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Spain wants to renew bilateral talks with UK on Gibraltar’s sovereignty
New Spanish Foreign Minister Trinidad Jiménez has declared that her objective in respect of Gibraltar is “to generate enough confidence to renew bilateral talks about Gibraltar’s sovereignty with the British Government.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe long line of countries requesting UK the return of stolen goods continuous.
Nov 04th, 2010 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who would these countries be?
Nov 04th, 2010 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would it include Morroco wanting back the Spanish enclaves in Northern Morroco?
or just Argentina?
The long line of countries
Nov 04th, 2010 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain.
Argentina.
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My predictions:
Nov 04th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK won't accept bilateral (i.e. UK and Spain), but will accept trilateral (i.e. UK, Spain and Gibraltar). The conversation will go something like:
Spain: All of your peninsulas belong to us.
Gibraltar: ********* off.
UK: We support the position of the elected representitives of the population of Gibraltar.
Kinda like tripartate talks between UK, Argentina and the duly elected representitives of the Falkland Islands would be.
In apparition order:
Nov 04th, 2010 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes#Disputes_between_recognized_sovereign_states_and_other_states
Chagos Archipelago: United Kingdom - Mauritius / Seychelles
Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area: United Kingdom - Cyprus
Carlingford Lough boundary dispute: United Kingdom - Irland
Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area: United Kingdom - Cyprus
Gibraltar: United Kingdom - Spain
Isthmus between Gibraltar and Spain: United Kingdom - Spain
Lough Foyle boundary dispute: United Kingdom - Irland
Rockall: United Kingdom - Irland / Denmark / Iceland
Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas): United Kingdom - Argentina
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands: United Kingdom - Argentina.
Border checkpoint near Strovilia: United Kingdom - Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
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Nov 04th, 2010 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that“ Long list”, which country was stupid enough to use military force to alter the Status quo?
3 Zethee ,Sparticus,
Nov 04th, 2010 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Who would these countries be?”
Think was kind enough to listed for you. Not to mention the national treasures stolen by UK claimed by several countries like the 2,500-year-old Elgin Marbles taken from the Parthenon in Athens 200 years ago.
And what abt the stolen items taken by the Romans,
Nov 04th, 2010 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course its all rubbish, just losers dragging up the past to open old wounds, but we notice that no one complains to the Americans, Russians, china, Japan, France, or most other powerful countries [why]
Because they would tell you to xxxx==off, But the British are getting weaker , And we have idiots as politicians, that would give there mother back for a few quid. But hey. You might be lucky but I doubt it, items are a lot different than people, especially people that still have the freedom to choose who they wish to be, but of course you argies would never dream of taking the rights of the islanders away [would you] just like Spain,
well the way we see it , you have a simple choice don’t you.
Take it back or leave it alone, and we all know what you have wisely chosen. So why complain about it now, just except it, besides Argentina and Spain has far to much land already, why do you want more ??
- Irish disputes:
Nov 05th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Belfast Agreement 1998, Signed by both partys.
- Cyprus:
Is not even a dispute, the nation has never formally asked us to leave. The only mention of it was a president two years ago who never even tried to do anything about it.
“Border checkpoint near Strovilia”
Really think, a boarder checkpoint? lmao. WE STOLE THERE FENCE! It's a UN border anyway.
So i'll update my list.
Spain. - Gibraltar.
Argentina. - Falklands.
Mauritius / Seychelles - Chagos Archipelago.
Yeah Marcos, massive list.
Please zeethe, also add Greece to the line and the stolen antiques britain has in british museum that hardworkers greeks are claiming.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0A thief is a thief, sometimes stealing land and sometimes stealing a partenon.
A thief is a thief, sometimes stealing land and sometimes stealing a partenon
Nov 05th, 2010 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0And babies
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3585031.stm
Lord Elgin bought the marbles at the Parthenon in part to prevent their destruction. A large part of the historical treasures had already been destroyed by the Turks who burnt the statues and friezes to make lime. Had Lord Elgin not intervened they probably wouldn't exist.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0He could also have made a large profit by breaking up the collection, instead he sold it in its entirety to the British Museum for less than it cost to transport them to the UK.
Let me guess at Margot's enthusiasm for mentioning it, he read something on the net and thought I can slag off the British with that. Never for one second did it occur to find out more first.
A thief is indeed a thief, which is why they won't be allowing Argentina to steal any more land. The sheer chutzpah of calling people a thief sitting in a land ripped from its native peoples probably passed you by.
“stolen antiques”
Nov 05th, 2010 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Feel free to continue changing the subject when you are proven wrong.
Spain seems like a civilised country and clearly has a legitimate historical claim on that particular territory (though it's a bit hypocritical whilst Spain clings on to Ceuta and Melilla) Gibraltar is no longer an important strategic asset to Britain and Spain is now a grown-up ally, so I'd be inclined to hand over sovereignty. However, I'm not Gibraltarian. I don't suppose the lives of the people living on Gibraltar would be greatly affected either way.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0By contrast, this is very unlike the situation in the South Atlantic, where Argentina's historical claim is laughable and where the islanders', who have no wish to be ruled by a country more than 300 miles away. A country which, in living memory, invaded their homes, causing the deaths of thousands of people. If Argentina ever had its way the Falkland Islanders lives, and the lives of their children would be very badly affected indeed.
”She was speaking in the Madrid senate ahead of a planned political meeting of the Tripartite Forum (UK, Spain, Gibraltar)”
Nov 05th, 2010 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you spot the difference from the way you RGs approach the Falklands issue?
Alexei, trouble is there is a long history of Spain interfering with Gibraltarian affairs and a long history of confrontation and obstruction. As a result the Gibraltarians have twice rejected any transfer of sovereignty to Spain. At the end of the day, as conferred by the UNDHR they have the right to self-determination and to decide their future for themselves.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You might like to look at the history as well, Gibraltar was captured by the Spanish from the Moors about 150 yrs before the British and Dutch captured Gibraltar during the War of the Spanish Succession. It has actually been a British posession far longer than it was ever Spanish. Just one of those ironies of history.
In addition to Ceuta and Melilla, you can add Olivenza, a Portuguese town seized by Spain, promised to return by treaty and still held by Spain. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the Spanish claims
“I don't suppose the lives of the people living on Gibraltar would be greatly affected either way.”
Nov 05th, 2010 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's up to the people living there, and they don't want to be spanish.
Alexei, go back to the nuthouse where you belong
Nov 05th, 2010 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Nov 05th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that your best response to Alexei's succinct Gibralter/Falklands comparison then Argie?
Good one.
12 JustinKuntz “Lord Elgin bought the marbles at the Parthenon in part to prevent their destruction”
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English always are so kind. Why not return it then?
“Let me guess , he read something on the net and thought I can slag off the British” I saw it in London museum and everybody knows about that controversy.
A thief is indeed a thief
You should learn from your European Neighbors
“The return of the monument,” Michael said, “is not only a source of pride for Ethiopia, but also for the entire world, because there still are monuments throughout the world which are far from their owners.”
http://www.afrik-news.com/article13672.html
Nothing new, Timerman confirms rare Argentina-Bolivia border incident.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/50318
“A thief is indeed a thief”
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Margot, do you intend to piss off back to wherever your ancestors hail from and give the land back to the native peoples.
Hypocrite.
”the defence of Spanish national interests, which are above situations and people”.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds distinctly like the very definition of fascism.
Is it not true that the moors have more of a claim on Spain, than Spain has on Gibraltar, now wouldn’t that be interesting if they claimed it back, I wonder what the Spanish would say abt that. [just a thought]
Nov 05th, 2010 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rockall.....
Nov 06th, 2010 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good grief, Think.
A new definition of 'scraping the barrel'.
When the Danes petition the UN for the return of Rockall and persuade the rest of Europe to blockade the UK to achieve it, then you can have the Falklands.
The Rock was ceded in perpetuity by Spain to Britain ..... perpetuity means just that! But then again, Spain (and its descendents) have often been sore losers :-)
Nov 06th, 2010 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the 'territorial disputes', well most countries have one or two. So many in fact, that it's rather normal to have such a dispute. Can't see much change happening to the British Overseas Territories, anymore than I can see the USA giving up its disputed territory, or France, or Holland .... or Russia, or China.
So nothing is likely to change :-))
@ 10.bully hays. yes indeed, a thief is always a thief. are you going to give back the land that you stole from Paraguay? and the land that you stole from the native peoples of Argentina? No? and of course you would like to steal more land from Chile, Britain & the Falklands. perhaps you would like to help yourself to some Brazilian territory? no, of course not, they are too powerful for you. what about Bolivia? they were Spanish once, by your logic you must have“inherited”Bolivia from Spain, no? go on take a piece of Bolivia. its“rightfully yours” l think that we will have no peace until Argentina is broken up into many smaller countries
Nov 06th, 2010 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Isolde #27 said “ l think that we will have no peace until Argentina is broken up into many smaller countries.”
Nov 06th, 2010 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some provinces of Argentina don't want to be part of this so called Republic of Argentina anymore, because this is not a Republic. This was once a Republic, but not anymore.
Fortunately, the dismembering of my country is just a matter of time.
27 lsolde.
Nov 06th, 2010 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the funny thing about argentina, complaining about thieves while living on stolen land. At the same time trying to claim more land.
There was a study done in argentina from university graduates showed that 80% of EDUCATED argentinians believed that since the nations start, they have lost territory. When in fact it's the polar opposite.
Dumb nation is dumb.
spain is jumping the gun here, she has yet to start cut backs on her own country, most of the rest have been there, or going there, It will soon happen to spain , perhaps she thinks the RN cannot send ships to spain.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0she may yet be in for a big surprise
United Kingdom is sheathing the gunhere. Perhaps thinks that Spain is still struggling with galleons and musketeers.
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he may yet be in for a big surprise.
“he may yet be in for a big surprise.”
Nov 07th, 2010 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doubt it. Hardly a “surprise” When we use the same aircraft.
Our friends have bigger sticks!
With all this talk of theft, when will the Argentine state be returning all the land it stole from the Mapuche, Kolla, Wichí, Toba, Guaraní, Tehuelche, Selk'nam, Haush, Yámana, Kawéskar, Chonos etc, etc?
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