MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Rockhopper declares Falklands’ oil discovery will be commercially viable
Rockhopper Exploration (RKH.L) said it believed its oil discovery offshore the Falklands Islands will be commercially viable. A test at the Sea Lion 1 well in the North Falkland basin produced sustained rates of over 2,000 barrels of oil per day, in line with its hopes, Rockhopper said in a statement on Friday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDrill baby Drill :-)
Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of the interesting points in the RNS was that flow was limited to the nature of the testing equipment. This baby will flow even more then what this test shows. This is what we call a gusher!
Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't get much better than this and lots more drilling to come :-)
wheres think with the Champagne :-)
Sep 17th, 2010 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To give Think credit he was gracious in defeat, unlike all of his compatriots. I would buy him a beer if we ever met.
Sep 17th, 2010 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations!
Sep 17th, 2010 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Consequences of drilling in a disputed area?
Consequences of drilling in a disputed area?
Sep 17th, 2010 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it is taken as Red the Argies wont help in its harvesting
the Argies wont like it
there is nothing the Argies can do to stop it
the Argies wont Benefit from it
We all knew it was coming.
Sep 17th, 2010 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Consequences of drilling in a disputed area?”
None.
Not to crash a party guys. But the news note says that “RKH.L believed its oil discovery offshore the Falklands Islands will be commercially viable”
Sep 18th, 2010 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0My mama always told me: “Believed” is a long stretch from “it is”, something I didn´t understand as a kid but I had to learn it the hard way when I grew up a little.
I think the message here is that it is still difficult to assess all the risks involved in this operation, RKH.L thinks there is a promise, but they need more data and more research has to be done. There isn´t even a projected date for drilling.
The source rock in this particular region is always a big issue, I would say that they need more data regarding source rock geochemistry, stratigraphic issues, sea bed data, seismic DHIs, etc. before they can start throwing a little tea party.
And then there are financial obstacles too with so many oil findings around the world and production increasing as many countries are joining now the oil producers club, Chile is also jumping on the oil band-wagon, so oil futures will be an issue with much hedging down the line. DES.L will have to hedge and lock in some reasonable oil futures because of the risks involved and difficulties foreseen in the operations before they even plan a first drill, which, from what we see here in this piece of news, will take quite a few more years until the “believed” word can been deleted from DES.L´s report.
While it could turn out to not be any decent oil down there, evidence is largely growing to support the idea that there will be an oil industry off the coast of the falklands.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0We fully know it will be atleast 5 to 10 years before the oil industry starts if the oil is found, we've always known that.
Financial obstacles would have been taken into account before they started this operation.
Well, well, well.... Again an article related with the oil exploration in a disputed area. Again the same enterprise.... I thought I had read this news one or two months ago.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have found oil, good for them (what i do not know is who will benefit most from this discovery. The kelpers?, the british?, both maybe?. Could start problems between them to get the most profit?)
The only thing i know is that we must change our current economic policy and moreover our foreign policy. We could get that goal, in the next elections (2011), by choosing another form of government. One way, closer to the free market, to ensure legal certainty, to facilitate investment, improve our international relations. Or another path, tending to move us away even more from the world, and trample our constitutional rights.
Finally, according to the main case (Falklands' oil discovery), Argentina should cooperate with the United Kingdom, like from the 90's decade until 2007, in the exploration and extraction of the oil. But to do that, we have to change our current policy. (Justin this is my answer to your question about the NATO's article)
Come on compatriots, we have an impressive amount of oil, in our territorial waters (apart from than we have in land) in front of Santa Cruz, Chubut and Tierra del Fuego, more than the kelpers have.
Only imagine how many profits we could get from the oil extraction in our territorial waters and in Falklands waters. :p:p:p
So... stick up your junta: Send the Champagne to Buenos Aires (i will give you the address later). Please, send more than two bottles (my family is big, and my brother in law drinks a lot)
Beef: Let me send you one of our wonderful wines, from Mendoza, with a postal, showing our profits.
Greetings
“what i do not know is who will benefit most from this discovery. The kelpers?, the british?”
Sep 18th, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders look to become some of the richest people per GDP in the world, while it would look to put a few billion a year on to the UK's GDP, the islanders will defenantly be better off.
Argentina would defenantly be better off to co operate. If you was to get involved it would certanly mean that the UK would not recieve so much of the money from the potential oil business but your nation would have to recognise the islands government which would rule out any talks over ruling the islands.
It's a catch 22.
So... stick up your junta: Send the Champagne to Buenos Aires (i will give you the address later).
Sep 18th, 2010 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do UPS deliver to Villa 31
There are strict rules regarding the release of an RNS. If the word commercial is used then this is commercial and will continue to be so down to an oil price of $50 a barrel (although this reduces with the continued upgrades).
Sep 18th, 2010 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0One thing is certain that this is the first of many commercial finds as they never occur in isolation.
It would be nice to have some regional partners so all can get rich together but FPSO technology does not make this a requirement. Either way the economic future of the Islands is without doubt secure and there will be need to build a lot more houses.
Welcome to baaahhhhrain!
My vote would be for a tie-in with Chile.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0they seem to know what they're doing, as do GeoPark.
First, congratulations to all investors, in future you will play a key role in the conflict, enjoy your financial profits.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But there are some tips that make noise in my head.
1) RKH said that the test flow will last for 30 days but they realease the RNS finishing ir in only 11 days, 1/3 the time they firstly said; yesterday rns didn´t say why.
2) Rns just before CFK speech at UN.
3) Ultrashort test flow, only 18 hours, I ask about that and I was told that normal test flows last for several days, not some hours.
4) Ultrahigh rate declared; average rate for regional wells (argentine & chilean wells) is 30 b x day. Best rate in argentina is 1000 b x d for a well in neuquen basin.
Time and more information is needed here.
DSE, it would actually be the FIG you'd have to deal with not the British Government and you'll have to work hard given the last 10 years to convince the islanders.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, if Argentina and the Falkland Islands can work together to exploit this resource and put the disputes behind them absolutely fantastic. Even if the profits to British companies fall, peace in the South Atlantic and the Falkland Islanders moving forward are much better rewards.
A bottle of Malbec would be most welcome.
Mr#13 What are you going to build in Stanley? , a new Disneyland?
Sep 18th, 2010 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oil money will ruin the islands with corruption.
You are not in Bahrain nor the United Kingdom. You are in Malvinas and Argentina. I only hope that no more people have to die, on both sides, to protect the special interest of a few selfish bussiness man, who they make false promises and care only about their own pockets not matter if that money is tainted with blood. Perfect example was Irak.
”2) Rns just before CFK speech at UN.“
Sep 18th, 2010 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would anyone care about that...?
”Ultrahigh rate declared; average rate for regional wells (argentine & chilean wells) is 30 b x day. Best rate in argentina is 1000 b x d for a well in neuquen basin.“
I don't know the exact figures but at it's peak north sea oil was producing 6 million BPD, if all rigs were to only make 1000 BPD, that would require having 6,000 oil rigs out in the ocean, which any sane person would realse is not true.
”Oil money will ruin the islands with corruption.”
Well thats up to them, they have a choise.
Oil money will ruin the islands with corruption.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats when Argie know how will come in handy to the Falklanders,hope yet for Cooperation
The Falklands are not part of Argentina, they never have been. Again Ale, let me ask the question why does Argentine avoid the ICJ on the matter?
Sep 18th, 2010 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruption? Please don't judge others by your own standards.
And Ale, in case you haven't noticed the British left Iraq as promised. Sad to note the incipient threat of violence in that comment but not surprising.
Mr#20, Why the UK ignores calls from the UN and the OAS to negotiate on the matter?
Sep 18th, 2010 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Corruption? Please don't judge others by your own standards”
Where is Lewis Clifton from?
My comment about Irak was not intended as a treat, my intention is to show a perfect example how “an oil guy” like George Bush, will do anything in order to seek profit from oil in a foreign land. I am sure that you know that the large majority in the UK oppose this war.
If the explorations offshore here do end up with real commercial fields to be turned into production we are still at least 5- 10 years from that stage. Also as some have indicated - the timescale will depend on price and availability worldwide - but the big guys do like to have a broad portfolio of production areas so they are not caught short, so who knows - the multinationals will be the ones who decide -IF-WHEN- the Islands Govt will then control the HOW.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can Arg. join in - why not, a way could be agreed that would not compromise either sides political stance, we did it before to a certain level over fisheries and business can be kept seperate to politics - if the politicians allow it.
Corruption? - Yes possibly - but we got experience of that sneaking in when Fisheries started in the mid-late 1980,s We have an idea what to look out for now!
Buy so far it is still all an IF game(but with positive signals), yes Billy - a lot more needs to be revealed over the next 6 months before we really know.
Clifton?
Sep 18th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well he tried insider trading and got spanked for that.
The supreme court ruled against him.
And the electorate kicked him out.
Not to point fingers but given the money in the suitcase scandal, whatever happened to the Kirschners?
Again don't judge others by your own standards.
I really don't give a monkey's whatever tripe the OAS puts out, given that the OAS never gives the Falklands a chance to put their side of the story and the platitudes usually issued are done along racial lines.
However, the UN calls for negotiations, the UK indicates that it will only negotiate if the Falkland Islanders desire it, whilst Argentina itself has no intention whatsoever of negotiating. Now the UK was prepared to negotiate, right up to the point where Argentina resorted to violence and invaded. The current stalemate is of your own making and will continue whilst your persist with a mendacious claim that leaves no room for anyone to manoeuvre.
Truth is the stalemate suits Argentina, its is a convenient distraction tactic to unite the people, nothing more. IF Argentina had any faith in its claim it would take it to the ICJ.
Just for information, the Argentine case over the Beagle Channel was holed below the water by Argentine maps that showed the islands as Chilean. The self-same maps show the Falklands as foreign territory.
“Why the UK ignores calls from the UN and the OAS to negotiate on the matter?”
Sep 18th, 2010 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because there is nothing to discuss.
“I am sure that you know that the large majority in the UK oppose this war.”
You do realise that we are no longer in iraq...dont you?
Mr#23, Ok so we agree on something, corruption exists in every government, I could mention quite a few cases in the UK where you live but I am not interested. You said that you do not give a monkey about the OAS, aren't the islands in the America's?, however I do not mind, like many argentines, to take it the ICJ. All I asked is to be fair, France, United Kingdom and USA always had a judge on the Court.
Sep 18th, 2010 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr#24 Yes,I realise that UK is not longer in Irak after many years of a terrible war. BP (based in London) still there, pumping oil and enjoing the benefits without sending their kids to war.
The three largest oil producers were chosen to join in the oil in iraq, while the american and half american-UK (bp) ones might have questionable motives, explain the reason for a dutch organisation when they had no troops in the region?
Sep 18th, 2010 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you keep telling us how the UN supports argentina, the ICJ should surely be the same, no? it is the court of the UN.
11 Zethee:
Sep 19th, 2010 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please my friend, read the respond of 22 Islander1: ”Can Arg. join in - why not, a way could be agreed that would not compromise either sides political stance, we did it before to a certain level over fisheries and business can be kept seperate to politics.”
We did it before. Argentina pacted with the UK, agreements about oil and fishing explotations, technology cooperation, without this representing an abandon of the Argentina's sovereignty claim over the islands.
For further information read the Madrid Agreement II 02/15/1990: http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html (It's in spanish, and contains all the agreement).
12 stick up your junta: “Do UPS deliver to Villa 31”
Jajaja No my friend, not to Villa 31 (in the City of Buenos Aires). Deliver the bottles to the Tigre municipality (in the Buenos Aires Province, which by the way, is bigger than all UK).
I will send you a couple of pictures of my city: http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html
http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html
http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html
http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html
http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html
http://www.dipublico.com.ar/instrumentos/59.html (in Tigre train station)
13 Beef: Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, are under our territorial waters. :-)
16 JustinKuntz: “However, if Argentina and the Falkland Islands can work together to exploit this resource and put the disputes behind them absolutely fantastic. Even if the profits to British companies fall, peace in the South Atlantic and the Falkland Islanders moving forward are much better rewards.”
I am completely agree with your opinion. But you forgot one important fact, while we have people like Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales in the region, it will be very difficult.
Greetings.
“We did it before. Argentina pacted with the UK, agreements about oil and fishing explotations, technology cooperation, without this representing an abandon of the Argentina's sovereignty claim over the islands.”
Sep 19th, 2010 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes. and as you should know your government ran out of the talks and ripped up all agreements like a child.
We would be willing to share the oil industry with argentina, but any talks of sovereignty or acts of force would be met with the harsh defense british spirit you are probably used to.
If we could promote an oil industry without this the islands9and by extention, the uk) would be happy, but how likely is this?
Who is loosing out? us? no.
Zethee
Sep 19th, 2010 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“yes. and as you should know your government ran out of the talks and ripped up all agreements like a child.”
I was completely against of that act. The only way is the diplomacy.
“We would be willing to share the oil industry with argentina, but any talks of sovereignty or acts of force would be met with the harsh defense british spirit you are probably used to.”
Who is talking about acts of force? It's only your false propaganda talking about argentina's military manouvers. We don't a war, unlike your government, which always use that, in time of elections. And by the way, the half of your navy was heavily damaged by our aircrafts, in the last war.
Like we did in the past, (established with the UK, agreements about oil and fishing explotations, technology cooperation, without this representing an abandon of the Argentina's sovereignty claim over the islands), we can get it in the present or future. We have to do the change, and then we will see the path cleaner.
“Who is loosing out? us? No”.
My answer is in comment 10.
Stick up your junta, sorry about the links.I think this works perfectly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigre,_Buenos_Aires
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigre,_Buenos_Aires
Greetings.
I love Tigre and the Delta not the mosquitos in the summer.
Sep 19th, 2010 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 27
Sep 19th, 2010 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think I might have hit a nerve what with you living in Villa31
I my self live here
http://www.blenheimpalace.com/
or I will do when the Falklands oil starts to flow
Nice place, the rowing club!
Sep 19th, 2010 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Classic early 20th century English architecture, wouldnt look out of place in any english town!
Ale.
Sep 19th, 2010 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is corruption but usually it gets found out and something is done about it. If someone were discovered trying to use a suitcase full of cash they wouldn't get elected.
I would also suggest you look up the workings of the ICJ, the judges there has never been a case of a judge voting along national lines. I looked it up after dab14763 corrected my understanding of how it works. But just to note the Argentine Government won't go there as its claim would be examined and there are many aspects of it that would be found wanting.
And to correct your statement, I don't give a monkey's about the OAS or the C24, whilst both do not allow the Falklands to put their case. I might have some respect for them, were they to tell Argentina to stop bullying a small island community or did not make pronouncements along racial lines.
BTW BP is BP Amoco and is an International Company, its 50:50 an American company.
“And by the way, the half of your navy was heavily damaged by our aircrafts, in the last war.”
Sep 19th, 2010 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0With weapons that are now frankly useless.
But yes, i the countrys should co operatate, but how can argentina now ask to join in operations after it has totally rejected everything the islanders have done? It's not going to happen.
Is it me, or has it gone eerily quiet from the Argentine posters since the commercial viability of oil was announced? It could be that it's the weekend, or it could be the that the likes of Think are being briefed by his Argentine Government masters on how to deal with this latest blow to their chances of “recovering” the Falklands! Anyway, it seems that a little bit of the stuffing has been knocked out of them!
Sep 19th, 2010 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope not, as it'd be a shame to no longer be able to poo-poo all their indoctrinated arguments!
Probably got too much time on my hands!!
I don´t know what you are expecting but there is no much to comment since this rns raises more dubts & unanserwed questions than certainties: perhaps RKH executives have no other choise than realease a rns like this after they collect early bonnuses.
Sep 19th, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway this rns has a perfect timing affecting directly or indirectly some situations:
1) week at UN to lobby and CFK speech at General Assembly.
2) CFK & Piñera metting; Malvinas issue will be present and perhaps Apablaza Guerra situation will be a bargainig card.
3) Yehuin crisis at baires port.
Perhaps you're right...I've no idea...just that it seems very quiet out there!
Sep 19th, 2010 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the timing:
1. UN GA has no teeth and you know it. Have the cojones to take your claim to the ICJ and then we'll see...
2. I've heard of this dictator CFK, but who or what is Pinera and ditto for “Apablaza Guerra situation”? And what on earth do they have to do with the Falklands? Are these made-up-names?!
3. As for the “Yehuin” “crisis”, are you referring to the “still-wetting-myself-even-though-I'm-an-adult” demands that an “Argentine ship should be returned to Argentine ownership” by the incompetent terrorists?!
“the half of your navy was heavily damaged by our aircrafts, in the last war.”
Sep 19th, 2010 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the by, did you happen to notice how much of your air force we shot out of the sky?
@Pom Your point 2. Try this. http://momento24.com/en/2010/09/18/the-argentine-government-and-apablaza-extradition/
Ok, something to do with Chile and Argentina...but all I could see was Kate Moss, Anna “tennis-player” and another scantily-clad female on the right-hand-side...help me!
Sep 19th, 2010 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0half of your navy was heavily damaged by our aircrafts, in the last war.”
Sep 19th, 2010 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and all of your navy was scared shi>***s after the Belgrano was sunk,stayed in port for the rest of the war
Thanks, SUYJ, in my haste to post, I neglected to say something like that!...
Sep 19th, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the Argentine forces did sink one hell of a lot of our RN ships. And I have no problem with saying that the Argentine airforce, at the time, were extremely brave and did a bloody good job. One can be at war with another country and still acknowledge the courage of the other side.
However, it was a one-sided affair when it came to naval warfare. We came out to play and your lot didn't.
Had the Argentines stayed out on the water, there would have been a horrendous loss of life. Thankfully, the Argentines stayed in port and, relatively speaking, it wasn't that bad. Nevertheless, there was loss of life and that was, without doubt, the Argentine's fault.
As hundreds of Argentine troops swarmed onto the island, they decided to take out a warship.
Sep 19th, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using a combination of bazookas and small arms fire, they targeted the Argentine Corvette ARA Guerrico which was too close to shore to use its own guns.
Holed beneath the water line, its Exocet launchers and front gun destroyed, the listing ship limped away from the island.
Argie Navy defeated by a section of Marines LOL
31 stick up your junta: Jaja yea sure. What can i expect from a poor person who lives in a country that has the size of one of our states, without the impressive amount of resources as we have?.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, don't talk about poverty, ok?. Because both lose.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/sep/11/child-poverty-statistics-uk-countries
“I my self live here” www.blenheimpalace.com/
Beatiful place. It will be my backyard, when we began to exploit the large amount of oil that is below our territorial waters, which by the way, is bigger than the amount lying in the Falkland waters.In addition of cooperate and percieve the benefits, for the oil explotation in Falklands waters. Don't worry i will buy you a house in Oxford, Liverpool, or anywhere you want. Don't give me the thanks.
Another thing, let me cite the comment 16 made by Justin: “However, if Argentina and the Falkland Islands can work together to exploit this resource and put the disputes behind them absolutely fantastic. Even if the profits to British companies fall, peace in the South Atlantic and the Falkland Islanders moving forward are much better rewards.”
And my comment numbered27: “read the respond of 22 Islander1: ”Can Arg. join in - why not, a way could be agreed that would not compromise either sides political stance, we did it before to a certain level over fisheries and business can be kept seperate to politics.”
We did it before. Argentina pacted with the UK, agreements about oil and fishing explotations, technology cooperation, without this representing an abandon of the Argentina's sovereignty claim over the islands.
We could do it again (i know that is going to be hard, but not impossible).
41 PomInOz: I am completely agree about your comment. It would be an unnecesary lost of lives from both sides. Let me clear up two things: 1) Was a military gov., non elected by the people (obviously).2)Our navy was waiting in the ports, because we expected a chilean agression in the B. Channel
You can talk about Guerrico incident without saying that first argentine objetive that day was no british personel hurt.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can talk about Guerrico incident without saying that first argentine objetive that day was no british personel hurt
Sep 20th, 2010 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0thats not true, they were treated for blisters on their trigger fingers LOL
Yeah right, Billy, they didn't want to hurt anyone, thats why they shot at them with everything they had.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 43
Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0without the impressive amount of resources as we have?.
Yes right,thats what is so funny with you Argies all the “resources” and children starve to death in your country
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml
we began to exploit the large amount of oil that is below our territorial waters, which by the way, is bigger than the amount lying in the Falkland waters
And my Dad is bigger than your Dad or get of your arses and do something about it instead of banging on about the Falklands being Argentine
“What can i expect from a poor person who lives in a country that has the size of one of our states, without the impressive amount of resources as we have?.”
Sep 20th, 2010 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our capital city makes double the ammount of money per year than your entire nation. You might have more land mass but it clearly isn't working out for you.
As a poverty, the difference is in europe we have relative poverty, south american nations have absolute poverty.
“We could do it again”
Yes, we could. but that would mean your government not ripping up things and storming out of meetings every time they don't get exactly what you want.
We don't particually care if your side of the oil is more, and by the way thats a lie as no-one even knows how much oil IS out there some of your fellow countrymen have been telling us theres none.
Theres enough oil out there to give the islanders a nice lifestyle, we're happy for them.
I honestly fail to see why Argentines should be allowed to make anything out of the resources of the Falkland Islands. They have spent hundreds of years trying to steal the country and make life difficult for its owners.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not as if the Islands are in South America. They are in the South Atlantic. There's a considerable difference.
It is to be hoped that neither the British nor the Falkland Islands Governments will countenance any Argentine involvement or benefit.
In support of this position, I point to two important historical sets of events.
1 - Which agreements have Argentina continued to comply with when it stopped suiting their nefarious purposes?
2 - In the 1930s, what was the result of appeasement?
42 stick up your junta“Holed beneath the water line, its Exocet launchers and front gun destroyed, the listing ship limped away from the island.”
Sep 20th, 2010 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will continue the story my pirate’s friend: Once she was out of range, Guerrico reopened fire with her 40 mm guns, now back in service. This convinced Lt. Mills that things were over, and he ordered his marines to cease fire. Mills approached the Argentine positions waving a white coat, and surrendered.
The Invasion of South Georgia (Spanish: Operación Georgias) was succesfuly accomplished by our troops.
47“don't talk about poverty, ok?. Because both lose.” My comment 43.
I know you have little capacity to understand. But, makes an effort.
48 Zethee
“You might have more land mass but it clearly isn't working out for you.” Mmm
Argentina has, after its neighbour Chile, the second-highest Human Development Index and GDP per capita in purchasing power parity in Latin America. Argentina is one of the G-20 major economies, with the world's 31st largest nominal GDP, and the 23rd largest by purchasing power. The city of Buenos Aires has the second-highest per capita income in Latin América after Mexico City. Moreover taking into account the purchasing power, Buenos Aires has the highest output per capita in Latin America.
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/richest-cities-2005.html Metro Buenos Aires, according to one well-quoted study, constitutes the 13th largest economy among the world's cities.
“some of your fellow countrymen have been telling us theres none.”
Jaja yea ok, and I am the Prime Minister of France. So, with that thought, the San Jorge Gulf (one's of the most productive gulfs in South America) is a lie. Our Austral basin is a lie.
Sure, they are the same guys that said that in the waters of the islands was an estimated amount of 60 billion barrels of oil. Then you found about 240 million, well short of the previous expectations, without mentioning the fall of the actions and failed explorations.
@50 DSE. Do let us get some accuracy about the invasion of South Georgia. I quote:
Sep 20th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”frigate “Guerrico” (950 tons, Exocet, 1x100mm gun, 1978); approx 100 marines“
” 3rd April - “Guerrico” arrived with “Bahia Paraiso” in Battle for Grytviken“
”That morning “Guerrico” and the “Bahia Paraiso” under the command of Captain Trombeta and by now with many of the marines re-embarked from Leith, arrived off Grytviken. The Magistrate was called on to surrender by radio, but he passed authority for the island to Lt Mills, and at mid-day, with the Alouette going ahead to reconnoitre, “Guerrico” laying out in the Bay and the Puma about to land the first twenty troops near King Edward Point, battle commenced. As the troop-carrying Puma made her second trip in from “Bahia Paraiso” she was hit by small arms fire and badly damaged just off the Point with two Marines killed. Barely managing to lift off, she made it to the other side of King Edward Cove before crashing [first Argentine aircraft loss ]. The Alouette was also hit, but only lightly damaged and continued to bring in more Marines across from the base. Now “Guerrico” sailed in to support the landings and opened fire on the British positions, but it was her turn to be hit by hundreds of rounds of small arms fire as well as 66mm LAW and 84mm Carl Gustav anti-tank weapons before heading back out into the Bay.“
”From there, she used her 100mm gun against Lt Mill's men as the Argentine Marines moved around the Cove, through the whaling station at Grytviken and closed in. Trapped, with one man wounded and having convincingly defended British sovereignty, he decided to surrender. All 22 Royal Marines as well as the 13 civilians at Grytviken were taken prisoner.”
You can't get the size of your frigate's gun right and conveniently forget to mention that it was 2 ships, 2 helicopters and 100 Argie marines versus 22 Royal Marines. Doesn't sound so much like a glorious victory now, does it?
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Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You can't get the size of your frigate's gun right”
Let me clear you up a couple of things: The 20 mm guns jammed after the first shot, and the 40 mm mounting after firing just six rounds. The 100 mm gun became useless after the first shot.
The British forces started to fire, damaging electrical cables, the 40 mm gun, one Exocet launcher and the 100 mm mounting.
Once she was out of range, Guerrico reopened fire with her 40 mm guns, now back in service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_South_Georgia
You missed that part.
“and conveniently forget to mention that it was 2 ships, 2 helicopters and 100 Argie marines versus 22 Royal Marines. Doesn't sound so much like a glorious victory now, does it?”
Like Operation Paraqueat, no?. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_South_Georgia
Dassault, i know it's your duity to love your country and all, but theres no getting around the fact that your armed forces failed embarrassingly badly. Months, even years to prepare an invasion of an island just off your cost and hold it, you got beaten by a force which had only two weeks to prepare and had to come 8000 miles away and the defeat was so quick, with less manpower than yours.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You got schooled.
Actually no you're incorrect DSE, it was fire from the 100 mm gun that was the deciding factor in Mills' decision to surrender, allied with the serious wound sustained by one of his men in the engagement. The latter led Mills to conclude that he would not survive their original plan to escape and evade.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 100 mm gun was fired at a fixed elevation and bearing using the position of the ship to adjust fire on target. It was too damaged to function correctly. The 40 mm guns being direct fire weapons did not have the line of sight to engage from the safe distance the Guerrico engaged from - look at the geography of Grytviken if you don't believe me.
Also the 40 mm gun crew were incapacitated when due to the Guerrico's manoeuvres the crew were exposed to fire from the flank beyond the protection of the gun shield.
I must get round to correcting that article on wikipedia, embarassing that its incorrect as I helped and encouraged the author to write it.
DSE I seem to recall you lost in operation Paraquet? 2oo marines surrendered to less than 80 British marines after a simple demonstration of fire power.
Sep 21st, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Compare that to Mills men who were shelled by the 100 mm and strafed by the 40 mm over the course of 3 hours.
Zethee the Argentine casualty figures where a bit more in South Georgia then they wish to make out, it was at most 12 dead and that many wounded, concealing hurt pride was the order of the day I would imagine when admitting the result at full time :)
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