system only produces industrial relocation elsewhere and astronomical debt.
UK owes to the world USD 10 trillions and has an internal debt of 1t more.
I don’t see how someone from UKI can lecture others about economy when UK in going burst any time soon.
You live in fantasyland that’s all reality will hit very hard when the party will be over.
NicoDin,
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The day Argentina settles its debts rather than going into default you maybe in a position to lecture on economics. UK pays its debts and always has.
I note you failed to address the fundamental point that simple geography is not in your favour.
The ludicrous example of selling nuclear reactors does not address the issue of how you will compete with a cheap established product.
You fail to understand that the auto industries you quoted as examples are in the main the ones worst affected by the economic downturn.
Please go outside and play and let the grown ups talk.
So a countries greatness is measured in how many cars they make? Wow I'm sure the Falklanders are trembling in fear that soon Argentina's car production will soon overtake the UK's!!!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh god they even sold a Nuclear reactor to Australia! Man the longboats lads the countries going to Shit!!
Kindergarden economics is Nicodumes (his youtube alias) specialty (my daddy builds more cars than your daddy etc etc).
The Argentinian auto industry is owned by foreigners, USA, ITALY, and France. The Argentinians are just the beast of burden and a means to production. Your country doesn't make any of the technology it just assembles them.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Rhaurie-Craughwell
Aug 18th, 2010 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So a countries greatness is measured in how many cars they make”
Yes among other things like electrical power consuption, oil, phones, communication, infrastructure, etc.
@fredbdc
There is not such thing as US, or Italy, or France, or whatever owners.
Multinationals don’t belong to any country as their owners are worldwide with some exceptions.
Anyway I don’t know all owners but Cristiano Ratazzi (Argentinean and President of FIAT auto Argentina) is the song of Susanna Agnielli, which is sister of Gianni Agnielli and the granddaughter of Giovanni Angelli founder of FIAT (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino). The holding also owns Ferrari, Maserati, Ducato, IVECO, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Gilera, etc. long list here
And also CNH, New Holland (American), FIAT Hitachi (American), Case IH (American)
Steyr (American/Austrian), Kobelco (American), CN Capital (American), long list here too.
And part of GM, General Motors (American), Chryler (American), etc.
IVECO also bought part of Ford motor European operations in Britain and Part to the Germans Daimler AG.
So lets say that a big part of the US car industry belongs to the same family lets say Agnielli, Germans, etc.
Car is an European invention GErman/French and still uses the old technology of internal combustion engine invented by Germans
Can you tell me please where are your own companies and technology mate?
May be you thing that car is an Yank invention but not Henry Ford only introduced the line production stuff in car assembly what is another thing.
Almost all your tech stuff have been invented elsewhere or stolen from countries like Germany. But this is another long story for 2000 chars.
Nico, my boy.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of things to mention. Firstly, I don't recall you, and others, being so keen on your current definition of a multinational company when you were talking about BP.
Then there is the small matter of the internal combustion engine and the car. In 1807 the Swiss inventor François Isaac de Rivaz designed his own 'internal combustion engine' and used it to develop the world's first vehicle, albeit rudimentary, to be powered by such an engine.
But it depends what you mean by the car. See, the first self-propelled road vehicle (automobile) was invented in 1801 by Richard Trevithick, a British inventor.
If all the technology is made outside Argentina I am sure protectionism is the right track, if it becomes that costly to bring things from outside it will be more profitable to build them in Argentina, take this rocket for example, according to mr. Conrado Varotto, head of Argentina’s Space Activities, this rocket will cost 1/4 of the real market value, I think USA, Canada had a spat over US protectionist laws on lumber, and USA had the same problem with UK over minerals, currently EU and UK are in a disputing over foodstuff products and GMO coming from USA, Brazil, and Argentina, this is not called protectionism in EU or UK they call it national interests and USA calls this same thing national security, they even have politicians making up constitutinal laws to protect their officials from international public opinion, there are even editor and opinion makers giving us a lectures over BS, and you people are here to complain about what exacly ? then you wonder why we consider british a pest,
Aug 18th, 2010 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am still wondering if it is possible to mount a nuclear warhead on a space rocket ? it will be good to have a nuclear defence program in Argentina, including some tactical warheads to trades with UK's former enemy's, we being under occupation for over 150 years, it's about time we break the umbilcal cord, pleace ignorant people refrain from any political charade and answer the question, is it possible to mount a nuclear war head on to a space rocket ??
how hard can it be ?
http://www.ied.info/books/economic-democracy
Harrier, he clearly stole that idea with witch craft and devil dust.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico, British made technology is a long list.
From the electric motor, lawnmowers, trains, lightbulbs, jet engines, sewing machines, a little thing called the industrial revolution which changed the entire face of the world, submarines, steam engines, television,umbrellas vaccume cleaner, the aircraft carrier, microphones, the computer, Fire extinguishers, batterys, flushing toilets, electric toasters, laughing gass, anaesthetic , stun grenades(sas), Torpedos, sniper rifles, machine gun, sonar, films, DNA fingerprinting, electro magnet, splitting the atom, the Theory of Evolution, underground railway system, traffic lights, hovercraft, VTOL(harrier jump jet), commercial jet airliners, football,rugby, rugby, tennis, badminton, boxing, darts, table tennis, ping pong, bowls, polo, gas masks, plastic, police, carbonated drinks, rubber baloons, nature reserves, silicone, steel, canals, telephones, MRI body scanner, clones, golf, cycling, The hypodermic syringe.
All british inventions.Not stolen, nico.
gassy. Try reading (46). Instructive for you.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OOOOOH! so Argentina has things that other countries have? my god Nicodume truly wonders emerge from Argentina!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok you want a game of top trumps?
Argentina/UK
Communication.
Telephone lines: 9.631 million/33.209 million
Mobile phone ownership: 46.509 million/75.565 million
Internet Usage: 11.212 million/56.755 million
Broadband Usage: 2.7 million/51.442 million
Internet hosts:4.906 million/9.322 million
wifi users: limited no statistics available/43.566 million
Public Wifi Hotpsots: limited no statistics available/37.789 million-note includes most transport hubs, 99% of all Universities most towns have at least 1 access point.
Electrical power.
consumption: 99.21 billion kWh/345.8 billion kWh
Production: 109.5 billion kWh/368.6 billion kWh
Exportation: 2.628 billion kWh/1.272 billion kWh
Importation: 10.28 billion kWh/12.29 billion kWh
Infrastructure.
Roads: 231,374 km/398,366 km
Paved: 69,412 km/398,366 km
Unpaved: 161,962 km/N/A
Airports: 1,130/ 506
Paved: 156/307
Unpaved: 974/199
Railways: 31,409 km/ 16,454 km
Merchant Marine: 46/ 518
Ports: 7/16
oil:
Consumption: 622,000 bbl/day/1.669 million bbl/day
Production: 796,300 bbl/day/1.502 million bbl/day
Exportation: 314,400 bbl/day/1.602 million bbl/day
Importation: 52,290 bbl/day/1.651 million bbl/day
Proven reserves: 2.616 billion bbl/3.41 billion bbl
hmm slight disparity in the figures there? we must be greater than you then :)
You forgat one...nowadayS reality for UK
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7931465/RAF-to-shrink-to-World-War-One-levels.html
And yet, is still 30 times more capable than your airforce.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, we do not need brute force to justify the ownership of Malvinas.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Car no (German Karl Benz)
Aug 19th, 2010 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0electric motor, yes
lawnmowers, yes
trains, no (German called wagonways 1550)
lightbulbs, no (American 1879 by Thomas Alva Edison) patent 223,898
jet engines no, (German 1930 by Hans von Ohain) base on an old concept “Gas Turbine” (Invented in 1903 in Norway by Egidius Elling).
Traffic light no (American 1912 in Salt Lake City) you try with a gas lamp for railways signal an exploded.
Et, etc inaccurate info, lets say that most of what you say British inventions are questionable, someone else invention or stolen make your own research.
@Rhaurie
As usual old crappy. In 2007 a survey carryout by Billionaire Carlos Slim owner of a telecommunication empire worldwide concluded that mobile phone penetration in Argentina was 90% bigger than US at the moment.
Today figure overpass 60 million mobile phone lines actives so in proportion is bigger than Britain as you have 50% more population.
Internet penetration according with Prince and Cooke consulting is more than 60% in Argentina what means more of 24 millions. And in 2008 users were 20m.
50% of the content in the Spanish world including Spain is produced in Argentina.
And 11 from 15 most visited sites are Argentina based.
Not mention about Energy, Electricity consumption and other stuff you have taken from CIA fact book or Wiki more of this is from the ‘90 2001, 2005, etc.
About your oil fine lets see in your 2015 next oil crunch crisis you are already going back to coal, haha.
Funny Rhaurie you are a comedian i’m sure of that.
Marco, we 4 Eurofighters in the Falklands. 4 Eurofighters is minimal defensive posture to deter further Argentine aggression. Only 4 Eurofighters are required to deter further Argentine aggression, did I remember to mention there are only 4 Eurofighters.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brute force is invading a small island community with 2,500 troops, a naval task force and an air assault, then installing 11,500 occupation troops.
Did I mention there are only 4 Eurofighters.
You see the 4 Eurofighters are there to deter “Brute Force”, the 4 Eurofighters are not “Brute Force”.
If you speak like an idiot, don't be upset if you're treated like one.
60 NicoDin:
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The car is very hard to put a pin on who made it “first” because several versions were all made at the same time, most nations had this technology.
Ferdinand Verbiest invented the first car in the year 1672, he built it in china. Francois Isaac Rivaz, a Swiss inventor, designed and invented the first ever car with an internal combustion engine. In 1881, Gustave Trouve not only designed and invented the first ever car powered by electricity but also demonstrated the functioning of this automobile at an International Exhibition of Electricity in Paris. Four years later in 1885, Karl Benz designed and built a car powered by gasoline. This car was made in Germany. This was the first ever car to be granted a patent in 1886.
Sir Joseph Wilson Swan produced an early electric lightbulb (1860), The first electric light was made in 1800 by Humphry Davy, an English scientist. The American Developed these inventions.
“The train was invented in 1822 by an English inventor named George Stephenson.” Waggon ways were horse and cart, not trains.
With jet engines you are both wrong and right, Dr. Hans von Ohain and Sir Frank Whittle are both recognized as being the co-inventors of the jet engine.Both independantly creating the technology at the same time.
On December 10, 1868, the first traffic lights were installed outside the British Houses of Parliament in London.
JUSTIN KUNTZ:
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usuall your knowleadge about our reality is very reduced, i respect what you think regarding economic liberalism, but i have reasons to reject it as an alternative for my country, if we would have any serious leader of economic liberalism, maybe i would trust him, but all the referents of economic liberalism that we have, are fervent admirers of menem's policys, do you know what it means?, we do, and i dont want to go back to that shit.
This is why i say that it's very easy for you and your compatriots to criticise another country from the place you are standing, and at the same time, you ignore important issues, i prefer one million times our protectionist state, because in spite of the deficiences that it has, it protects people, and the productive sector much more , than the fucking liberal state of last decade.
Regarding peron, i am not peronist in absolut, i only recognize what was made right and wrong by him, and all the rest of the presidents, your problem, is that you only know about the bad side of peron, you have the recalcitrant and reduced anglo view about peronism.
Regarding the press, you have no idea about how i inform my self, so, you can't say a word about it, however when i read your comments, i see how reduced is your knowleadge about our reality, your problem, is that you think that only your truth is valid, dont you think that i can know much more than you about our situation because i live here?, there are planty of issues that you dont know.
Zethe: It would probably be easier to compare Argentinian inventions to UK or US inventions. Since the only one I could find was the ball point pen.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I already know they are going to say there was an Argentinian working as part of a team on this and that project in the US, but since it is in the US it doesn't count now does it? Or maybe some obscure medical thing 100 years ago. Since then NOTHING of note.
If you are a good Scientist or Inventor why would you stay in a country that doesn't respect Patent Law? Argentina was issued only 45 last year compared to 167349 for the USA. They are not known for their innovation are they?
alex is wittering on again in his usual 6-month old way. Funny how he never comes up with any verifiable (i.e. not Argentine) information to support his laughable comments. There are always “planty of issue that we don't know”.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would be like: jorge! frothing at the mouth, marco and nico in denial, gassy's fanatic psychotic hopes and Twinky's smart-ass idiocy. But we DO know about those. They all contribute greatly to our perception of Argentina. As well as information from people who live there and tell us the truth!
Axel
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You repeatedly state that I think only my truth is valid. Frankly that is a load of crap but it seems to perfectly illustrate your own behaviour.
When I started to study the History of the Falkland Islands, I started it with the presumption that most of what Argentina claimed happened. I gradually came to the realisation it was a load of bunk. On the other hand you took what Argentina said as gospel till you read Pascoe & Pepper, then wobbled, spoke to an Argentine official who resorted to an ad hominem attack on Pascoe & Pepper and you reverted to type.
You believe what you want to believe and find it all too easy to ignore what contradicts your beliefs. And you accuse me of doing the same, as you're projecting your own views onto others.
Now if you wish to continue down the path of protectionism, you go right ahead. What happened under Menem was chickens coming home to roost after protectionism in the past. Your industry was fat, happy and lazy and was creamed by leaner, meaner foreign competition. And all you're doing is creating more of the same, the chickens will come home to roost again.
My opinion, you can either disagree or agree but dismissing what you don't want to hear on the basis of an ad hominem attack on me is rather tiresome. You shoot the messenger, because you don't like what you hear.
As usual NickyDume has a tantrum and manipulates or makes up statistics when he gets beaten fair and square!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will deal with insanity claims first:
1.“90% bigger than US”-Utter bollcoks! unless every Argentine owns 216 phones, I don’t see how 46 million= 90% more than 300 million in the US????, even in ratio’s (US-97%, Argentina 103%) that’s not even “90%” more! (you contradict this with the 60 million figure below lol!)
2.“Todays figure is 60 milion”-bollocks! The figure is 46 million and you know it!
3. “In proportion is bigger than UK as 50% more pop”-Arse! UK’s pop is 62 mill, either you’ve lost 10 million people, since your last census in 2001, or we’ve gained 20 million since 2001? Even with this mythical figure of 60 mill mobiles you still lose ratio wise 1.63/1.45!
4. “Internet penetration is 60%” ARSE BANDITRY! how does 16 million users= 60% (from P&C website).
5. I don’t care.
6. “Is from the ‘90 2001, 2005 on CIA wiki”-And Youtube are the gods honest truth??? You’re saying that because they are the truth, I bet you looked and I bet you failed! However, the figures are my own work, a briefing paper I did in January, the sources come from Indec, UK stats website, UN country monitor and world bank development indicators. The years sampled ranged from the2008-2009. Doubtless because they do not show Argentina beating the UK, you choose to ignore?
7. “in 2015 next oil crunch crisis”-oh yes the bias takes over fully! That’s why the UK is investing heavily in Nuclear and renewable power, we are the leading State in micro-regeneration technologies, oh yes and we have the largest coal deposits in the world, so our backs are covered, however. According to these folk you may just beat us with your own energy crisis, 50% of supply based on gas, and only 8 years left? Perhaps you can ask us for coal?http://www.infosurhoy.com/cocoon/saii/xhtml/en_GB/features/saii/features/main/2009/12/21/feature-01.
Hold fast and I will put part 2 down!
Go for it.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Round 2: since you are man of proportionality, lets play another game of Top Trumps, proportion version!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina/Falklands (pop: 3,700 2009 informal census excluding military garrison)
All figures are done as per head of population.
Communication.
Telephone lines: 2.3/6.2
Mobile phone ownership: 1.1 /0.8
Internet Usage: 2.7/7.5
Broadband Usage: 0.6/7.5
Internet hosts: 1.2 /0.24
Electrical
Consumption: 2399/4021
Production: 2714/4324
Infrastructure.
Roads: 0.05/1.18
Paved: 0.016/0.13
Unpaved: .039/1.05
Airports: 0.00027/0.016
Paved: 0.00004/0.005
Unpaved: 974/4
Merchant Marine: 0.00001/0.008
Ports: 0.000001/0.002
Oil:
Proven Oil reserves: 632/162162
economy:
Labour force: 39%/51%
GDP (capita): $15,000/$35,000
Exports: 1531/33783
Imports: 898/24324
So eeerm using your preferred option of proportionality it appears the Falklands are an economic powerhouse! That’s embarrassing mate, your being thrashed by a non state entity!
Doubtless you’re going to say Proportion now is irrelevant and that sheer numbers count?
I’m going to rename the Joker in my pack of cards the NicoDume
Isn't it NicoDoom? De-doom-de-doom-de-doom-doom-doom.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NicoDume it's his youtube account name, I stumbled across a very familiar style of argument on one of the episodes of that documentary “Fight for the Falklands” attention was drawn and then I remembered he had used exactly the same argument a months back on another thread on here!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently The British lied at Goose Green, although we fought 1,400 Argentines, in reality it was 200 soldiers and the rest were plane technicians and engineers, which is quite funny because that would mean all of the aircrew stationed on the islands were wiped out or captured in that one battle :)
7 comments down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZircpEsbws&feature=related
The argument structure and attitude are uncanny, unless he has a long lost twin brother?
Justin,“ we 4 Eurofighters in the Falklands”
Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then why are you so scared?, may be because the whole world support Argentina cause?
“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi is among the greatest warriors of all time . Sun Tzu said, “Attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.” Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
72 Marco: I can't speak for Justin, of course, but I suspect that the thrust of his argument is that the fact that there are only 4 fighter aircraft in the Falklands shows that there is no fear of Argentina whatsoever.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And please stop posting and re-posting and re-re-posting and re-re-re-posting (ad infinitum and naseum) the same “quotes”! It's extremely boring and, generally, irrelevant rubbish anyway.
Marco,
Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We're not scared, this is why there are only 4 Eurofighters in the Falklands. Did I mention there are only 4 Eurofighters in the Falklands?
And any chance you might address the awkward question as to how one can settle existing differences but according to you leave one unresolved.
I won't be surprised when you don't. Let me guess, you'll post some more irrelevant quotes and resort to a tedious ad hominem attack.
Hey, NicoDoom. Did you notice the Scots have developed whisky fuel? So oil is now only one possible fuel. Wonder where they'll want to sell it? Wonder if one can have a quick drink from the fuel tank on a cold night? Fuel and ginger ale? Fuel and coke? Fuel on the rocks?
Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 Marco :
Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read up about ghandi, He didn't defeat anyone.
Just your empire.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, fascinated by your total belief of all you read in Newspapers on ideas and thoughts! Have you never heard of the old newspaper belief - Never let the truth get in the way of a good story- I am sure yours print similar rubbish as well at times!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In UK there is a debate going on about the size and needs of the future armed forces - and a Govt strategic review is to take place later this year - they have them every decade or so - they are routine!
You must never forget that the first job of any journalist is - A Good Story - sensational if possible- gory is even better - wild guesses are in - realism and the accurate truth - no they dont sell papers!
Yes there will be changes and cuts in some programmes - but this Govt like all others since 1982 has made on thing clear - The Strategic Defence of the Falkland Islands is paramount for as long as the Islanders wish it.
So yes - after 2011 there will still be Typhoons here- still RN Warships on station and submarine patrols- still an Army prescence to deter any attack and hold the airport until reinforcements arrive.
But, he didn't. That's just not true, in any way.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two massive world wars broke the empire, not an ex british soldier. If anything ghandi prolonged the empire's time in india by recruiting thousands of indians to protect british intrests in india, the zulu wars, the boer war and both world wars.
Gandhi was not non-violent. Gandhi was Sergent Major in the British Army. He supported all the British wars, Boer, Zulu, Kaffir, WW1 and WW2.
The person and the romantic view of Gandhi are two different things.
I guess then for 28 years the British army has successfully defeated Argentine sovereignty aspirations without firing a single shot according to Sun Tzu! someone award them the Nobel Peace Prize for services to “telling the cunts to bugger off” section.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fools start wars, but clever men end them”
“An Army that doesn't fight wars is like a virgin”
“If your nation desires a goal to talk to achieve it is to accept failure as a society”
2013 here we come, some people couldn't differenciate a horse head from a tail.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/30464
are they still going on about how great the old argentina was,
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when will they give patagonia its indipendence, and all the rest of the peoples they took over, they are on a sinking ship, and will say anything to get of it, rather than go down like argentinian gentlemen, ??
#80 Rh-C:
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Failure as a society also can be extended to one that has 250 suicidal terrorist cells between her population.
What did you do to create that monster? Being fair? Easy to be doubt.
“´for u ´cuse me, take a look on ´rself”, EClapton
@Rhaurie
Aug 20th, 2010 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way you forgot an important part called debt (Public and external) USD 11 trillions to be precise what makes looks irrelevant all your impressive numbers. Zimbabwe would look fab by borrowing like crazy as UKI does.
90% penetration has nothing to do with quantity else countries like China or India would overpass any nation in the world in any aspect.
Have you ever noted that countries like Norway and Sweden are always at the top of any statistic?
“60 mill mobiles you still lose ratio wise 1.63/1.45!”
So here the explanation of the 90% penetration if you have 40m inhabitants and they have 36m actives lines this means that 90% of the population (In theory) has a mobile phone).
Today this figure have increased to 150% lets say that for every Argie there is 1.5 lines actives. In proportion the biggest market in the world.
So you are very silly with your population comparison. I have 2 mobile phones only used by me and I have friend that have 3.
“Internet penetration is 60%” ARSE BANDITRY! how does 16 million users= 60% (from P&C website).
The internet users last figures are 24m what means 60% of population I don’t know where you got 16m these figures are old from 2007 and Internet user growth in 2008 was 23% and 19% 2009. So you have in 2008 3.68 m more (19.68m) so you have 23.41m in 2009.
Here 2008 figure http://www.internetworldstats.com/south.htm#ar (20m)
“Is from the ‘90 2001, 2005 on CIA wiki”-And Youtube are the gods honest truth???
You tube is very useful to show content publish on foreign media I cannot post my cable tv here.
For your information CIA like MI5 pickup information from local media they collect info from normal sources like you can do. Or you believe the spy movies from LA?
So their data is never accurate as has been showed several times WMD in Iraq ha do you get the Idea?
“For your information CIA like MI5 pickup information from local media they collect info from normal sources like you can do”
Aug 20th, 2010 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. Secret service, checking local media....just, lmao...
First of all, these are secret service, there is NO WAY on earth you would have any way of knowing anything about how they work.
Don't listen to these idiots!!! “People” like these have always laughed at Argentina saying we are not capable of doing anything.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We started our nuclear program decades ago and we are the only ones in L.A. exporting these reactors. The same thing happens with satelites, INVAP is the only latinamerican technological company associated to NASA to design and build satelites.
We are doing well, we are growing economically, we are paying our debts whithout borrowing in the international market, we are discussing about raises of pensions, we are supporting children with the “asignación universal por hijo” program, probably we'll discuss a subsidy to every university student, our children are getting a personal netbook to study with internet, anyway, we are doing many good things no matter what these ignorant idiots say, let them deal with their economic problems in EU. If we continue this path, in a few decadess we'll be recovering our right place in the world.
Woah! Easy tiger let’s not get ahead of ourselves here! WMD debt CIA and MI5 master newspaper spies????? We don’t want squirm off do we eh? You listed that a countries “greatness” is measured in : Infrastructure, electricity, oil, Internet, telephone connections, mobile ownership and apparently how many cars they build.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In these categories Argentina lost against the UK, when faced with this inconvenient truth you then use ”Proportion”, I used proportion and pitted Argentina against the Falkland’s and you got burned!
1. “90% more penetration than the US”, I showed this to be false unless every Argentine owned his own body weight in mobile phones! Even cut down to bare % for proportion (US-97%, Argentina 103%) it was still shown to be a lie! And I see you still got your own mobile phone numbers wrong as well!
2. 150%! you’re not even trying to lie. http://blog.euromonitor.com/2010/05/regional-focus-latin-america-enjoys-mobile-telephone-boom.html, http://blog.euromonitor.com/2010/05/regional-focus-latin-america-enjoys-mobile-telephone-boom.html, ok disparity of 45-50 million error margin, but not 60 million hahahah! You and your pal owning is hardly a good demographic!
3. Here are the figures, from your own website as of fall 2009 that you told me you got them from! Hope you like sour lemons! 16 million stands!http://blog.euromonitor.com/2010/05/regional-focus-latin-america-enjoys-mobile-telephone-boom.html,
http://blog.euromonitor.com/2010/05/regional-focus-latin-america-enjoys-mobile-telephone-boom.html,
4. Whoa sonny jim! I’m not finished with you yet! You Said we had“50%” more population then you? Another heinous manipulation of statistics!
In the words of Wellington to Napoleon YOU FAIL!
Welcome back Jigaboo! I see your application for a fast tracked abortion was rejected on the grounds of “waste of our time”!
@zethe
Aug 20th, 2010 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha you don’t know how valuable is journalism and what can you get from media source including youtube. Haha
http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206105311
“ November 2005, the OSC subsumed the CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service, which housed the agency's foreign media analysts. The OSC is responsible for collecting and analyzing public information, including Internet content.”...
“Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists project on government secrey, posted transcript of Naquin's remarks on his blog. “I found the speech interesting and thoughtful,” he said in an e-mail. “I would not have thought of YouTube as an obvious source of intelligence, but I think it's a good sign that the Open Source Center is looking at it, and at other new media.”
@Rhaurie-Craughwell
You always with all data but still 60m lines installed in Argentina what can I do?
This info is from june 2009 lets say more than a year ago lets say 14 months ago but now we are in the end of August 2010. And here there is not recession the contrary the market of cell phones is booming.
So your article says 49,2 m and with and increase year over year of 14% average so 14%/12=1.17 x 14 mths=16.38%
49,2m + 16.38% increase =57.25 millions lines. so less than 6% margin error rate. Quite good for someone that have made on the fly normally big consulting companies gives 10+/- error
Now my friend in the business told me 60m and I trust him over any statistic. 60m phones represent 150% of 40m pop. 100% is 40 and 60 is 150% penetration.
And still 24 million internet users here sorry I will not do the same.
About the population UK/AR yes you have 50% more people in UK.
The 50% of 40m is 20m so 40+20 is equal 60m.
Gosh the 50% increase over Argie pop seems to be equal of the UK pop.
Magic the power of maths what seem to be not your strong skill.
Am i Wrong again?
Oh NicoDoom
Aug 20th, 2010 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do like to start with “Haha”, don't you? Somewhat like a Bond villain.
And then there's gorge! AKA Shelob.
Do you remember that famous astronaut jest. “Here we sit in an incredible space vehicle - made by the lowest bidder”.
How's it feel to be cheap, gorge!? Sorry, Shelob.
According to Argentina, it invented everything except telling the truth ??
Aug 20th, 2010 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorants!!!! You have to watch this!
Aug 20th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs9eWkblnmM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs9eWkblnmM
I do not need you tube, created by Argentineans to lie,
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the truth is for all to see, only the tellers of ignorance who watch there own filth, are never to be trusted, swears like a riff raff, and definitely no gentleman.?
“Haha you don’t know how valuable is journalism and what can you get from media source including youtube. Haha”
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please show me a link proving that the united states or the united kingdom's special intelegence forces use internet media to provide information for the government. You can't. Because it's not true. You are a lier.
once a lier always a lier,
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JUSTIN KUNTZ.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0If i do a survey about the sovereign dispute , is because i dont believe neather in our oficial history, since i rode the pepper pascoe document, i started to have serious doubts about our rights, this is why i had interviews with experts in international right, and i will keep on searching unless one more of them, because i need to hear diferent opinions, if i would think that only our truth is valid, i would not do any survey dont you think?.
Regarding protectionism, maybe this is not the best economic program, what i must be realistic of the situation that we have in argentina, like i told you before, if we would have a serious referent of economic liberalism, who handles correctly and with equality our public counts, maybe i would vote him, however all the referents of economic liberalism that we have are admirers of menem's policys, i already told you what i think about it.
I prefer one million times this protectionism, because mostly, it gives full support to the small and big enterprises wich create more and more jobs.
It's very easy to criticise when you ignore important issues, i respect your posture, but i just dont agree with you, every opinion are respectable, but if you want to make a critic of a country that is not yours, you should take into account what people who lives there tells you about it, i can't say so much about the situation of the u.k., because i only know about it, through what the media corporations say, but as we know, the press always omits, and it's important to ask the opinion of people who lives in that country.
“If i do a survey about the sovereign dispute”
Aug 21st, 2010 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0No-one will care.
@zethe
Aug 21st, 2010 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I found a job for you in CIA “Open Source Officer (Foreign Media Analyst)”
Salary: $49,861 – $97,333 Location: Washington, DC metropolitan area.
“Open Source Officers (OSOs) are the Intelligence Community's foreign media experts. They use foreign language and area knowledge to review and assess foreign open media sources, including Internet sites, newspapers, press agencies, television, radio and specialized publications, collecting intelligence from these media to deliver high-impact products to the US foreign affairs community. OSOs develop and apply in-depth knowledge of a broad range of foreign media to identify trends and patterns, and to write analytical products. They may also translate text, audio and video information and select materials from the media for translation by independent contract translators. OSOs research and analyze the media environment in a particular country or region and prepare media analyses that inform customers of subtle relationships and trends in the media.”
https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/analytical/open-source-officer-foreign-media-analyst.html
I will not post the whole CIA procedure else is just to show you the use of public available information on media and Internet to elaborate analyses.
And this conversation started due to the figures posted from CIA fact book which are a collection of information from: Based on IMF, WB, and local media and clear manipulated for some regions an countries.
On the other hand the myth of undercover secret agents (James Bond style) infiltrated to get information from foreign govt. is a popular believe of movie watchers.
Most of the information is collected from foreigners journalist paid by CIA, etc. that have oiled relations with politicians, scientist, criminals, police, etc. a journalist can have access to places and information that not other one can get even though James Bond. this make them a perfect spy and service like CIA recruit them for a good fee.
“Most of the information is collected from foreigners journalist paid by CIA”
Aug 21st, 2010 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, it's not. These are massive intelegence agencys, there sole sorce of information is not foreign media you twat. It's no secret that the CIA and MI5 conducts covert operations and paramilitary actions. Thats not to say that they don't check all sorts of information, it's not the only source. These organisations were around before the internet even existed.
Spy's are a real and actual polital tool used by most governments to collect data that over govnernments might not wish for anyone to see.
It was only a few years ago that a russian weapons expert was convicted of treason for passing classified military information to a British company alleged to be a front for the CIA.
Alexander Litvinenko was killed because he was a british agent.
zethe. DO NOT argue with nicodoom. If undercover secret agents are mythical, he won't be looking for them, will he?
Aug 21st, 2010 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0he proberbly is one, and needs your info to track you down
Aug 21st, 2010 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0woooooooo spooooooookkkkkkks
briton. Don't be daft. He isn't bright enough to find his bum with both hands. He'd like people to believe he's intelligent. However, have you ever come across an intelligent person who never says/writes/types anything intelligent?
Aug 21st, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nope,? only an argie called NicoDin he spends all day watching toy story
Aug 21st, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He couldnt tell his own arse from his mouth. Though it's understandable as both exit holes produce the same excrement.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentineans speak to aliens [official] says Marco polo
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0another hole in your story ??
Too many non-southamerican ignorants here!!!
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge, i believe there are a few of us here who just live off the coast of south america, on that little piece of britain.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0well if you insist:
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't Recruit Journalists As Spies
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/h960522i.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/h960522i.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/h960522i.htm
Nicodume, it seems you have inherent need to prove the machismo of your country, for me it's just fun :)
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did your mate get that number then? Unless he has a data link plugged into his brain, I would say he got it from” statistics”, guess you better re-think your imaginary friends then☺
60 million is a highly flexible exaggeration at best, It is based on the flawed assumption that everyone is getting a sim card and not deactivating their old ones? So those 5 mobile phones you and your mate raul have, how many of them have a sim card and work?
Your mobile phone lines have exceeded your population count and therefore have bottomed out with no new increases pretty much since 2008-2009, that is a fact, accept it dear fellow ☺ you know at the bottom of your heart I am right and your just squirming away ☺
Your % are so simplistic and close to a rounded number that I know your lying! are . and measuring things in 6 noughts to hard and time consuming to fudge eh?
Internet figures again are wrong, a common mistake made by amateurs such as yourself are made by normal dial up connections with broadband. 16 million+ 2 million= 18 million ☺
But the key flaw with Argentine statistics are that they are recoded on per person access basis not a household basis, (a slight flaw from Indec and P&C which i noticed in the small print :) so a normal street in BA with 20 blocks and one internet cafe easily accessible to the entire neighbourhood and hey bingo! suddenly you have several hundred people With “access to” not “ownership of” internet facilities! The funny bit hear is even with “24 million with acess to” it’s still woefully inadequate ☺
You population % are infantile! % are not calculated by multiplication! (is this a common calculations Argentines do to increase their dick size?)
The real difference in population 30% moron, as that is the required increase you would have to make to be on par with us population wise not 50%!!!!!
Now care to explain infrastructure?
@Rhaurie-Craughwell
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah mate you are right...
“While in 2007 just under 700000 people accessed the internet via WI-FI hotspot (2 per cent of recent internet users) this rose almost 2.5 million (6 per cent recent users) in 2009.
This coincided with growth in available hotspot, wit many pubs and cafes now offering free wireless internet access.”
By seen this seems you are right INDEC is making shitty statistics like you say
“bingo! suddenly you have several hundred people With “access to” not “ownership of” internet facilities!”
But oh! Wait a minute this is not from INDEC else is from the “Office for National Statistic, Statistical Bulletin UK”.
you are doing the same I mean counting people using free internet hotspot in pubs and cafes.
What wrong with you mate?
You cannot understand a statistic?
Internet user, a person that have access internet frequently doesn’t matter where or if its free or pay for it.
Just he/she uses internet at home, libraries, Internet cafes, gas stations, offices, free hotspots, or paid for the estate.
In San Luis Province for example there are not connections but everyone has free wi-fi internet access provide by the province.
http://www.gobiernodigital.org.ar/texto.asp?are=19&idf=2197
http://www.gobiernodigital.org.ar/texto.asp?are=19&idf=2197
Salta province free wi-fi access http://www.gobiernodigital.org.ar/texto.asp?are=19&idf=2197
So according with you those people should not be counted in Argentina?
But you count 2.5 million in UKI?
About your explanation of population I said that UK has 50% more population than Argentina and not that Argentina has 50% less population than UK. What is what you are doing and wrong.
You have a problem in thinking Rhaurie anyone can tell you that.
Common Rhaurie use another subject to talk about Internet, telcos, math, statistic and technology is not your best field.
What about your 4 EU Typhoons and the RN at least we get more fun
yes, your fun is called, run rabbit run rabbit run run run,
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0our fun is watching our backs from you lot
@briton
Aug 24th, 2010 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not our fun is called Search & Destroy, by the way did you see how the Welch Guards did not participated in combat after the sinking of Sir Galahad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORPFpUb_Sw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_376753
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORPFpUb_Sw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_376753
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORPFpUb_Sw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_376753
Do you want more of this?
Oh look. more clips of that war you lost.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NicoDin you can be so silly sometimes, you remind me of that idiot iraqi minister on TV, [telling the world] how iraq forces were dealing with the allies, and they will never beat us,,while in the back round American tanks were coming down the street.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0some people think tey will win, right up to the point the rope strangles them to a garble, ??????????
ZETHE.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If i do a survey, is not to convence an arrogant and moron like you, i dont give a shit if you believe or not in our arguements, that's your problem, everyone has right to reject or desagree with everyone else's opinions.
Ii i do a survey, is to be sure about what i am defending has true arguments, because i will have to teach the malvinas cause for the next 36 years of my life, and i dont want to follow a false line, anyway i can be still wrong with the arguments of my investigation, i am not a expert in international right, but with the passage of the years, i will know more and more about this cause.
how can your survey be honest if you only include malvinas.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this implies that argentina owns/protects the islands with the concent of the people, it also implies that the falklands does not exist, it also implies that we are the aggresers, it will also give a false interpritation of the world history to the people of argentina who read it, this then implies that argentina is still a dictatorship and is always correct.
just a thought .
BRITON.
Aug 25th, 2010 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's one of the most twisted assertions i ever rode, you still didn't read my survey, so, you can't say so much about it, after you read it, you will be able to get all the conclutions that you want, on the other hand, i dont know what kind of history you know about the malvinas's dispute, i know that the arguments of both perspectives are very diferent, and maybe that's why we wont never agree, anyway i respect you posture, but i dont agree on it, in the same way, you right to reject our arguments, but firstly you have to read my investigation.
Like i said before, i have the opinions if diferent britsh experts in international right.
we cannot comment on what we cant see,,,and if we cannot see it, ??
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