MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina wants to stall Montevideo port as the efficient regional hub
In spite of the good relations between the governments of Uruguay and Argentina following the agreement reached on pulp mills, pending and new issues are creeping into the bilateral agenda that could threaten the good chemistry between presidents Jose Mujica and Cristina Kirchner. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhy do I feel like we're missing the other side of the story here?
Sep 08th, 2010 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this article good enough to explain why no one neighbors loves the Argentina's last lefties Gvt.'s (read K's terms)???
Sep 08th, 2010 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They never respect their words, aren´t reliables and ever are pushing through the neighbors...
Exception was the Menem term when it was the contrary.
R.I.P. Argentina, unfortunately...
why would Argentina give access to this illegal pulp mills, I think they should be bared from traveling in the River and sent back to Europe to cut the trees in their own country. say bye bye to the pirats, cry us a river.
Sep 08th, 2010 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Told you Montevideo wasn't safe because of what was on the other side of the river.
Sep 08th, 2010 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at gassy, an immigrant, frothing at both ends like that psychopath, gorge.
But then gassy has always been an imperialist, colonialist, war-mongering psychotic.
Sergio, Menem was the worst thing that happened to Argentina, shut up.
Sep 08th, 2010 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An what's this “RIP Argentina” crap?? you retard
All I said is that we're getting half the story in this article.
Fernando aka Mr angry LOL
Sep 08th, 2010 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 05.- Have you read any insult in my comment? Please, be polite...The problem is that you think the river is all yours, but the reallity is that you have a half, havent you?
Sep 10th, 2010 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why you can do what you want in your country and Uruguayan can´t do it in their country?
And, please be smart...Argentina never grew up mora than in the Menem term and was a respectable member of the LA community......lost condition today...May be soon it can change with other Gvt.
Request In Pace Argentina !!! Unfortunately, because Argentines and Argentina deserve a better future as soon as possible !!!
I apologize, anytime I hear/read the word “Menem” I feel the deepest of indignations. And I have to disagree with you, all Menem did was sell half the country to foreign companies.
Sep 11th, 2010 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I can see this particular issue refers to sea ports, cargo from the south of Argentina going up the coast. I suspect this has more to do with Argentina controlling what goes to Malvinas, and less with interfering with Uruguay's operations.
I'd really like to hear the line of reasoning that leads to the last comment. The article says,“which basically will ban Argentine cargoes from transiting through Montevideo” and “in the coming days a bill will be approved banning Argentine cargoes from passing through ports in countries which do not have a bilateral transport agreement with Argentina”. Argentina doesn't trade with the Falkland Islands so there is no chance of an Argentine cargo being intended for the Falkland Islands. Equally, a cargo coming FROM the Falkland Islands would not be an ”Argentine“ cargo but a Falkland Islands cargo.
Sep 11th, 2010 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. This is one of a series of moves Argentina is making on Uruguay. On this site, we have seen the closing of an international bridge by a bunch of local residents that Argentina first encouraged and has since done nothing to stop. We have seen a forced agreement for ”Argentine scientists“ to enter Uruguayan territory and Uruguayan property to test for so-called pollution when it must be clear to the meanest intellect that it would only be necessary to test at the point where the mill outflow joins the river and, perhaps, a hundred yards downstream. And now this attack on the Port of Montevideo.
It is clear that Argentina is moving to weaken Uruguay by interfering with its development and infrastructure until the point is reached where it feels that it can renege on the 1828 Treaty of Montevideo and claim all the territory of Uruguay for itself. Weakening an ”opponent” and then reneging on agreements and treaties is, after all, a process popular with Argentines.
Yea “typhoon” Argentina wants to claim Uruguay. What are you smoking?
Sep 12th, 2010 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're talking about Uruguay not adhering to the rules of Mercosur, in all likelihood that's what this is all about.
It just occurred to me that the people on MALVINAS could somehow try to circumvent the blockade. It's just a theory, but I know Argentina is sure as hell not trying to weaken Uruguay and much less claim it for itself. That's just your British colonial-mindset vomiting nonsense.
Whatever the reason, the bill will give us more control over what goes to Malvinas. You're gonna end up drinking crude oil for breakfast instead of Earl Grey, enjoy it.
A-ha. The expected Argentine denial.
Sep 12th, 2010 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, the bill only relates to Argentine cargoes. So it would have no effect on any potential FALKLAND ISLANDS cargoes.
We note that F_A is not as bright as Twinky, who carefully avoids use of the word “blockade” knowing that such action would be illegal. F_A openly describes Argentina's actions as a “blockade” making it clear that Argentines KNOW that their “country” is acting illegally.
Uruguayans should note the differences in attitude. It is OK for Argentina to complain about a party of Chilean schoolchildren visiting the Falkland Islands. It is OK for Argentina to interfere in trade between Chile and the Falkland Islands. It is OK for Argentina to interfere in Uruguay's economic development. It is OK when Argentina wants to interfere in Montevideo's port activities. But when Brazil engages in military exercises with Britain, all is quiet.
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Sep 12th, 2010 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I put country in quotation marks. Argentina is only an immigrant colony in rebellion.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“circumvent the blockade”
Sep 13th, 2010 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Whatever the reason, the bill will give us more control over what goes to Malvinas. You're gonna end up drinking crude oil for breakfast instead of Earl Grey, enjoy it.”
Where are you getting this from? You don't have any controll over what goes to and from the islands, you never will.
The islands can be supplied by air if needs be.
Well if you need the islands to be supplied by air the you're obviously not in full control of what comes in and out by sea. Are you?
Sep 14th, 2010 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Air shipping is a pretty expensive operation if you were to rely solely on it, good luck.
A couple of the important things for Montevideo and Uruguay to remember is that Buenos Aires is UPSTREAM. Uruguay must concentrate on good land and ocean access, a good infrastructure and economic facilities. This will make Montevideo the port of choice for international shippers.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can be left to ship its own cargoes around its own coast without any meaningful effect on Uruguay.
15 Fernando_A:
Sep 14th, 2010 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an idiot. I said they COULD. Not that they ARE.
The day after your blockade started a british ship left from BA and sailed to the falklands, with no checks or permission granted or even asked for.
Ships come to and from the islands with no hinderance from argentina.
A REAL blockade would involve your navy stopping ships and turning them around. It's not a real blockade, just on paper.
Of course, any Argentine navy vessel stupid enough to interfere with a vessel bound to or from the Falkland Islands would result in the presence of the Royal Navy. Not a presence than an Argentine rowboat would want to challenge!
Sep 14th, 2010 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fernando_A: The extent of Argentina's blockade is this: Argentina has decreed that all shipping entering or exiting Falklands waters must request permission from the Argentine authorities to do so. Leaving aside the fact that this decree is illegal and has no force in inetrnational law, it only affects shipping that is in or wishes to enter Argentine waters with its next destination being Falklands waters. As there was very little shipping activity directly between the Falklands and Argentina, it has had almost no effect whatsoever. Where there has been an effect is in the the shipping between Chile and the Falklands. The Argtentine decree has effectively closed off the Straits (an additional illegal act to add to the illegal decree) to shipping between Chile and the Falklands. This has effected your supposed friends in Chile much more so than in the Falklands, as the Falklands now get in the supplies that they used to get from Chile from other destinations (for example, from the UK) where shipping does not have to pass through Argentine waters, but simply uses the High Seas.
Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0If there was to be an effective blockade, Argentina would need to prevent shipping reaching the Falklands on the High Seas. Which would be an illegal act. In practical terms, the Argentine navy is nowehere near big enough to maintain such a blockade. Even if it tried, the fact that the British navy is 5 times the size of the Argentine navy and that its ships and submarines are far more technically-advanced than anything that Argentina has would make any attempt to mantain and effective “blockade” futile.
There is no blockade and the decree issued by Argentina has had very little effect.
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