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UK and US media blast the Kirchners for attempting “to lock-hold the press”
British daily Financial Times ran an op-ed Tuesday morning blasting Argentina’s presidential couple for their attempt to “secure a lock-hold on Argentina’s press,” and accusing them of mirroring the “black arts” tactics of the Mexican Institutional Revolutionary party. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesaren't this two news papers the same papers that failed to report the 30.000 disapered Argentine's in the 70's ?? and why on earth will Argentine's have any sympathy for them ?? maybe wall street will want buy them and take them to USA, and put their money where their moth is, I just think this is lots of hot air coming from the UK and USA, aren't this two nations the same people who murdered 1000's of Muslims and just finish a war agaist Iraq killing president Saddam Hussain and planting 100's of terrorits where there was none before ? I say we stop listening to listening to their BS.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“WSJ mentions the human rights agenda upheld by Mrs. Kirchner and her government. While saying that the president likes to “make herself a champion of human rights,” the WSJ writes that although “members of the military” have been put in prison, the Kirchner administration has yet to imprison the “former terrorists””
Sep 01st, 2010 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile did the same. It granted amnesty to former guerrillas. (Former Chile president Michelle Bachelet was likely a former guerrilla.) But it refused to extend the same benefits to former torturers from the dictatorship, even when the Catholic Church insisted it should do so. In no South American country former guerrillas who fought against the dictatorship are put to the same standard as the dictatorships lackeys and torturers. Why single Argentina out? Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay do the same. In all these countries there are a number of active politicians who have a history of combatting the military regimes, even through violent means. Uruguay President José Mujica is a former guerrilla; Dilma Rousseff too. Now, are there politicians with a proven history of torturing political dissidents under the dictatorships? I don't think so.
That the WSJ would write something like that, shouldn't surprise anyone. That journal is a household for wacko neocon, sometimes even racist, political reporting.
The Wall Street Journal was helping the Vulture hedge funds in to put pressure on Argentina and the international financial community.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0And by change belongs to News Corporation AKA Rupert Murdoch such a coincidence. Doesn’t it?
I just wonder if they have not George W. Bush, Otto Reich and Maggie T writing articles there.
Just the usual crap as the Economist, FT and co. Who cares any way?
Neocons strike again nothing new
All is well, All is well!! Blame the outsiders, blame the outsiders!! And you you idiots are falling for it. What a ridiculous ignorant population your country has.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well put fred, they are best left to rot in their own ignorance.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dictatorship is best for Argentina because they don't like/can't handle the truth.
Yeap!! Due the lefty are ruling the media all over the world, the lefty terrorist are now the “heroes” after being just killers, theaves and rapers...We, the common people that suffered the attack of this Little lambs knows what they means....Horror !! They have been indulted by the lefty Gvt. we had last 20 years and they have become thieves, murders and rapers as they were in the past, but now without the blanket of “revolutionary ways to give the power to the poor poeple” and just showing us they did it just for they own.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Military just did what they must did ... Get clean our country of that kind of garbage and former president Bachetllet was one of them.... Ashame on her...and Allende was the same garbage that leadered the terrorit during his term.
But the history will judge them all.....
I just can send my congratulation to our Chilean Armed Forces that saved our country from this pest....
The “new” face of the Botox Queen. Michael Jackson!!
Sep 01st, 2010 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Sergio
Sep 01st, 2010 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was one hateful and incoherent comment!
I am happy that Argentina is finally getting the blind fold from their eyes and opening their minds to reality, this newspapers are anty Argentine and Bias towards our government, you will all be happy to know that we do not care for this particular newspapers in question and you are welcome to buy them and take them to your country, save your breath unless you want to be on the side of a paper monopoly witch is bias and cruel.
Sep 01st, 2010 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why should we care about what US says???? who **** US and uk are to “blast” us? they must pay atttention on their OWN business!!
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad this gov. dares to free our nation from clarin and la nacion. Monopoly of liers, corrupts and blackmailers.
Since i'm not a kirchnerist i've enough capacity to clap when something good has just be done.
But you are an argy. And therefore, by definition, stupid and psychotic!!
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 011
Sep 02nd, 2010 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your writings shows how smart and mental-healthy you do are.
An example of the mean british citizen?
Who cares what these New World Order parrots say? GO F**K YOURSELVES!!!
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 012. I can, at least, speak and type/write a proper language.
Sep 03rd, 2010 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 013. However much you enjoy it, gorge, real people don't have the same tastes. Carry on by yourself!
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Sep 03rd, 2010 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some grammar and writing mistakes here seem to be correlated with healthy beings (independent of citizenship), and the opposite keeps the correlation in the same sense.
PD: No problem if YOU don´t understand the argument, there is another correlation there!!!
I don't know if this applies but we had a similar discussion on a different article, and it actually ended in agreement, probably the first diplomatic success between Argentina and UK. ツ
Sep 04th, 2010 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Admittedly I disrupted a conversation and commented on a remark that was intended only as a joke, I did this for the benefit of those who like to portray Argentines as ignorant or as having some kind of character flaw because we don't always use proper grammar when writing in English.
Zethee was big enough to see my point, despite my obvious overflow of sarcasm and disdain, don't expect everyone else to do the same.
See posts 62 through 77
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/01/argentine-to-increase-budget-defence-50-recovering-losses-of-falklands-war
“The book, by prominent journalist Sylvina Walger, describes Nestor Kirchner, the former leader, as a “parallel president” who takes all the important decisions for Cristina and flies into a fury if she disobeys him.”
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“All that's left of that marriage is the question of how to divide the spoils of power,” says Walger.“
”Walger's unflattering portrayal of Nestor Kirchner will thrill political opponents, who regard with horror his prospect of winning a second term in next year's elections. He is described in the book as “mean, petty, vengeful and envious”.
“One reason she goes on so many foreign trips, says Walger, is to scout for mansions for the couple's eventual retirement.”
“The Kirchners have certainly prospered. The 600% growth in their personal fortune, to almost 12 million USD, since 2003 has prompted allegations of corruption since their combined annual income as President and former president is only $157,000. Opposition leaders have accused the couple of using inside information to engage in currency speculation.
The Kirchners own a luxury hotel and other businesses in the Patagonian resort of El Calafate and, according to Walger, a former Peronist militant, they also have 19 houses and 14 flats.”
Oh what fun it is when the truth starts to come out.
We can now, hopefully, start to look for a more stable Argentine government who will be honest with its people and not make claims about territories outside its borders in order to divert the population's attention.
Going after the media, whether or not there are legitimate grounds and allegations have been substantiated, will always be a no-win situation for any state.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Outsiders will always regard it with contempt, investors will run away scared by the specter of totalitarianism.
If Ms. Kirchner's moves probe to be right in the end, whatever gain to Argentina arising from all this will come at a very high cost.
I think you'll find those two papers did indeed report on the Dirty War and the disappeared. Both were instrumental in the sanctions against the supply of weapons to Argentina.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I find most interesting is how there is always a way to blame outsiders as the cause of all problems.
HARRIER. JUSTIN KUNTZ.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finding and honest president does not anything to do with our claim on the malvinas, if you dont like our claim, that's your problem, it's irrelevant for us.
Beside, we are not as moron as maybe you think that we are, the malvinas cause is not betwen our prioritys, it 's a fair and sad cause that we claim since many years ego, but our main issues are others, the government can take any strategy to divert our minds, but it does not mean that we are going to believe everything it says, dont you wonder why the did it loss last year the legislative elections?.
Regarding what that moron says in her book, (silvina walger), i wrotte a comment in the articule where she talks about her book, maybe you should read it, and know a little more about what that lady thinks.
JUSTIN: I answer you one of your comment a few weeks ego, but you didnt answer me.
Regarding the reason why any other argentine gov. haden't taken any action on papel prensa since 1983, it's because any of them didnt want to have such a powerfull corporation like clarin against their presidences, in fact, all of them since 1983 were the guarantees of the economic concentration of clarin and others.
If cristina takes actions now, it's because she does not ant clarin to keep on interfering in her decitions, it has allways done it with every president, including with her husband.
Crsitina can be a corrupt, arrogant, whatever, but she is not idiot, i agree absolutly on finding an equal prize for all the newspapers, because in this way there will be much more editions of all of them, even those that criticise strongly the gov.
I know that you think that the gov. wants to restrain critical press, and i respect your opinion, but i really that the critical press is restrained since many years ego.
Regarding the words of isidoro graiver, he declared 3 monthes ego to a newspaper that clarin and company had stolen papel prensa to hes family, now he changed hes arguments, only he knows why.
Oh my God. axel the surveyor is back with his unintelligible claptrap.
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Word of advice, sonny. Try to learn to speak, write and type a proper language. Then you won't look like quite such a clown wherever you go.
Besides, I told you not to address me again. I tried to help you, as did others. I tried to treat you as an intellectual equal. Wasn't worth the effort.
HARRIER:
Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mr harrier, i hope some say i deserve to debate with such a prestigious intellectual man like you, sorry if i type so fast and make mistakes, anyway you understand perfectly what i try to say.
Now i will say the truth, when some one like you who only sits on hes arrogance, and does not not even one solid argument to refute what some one says, the only one thing you can do, is insulting.
Keep on watching your navel my dear harrier, maybe in that way you can feel you are the best of the world, and if in some moment, you find any solid argument to refute what i say, i hope you adress to me, because i dont reject to discuss even with those who dont think like me, i am not the owner of the truth, and you neather, like it or not.
Axel,
Sep 08th, 2010 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not entirely sure why you brought up the Falklands on this thread. On the press I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you're right but I genuinely fear that Argentina is slipping down the path toward totalitarianism with the cult of personality surrounding the Kirchners.
Un abrazo
JUSTIN:
Sep 08th, 2010 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My reference to the malvinas cause, was in answer to one of harrier's comments.
Regarding the press, i can say that you are absolutly wrong, there is no more democratic measure than the bill that was sent to the congress, i really think that many people believes that only the state can censure the press, however most then dont say a word when a corporation owns most press, isen't it already a great restriction to the critical press, how is it in the u.k.?, does mr cameron's government allow the concentration of monopolys?, i already told you that the new broadcast law does not allow the concentration of monopolys, now clarin and others will have to sell their enterprizes, in the usa for example, if you own a newspaper, you can't own a cable chanel, and think it's fair, because every nation must promote free competence.
Anyway i dont think that the bill is going to be approved, because most leaders who belong to the oponent politic partys, declared that they are going to reject it, because it's much more convenient for them to support a hegemonic press wich has bad relation with the gov., because this kind of press, starting for clarin, supports all of them all the time as the alternative for next presidential elections, clarin knows very weel that all of them, will keep on being the guaratees of it's bussiness.
Beside you dont live here, you dont see and hear what we have to hear, this is why i affirm that your hipothesis of totalitarism is meaningless.
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