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Falklands challenge is Argentina’s ‘desire to steal what is ours’
A member of the Falkland Islands Legislative Council rebutted historical claims made by Argentina over the Islands in a speech to the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association in Kenya this week, adding that the challenge Falkland Islanders face is Argentina’s “simple desire to steal what is ours.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is what needs to be said in every free and democratic forum. Which clearly leaves out any South American-inspired forum such as Unasur or Mercosur. Given the attitude of the United States, I would also tend to rule out the OAS. In addition, we can forget the UN Decolonisation Committee for so long as it is constituted with South American lackeys.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad to see this article being given prominence as it continues to demonstrate the invalidity and illegality of Argentine claims.
THE FALKLANDS SHALL ALWAYS BE FREE!!!
tell it like it is.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to see how thieves are so afraid of being robbed.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina we only “Desire the Right”
Sep 13th, 2010 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might desire them but you don't have any.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason no other nation gives Argentina nothing but tacit verbal support is because to do so would be an admission that the democratic process is unimportant.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Spain would rather buy Falkland Island Rock Cod than waste their time with Argentina's flawed arguments.
Looks like that is another nation who have historically supported Argentina now deciding to engage with the Falkland Islands' economic activity.
The Spanish buy FI fish and Brazil allow the OG to call into port.
Looks like Argentina is happy to be placated with words. I prefer actions, they are more profitable :-)
Ofcourse it's all words, lol. Two days after this supposed blockade started a ocean liner sailed from BA to the falklands and there was no checks, no permissions.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all hot air.
As usuall for all the integrants of the f.i.g., is a good strategy to play the victim, and twisting the history to their convenience.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If mr sawle is so worryed for the soposed robbery that we want to do to the malvinas resources, he omits than the main responsable of this sovereign dispute, is the u.k., not argentina, before 1833 the islands were nobody's colony, it was just one more part of our territory, i know perfectly that you wont never accept this fact, specially if you invoke that mendacious document from pepper and pascoe, when i publish my survey, i will refute many of the points of that document that you like to praise.
Regarding the right to self determination, maybe it's truth that you have that right, but some day you will have to accept that our rights are as legitimate as yours, and this is why both parts of the conflict must dicuss to find an equal solution to the conflict, wich respects the rights of both populations, the actual scenario, is the result of the idiot intransigence of both parts of the conflict, my government ignores the islanders, and the islanders reject absolutly to talk about the sovereign dispute, so , mr sawle, be serious and dont blame only our side, your side is also hightly responsable for the actual situation, accept it or not.
AHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Sep 13th, 2010 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What pathetic country is the uk!!!
Argentina should stop having diplomatic and economic relations,with them!!
Who needs the uk???
What for??
Anyway, uk is bankrupt!!
8: “any dispute over sovereignty should not affect self-determination which is a fundamental human right”
Sep 13th, 2010 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it's as if some people don't even know what human rights are. The Falkland islanders will have to teach them.
Sep 13th, 2010 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“He said the speech was well received and there was a lively debate afterwards.”
Sep 14th, 2010 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see, no need to quote any of those of course.
Oh wait, there was one delegate: “rot – it’s just a conspiracy” thank you mystery delegate for that expert insight.
More wind from “The Falklands”
Estevez returns. How are things on your planet. Last time I checked there were no shanty towns in the UK. The last time I checked the UK had not defaulted on any debt payment. The last time I checked the UK had a AAA credit rating.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try dimwit!
Fernando (the homophobe) - to blow wind or hot air means that one would not be able to put into action what was being said. Last time I checked it was the FIG that were administering the Islands as is their democratic right. The only air is coming out of CFKs cake hole.
Beef (the hermaphrodite) can't imagine 200 years of inbred procreation would do much for your gene-pool. FIG, don't make me laugh, it should be FITG, “Falkland Islands Therapy Group” can't think of anyone with a bigger existential dilemma than you.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Conqueror,
You don't want to sell your claim to Unasur, Mercosur, United States, OAS or the UNDC. Maybe Walmart will let you put a banner right above their discounted items section? “Sweet Peas, Three-day-old bread, Self-determination.”
Axel, the Falklands were never “just another part of your territory” before 1833 or since and you have no rights there. Get over it.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I thought you “survey” was supposed to be impartial and independent. It looks like you have decided on the outcome in advance and are simply looking for “things” to back you “conclusion” up. Good luck!
How unfortunate for axel the moronic surveyor that the evidence shows Britain claiming the Falklands in 1690.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0How unfortunate that axel the moronic surveyor doesn't leave Argentina to conduct any of his “survey”.
How unfortunate that axel the moronic surveyor cannot see that the solution has already been established. Argentina gets - Argentina. And the Islanders gets the Falkland Islands. Job done.
How unfortunate that axel the moronic surveyor cannot find the evidence that shows that Argentina will not recognise, much less talk to, the Islander government.
How unfortunate that axel the moronic surveyor cannot understand that when one party tries to steal, invade and blockade another party's territory for hundreds of years, there is only one party responsible.
How unfortunate that Estevez the estivator doesn't understand that, notwithstanding the attitude of the British government, the British people would like nothing better than to have no links with Argentina at all.
How unfortunate that F_A does little but fart with his ass. There is no need to “sell” the Falklands Islanders' rights to Mercosur, Unasur, Oas or the UNDC. They are all Argentine lackeys and therefore irrelevant. And as for the United States? Well, the United States has already expressed “concerns” that it will no longer have British support. Even Obama is worried. But it's OK. Now that the Americans have woken up and realised what a lamebrain they elected, it won't be long before the United States is singing a different song.
@ axel arg : “and this is why both parts of the conflict must dicuss to find an equal solution to the conflict, wich respects the rights of both populations, the actual scenario, is the result of the idiot intransigence of both parts of the conflict, my government ignores the islanders”
Sep 14th, 2010 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no respect for the Falkland Islanders, Argentina has stated in the past it would respect the Islanders way of life, yet it totally contradicts this by falsely naming parts of the Islands like Stanley to Peurto Argentino.
Does this not prove in itself that Argentina would impose itself on the Islanders way of life like it tried in 82 by changing road signs, driving on the right, enforcing Argentine media/propaganda.
Also, Argentina has made the Falklands issue part of her constitution, this can mean no other outcome other than total sovereignty for Argentina. So what is the point in talks when Argentina will only accept one out come ?
Fernando,
Sep 14th, 2010 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just love the hypocritical double standards. Whinge and whine about someone pointing out something unpleasant you said but spread homophobic slurs around with Gay abandon.
By the way Fernando, I suggest you look at what Freud had to say about homophobia and the fact that it often stems from an inability to come to terms with the persons own homosexuality. Oh what we give away without realising it.
Axel,
It is indeed disappointing that, but as I suggested likely, that you're continuing to make pre-judgements on everything. Sadly the origin of the situation is indeed Argentine. Argentina started and sustains the dispute. And no Argentine “rights” are not legitimate, your country has created numerous myths to sustain a dubious historical claim and a mess of your own making is not ours to solve to save Argentine face, particularly when you back yourselves into a corner with an inability to recognise the wrongs you have perpetuated in the past. Now Pepper and Pascoe is mendacious? Mmm, tell me Axel do you still allege we expelled the occupants of Puerto Luis in 1833, the documentary evidence contradicts that claim and none supports it; not even the Argentine eye witness testimony of Pinedo. Who then is being mendacious and isn't that just pre-judging the matter.
I presume you've talked to another Argentine official, so that'll be alright.
Also Axel, the Falkland Islanders have on many occasions proffered an olive branch only for it to be dashed away by Argentine hands. Talk about the sovereignty dispute? Again you were offered talks without preconditions, which broke up when Argentina insisted on a precondition that Britain must negotiate away sovereignty to Argentina. There is no room for talks whilst you dictate the outcome and no room for talks whilst you insist you have a monopoly of the truth and only the mendacious Argentine version is acceptable.
So much for a neutral and unbiased research on your part.
It would be nice to see an independent Falklands nation. This way we could have a Commonwealth nation join Mercosul/Unasul.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would an independent Falklands nation want to join Mercosur or Unasur? These are Argentine/Brazilian-dominated organisations. Joining would just be another route to Argentine domination and theft.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No! The Falklands should join nothing. They have existed without support from anyone except Britain for 200 years. If they choose to become independent, they will still, if they choose, have British support. That is all they need.
To Conqueror on 1. Yes, the islands' inhabitants shall always be free, just as all other Argentines are, should the arcipelagos be ever annexed back. Chances are not in our favour, though. Have no fear, please, and hold no grudges: 1982 was not our people's fault. We might not be the best, but neither are the worst. And in our vast territory, many originally British communities have found a fair place to raise their families within their religious creeds, and keeping their languages (English, Gaelic, Yorkshire, &c). And they had been doing so for no less generations as there had been in the Falklands/Malvinas. Cheers!
Sep 14th, 2010 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is little chance that the Falkland Islands will ever be “annexed back” as you put it. Argentina's idea of “freedom” does not match that of either Britain or the Falkland Islands. The Islanders have suffered too much from Argentine aggression to allow any form of Argentine control. The status quo will continue for the forseeable future. This may transform itself, at some time, into and independent Falklands with a defence treaty with Britain and British forces on the Islands.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get used to calling it the Falklands now.
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Sep 14th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@riomarcos, btw there already is a Commonwealth nation in Mercosur and Unasur: Guyana.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gassy seems to be more rabid than usual
Sep 14th, 2010 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correction, Guyana are only in Unasur. Sorry!
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Sep 14th, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0avargas2001 i recommend psychotherapy
Sep 14th, 2010 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gassy's head might explode.
Sep 14th, 2010 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fernando_A: I see you've worked out how to cut and paste, like your intellectual equals, gassy and Marco!
Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The mighty Fernando along with his computer and profanity will reclaim the Falklands LOL
Sep 15th, 2010 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Negotiate what exactly Fernando?
Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argie, #21, there is also a fairly large Welsh contingent who still have their national dress and language.
Sep 15th, 2010 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0It does not suit the purposes of the rabid to admit that there are ways round every problem, mostly just leave well enough alone.
If it aint busted, dont fix it!
CONQUEROR. DENRICH. J.A.ROBERT. JUSTIN KUNTZ.
Sep 15th, 2010 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CONQUEROR: How unfortunate is that you prejudge my survey, if you still didnt read not even one line of it.
J. A. ROBERT: As usall the only one thig you know how to do, is prejudging, you still didn't read not even one line f murvey, so, you can't say nothing about it, beside i already told more than once that i dont have what our side says about the dispute, i hava also the opinions of diferent britsh experts in inetrnational right, sorry if that's not funtional to your ideoligical posture, wait tir easd my final concluton, and then give your opinion.
JUTIN: I respect your opinion, but i dont agree on most you say, i think that both sides have always omited facts, they only tell what is convenient to their postures, this si why i decided to make an exhaustive survey, i didnt talk only to an official diplomat, i had conversations too with an expert in international right, if i would believe only what our side says, i would have not made any survey dont you think?.
DENRICH: I agree on some of your assertions, my country made big mistakes on the malvinas-falklands dispute, but your side has never recognized our legitimate rights on the islands, in fact, it keeps on rejecting to discuss about the sovereignty conflict with argentina, on the ether hand, when we argue that we want to negotiate, it means that both parts will have to cede on their pretentions, i am sure that if you propose a fair solution that respects the rights of both populations, i dont that our gov. rejects it, it does mean that you will have to accept only our sovereignty on the islands dont you think?.
“ if you still didnt read not even one line of it.”
Sep 15th, 2010 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I've never read it because I've never seen it.
“expert in international right”
'international law' not 'international right'
Is s/he expert enough to know that there is no succession in the case of unilateral secession, that Spain never ceded its claim to Argentina, and that there was no uti possidetis juris in international law during any part of the 19th century?
“your side has never recognized our legitimate rights on the islands”
Because you have never had any.
“it keeps on rejecting to discuss about the sovereignty conflict with argentina,”
The UK did negotiate, but Argentina was only interested in one outcome of those negotiations and when it didn't get what it wanted it invaded.
“ on the ether hand, when we argue that we want to negotiate, it means that both parts will have to cede on their pretentions, ”
Not according to your government it doesn't. To them negotiate means 'hand the islands over to us now'
“i am sure that if you propose a fair solution that respects the rights of both populations, i dont that our gov. rejects it, ”
Any solution that does not include the Islanders right of self-determination is not a fair solution. And your government is not willing to accept any solution that includes self-determination.
“it does mean that you will have to accept only our sovereignty on the islands dont you think?.”
We will have to do no such thing. The only sovereignty we have to accept is that determined by the Falkland Islanders themselves.
axel:
Sep 15th, 2010 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have to read even one line of it for a couple of simple reasons.
1 - Every time you come on here you start saying things that are nonsensical. Your statements follow the same line as those of other Argentine posters. Considering how long you have been “researching” for your survey you should, by this time, have started to find discrepancies between the “official” Argentine version and the truth. But you never come out with anything but the same old stuff. It also seems that all your “sources” are in Argentina. Like you think that for over a hundred years successive Argentine governments will have left evidence that they've lied lying around for you to find. Please!
2 - The second reason is more prosaic. I don't read Spanish. When you comment on here I still have a considerable problem deciphering what you're trying to say despite you being limited to 2000 characters. Your chance of producing a comprehensible survey in English is close to zero.
What point is there to your survey in the overall scheme of things? If it were to be presented to the Falkland Islanders or the British, it would be subject to rigorous scrutiny. You would need to provide incontrovertible proof of virtually every word. If it could not pass those tests, including forensic examination of any documents, the Islanders and the British would simply reject your survey as more Argentine “justification” without authenticity.
This is the classic black or white scenario. Either Britain and the Falklanders are right or Argentina is right. Given the Islanders' experience of Argentina, I doubt there would be many wishing to remain in the event of Argentine sovereignty. And it is entirely possible that all they would leave behind would be “scorched earth”.
37 Conqueror: It would be rejected anyway because even if he has evidence it's 200 years old and irrelevant, He “could” prove that 200 years ago they may have had rights to the islands, that was 200 years ago, today the islanders only matter.
Sep 15th, 2010 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's wasted some of his life.
Axel,
Sep 16th, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll be happy to read what you have to say, when you get around to publishing it. I'll be blunt in saying given your comments so far I don't have a lot of confidence in your objectivity or for the sources that you are using either.
Thank you Caedfel on #34. I didn't forget the Welsh. Just included them in to the '&c'. This '&c' comprises also other Saxons, say the Germans, and other Celts, say, the Scots.
Sep 16th, 2010 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ours being a country whose population came from almost all world corners, quite a number of languages are still spoken besides Spanish, albeit mainly within their own communities.
In the particular case of the English spoken groups, should you attend church on a Sunday (Church of England, of which there are both High and Low here as well as other congregations), you'll have a full service in English (sometimes also one in Spanish) and you'll be able to leave your children out in Sunday School to be cared for and taught religion in English & Spanish. The priest will walk out after the service to greet you, just as if you were in Stevenage, or anywhere else in England, and if you're a first comer, he (eventually, she) will discover you immediately and will introduce him or herself, and then you to the community. Presbiterians use to share service with anglicans, that's why sometimes you'd 'pick' strange accents spoken out in the patio... On Remembrance Day service, you might find a Scots Pipes band standing at both sides of the altar, and all flags flying... including ours!
I know that we, as a whole, are not to be shown your backs. But still we care for each other and will be always ready to help a foreigner who's lost and cannot find his way back to the hotel or whatever. People from the disputed islands come to Argentina now and then and know this. But they love their islands, they're not used to Latins nor to be addressed in any other language but theirs. Believe me, if I were one of them, I'll think likewise. Cheers.
CONQUEROR. ZETHE. JUSTIN KUNTZ.
Sep 16th, 2010 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CONQUEROR: Who told you that i dont have any discrepancy with the arguments of our side?, if i would believe only our official history, i would not do any survey dont you think?, beside, i know that when i type i make many mistakes, because i do it very fast, but i dont think that you dont understand what i try to say, when i publish my investigation, i will do it in both languages.
On the other hand, i didnt do a survey to try to convence the british and falkland islanders about our rights on the islands,, i did it, because i want to be sure of them, after i rode the pepper pascoe document, i had doubts about our rights, and this is the main reason i started to do an investigation, beside, i am profesor of geography, and i dont want to teach my piupirls a false history, when you read what i investigated, you'll see the discrepancys, and the concordances that i have with our official history, and with the british arguments.
ZETHE: I didnt include only historic facts in my survey, i included also about the legal aspects of the dispute, specially those that regard the right to self determination, wait to read my conclutions, and after argue if i wasted my time or not, dont prejudge like you always do.
JUSTIN: I understand your mistrust, but let me remind that the library of our chancery is a post grade library, it's very prestigious, and you are not going to find there only the evidences that support the argentine posture, you can find also all the arguments that support the britsh perspective, beside i had conversations too with an expert in international right, and i included too the words of diferent british experts, when you read my conclutions, you'll see that i dont lack of objetivity.
The nly one positive aspect, is that in spite that we never agre, unless with you i can have a mature debate, it does not happen with most your compatriots.
axel:
Sep 16th, 2010 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Who told you that i dont have any discrepancy with the arguments of our side?” You do. Virtually every time you come on here.
“beside, i know that when i type i make many mistakes, because i do it very fast” Then slow down. None of us are hanging on here 24/7. We can wait.
“beside, i am profesor of geography, and i dont want to teach my piupirls a false history” If you're a geography teacher, teach 'em geography. Leave the history to the history teacher.
“when you read what i investigated, you'll see the discrepancys, and the concordances that i have with our official history, and with the british arguments.” I don't have that long. I'm quite old. I have various health problems. I may die any day.
.....“Thanks to much hard work and research by Peter Pepper and Graham Pascoe, the speech also went through some detail of the expulsion myth proposed by Argentina.”.....
Sep 17th, 2010 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- LOL. These “people” is awsome!
.....“Some delegates agreed that it was more a case of Argentine national pride at stake than any valid claim.”.....
- Only some? What did the others say? Who were the so called “some”?
This is the a case of nostalgic pride of a imperial lion without teeth!!!
.....“joint sovereignty is like claiming to be half pregnant ‘ – it simply doesn’t exist.”.....
- LOL. Then give our islands back!!! Negotiation of terms between Argentina and islanders, UK has to get out of here.
.....“is a simple desire to steal what is ours and to subjugate a fiercely independent people to an authority that we do not admire, respect, desire, envy or want.”.....
- A thief accusing us of thieves? No one is asking you to admire, respect, desire, envy or want our authority, you can always go back to your europe land!!!
I think these “people” is beginig to perceive reality. They are alone here, none southamerican country will recognize the so called “Kelperkistan project”.
HARRIER.
Sep 17th, 2010 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorprised that you adress to me, as you can see, i' am not as intolerant as you are, i can debate even with those that never agree with me.
Regarding my work as a profesor, i dont need you to tell me what i have to teach or not to my piupirls, beside you have no ide about the program that profesors must comply.
On the other hand, you are not the only one british who rejects our rights on the islands, if you die tomorrow (i hope not), there will be millions of your compatriots who will be able to read my survey, you are not the centre of the world mr harrier.
”if you die tomorrow (i hope not), there will be millions of your compatriots who will be able to read my survey”
Sep 18th, 2010 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You keep trying to tell us to read your survey while saying things which are incredibly dumb.
ZETHE:
Sep 18th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read my comment number 41, there is a message for you, on the other hand, you are not forced to read my survey when i publish it, you will always have righ to reject it, no matter what i investigate.
lets say we all read it axel, and people have there oppinions, people agree/disagree from either side of the pond, what difference will it make in real life? none, and if you think about it you'll also realise this. You have wasted a part of your life.
Sep 19th, 2010 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorgy Boy - if this old lion has no teeth can I assume that you were 'out-gummed' in 1982 ??
Sep 19th, 2010 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
axel.
Sep 19th, 2010 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a thought for you. You have been talking about this survey of yours for months. The Lord knows how you find the time what with coming on here AND teaching. Is there any point to continually mentioning an unfinished survey? Are you trying to promote “consumer” interest?
Now it's being ridiculously silent...! I know it's the weekend, but...! Come on Argentines (note, there is no use of the “Kelper” word or the “Argie” word)!
Sep 19th, 2010 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Contribute. Come on...contribute!!
ZETHE. HARRIER.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: If i made asurvey, was not to convence the british and falkland islanders about our rights on the malvinas, you and them will always reject our arguments, no matter what i investigate, i am not waiting any objetive posture from your side.
The true purpose of my survey, was that i wanted to be sure about our rights, after i rode the pepper pascoe document, i started to have serious doubts about our rights, this is the main reason i started to investigate, the malvinas cause has always been important for me, and it will always be, i dont give a shit about your rejction, or the islanders's, i didnt waste my time, anyway i respect your opinion.
HARRIER: I añready finished my survey, but i need time to publish it, because i have a lot to type and translate, beside i have to study for the subjects of my carrear, i dont have so much time, i hope i can publish it on line for the end of dicember, or maybe before.
Axel, I would like to read that. I'll be waiting for you to publish it, there are several “mistakes” in that thing called “Pascue & Pepers document”.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” ...
Sep 21st, 2010 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ooops ... cocked that one up :-)
Sep 21st, 2010 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... beside i have to study for the subjects of my carrear...”
So it'll be unbiased then ?
“If i made asurvey, was not to convence the british and falkland islanders about our rights on the malvinas, you and them will always reject our arguments, no matter what i investigate, i am not waiting any objetive posture from your side.”
Sep 21st, 2010 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then you did it to either convince yourself, which you already are. Or to convince other argentines, which they already believe.
In otherwords, you wasted your time.
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